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[2584.88 --> 2614.86] Thank you. |
[2614.88 --> 2644.86] Thank you. |
[2644.88 --> 2674.86] Thank you. |
[2674.88 --> 2679.78] And in that cozy talk, Andrew and Stephen did an amazing job. |
[2680.00 --> 2686.26] My concluding thought was that it made me reconsider the operating system that I want for changelog.com. |
[2686.26 --> 2695.34] And I do have to say that while I didn't get there, I'm really glad that we have this opportunity to talk with your amazing microphone, Andrew. |
[2695.34 --> 2699.40] Yeah, I have since upgraded since KubeCon EU. |
[2699.40 --> 2702.50] I used to, I think that was with my blue baby bottle. |
[2702.62 --> 2704.72] This one's the Sennheiser MKH 416. |
[2704.72 --> 2707.84] And it's just a, this one is made for like a voiceover. |
[2707.84 --> 2709.52] So yeah, I'm loving it. |
[2709.74 --> 2711.56] It's an amazing sound, I have to say. |
[2711.62 --> 2712.88] And there's also something natural there. |
[2712.88 --> 2713.52] So I really like it. |
[2713.52 --> 2713.66] So I really liked it. |
[2713.66 --> 2717.70] Like, you know, listening to that talk and seeing the visuals that Stephen produced were amazing. |
[2718.36 --> 2720.38] So that was, yeah, that was a great one. |
[2721.08 --> 2725.86] So since KubeCon EU, which is about five months now, what is new in the world of Cozy? |
[2726.02 --> 2736.24] So Cozy proper, as far as, you know, what it is in the GitHub org and, you know, outside of Talos, not much has looked like it has changed. |
[2736.48 --> 2743.94] But in Talos itself, we've been implementing a lot of the ideas and kind of using that as a proving grounds, if you will, for the idea. |
[2744.08 --> 2746.68] And it's actually working out phenomenally well. |
[2746.68 --> 2752.76] We have since rewritten our entire networking stack of Talos on top of the concepts of Cozy. |
[2753.58 --> 2755.70] And it's really, really cool. |
[2755.92 --> 2757.94] I mean, where do I even start? |
[2758.28 --> 2762.28] When you submit your configuration to Talos, the controllers just pick it up. |
[2762.68 --> 2764.24] They know when to set up bonding. |
[2764.46 --> 2769.20] They know when to, you know, the order in which you should set up the interfaces to get bonding going. |
[2770.20 --> 2775.72] Validation on whether or not the particular combination of options for an interface, say. |
[2775.72 --> 2777.42] It just won't work. |
[2777.66 --> 2779.38] You know, tons of validation around things. |
[2779.56 --> 2784.00] We've since launched a product called Koops Band, which we could probably get into more later. |
[2784.14 --> 2787.32] But it's basically a way to do automated wire guard. |
[2787.90 --> 2791.80] And in Talos, all you really do is just you set up two little configurations. |
[2792.22 --> 2794.60] You set them enabled, true, or something to that effect. |
[2795.16 --> 2800.16] And all of a sudden, all these nodes know how to reconfigure themselves reactively. |
[2800.16 --> 2803.86] And this is all really because of the ideas around Cozy. |
[2804.22 --> 2811.16] Otherwise, we're going to be stuck with SSH and going in and manually executing, you know, classic Unix utilities. |
[2811.52 --> 2816.12] And it just, sure, it would work, but it would not feel clean. |
[2816.46 --> 2817.82] It would feel very hacky. |
[2817.94 --> 2820.30] So I'm pretty proud of what the team has been doing. |
[2820.30 --> 2824.10] So first of all, when I looked at Talos, it looked really interesting. |
[2824.56 --> 2827.22] The getting started part, I struggled a little bit. |
[2827.60 --> 2831.60] And I know the Sudero came along and that made some things easier. |
[2832.12 --> 2836.54] Cozy was really interesting because the concepts, they were not like specific to an implementation, |
[2836.74 --> 2839.30] but they were like a standard that you were trying to build. |
[2839.42 --> 2840.82] And I really like that. |
[2841.08 --> 2846.62] I do have to say, since trying Sudero, the first time I think was 0.1 when I struggled. |
[2846.62 --> 2847.76] I haven't tried it since. |
[2847.84 --> 2848.76] I know it's 0.3. |
[2849.28 --> 2853.42] So even though I would love to start with this, how would I start? |
[2853.54 --> 2855.22] Like, where would I go with Talos? |
[2855.26 --> 2857.30] Which is like the first thing that I would do. |
[2857.58 --> 2858.54] What would you recommend? |
[2858.94 --> 2859.14] Yeah. |
[2859.24 --> 2865.98] So we have the ability to basically spin up Kubernetes clusters right there on your laptop, |
[2866.18 --> 2867.44] built into our CLI. |
[2867.80 --> 2869.98] I'd say that that's the easiest way. |
[2870.04 --> 2874.48] If you want to get a feel for what it's like to interact with an operating system that's API driven |
[2874.48 --> 2879.38] and has a CLI and doesn't have SSH and all these things, that is the easiest way. |
[2879.44 --> 2880.64] You just do a simple command. |
[2880.74 --> 2882.14] Talos CTL cluster create. |
[2882.42 --> 2888.32] The good news is that this kind of translates really well into, say, running it on bare metal. |
[2888.42 --> 2893.92] You could literally grab that configuration file, maybe modify the networking section a little bit, |
[2894.30 --> 2896.10] turn on a machine with an ISO file, |
[2896.10 --> 2902.78] and submit the configuration file that you had running from your mock environment, |
[2903.14 --> 2905.92] by the way, which runs in Docker or QMU. |
[2906.26 --> 2909.10] Those are probably the two easiest ways. |
[2909.40 --> 2912.30] One has a benefit of being more developer friendly. |
[2912.44 --> 2918.26] Let's say that you're developing an application and you want something to represent your testing |
[2918.26 --> 2919.68] or production environments closely. |
[2919.94 --> 2924.46] That's when Talos CTL cluster create is really nice because you could just spin up a Kubernetes cluster. |
[2924.46 --> 2931.10] You got one a minute or two later, and it matches at least API-wise everything that you're going to run in production. |
[2931.82 --> 2936.48] And then, you know, getting that to work in actual bare metal, that's another story. |
[2936.62 --> 2941.42] Typically, that just involves networking, and that's where 90% of all the problems happen. |
[2942.16 --> 2947.78] So at that point, it's really just crafting the networking section, as we just talked about. |
[2948.06 --> 2949.50] Cozy's going to roll those out for you. |
[2949.66 --> 2951.22] Well, Talos using Cozy. |
[2951.22 --> 2955.30] The easiest way to get started on bare metal, I would say, is using the ISO or the ISO. |
[2956.02 --> 2957.74] Some people call it different things. |
[2958.36 --> 2960.40] After that, you know, pixie booting. |
[2960.56 --> 2964.44] Pixie booting is a whole other level, and that's where we have our Sedaro product, |
[2964.66 --> 2969.26] which aims to streamline that whole process and really own it for you. |
[2969.26 --> 2972.70] But that's the natural progression that I would go towards. |
[2972.94 --> 2977.66] Of course, you have the cloud in there somewhere, and right after you, you know, that's where they diverge, |
[2977.72 --> 2980.86] right when you're talking about using the ISO or not. |
[2981.00 --> 2982.34] In the cloud, it's a little bit different. |
[2982.48 --> 2988.06] You have to have some image that's been uploaded, and all of our documentation goes through how to upload the image. |
[2988.06 --> 2992.80] In our releases, we have the assets already prepared for you. |
[2993.18 --> 3000.60] You follow the documentation to upload the image into your particular cloud, and all you do really is turn it on with the correct user data. |
[3000.60 --> 3009.62] So what I'm getting at really at the end of the day is it just really boils down to how do I get Talos just simply installed or like running somewhere, right? |
[3009.66 --> 3012.74] Whether that's a VM or containers or bare metal. |
[3013.26 --> 3015.94] And then it's just knowing the configuration file. |
[3016.16 --> 3019.34] In the same way that with Kubernetes, I know that I have Kubernetes. |
[3019.54 --> 3021.16] Do I really care where it's running? |
[3021.32 --> 3027.72] I know that I can describe my application and how it should run using declarative YAML. |
[3027.72 --> 3031.46] We're bringing that same experience into the operating system. |
[3031.66 --> 3039.60] So getting started, you know, it's really just grasping the idea that you just need to turn Talos on, however that may be and wherever that may be, |
[3039.68 --> 3044.38] and get comfortable with the configuration file and being able to submit and update the system. |
[3044.66 --> 3050.30] I can see where I've been going wrong because I usually start in the cloud and I usually start with pixie booting. |
[3050.56 --> 3053.16] And I think that is possibly the hardest way. |
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