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**Adam Stacoviak:** That's part of the journey too with Gerhard, was figuring that out. Shipping it. How to ship it. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. And part of the fun of it was Gerhard is very thorough, text-oriented, curious... And I'm somewhat the opposite, in many ways, and so our relationship -- I just wanted to get the thing out there; I was kind of pragmatic, you know... So he had asked me all these questions, "Why? Why? Why?" and I ... |
So we just had that fun kind of back and forth from the very beginning, and learned a lot from each other. I've learned a lot from you over the years. I am gonna continue to learn a lot from you just by listening to Ship It, more so than I ever have, because our interactions have always been sporadic. We'd have like a ... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[28:20\] Thank you, Jerod. I really appreciate that. And I do know that the fact that we are the way we are, and we're honest about who we are, we make such a great team... And Adam is like this third element which completes us really well. So we're like a trio which works very, very well, I have to ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You know, the one thing I think is interesting from a listener perspective is that the thing you should hear is that we're super-committed to this show. I think when you pick up a podcast for the first time, you're like "I'm gonna listen to the first episode" or wherever you begin at; if this is you... |
It just sucks when you listen to a podcast and they fall off, or they fade, or whatever happens. There's nothing wrong with that, it happens, but we are super-committed to this show, super in love with the topic, and we obviously have kindred spirits with Gerhard, so... Great mix. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah. And some of the guests which we'll have on the show - we have been talking with them on and off for many years. So this really has been in the making for a long, long time now, and it's finally just coming all together now, but small threads have been ongoing for years. |
I was just telling Adam before we actually started -- well, we were chatting before you started recording, and we were saying that I had certain conversations in January 2020, which I didn't have time to continue. I didn't have the headspace, and I didn't have the medium to make that an interesting conversation. And no... |
So the person that knows who I'm talking about - I don't wanna give her name away just yet, because I think she's a very special guest, at least in my mind, and I would like you to discover that... But I'll mention it when we record. Because stuff like that - and that's just one example - has been going for a long time... |
**Jerod Santo:** Some honesty... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** ...the point is we do wanna make the best thing there is, and we are trying very hard to get amazing hosts, that fit the topics, and I was trying to explain what topics we're going to start with before diving in the weeds. We're trying to look for things that apply to everyone, but in a way that's fun... |
**Jerod Santo:** So a couple of touchpoints... Of course, we do like to hear directly from those who are listening to the show. So in terms of episodes you would like to hear on the pod, there's changelog.com/request. Request an episode; there's a dropdown there, you can select Ship It, and that goes right into our adm... |
\[32:00\] We also have the free community, which is changelog.com/community, totally free to sign up. There's a Slack, there's a Ship It channel in our Slack, a good place just to have watercooler conversations about -- it could be about the show, it could be about related topics on infrastructure, or whatever is on yo... |
We also are on Twitter, we have @changelog, we have @gerhardlazu if you wanna go directly at Gerhard there, we have @shipitfm... Adam, did we get that one locked in? I think we have @shipitfm. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's true. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay, we've got that... So those are all good touchpoints. And you can always just email directly to gerhard@changelog.com and have a conversation. I'm sure you will read all those emails, right Gerhard? |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I will. All of them. \[laughter\] And reply as soon as I can, promise. If you're not getting a reply, I'm just too busy with other things, but I will pick it up as soon as I possibly can. There's all these ways that people can contact us, there's all these shows to be produced, and all these conferenc... |
**Jerod Santo:** Lots of stuff. Anything else that's vital we haven't said yet about Ship It? Otherwise they can just hit next and go to the next podcast and hear the actual -- the show-show. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** If there's a topic that you're passionate about, something that you really wanna get off your chest, we're listening. And if others like it too, we should make a podcast out of it. If you know someone that would benefit from having that discussion. Maybe someone who needs convincing - even though I do... |
And yeah, I think we should do this again, not just like a one-off, but maybe a check-in every six months? I'm keen on those, too. The progression. What have learned, what is better? Almost like a retrospective for the show. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I think that would be a good idea. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think to give an example of what you're talking about there is some conversation in our Slack discussing the complexity of Kubernetes, the desire of a PaaS-like experience, or an - do you call it an IaaS? I don't know how you say infrastructure-as-a-service, like PaaS... But there's a discssion on... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** The truth is that everything is very contextual, it changes all the time... There's no best practices really anymore. It's something that we tell ourselves to feel good about what we do. But to be honest, most of us just wing it. So then what makes sense? Listen to your instinct, listen to your experi... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[35:59\] Well, that's what I think is cool about this particular show with the internal focus in terms of we do have a production online application that we have been shipping, that we'll continue to be shipping, that we have no problem experimenting on and with, and so we don't have to speak in the g... |
So it's not just gonna be theoretical and general discussions and debates, it's gonna be actual results-oriented episodes, which is very cool. And maybe -- I don't know anybody else who's doing that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright... If I'm listening right now, I'm thinking "Alright, I'm skipping the rest of this. I'm hitting Next. I'm gonna check out that first episode." So maybe we should just call it. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I would like to say something else... |
**Jerod Santo:** Go ahead. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** It's okay to edit this out, this is not a problem, so we can stop here, but I have to say this, because I wanna see your faces... So to the point that you've made, we want to upgrade to Erlang 24 in production, on Friday evening. With Alex, this Friday. So we're preparing tomorrow, and contrary to the... |
And the fact that we can do this live with our own show, with our own infrastructure, with our own podcasts - I mean, we're literally putting our money where our mouth is... Is that how you say it? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes, your money where your mouth is. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** English is my third language, so excuse my English. Okay. So that's what we're going to do. Now, who else does that? I don't know. But I like to be part of it; bring your popcorn, by the way, or drink, or gin and tonic, whatever you're having, it's okay. Join us and see what happens. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, we will put a link in the show notes to that. It'll be Friday-- |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So it'll be on the 28th. |
**Jerod Santo:** Friday the 28th. We'll put a link in the show notes to the YouTube event. It'll be a YouTube stream, and we'll schedule it so that it's in there. So if you want to be a part of that... |
Unfortunately, I have bowling league that night, so -- I just made that up; I don't have a bowling league... But I'm afraid of what's gonna happen, so I probably won't -- |
**Gerhard Lazu:** You won't be paged, don't worry. |
**Jerod Santo:** Don't page me. \[laughter\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** We're all adults, it's okay. |
**Jerod Santo:** Page Adam. Page Adam. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Fun! Yeah, there you go... I mean, who else does crazy things like this? And we're just getting started, so... Stay tuned for that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Alright. Let's ship this. Click Next, listen to more episodes. We appreciate you listening. |
• Table tennis games between Gerhard Lazu and Tammer Saleh in 2016-2017 |
• Missed office culture due to remote work, including camaraderie and social interactions |
• Benefits of fully remote companies, such as attracting talent and promoting equality |
• Concerns about cultural divide between cities and countryside, and the potential for remote work to "flatten" this divide |
• Advantages and trade-offs of leaving a big city, including loss of good dinners and table tennis |
• Kubernetes, including its complexity, adoption rates, and original intentions for use by application developers |
• Common problems companies face when starting with Kubernetes, such as navigating YAML and understanding complex concepts like affinity rules |
• Companies need help with complex Kubernetes problems, not maintenance or on-call tasks |
• Harder Kubernetes problems include on-premise installations, custom code development for health checks, and integrating secure technologies like AWS Nitro Enclaves |
• Kubernetes has no single tool for managing clusters on bare metal like BOSH for Cloud Foundry |
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