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**Steve Francia:** Honestly, I don't even know if it still is on Windows. Let's find out. |
**Carmen Andoh:** 1997 is calling Mat, and it wants you back there. |
**Mat Ryer:** I liked XP... |
**Steve Francia:** No, it does not ship with Windows anymore, apparently... I just searched for Minesweeper and it did not... |
**Carmen Andoh:** It wants to party like it's in 1999. |
**Jon Calhoun:** Apparently, people weren't productive enough at work, so they had to get rid of it. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. I once dual booted my Mac so I could play the game of Minesweeper. |
**Carmen Andoh:** Wow... |
**Jon Calhoun:** You couldn't find one online somewhere? |
**Mat Ryer:** No, I didn't have the internet. \[laughter\] Yeah, XP was alright... But actually, I know that they've put a lot of effort into Windows recently, for developers and stuff. And of course, you can be successful with Go on Windows, can't you? |
**Steve Francia:** Yeah, Go honestly was the language that let me shift to Windows full-time... |
**Mat Ryer:** Said nobody ever? Steve, you're the only person in the world where that's happened... |
**Jon Calhoun:** He's not the only one. |
**Steve Francia:** I'm not the only one. |
**Mat Ryer:** Guaranteed. |
**Jon Calhoun:** I think Brian Ketelsen uses Windows every once in a while... |
**Carmen Andoh:** Yeah. |
**Mat Ryer:** No, but Go led you. Go was your gateway drug to Windows, you know what I mean? \[laughter\] |
**Steve Francia:** From my personal experience, other dynamic languages and other languages were a little more cumbersome. And I'm not a Windows, Visual C++ programmer, or .NET programmer. So using the more dynamic open source languages, I always found it was jumping through hoops, and you'd find edge cases that nobody... |
**Carmen Andoh:** You're like a walking advertisement for Windows. We'd better call them to sponsor... |
**Mat Ryer:** I can't believe you just said it just worked. That's the Apple slogan. \[laughter\] |
**Steve Francia:** That's the Apple slogan? |
**Mat Ryer:** It's the Apple slogan, yeah. |
**Steve Francia:** Well, they should live up to it more. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. \[laughs\] |
**Jon Calhoun:** So did you ever use Java before then? |
**Steve Francia:** I have spent my entire career avoiding Java. |
**Mat Ryer:** Congratulations. |
**Jon Calhoun:** Okay. I was gonna say, Java was one of the few languages where I didn't have much issue using different operating systems. |
**Steve Francia:** You had the same issue across all operating systems, you mean... |
**Jon Calhoun:** Exactly. \[laughter\] But that was part of the reason why I learned Java when I was in college, and it was kind of the language I stuck with then... But then later I learned Ruby, and that one would have been terrible. Because I tried it on Windows and I was just like "Nope. This is not working." |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, met too, actually. Ruby was the reason I got a Mac. I bought a Mac so I could do Ruby on Rails. Visual Studio though, I have to say, was - and I think still is - very good for if you're doing C\# or any of the .NET flavors of things. Visual Studio was just amazing, really... And of course, VS Code, ... |
**Jon Calhoun:** Okay, so we have a little bit of time left... Do you guys wanna talk about the last aspect of Go.dev - the learning side? |
**Steve Francia:** I was hoping we'd get to it, because that's Carmen's show. |
**Carmen Andoh:** Is it my show? |
**Steve Francia:** Oh, yeah. |
**Carmen Andoh:** Alright... |
**Steve Francia:** And it's also kind of your show. |
**Carmen Andoh:** It's also kind of my show. I am both a guest and a host today. Pretty weird. Learn.go.dev - yes, it is what I would call the part of go.dev that I am really excited about, and is ripe for the most community collaboration, contribution and ownership. Some of the original feedback when it first came out... |
The one thing that we're finding when we're doing -- I did a lot of research and put a lot of work into wondering "Okay, how can we make this useful?" is finding who are the people that we're forgetting about... What we've found there was 1) zero coding experience. We're not even starting with Go as a second or third l... |
**Steve Francia:** That's a huge number, 70,000 people. |
**Carmen Andoh:** It really is. I'll share more later, but yeah... I get weekly reports on that. And there's four modules for free; the whole course is eight modules. You can go to codeacademy.com. |
The other gap that was missing was people working in companies that they just -- for whatever reason, they didn't want... The tour of Go wasn't working for them, or other self-learning sites - Jon, Gophercises - and also other things... They wanted to be handed the problem that they wanted to solve. Like, "How do I do ... |
Because what we found was there was two different psychological mindsets for adopters. If you've heard of Crossing the Chasm book - there's early majority/early adopters, late majority/late adopters, and there's a different psychology with each one of those. And the psychology that we're finding with Crossing the Chasm... |
So that's what the idea behind the curated learning journey is, based on these very specific "I have things that I wanna do." So plans in 2020 are to continue to partner with more of the community to help find more gaps for those people for whom all the existing things aren't working. We wanna keep it free, and we wann... |
But the last thing is - and this touched on the events that we talked about earlier - the best outcomes happen when you learn together in-person, in a group. That's really hard to do, but we're hoping to leverage maybe meetups or online meetups. In-person doesn't mean that I'm right next to you, it's also leveraging to... |
So I've asked a lot of opinions... Jon has a learning site, and I actually wrote to Jon; I didn't know that I was doing it in that capacity, because we hadn't make Go.dev public at the time... But I just wanna ask people's feedback; I've tried to ask a lot of different people's feedback for various things, and I'm gonn... |
**Jon Calhoun:** Can I just add...? I know one of the things, at least from my perspective, that got me excited about seeing that site is that one of the things that's at least hard for me is to reach people who have limited accessibility. Let's say they speak another language, English isn't their first language, or th... |
**Carmen Andoh:** That internationalization is in our future, and it's also been the thing that I've seen at some of the bigger conferences. We have people like Friends of Go, a company based in Spain, that wrote back and said "Hey, we have this training for Spanish speakers", and we also have some trainers in a variet... |
So if you wanna go fast, go alone; if you wanna go far, go together... So the name of the game for learn.go.dev is really seeking the feedback that we need to seek, and making sure that we get both representation, as well as quality. |
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