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**Jon Calhoun:** I'm sometimes not even sure if the lawyers know for sure. |
**Carmen Andoh:** That's accurately stating the state of affairs in this day and age. |
**Mat Ryer:** What language is Go.dev written in? I caution you to be very careful here... |
**Steve Francia:** Elixir. |
**Carmen Andoh:** \[laughs\] Steve...! |
**Steve Francia:** What? Oh, are we not saying that? |
**Carmen Andoh:** Redact... Redact...! No... Troll. |
**Julie Qiu:** It's Ruby on Rails. |
**Carmen Andoh:** \[laughs\] I thought it was Haskell... It was Haskell, right?! \[laughter\] |
**Mat Ryer:** So what's the real answer? |
**Julie Qiu:** It's Go. |
**Mat Ryer:** It's Go! We'll play some celebratory music there. |
**Carmen Andoh:** Of course it's Go! |
**Jon Calhoun:** Can you talk about more of the technology? Is it an API, or are you using templates on the back-end? Can you talk a little bit about what you're using to build it all? |
**Julie Qiu:** Yeah, so the entire back-end is written in Go, and then the front-end is just all Go templates. The majority of it is HTML and CSS. I think for a really long time we had absolutely no JavaScript. And even now, it's pretty limited. |
Then the site itself is hosted on the Google Cloud Platform. The high-level architecture is we have a system that we call our data ingestion system, which essentially extracts data from the module mirror, and then transforms it, and then puts it into a Postgres database, which is hosted on Google Cloud SQL. Then the fr... |
**Mat Ryer:** Is it Google App Engine, or...? |
**Julie Qiu:** It is, yeah. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. I use App Engine all the time, I love it. |
**Julie Qiu:** It's very easy for deploying and scaling and all of that... So it's been kind of nice, especially given that we had a small engineering team working on it. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. And it will scale significantly as well, won't it? That's something that's nice, especially when you're not really into the operational side of things. You can sort of not worry about it, so yeah, I'm all over that... It sounds great to hear. |
**Break:** \[54:53\] |
**Mat Ryer:** So, actually we have a new regular part of our show, and it's gonna get its own jingle as well... It's Unpopular Opinion. |
**Jingle:** \[56:20\] |
**Mat Ryer:** So we're gonna ask "Do you have an unpopular opinion that you'd like to share?" Anyone? |
**Julie Qiu:** I can start... |
**Mat Ryer:** Please. |
**Julie Qiu:** This just comes to mind, because people on the Go team make fun of me for this a lot, but... My unpopular opinion is that the New York City buses are the best way to commute across Manhattan. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, that does sound controversial. |
**Carmen Andoh:** Better than cabs, better than subway. Take the busses. |
**Julie Qiu:** It's so great! |
**Mat Ryer:** Really? |
**Julie Qiu:** Yeah. It's basically an Uber Black car. It's like a giant car, it's come here, it's picked you up, it's got Wi-Fi, it's got views... |
**Carmen Andoh:** \[laughs\] We're waiting for New York City mass transit to disrupt... |
**Julie Qiu:** There are new seats on the M14 now... |
**Mat Ryer:** You're joking! |
**Carmen Andoh:** Nice. |
**Julie Qiu:** It's so great! |
**Mat Ryer:** That's a great one. Steve, do you have one? |
**Steve Francia:** My unpopular opinion is that I think Windows is the best operating system... And it was proven unpopular in preparing for this podcast. \[laughter\] |
**Jon Calhoun:** So for anybody who isn't familiar, when we do these episodes, every guest records their own audio, just so we have a little bit better quality... And I think Steve is our first guest with Windows -- or at least our first guest with Windows who made me help him set up the recording, so I didn't know how... |
**Mat Ryer:** Steve's the first modern-day programmer I've ever met that uses Windows, actually... So Steve, yes, that is an unpopular opinion. |
**Steve Francia:** I use the other operating systems, too. I'm not exclusive to Windows. But I really like Windows 10, I think they've done a really good job with it. I like Windows Subsystem for Linux, and I've got Bash in my Windows and I really feel very comfortable with it... I do develop on it, it's my primary dev... |
**Mat Ryer:** Minecraft... |
**Steve Francia:** I don't do Minecraft on it, but I might play the occasional game, and Windows is quite good at that, as well. |
**Mat Ryer:** What's that little game with the grid, where you find the bombs? |
**Steve Francia:** Oh, Minesweeper. |
**Mat Ryer:** Minesweeper. Let me do that again, and we can edit that in. Minesweeper... \[laughter\] |
**Steve Francia:** Oh, I like the way it was. I thought that was better. |
**Mat Ryer:** No, but Minecraft's on everything; I think Minesweeper is only on Windows. And I miss it. That's the thing I miss from Windows. |
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