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• Introduction and meeting of hosts Jerod Santo, Adam Stacoviak, and Gerhard Lazu |
• Discussion of the show's concept and title "Ship It" |
• Explanation of what "shipping" means in the context of software development |
• Background story on how Gerhard Lazu started helping Changelog.com with infrastructure issues and evolved into an annual infrastructure show |
• Story about the process of shipping improvements to infrastructure, including testing, feedback, and partner relationships |
• Discussion of the idea for a podcast where teams can share their experiences and learn from each other's "shipping" processes |
• Invitation for listeners to join the conversation and participate in the show |
• Discussion of podcast format and potential topics |
• Gerhard's goal for 10,000 episodes and joking about system breakdown |
• Importance of community and people element in software development |
• Potential topics for discussion, including observability, Kubernetes, continuous delivery, and agile methodology |
• Upcoming episodes with guest experts, such as Ben Ford from Commando Development |
• Aspirations for the podcast to be a place where developers can discuss all aspects of delivering quality software, not just technical details |
• Discussion of software infrastructure and reliability |
• Introducing Gerhard Lazu, a world-class SRE, and his expertise on shipping |
• Gerhard's background in broadcasting and early interest in tech |
• His journey from frontend developer to web hosting provider and interest in infrastructure tools like Ruby on Rails and NGINX |
• Development of Deliver, a tool for deploying websites, and its connection to Ship It podcast |
• Jerod Santo's recollection of interacting with Gerhard through Changelog Media years ago and his decision to email him about the podcast |
• Gerhard Lazu discusses his personal history and how it relates to Changelog |
• Gerhard's background and skills are mentioned, including his experience with various programming languages and technologies |
• The origins of Changelog are discussed, including its beginnings as a side project and its growth over the years |
• Jerod Santo and Adam Stacoviak share their own experiences working with Gerhard and the evolution of Changelog |
• The importance of commitment to one's work is emphasized by Adam and Gerhard |
• Plans for future episodes of Ship It are mentioned, including guests and topics that will be explored |
• The hosts mention a special guest who has been involved in conversations about the podcast. |
• They discuss the goal of creating meaningful and impactful topics for listeners. |
• The hosts explain their process for selecting episodes, including taking suggestions from listeners through changelog.com/request. |
• They highlight various ways listeners can get in touch with them, such as Slack, Twitter, or email. |
• Gerhard mentions that he welcomes passionate topics and conversations, even those that may be contentious. |
• Adam suggests a potential episode topic based on a discussion in the Slack channel about Kubernetes vs PaaS vs IaaS. |
• The hosts discuss the importance of context and nuance in discussions about technology, and how there is no one-size-fits-all solution. |
• They highlight the unique aspect of their podcast being that it is production-focused, with actual code going into the application they are discussing. |
• PromEx and live updating of Changelog.com in production |
• Latest version of Erlang and its impact on Changelog.com performance |
• Livestreaming the process on YouTube for Friday, 28th |
• Unique approach to testing infrastructure and showcasing technology |
**Jerod Santo:** So we're here to introduce Ship It. I'm here, my name is Jerod. Adam, you're here... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What's up?! |
**Jerod Santo:** Your name is Adam... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** My name is Adam. |
**Jerod Santo:** And Gerhard's here. And Gerhard, you have to be here, because this is your show. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Hey, everyone. And hey, Jerod and Adam. I've been looking forward to this for such a long time; I wanna say years. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but months is definitely accurate. I'm Gerhard Lazu, everybody, and I'm so thrilled to be here. It's been a long time coming. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It has been. I think you're accurate to say years... The anticipation has been years, but I think the practical feats stepping forward to produce this is more like months. Anytime you launch a new show, there's a lot of fun and excitement, and it's like "What's the show gonna be? Who's gonna listen ... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** It really does. It really does, because I think it's the embodiment of what we do every day, maybe in different forms. Some of us write code, some of us write documentation, or tweets, or books, or whatever it may be. Or even videos. In our case, right now, it's podcasts. And you have to ship whatever... |
**Jerod Santo:** So we've been shipping something like Ship It for the last few years, because you've been helping us ship Changelog.com into production for 4-5 years now... Give a little bit of a back-story on our relationship, how we came to do this annual infrastructure show where you're helping us ship Changelog to... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Give us the back-story. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah, I love that question, I love that beginning, because I see so many similarities... First of all, Jerod sent me an email and said "Hey, Gerhard, we have this app that we want to ship/deploy. Can you help us?" And I said "Hm... Jerod, shipping it is just like such a tiny part of it. There's like a... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** And that was a good conversation, so we started -- |
**Jerod Santo:** It was a long list of questions, you're definitely not exaggerating. I remember receiving the questions back and thinking "Do I really wanna answer all of these? \[laughs\] Or should I just figure it out myself." |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[03:49\] No, it is a test, because you're starting on a journey. Are you ready? Where about are you? And if you're serious about it, you will need to think about those things. And it's better to think about these things upfront and be honest. "I care about this, I don't care about that", so we know w... |
And then I think in year two or three we thought "Are we working with our partners as well as we could?" And then we started embracing our Linode relationship, our Fastly relationship... Who else was there, Adam? I think you were in the thick of it... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Rollbar was there... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Rollbar was there, that's right. I can't remember any other names... Anyway, there were a few names like this; GitHub maybe? No, CircleCI. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** CircleCI, yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah. And then we said "Well, how about we start using these partners that we promote, just to see how well they actually work for real? How well do they work for us? And if we had to depend on them, how would that look like?" And I think that led to a lot of things such as feedback. So we started giv... |
I still have very fond memories when we started using Linode Kubernetes Engine, the beta, when it opened up... And it just like opened a whole new chapter with Linode. And it was great. That was a great conversation, and many good conversations. So from there, we are here. We have shipped those improvements, we blogged... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's the beauty of it, too... That's why I say you aren't over-exaggerating by saying years, because I think I almost longed for that yearly/annual show we did, because that was a lot of fun, to talk about what we're doing and to explore the different options with for example Kubernetes, or when w... |
All these things have been fun to explore ourselves, so why not just produce a show around that? And one idea was "Let's just talk about ourselves", but that wasn't enough; talking about how other teams ship their applications... Like, how does GitHub ship GitHub, for example? How does Kubernetes ship Kubernetes? How d... |
So this show here, today, the very first episode on the feed, is the invitation to anyone out there, shippers, to join us on that adventure, to invest, to get involved, to listen, to encourage, to share, people we should talk to... All those fun things. Hop into Slack and be a part of the community, and just have fun f... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah, I don't think you can see a video. There's no video feed with this show, but we will have a screenshot which shows my mic, I have Ship It, and I have four zeroes. So I'm thinking we'll have 10,000 shows. That's my estimate. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[08:07\] There you go. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Once per week, you work out how many years of discussions like these we have ahead of us. I'm really excited about that. And to Adam's point, I really like the people element. The Cloud Native Foundation (CNCF) was amazing. The Linux Foundation, some of the conversations we've been having... KubeCons.... |
So while the past years were -- I wouldn't say one-directional, but we were mostly meeting less frequently, and mostly sharing stuff, but I don't think we were discussing as much as we could, and I don't think we were looking around, inviting others to join us and tell us their story. And this show, I hope, will change... |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, I hate to break it to you, Gerhard, but you've made a classic blunder... The old Y2K mistake. When you hit episode 10,001, your whole system is gonna break down, my friend. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's okay, I'm sure we will have something in place by then. \[laughter\] We'll improve it sufficiently that that won't matter. |
**Jerod Santo:** We'll have to hire some very expensive consultants to come in and help us fix this numbering system. |
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