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**Liz Rice:** Yeah, Duffie is great. We're so pleased that he's joined us at Isovalent. He's in L.A. at the moment, so he and Dan, our CEO, are our kind of on-site presence, and then most of the team are kind of involved more remotely. But yeah, we're super-excited to have Duffy; he's such a great -- he's got so much e... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. Do you get to pair with him, or just bounce ideas off? What does working with him look like? I know that you have live shows with him, I know about that... What happens outside of that? |
**Liz Rice:** Yeah, so we are eight hours different, so that makes it a little bit more difficult to collaborate than ideal, but... Yeah, we're definitely figuring out some of the ways that we want to tell stories, doing Echo, which is our livestream; that's a lot of fun to do together... Yeah, it's a delight to have h... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[16:05\] That sounds great.: Speaking about KubeCon - I know that you'll be remote, virtual... I've seen even your Twitter tagline change; I'm thinking of doing the same, but it's a great idea. "I'll be at KubeCon, but virtually. So I'll be there, but you won't see me, unless it's online." What are y... |
**Liz Rice:** Well, I'll be completely honest, I'm very much looking forward to the project updates announcements about new projects joining the CNCF. That's only in about an hour away from now, so... Keep your eye out for a project that we know and love becoming a CNCF project. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Hm... I'm looking forward to that. Okay. By the way, this goes life I think in about two weeks, so the announcements that you want to make, you can, because it's going to be post-KubeCon, so... If there's anything like that, it's fine. |
**Liz Rice:** In that case... \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Go on. |
**Liz Rice:** I'll trust you. It's only an hour away, anyway. It's not even secret, but we officially announced today that Cilium is becoming a CNCF incubation-level project, so... I'm excited about that... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yes...! |
**Liz Rice:** ...as a Cilium person, and I'm excited about that as a TOC person, because it means we've got networking finally on the landscape. We've got a couple of sandbox projects, but we didn't have anything that was really production-hardened filling that kind of C&I box on the landscape... So I feel like that's ... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That sounds amazing. Wow, okay... Right. I mean, you've just added another big reason why I wanna do certain things... But okay, okay. Let me not get ahead of myself. I always do that, I get too excited. I mean, this sounds great; I'm really looking forward to that, by the way. So for the people that ... |
**Liz Rice:** For me, I find that the interaction, even if it's chat, is what makes me feel connected to people. And also, if you're attending a talk and there are speakers, speakers love getting questions. It shows that you're paying attention. So don't be shy, type those questions in. Or if you are able to be there i... |
I think for us, in our timezone, most of the first social hallway track events are likely to be in the middle of the night, so maybe I'll be getting less of that this time, but... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yes, that's right. |
**Liz Rice:** And get into Slack... There'll be loads of people watching. Every time I go on Twitter and I see a photo of someone, I'm thinking "They're in L.A, and I'm kind of jealous." But I also know there are lots of us who aren't able to be there... So we're all in the same boat, and I'm sure we all chat to each o... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's right. Slack does help, I have to say. KubeCon EU, I know just in our timezones, that made some things easier... But it was still virtual, so we had to adapt to that. So having Slack helped. Happy hours, the impromptu, ad-hoc sessions, where a bunch of us would get together, whether it was four... |
I think the virtual office hours - that is a great idea. Conversations like these help, and more of this happening live would help for sure... But I think we're all trying to figure this out, and we don't expect it to be permanent. I mean, it's now -- I think this was an unfortunate situation, because from November I k... |
**Liz Rice:** \[20:05\] Yeah... Although I hope that we do keep some of this virtual element going, because I see there were a lot of people who, for financial reasons or commitment reasons - you know, there were many reasons beyond Covid why people can't necessarily make it to an event. So I think if we can maintain s... |
I was actually gonna say, the platform that they're using this time around seems quite good for... Certainly, when I did the virtual office hours yesterday - it works. You can have conversations with people. So yeah, we're getting there. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That is a very interesting perspective, and I do have to say, it makes a lot of sense, especially for, as you mentioned, people for which traveling is difficult; it is a considerable financial investment for many attendees, and it just opens up. We have so many more people joining this wonderful commu... |
**Liz Rice:** \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So as we are preparing to wrap up, I'm wondering if there is anything interesting happening for eBPF, or Cilium in the next six months that you would like to share. |
**Liz Rice:** Well, I guess we've started off with those weekly install fests so that's our kind of initial -- I mean, I think from a feature roadmap perspective there are some pretty interesting things coming down the pipeline, and in particular I think kernel service mesh... In general, I think the whole service mesh... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay... Well, I didn't need any more reasons, but I go them, to watch this even more closely and try it out myself, and try running it in production, just to see what's it like with some significant demands with traffic, to see how it holds up, to see what it shows us. I'm really excited about that, s... |
**Liz Rice:** And if you do have any questions or issues, the Cilium Slack community is super-helpful, so jump in there and let us know how you get on. We wanna hear. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's another great tip. Thank you, Liz. Thank you very much for making the time; it's been an absolute pleasure, thank you. |
**Liz Rice:** Thank you for having me. |
**Break:** \[22:32\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So out of everyone that I spoke to so far then, you're the first one that you're at KubeCon in person... So tell us what's it like for everyone that couldn't make it. |
**Dan Mangum:** Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, it is incredibly nice to be able to see folks that I haven't been able to see in a number of years... And also some folks that I'd never met in person before. So regardless of the whole situation with Covid and all, I definitely feel very privileged to be here, and ... |
In terms of comparing to previous KubeCons, I've actually been mostly to virtual KubeCons, just because we've been in this pandemic stage for so long. I did have the opportunity to go to KubeCon in San Diego in person, which obviously you remember, because we recorded a great podcast episode there... And it definitely ... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That sounds great. So how did you make it work, Jared? Because I know that you're remote, but you have the virtual office hours... How did you make those work? Did they help? How did that feel for you? |
**Dan Mangum:** Yeah, it's actually kind of interesting... I was just kind of thinking about it and reflecting a little bit while Dan was answering... I live in San Diego, so I'm actually fairly close, in proximity to where KubeCon is being held, in Los Angeles... But then my schedule ended up getting up booked up with... |
So the CNCF did a good job in organizing this and making all the virtual events possible, to kind of be inclusive and make sure that as a hybrid event people are getting opportunities to participate either in person, but also back at home, wherever that may be. |
So the virtual office hours that we'd ran yesterday was quite successful, with a lot of people joining in, a lot of questions being asked also... So the ability to connect with people virtually and not feel left out from the in-person event running on is working quite well, and everyone's still feeling, as far as I cou... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Were there any questions that really stood out to you? ...something really memorable, that made you think, or something really interesting that you weren't expecting? |
**Dan Mangum:** There were a lot of good questions yesterday. One of the things that I realized too is that while I'm presenting and questions are flooding in, it's really good to have multiple people there, to be able to support and answer questions and do that asynchronously in addition to the ones we answer on camer... |
So I was trying to focus on delivering the material, while everyone else was attacking all the questions. Dan, do you remember any specific ones that you were jumping on while I was presenting? |
**Jared Watts:** \[27:33\] Yeah, absolutely. Like you said, there were a lot of really great questions. The ones that really stuck out to me... And this is something that's kind of been a point of interest for folks throughout all of Crossplane's lifecycle - that's handling of sensitive data. So with Crossplane we have... |
**Dan Mangum:** There was also a question that really stuck out in my mind, and now it just popped back in... Somebody asked "I can just go into the GCP console and in the UI and create infrastructure. Why do I need Crossplane at all?" |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Ha-ha! That's a good one. |
**Dan Mangum:** So the thing that really stuck in my mind is 1) hey, we could probably improve our educational content, and messaging, and really make it more clear to people what the value is. So that's an improvement we can make on our side, there's no question about it. But you know, a big point of the project is th... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Here's an idea for you... Next time someone asks you this, I think you should introduce Dan as the CCOO, Chief ClickOps Officer... \[laughs\] And say "We created a role." That was such a good thing. So ClickOps is real, and we have just the right antidote for it, and he's called Dan Mangum. \[laughs\]... |
Okay, okay... This is actually something which I've been thinking about as well. I started using Crossplane to manage all my GKE clusters. It works great, I never wanna go back... And not even to the CLI, which is really weird, because CLI is great, but Crossplane is better from that perspective, so I really enjoy that... |
But I have another thing on my mind, because San Diego was mentioned a couple of times... And I had an amazing run around the San Diego marina... So I'm wondering then - was the run in L.A. better than your San Diego one? What can you tell us about it? |
**Dan Mangum:** So you're catching me at a good time... Right before this podcast I got back from the SigRun event we had this morning, where there was about 15 of us or so that ran through L.A. And I can say absolutely that running in L.A. is not as good as running in San Diego. There are a lot of stoplights... |
I had one run out to Dodger Stadium earlier this week, and that was pretty nice, but overall I would not recommend coming to Los Angeles as a destination spot for getting your runs in. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Right. So next KubeCon I'm thinking of a place where we can all enjoy running a lot more, right? Because that's the most important criteria for choosing the KubeCon location... \[laughter\] That's a good one. Do you run, Jared? I never asked, and I don't know. Do you run? |
**Jared Watts:** I'm more of a person who likes to do their exercise in combination with a goal, like a direct activity... So surfing and ice hockey are my big exercise things. I just had an ice hockey game last night, so I'm having a little bit of trouble waking up this morning and feeling a little sore, a little bang... |
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