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**Jerod Santo:** No, absolutely. Which is why we have a Dockerfile for that. We want people to be able to use it. |
**Jessica Kerr:** How do you test it? |
**Jerod Santo:** Mixed tests. |
**Jessica Kerr:** No, the Docker container. |
**Jerod Santo:** Um, somebody else does that. I don't know. \[laughter\] |
**Jessica Kerr:** Oh, okay. Well, you wait until you get a bug report on it. That's probably how. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, exactly. |
**Jessica Kerr:** That's okay. |
**Jerod Santo:** So you said in your circumstance you have the Heroku CLI, and it's inside the container... So are you basically running those commands from your terminal, inside the container? |
**Jessica Kerr:** Yeah. I have a principle - "No, I'm not installing that on my computer." |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Jessica Kerr:** I have Docker on my computer, and I will install that in a container, and that is it. \[laughs\] I mean, where that is specific to anyone's project. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. I like that principle. |
**Jessica Kerr:** You have one project that you're in-tune with... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. And the setup pre-dates the Docker container. |
**Jessica Kerr:** Yeah, and you're already there. When your laptop is stolen, you'll probably use the container for a while, because it'll be so much faster to get up and running. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, for sure. |
**Jessica Kerr:** But in the meantime, you have this symbiosis with that project. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's right. I'm holding on to the past. |
**Jessica Kerr:** IntelliJ also is really great if you use it every day for the same project... Because you get it set up, and you get it tweaked, and the endless updates don't seem endless to you, because they're only once every other time you open it, not every time. It's not really that often, it's just that when yo... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. It feels like it. |
**Jessica Kerr:** Yeah. So you get in that kind of synergy, and it's okay that your personal laptop, which is your Umwelt, your environment that you have set up, that is meaningful to you... |
**Jerod Santo:** It's an extension of my body at this point. |
**Jessica Kerr:** Yes, exactly. Exactly. And because this one project is what you care about, it's fine for you to customize the extension of your body to work with that project. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay, good. |
**Jessica Kerr:** But don't ask anyone else to do that, to work on your project. |
**Jerod Santo:** No, I wouldn't do that. |
**Jessica Kerr:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm actually asking you to convince me that my symbiosis isn't even worth it. I should ditch this and use Docker all the time. And some of these VS Code things are very interesting in that way, but I'm not sure if I'm right there yet. So what are some of other stuff, the advantages of having this VS Co... |
**Jessica Kerr:** The VS Code client on your host... |
**Jerod Santo:** The client, yes. Excuse me. |
**Jessica Kerr:** And the VS Code server and the Docker container - well, see, if it's only about you, then having your own computer set up is probably the best... Until you lose your computer, and then it sucks. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Jessica Kerr:** But if you want other people to be able to work at it, or pair with you, then isolating that into a defined environment -- because right now you don't know what all you have installed on your computer that is helping you right now. You don't know that until you lose your computer, which I have done li... |
**Jerod Santo:** I can tell you're speaking out of experience. Adam, have you ever lost a computer that was all customized and set up for you? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No, I haven't. |
**Jerod Santo:** We don't go out much... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I have a laptop -- it mobiles inside my own home. It doesn't mobile outside of it, you know what I mean? \[laughter\] It's not mobile in that sense. It's movable. |
**Jessica Kerr:** It's more cordless than mobile. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[36:03\] Yeah, exactly. |
**Jerod Santo:** A cordless computer, I like that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I like that analogy. Well, what I'm seeing here with this is that for us in particular, if we had like a DevWithMe kind of thing, Jerod, where this Docker container was used by you constantly and you know how to use it, it would be easy for us to on-ramp others, or just form relationships with them ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, I'm thinking about this specifically for that. One of my ideas for a YouTube series is called Code Review - just testing that term right there - where I'm joined by an expert in a system... Maybe it's somebody who works on Node; I don't know anything about Node's codebase, but it's open source, s... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Storytelling... |
**Jerod Santo:** And I'm the neophyte, so I don't know anything, but I know what some code looks like, so I can say "Where does it all start? Why is this doing that?" and they know the answers, presumably... |
**Jessica Kerr:** Yeah, but you have to draw those out of them, because what is obvious to them is not obvious to you. |
**Jerod Santo:** Exactly, so therein lies the rub. |
**Jessica Kerr:** That's that challenge of too much knowledge. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. So maybe it's a good idea, maybe it's a bad idea, but this VS Code setup sounds really awesome for recording video or remote pairing sessions, basically. |
**Jessica Kerr:** Not on my Surface Pro, but on this ThinkPad, yes. \[laughter\] |
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