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**Gerhard Lazu:** Oh, wow... There's actually an episode that we recorded about a similar joke; I think it's episode three or four... It's one of the first that will ship, so listen to that, about consultants and simple solutions to complex problems. It's a great one. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. For context, Gerhard has four zeroes on his microphone, so he's anticipating this is episode 0,000 in anticipation of 10,000 or more. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** How many weeks is that, by the way? |
**Jerod Santo:** 9,999... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** 10,000... That's 192 years. I think we're good... \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. Well, that's assuming the cadence... We could increase the cadence a bit. But yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, what if we go daily? |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Woooah... Okay, now you're totally crazy, Jerod... \[laughter\] It's too early for that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Hang on now, hang on now... |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright. Slow down. Well, you've put some work into this. We have some episodes that have been recorded, so this is your introduction episode. Everyone here is welcome. If you find this in your feed, welcome to Ship It. We are happy to have you along with us. There are some episodes also in the feed ju... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So the way I'm thinking about this... In the beginning I'm thinking of hitting some of the bigger topics... For example the topic of observability. We know that tends to be very contentious. The other one is Kubernetes. Why is it Kubernetes and why not a PaaS? I think that's a great question, and ther... |
I'm very passionate about continuous delivery, and one of the first episodes, one of the early episodes will be about that, about the concept of continuous delivery, with one of the people that actually made that term popular. I don't wanna spoil it; it's one of the two. And it's coming, I think, in episode five or six... |
\[12:07\] I'm very passionate also about the whole agile thing, how we work, how we communicate... And I can mention this because it's already recorded, already in the pipeline... There's an episode coming with Ben Ford from Commando Development. He actually is a former Royal Marine Commando. This is like your Navy SEA... |
So all these three things, if you think about them - for example, your CI/CD system. We use a CI/CD system because it helps us approach coding and shipping in a certain way - continuous integration, continuous delivery. So what are the equivalents for the relationships from a business perspective, the interactions from... |
You see, it goes so much more than just coding, because you don't do that in a vacuum. So what are the other things that need to happen, and what are the interactions that need to happen, the healthy ones - and the unhealthy ones, because they're important to talk about those as well - so that you feel good about your ... |
I think the CNCF is a great example of how to do it. I don't think we're trying to even compete with CNCF; we're trying to be inspired and create our own version of that magic that they were able to do. So I'm very excited about those things. |
**Jerod Santo:** It sounds good to me... What about you, Adam? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think a podcast is a great medium, obviously, but I think a podcast where it's a place where if you care about not just git push or shipping an application to production, but all the things in between there; if you're looking for something to fill that vacuum, then that's what we aspire for this s... |
But a lot of different horizontal and vertical ways to move around the landscape, but just the idea of putting something out there, a piece of technology out there - from the team, to the software itself, to keeping it stable, keeping it up, keeping it reliable... All those different things are so deeply available for ... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[16:13\] Yeah. Gerhard, take a couple of minutes and just tell everybody who the heck is this guy... Because we know you very well, our regular listeners, but many people are gonna be coming to Ship It - they may not even know what Changelog Media is, or Changelog.com, and they're like "Who's Gerhard ... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. I'm going to share something which I haven't shared before... I was born in Romania. That's Eastern Europe. And as I was growing up, my mother - she was a professional broadcaster. The Western part of Romania, she was part of the national TV and radio; it was a national thing, like BBC, the equi... |
I loved those buttons, I loved those monitors. And in a few years, I started recording things for fun. And she liked my voice. She said "Hey, do you wanna help me with my show?" This was 25 years ago, just to give you an idea. And it worked really well. She loved it. She was like "I wish you didn't have school. I wish ... |
Fast-forward maybe five years, and I was getting into tech. I started learning HTML from a book. I didn't have a computer. So I was writing HTML... This was HTML 4.1. It was like the bleeding edge, and CSS (whatever it was at the time) 0.9 maybe. I can't remember. And I was writing it in a notebook. And I was like "Whe... |
**Jerod Santo:** Nice. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Fast-forward five years and I was dabbling with PHP, I was looking at Zend... If you remember the Zend framework, that was the hot rave. I don't think Facebook existed at the time... PHP was not that popular. I think Perl -- there was this big debate whether "Is it gonna be PHP or Perl?" jQuery didn't... |
So I went from a frontend developer, if you wish, to a web hosting provider, because everybody needed to host a website; they didn't know how, so what is this thing Apache? That's how it started. |
Before I knew it, I dropped Apache. I was looking at NGINX, because that was the hotness at the time... And I found out about this thing Ruby on Rails. What is this Ruby? Are you telling me I can write this app ten times quicker? Okay, it's a Hello app, but so what? |
I had very big, thick books of PHP and MySQL at the time. I dropped them, and I said "No, Ruby is the thing." And I think I stuck with Ruby for maybe about ten years, give or take... And that love for infrastructure was always there. So even though I was like a frontend developer/backend developer/full-stack developer,... |
If you're paying attention, I was always very curious. I was always like "What is this next thing? What is this next thing? What is AJAX?" And that curiosity and learning on the job served me really, really well. So I always had this passion for infrastructure, always had this passion for assembling things, and one of ... |
\[20:03\] Oh, git. How do you think I'm @Gerhard on GitHub? I knew about GitHub before people knew about Git. That's how it started - always curious, always discovering. That's how I got Gerhard on GitHub. I'm very sad I didn't pay attention to Twitter. I thought it was just gonna be a fad at the time, so I took my tim... |
Coming back to Changelog, I wrote this tool in Bash for deploying Ruby websites. Not just Ruby websites - I was working at a tech startup; this was 2012, and we were using Capistrano and Chef and Puppet and a bunch of things... It was just a mess to deploy things, and I thought "No, this is madness. It can't be this co... |
**Jerod Santo:** So I think you had written something for Changelog years before, back when we were using a GitHub-based writing flow, where you could write into a repo and we give you feedback right there on a pull request, and then we would publish it from there. And you had written something about something, I thoug... |
So I had interacted with you very briefly via that, because you had written a piece for us, and then when I saw your name again, I said "I know that guy. He wrote something for us. And here he is again." The synapses fired and I thought "I bet he's better at this than I am, so I'm gonna just go ahead and email him." |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That was a great start and a great conversation. I still have fond memories of that. And things happened, right? I think we were a natural fit. And what I really enjoyed is that we were always honest about what we were trying to achieve. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I think we had that doggedness about "We will get this to work. It can't be that complicated. Come on now. I don't have to use Chef..." and there was like the Chef server or whatever it was... Can I do this easier? And Ansible was that easier thing at the time. I think that's where we started. It was ... |
I knew Linode, I knew DigitalOcean... At that point I will have been with all the hosting providers, because it was a thing which I enjoyed. I just wanted to see who has the best service out there at the time, at the best price, and how can I distribute these apps across the world so that if one fails, not everything w... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yes. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So we had fun, and we kept improving things, and in parallel -- now, you have to realize, this thing for me was happening for fun. In my free time. We began this in my free time. And that was like a job, right? Because I really enjoy coding, I really enjoy deploying, I really enjoy interacting with pe... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Nice. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That hasn't changed. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's right. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[23:53\] And I hope that's never gonna change. That's my hope and that's my wish. So while this thing was happening with Changelog, I was going through infrastructure stuff, I was going to Erlang, I was going to Go, I spent quite a bit of time with Go, I was an XP, I was a consultant for consultants.... |
The point is that if you wanna know more about me, guess what - there's Gerhard.io. Check it out. All my talks, all my videos, all my history is there, if you care about Gerhard the person. |
And I think the last thing which I'm going to share is that I never went to university, because I wanted to learn at my own pace the things that really interested me, and that worked so well that I just didn't have time. There were more important things. And I became, I think, pretty successful - and this is ignoring C... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think so, for sure. I love that you identify back to Changelog; that really makes me happy, that you have fond memories too, because obviously, I've been here for a long time... But the fun part for me has been the people involved with us; over the years it hasn't been static, it's been very dynam... |
**Jerod Santo:** There it is. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And that was the last update to the repository too, so that meant that whatever was published is the final version of it; there's been no other changes. So that's really interesting to me... I didn't know that's how we began, Jerod. I knew that you knew of some software he had written out there to d... |
And then two years later we deployed the CMS - I guess that's what we call it, a CMS; internally we describe it as a CMS, but it's a Phoenix/Elixir application. Your roots, Jerod, are in Ruby, so are mine, so even that's a tangent we could take potentially... But writing in Elixir. But you were very aware of how to dep... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
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