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[873.74 --> 874.46] Like, is that a Keebler?
[874.56 --> 874.88] Oh, wait.
[874.96 --> 875.24] No, Keebler.
[875.26 --> 875.80] Is it like a brand?
[875.80 --> 876.92] No, I think Keebler's a brand.
[877.08 --> 877.70] Yeah, it's a brand.
[878.06 --> 880.28] He also reminds me of the guy from Rice Krispies.
[881.16 --> 881.52] Okay.
[881.70 --> 882.62] Snap, crackle, and pop.
[882.68 --> 884.14] There's three guys from Rice Krispies.
[884.66 --> 886.62] It's like he's the old version of those guys.
[887.02 --> 887.34] Okay.
[888.72 --> 889.32] Oh, boy.
[889.40 --> 891.36] I feel like we've gone off the rails a little bit here.
[891.42 --> 892.22] Do you want to send me the...
[892.22 --> 893.84] Or, actually, do you have the results in the straw poll up?
[894.28 --> 894.64] Yeah.
[894.64 --> 896.58] All right, let's get that straw poll going here.
[898.62 --> 899.02] Results.
[900.88 --> 901.32] Wow.
[901.60 --> 904.28] That's actually quite a bit of confidence, in my opinion.
[904.78 --> 907.22] Walmart PC, complete failure.
[907.68 --> 911.52] We are almost exactly evenly split on this.
[911.58 --> 912.92] I can't even believe that.
[912.92 --> 917.38] The community is never so evenly divided on an issue.
[918.12 --> 920.42] 51% of you are saying yes.
[921.20 --> 922.82] Walmart PC, complete failure.
[923.08 --> 924.52] 49% saying no.
[924.64 --> 925.04] Okay.
[925.26 --> 927.34] Let's get back to that for a minute.
[927.50 --> 929.06] So, I want to know what you think.
[929.32 --> 930.10] I don't think it will be.
[931.32 --> 931.68] Why?
[932.70 --> 938.48] Hardware, a long time ago, if you bought a bunch of cheap stuff, you were probably going to be screwed.
[938.72 --> 941.38] Hardware today is actually generally quite stable.
[941.74 --> 942.06] Okay.
[942.06 --> 948.54] And I think relies a little bit more on fewer components, if that makes sense.
[948.74 --> 952.10] So, I think they'll be able to get by cheaping out on a few different things.
[952.74 --> 953.08] Okay.
[953.44 --> 953.90] All right.
[954.38 --> 955.02] What do you think?
[955.02 --> 956.02] Based on that?
[956.02 --> 959.72] Based on that their pricing makes sense.
[959.90 --> 960.18] Yeah.
[960.18 --> 963.10] And that the configs make sense.
[963.10 --> 963.32] Yeah.
[963.32 --> 964.70] The fact that they went with the 8700.
[964.70 --> 965.18] Well, yeah.
[965.44 --> 967.10] If that was different.
[967.18 --> 968.26] I also read that.
[968.36 --> 970.34] If that was different, I would have maybe had less confidence.
[971.02 --> 974.66] I probably wouldn't have put 32 gigs in the DTW2.
[975.08 --> 977.70] That's the one thing that I might have changed here.
[977.80 --> 979.36] Because you can always upgrade RAM.
[979.46 --> 980.90] You can never ungrade RAM.
[981.26 --> 982.96] Walmart's probably going to assume that you're not going to.
[983.08 --> 984.34] If you're buying a computer from Walmart.
[985.84 --> 986.64] That's fair.
[986.92 --> 991.28] And six cores, 12 threads, 32 gigs of RAM.
[991.28 --> 993.46] I think 32 gigs on that system is probably fair.
[993.52 --> 995.38] Using it as both a gaming rig and a budget works.
[995.44 --> 995.76] Okay.
[995.96 --> 996.28] All right.
[996.32 --> 996.58] All right.
[996.60 --> 996.84] All right.
[996.86 --> 997.26] I'm sold.
[997.34 --> 997.66] I'm sold.
[997.66 --> 1001.16] So based on the fact that they've clearly done some research here.
[1001.16 --> 1003.84] I'm actually in the not fail camp as well.
[1004.20 --> 1007.18] So we are going to see who ends up being right about that.
[1007.18 --> 1007.46] It's going to be interesting.
[1007.74 --> 1007.84] Yeah.
[1007.86 --> 1011.06] I don't necessarily think it's going to be like a home run or anything.
[1011.32 --> 1013.02] But I don't think it's going to be a complete failure.
[1013.34 --> 1017.16] In other news, Apple quietly adds Radeon Vega GPU option.
[1017.94 --> 1020.14] A Vega GPU option to their MacBook Pro.
[1020.78 --> 1023.20] And we've got a link to Ars Technica here.
[1023.28 --> 1024.86] So I guess we're going to go ahead with that.
[1024.86 --> 1028.42] But it also might have been nice to just have a link to Apple.com.
[1029.64 --> 1035.24] And Thunderbolt 3 Quick Max can make use of a new Blackmagic eGPU Pro.
[1036.18 --> 1038.98] I actually don't know what would make it an eGPU Pro.
[1040.48 --> 1045.96] So Apple claims the new GPUs will provide up to, what, 60% better graphical performance.
[1046.08 --> 1046.86] Yeah, that makes sense.
[1046.86 --> 1069.42] But that's probably a very strong up to because from our experience with the MacBook Pro, unless they are making some significant changes to the cooling system, which I sincerely doubt that they did, it is running within a hair's breadth of its total limit for how fast it can go before it experiences catastrophic thermal throttling.
[1069.42 --> 1079.40] So, like, if you're running both the CPU and the GPU hard at the same time, I just have a really hard time imagining how they aren't both going to end up throttling.
[1079.54 --> 1079.66] Yeah.
[1079.66 --> 1090.98] But in a best case scenario, like, for example, if you were gaming and the game you were playing only used a couple of CPU threads, I could see this being a very significant performance upgrade.
[1090.98 --> 1098.94] Blackmagic also has their new eGPU Pro, which will have a Radeon RX Vega 56 graphics processor.
[1101.08 --> 1101.76] Oh, okay.
[1101.88 --> 1104.10] It's just, like, a pre-done external GPU.
[1104.30 --> 1104.60] Oh, okay.
[1104.64 --> 1110.30] Yeah, I wasn't that familiar with Blackmagic's thing because I couldn't really figure out any reason that anyone would buy it.
[1110.68 --> 1116.34] Because you could just buy any eGPU because Thunderbolt 3 is a standard and you could just plug it in.
[1116.40 --> 1119.58] That is to say, as long as it has a new enough Thunderbolt 3 chipset.
[1119.58 --> 1124.02] So, I don't think Alpine Ridge worked, but then Titan Ridge should be fine.
[1124.24 --> 1125.40] Don't quote me on that, though.
[1125.44 --> 1129.66] I can't keep track of, like, the code names for the different Thunderbolt 3 chipsets in this live show.
[1129.72 --> 1130.60] I don't have time to look things up.
[1131.60 --> 1132.04] All right.
[1135.64 --> 1136.04] Huh.

[873.74 --> 874.46] Like, is that a Keebler?

[874.56 --> 874.88] Oh, wait.

[874.96 --> 875.24] No, Keebler.

[875.26 --> 875.80] Is it like a brand?

[875.80 --> 876.92] No, I think Keebler's a brand.

[877.08 --> 877.70] Yeah, it's a brand.

[878.06 --> 880.28] He also reminds me of the guy from Rice Krispies.

[881.16 --> 881.52] Okay.

[881.70 --> 882.62] Snap, crackle, and pop.

[882.68 --> 884.14] There's three guys from Rice Krispies.

[884.66 --> 886.62] It's like he's the old version of those guys.

[887.02 --> 887.34] Okay.

[888.72 --> 889.32] Oh, boy.

[889.40 --> 891.36] I feel like we've gone off the rails a little bit here.

[891.42 --> 892.22] Do you want to send me the...

[892.22 --> 893.84] Or, actually, do you have the results in the straw poll up?

[894.28 --> 894.64] Yeah.

[894.64 --> 896.58] All right, let's get that straw poll going here.

[898.62 --> 899.02] Results.

[900.88 --> 901.32] Wow.

[901.60 --> 904.28] That's actually quite a bit of confidence, in my opinion.

[904.78 --> 907.22] Walmart PC, complete failure.

[907.68 --> 911.52] We are almost exactly evenly split on this.

[911.58 --> 912.92] I can't even believe that.

[912.92 --> 917.38] The community is never so evenly divided on an issue.

[918.12 --> 920.42] 51% of you are saying yes.

[921.20 --> 922.82] Walmart PC, complete failure.

[923.08 --> 924.52] 49% saying no.

[924.64 --> 925.04] Okay.

[925.26 --> 927.34] Let's get back to that for a minute.

[927.50 --> 929.06] So, I want to know what you think.

[929.32 --> 930.10] I don't think it will be.

[931.32 --> 931.68] Why?

[932.70 --> 938.48] Hardware, a long time ago, if you bought a bunch of cheap stuff, you were probably going to be screwed.

[938.72 --> 941.38] Hardware today is actually generally quite stable.

[941.74 --> 942.06] Okay.

[942.06 --> 948.54] And I think relies a little bit more on fewer components, if that makes sense.

[948.74 --> 952.10] So, I think they'll be able to get by cheaping out on a few different things.

[952.74 --> 953.08] Okay.

[953.44 --> 953.90] All right.

[954.38 --> 955.02] What do you think?

[955.02 --> 956.02] Based on that?

[956.02 --> 959.72] Based on that their pricing makes sense.

[959.90 --> 960.18] Yeah.

[960.18 --> 963.10] And that the configs make sense.

[963.10 --> 963.32] Yeah.

[963.32 --> 964.70] The fact that they went with the 8700.

[964.70 --> 965.18] Well, yeah.

[965.44 --> 967.10] If that was different.

[967.18 --> 968.26] I also read that.

[968.36 --> 970.34] If that was different, I would have maybe had less confidence.

[971.02 --> 974.66] I probably wouldn't have put 32 gigs in the DTW2.

[975.08 --> 977.70] That's the one thing that I might have changed here.

[977.80 --> 979.36] Because you can always upgrade RAM.

[979.46 --> 980.90] You can never ungrade RAM.

[981.26 --> 982.96] Walmart's probably going to assume that you're not going to.

[983.08 --> 984.34] If you're buying a computer from Walmart.

[985.84 --> 986.64] That's fair.

[986.92 --> 991.28] And six cores, 12 threads, 32 gigs of RAM.

[991.28 --> 993.46] I think 32 gigs on that system is probably fair.

[993.52 --> 995.38] Using it as both a gaming rig and a budget works.

[995.44 --> 995.76] Okay.

[995.96 --> 996.28] All right.

[996.32 --> 996.58] All right.

[996.60 --> 996.84] All right.

[996.86 --> 997.26] I'm sold.

[997.34 --> 997.66] I'm sold.

[997.66 --> 1001.16] So based on the fact that they've clearly done some research here.

[1001.16 --> 1003.84] I'm actually in the not fail camp as well.

[1004.20 --> 1007.18] So we are going to see who ends up being right about that.

[1007.18 --> 1007.46] It's going to be interesting.

[1007.74 --> 1007.84] Yeah.

[1007.86 --> 1011.06] I don't necessarily think it's going to be like a home run or anything.

[1011.32 --> 1013.02] But I don't think it's going to be a complete failure.

[1013.34 --> 1017.16] In other news, Apple quietly adds Radeon Vega GPU option.

[1017.94 --> 1020.14] A Vega GPU option to their MacBook Pro.

[1020.78 --> 1023.20] And we've got a link to Ars Technica here.

[1023.28 --> 1024.86] So I guess we're going to go ahead with that.

[1024.86 --> 1028.42] But it also might have been nice to just have a link to Apple.com.

[1029.64 --> 1035.24] And Thunderbolt 3 Quick Max can make use of a new Blackmagic eGPU Pro.

[1036.18 --> 1038.98] I actually don't know what would make it an eGPU Pro.

[1040.48 --> 1045.96] So Apple claims the new GPUs will provide up to, what, 60% better graphical performance.

[1046.08 --> 1046.86] Yeah, that makes sense.

[1046.86 --> 1069.42] But that's probably a very strong up to because from our experience with the MacBook Pro, unless they are making some significant changes to the cooling system, which I sincerely doubt that they did, it is running within a hair's breadth of its total limit for how fast it can go before it experiences catastrophic thermal throttling.

[1069.42 --> 1079.40] So, like, if you're running both the CPU and the GPU hard at the same time, I just have a really hard time imagining how they aren't both going to end up throttling.

[1079.54 --> 1079.66] Yeah.

[1079.66 --> 1090.98] But in a best case scenario, like, for example, if you were gaming and the game you were playing only used a couple of CPU threads, I could see this being a very significant performance upgrade.

[1090.98 --> 1098.94] Blackmagic also has their new eGPU Pro, which will have a Radeon RX Vega 56 graphics processor.

[1101.08 --> 1101.76] Oh, okay.

[1101.88 --> 1104.10] It's just, like, a pre-done external GPU.

[1104.30 --> 1104.60] Oh, okay.

[1104.64 --> 1110.30] Yeah, I wasn't that familiar with Blackmagic's thing because I couldn't really figure out any reason that anyone would buy it.

[1110.68 --> 1116.34] Because you could just buy any eGPU because Thunderbolt 3 is a standard and you could just plug it in.

[1116.40 --> 1119.58] That is to say, as long as it has a new enough Thunderbolt 3 chipset.

[1119.58 --> 1124.02] So, I don't think Alpine Ridge worked, but then Titan Ridge should be fine.

[1124.24 --> 1125.40] Don't quote me on that, though.

[1125.44 --> 1129.66] I can't keep track of, like, the code names for the different Thunderbolt 3 chipsets in this live show.

[1129.72 --> 1130.60] I don't have time to look things up.

[1131.60 --> 1132.04] All right.

[1135.64 --> 1136.04] Huh.