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[38.28 --> 45.30] meetup group, which is how we met in 2019. Having started his career as a .NET developer back in 2002, |
[45.88 --> 51.76] Romano had his fair share of dev and ops challenges and he always enjoys seeing real business value |
[51.76 --> 58.74] delivered continuously in an automated way. In recent years, his perspectives broadened and now |
[58.74 --> 64.76] he sees DevOps challenges and wins across many companies. If you are curious about what good |
[64.76 --> 69.78] DevOps looks like and what are the real challenges, then Romano has some good insights for you. |
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[178.84 --> 199.62] So two years ago in 2019, I gave a talk about making your system observable. |
[200.36 --> 202.96] And that was DevOps Meet Albuteric. |
[203.50 --> 205.58] And I'll add a link in the show notes. |
[205.58 --> 209.32] And Romano was the organizer and he put up quite the events. |
[209.40 --> 210.58] I'd like you to thank you for that. |
[210.66 --> 211.76] It was a great experience. |
[212.14 --> 212.52] Welcome. |
[212.90 --> 217.68] And this year, my intention was to join DevOps Days Zurich, but timing wasn't right. |
[217.68 --> 219.38] So I couldn't make it work. |
[219.84 --> 222.00] But again, Romano was one of the organizers. |
[222.44 --> 224.60] And I'm wondering, how did the event go? |
[224.86 --> 227.04] Oh, it was absolutely great. |
[227.32 --> 230.62] So it was in the beginning of September when we had that event. |
[230.62 --> 236.02] It was also one of the first events which we could do in person. |
[236.60 --> 238.30] And that was amazing. |
[239.00 --> 249.38] The only thing was it was quite frustrating in the beginning to organize all of that because you need to look at the COVID numbers. |
[249.58 --> 253.92] You needed to create a concept for COVID. |
[254.34 --> 256.14] And that was quite stressful. |
[256.70 --> 260.26] But in the end, we could manage to do the event. |
[260.26 --> 263.12] We had a COVID security concept. |
[263.82 --> 267.42] Everybody needed to line up, needed to have the certificates. |
[268.40 --> 273.68] And it also worked with all of the people which were coming from around the world. |
[273.80 --> 278.42] We had people from the U.S. coming and also from Israel. |
[279.26 --> 281.30] And everything worked well. |
[281.50 --> 283.96] We had 250 people in there. |
[284.36 --> 286.64] And it was absolutely great. |
[286.64 --> 289.14] And this was a two-day event. |
[289.32 --> 292.98] So it wasn't just like one day, which makes things slightly more complicated, right? |
[293.32 --> 293.44] Yeah. |
[293.64 --> 293.90] Okay. |
[294.30 --> 295.56] How many talks did you have? |
[295.72 --> 297.70] I don't know the correct number. |
[298.02 --> 300.90] But what we have is always a keynote. |
[301.20 --> 303.42] Then we had a set of talks. |
[303.42 --> 305.88] I think it was three or four talks. |
[305.88 --> 310.24] And then in the afternoon, we had the Ignite talks. |
[310.56 --> 314.76] So that's the five-minute talks which we have. |
[315.18 --> 318.66] And then we usually have workshops and open spaces. |
[318.92 --> 321.64] And that's over the whole two days. |
[322.12 --> 326.86] So I would say roughly 20 talks altogether. |
[326.86 --> 328.76] And was it single track? |
[328.88 --> 330.12] Always single track, yeah. |
[330.28 --> 330.58] Okay. |
[330.70 --> 330.92] Okay. |
[330.92 --> 331.48] That's nice. |
[331.58 --> 331.98] That's nice. |
[332.04 --> 334.80] Because you just have to sit there and enjoy, right? |
[334.82 --> 338.10] Like you don't have to change rooms, meeting rooms. |
[338.52 --> 338.70] Yeah. |
[338.74 --> 338.96] Okay. |
[339.26 --> 340.36] Which was your favorite talk? |
[340.42 --> 340.90] Do you remember? |
[341.32 --> 342.12] I'm sure there were many. |
[342.30 --> 344.02] But any one talk that stood out? |
[344.02 --> 344.50] Yeah. |
[344.66 --> 348.74] I liked very much the talk about, what was it? |
[348.88 --> 351.94] Better, sooner, happier from Jonathan Smart. |
[352.48 --> 354.24] I liked that quite a lot. |
[354.36 --> 357.96] Because during the talk, he asked always questions. |
[358.32 --> 361.92] And one of the questions was, are you doing IT transformation? |
[362.44 --> 363.58] Please, hands up. |
[363.78 --> 366.24] And everybody was putting their hands up. |
[366.28 --> 367.62] And he said, don't. |
[368.84 --> 370.26] And that was absolutely amazing. |
[370.58 --> 372.74] And he continued with these questions. |
[372.74 --> 376.20] For example, are you using a scaled HL framework? |
[376.84 --> 377.28] Don't. |
[378.24 --> 379.28] And so on and so on. |
[379.58 --> 381.32] And that was quite good. |
[381.46 --> 388.02] Because he was going back to what really matters when you are doing an HL transformation. |
[388.54 --> 389.98] And that was cool stuff. |
[390.38 --> 392.96] Like, I want to ask you what that is. |
[393.26 --> 397.28] If you don't want to spoil that talk for you, you can skip maybe a few minutes. |
[397.68 --> 398.40] So what is it? |
[399.62 --> 400.60] Can you tell us? |
[400.92 --> 401.76] Yeah, sure, sure. |
[401.76 --> 405.68] The thing is, you really, really need to focus on the people. |
[405.68 --> 410.24] You don't need to focus only on doing the transformation. |
[410.42 --> 412.12] Because you want to do a transformation. |
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