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[3375.14 --> 3376.08] Do you hold it for the end?
[3376.94 --> 3378.16] The point is, no, no.
[3378.26 --> 3380.40] I mean, there's two rules and you only say one, right?
[3380.60 --> 3382.18] Like don't give out all the information.
[3382.62 --> 3383.06] That's it.
[3383.90 --> 3384.30] Okay.
[3385.78 --> 3386.74] Now I get it.
[3386.84 --> 3387.32] Now I get it.
[3389.02 --> 3396.02] So the idea being that you want the audience, I mean, that's basically what prompts the questions, right?
[3396.02 --> 3401.08] If you tell them half the story, I mean, there's so much more that you could tell them.
[3401.44 --> 3403.36] But what do they want to know?
[3403.44 --> 3406.62] And then they come to you asking about questions that you haven't thought about.
[3407.08 --> 3410.90] You haven't given like, it's more about telling user what's possible.
[3410.90 --> 3413.08] Getting users excited.
[3413.96 --> 3415.56] Making them imagine things.
[3415.56 --> 3418.82] And then see what they do with that.
[3418.82 --> 3420.82] I mean, was it exciting enough?
[3421.00 --> 3422.06] What are they thinking?
[3422.42 --> 3425.34] What do they wish you had told them that you haven't?
[3425.44 --> 3430.76] Because for time reasons, for the conversation reasons, as you mentioned, it's about the discussions.
[3430.76 --> 3437.26] And the way you generate discussions is by making it interesting and short and letting them decide, well, what shall we do next?
[3437.70 --> 3439.02] It doesn't always work like that.
[3439.08 --> 3440.58] Obviously, you have to know your audience.
[3441.12 --> 3442.74] But I think that's what happened here.
[3442.74 --> 3444.76] So it was very compressed, was very condensed.
[3445.22 --> 3446.36] Many concepts were introduced.
[3446.64 --> 3447.76] And that's what it was meant to be.
[3447.88 --> 3450.38] You know, I'll give you a taste from many different things.
[3450.38 --> 3452.72] And then you tell me what you would like to know more.
[3453.36 --> 3461.10] I'm wondering if, had you maybe spent more time in Slack, you could have continued some of those conversations there.
[3461.36 --> 3461.88] I don't know.
[3461.88 --> 3467.86] But what I do know is that another talk which I attended, that was Liz Rice's talk on eBPF.
[3468.06 --> 3469.92] In the talk, the Q&A didn't work.
[3470.18 --> 3472.26] Like, we could ask questions, but she couldn't answer.
[3472.66 --> 3474.62] And then we moved into Slack.
[3474.74 --> 3477.54] And then we had a good conversation, like, between the different people there.
[3477.70 --> 3479.06] It was mostly question answering.
[3479.22 --> 3484.04] But also someone, I forget their name, they added some extra information.
[3484.38 --> 3488.20] And it was good to see, like, in the Slack channel, that conversation.
[3488.20 --> 3494.54] So I think that's a good idea to, you know, say, hey, if you want to know more, if you want to talk to me, I'll be there.
[3494.88 --> 3495.50] Let's hang out.
[3496.10 --> 3497.62] So, again, it's just an idea.
[3498.10 --> 3500.32] Who knows if it works out until you try it.
[3500.76 --> 3510.26] Okay, so what I'm hearing is that for first speakers, I think that having the talk pre-recorded may be a better experience.
[3510.26 --> 3518.92] Because that stage fright, that, like, you know, being there for the first time, being overwhelmed by emotions, being overwhelmed by, you know, what's happening.
[3519.12 --> 3520.58] There's, like, too much stuff happening, right?
[3520.88 --> 3523.22] Especially at a big conference like KubeCon.
[3523.52 --> 3525.20] So it can be a bit overwhelming.
[3525.64 --> 3530.22] So I'm wondering if this is a good idea of starting your KubeCon experience, you know?
[3530.36 --> 3531.72] I mean, how did you feel?
[3531.76 --> 3532.64] Did you feel relaxed?
[3532.76 --> 3537.80] Did you feel, like, what was the predominant feeling as you were giving this talk and as you were preparing for the talk?
[3537.80 --> 3543.62] So as I started the talk, I was very relaxed because I knew that everything was pre-recorded.
[3543.78 --> 3545.78] So nothing could go really wrong.
[3546.04 --> 3552.46] I know that it can be intimidating when you go on stage because if you do a live demo, for example, many things can go wrong.
[3553.00 --> 3558.04] So the talk being pre-recorded is just much more comfortable for the speaker.
[3558.46 --> 3558.60] Okay.
[3558.70 --> 3561.82] Yeah, so I could fully focus just on the questions part.
[3562.26 --> 3564.60] And that was very valuable to the attendees.
[3564.60 --> 3567.06] So what are you thinking about next KubeCon?
[3567.06 --> 3570.12] Will you attend it in person, virtually?
[3570.40 --> 3571.44] Will you give a talk?
[3571.52 --> 3573.18] Would you prefer to give a talk virtually?
[3573.60 --> 3575.18] Or would you like a pre-recorded one?
[3575.36 --> 3577.38] Or would you prefer to give a talk in person?
[3577.48 --> 3578.02] What are you thinking?
[3578.48 --> 3584.66] So if I have the chance to go to a conference in person, I would go there in person because it's really about meeting the people.
[3585.30 --> 3586.92] So for me, a conference has two sides.
[3586.92 --> 3592.84] First side is really learning something, hearing talks, and having technical conversations.
[3593.46 --> 3599.32] And the second part is meeting people and getting to know contributors to other projects.
[3600.02 --> 3604.50] And that second part came a bit short for me, this KubeCon, just because it was virtual.
[3604.50 --> 3608.78] So for the Europe KubeCon next year, I try to go there in person.
[3609.24 --> 3611.74] Are you thinking of giving a talk or submitting one?
[3611.88 --> 3612.66] I would like to.
[3613.18 --> 3620.94] So if the talk, let's imagine that it gets accepted, are you thinking of giving it in person or pre-recording as you have this time?
[3621.08 --> 3623.00] The next time I would give it in person.
[3623.34 --> 3623.66] In person.
[3623.66 --> 3625.12] Just to also practice.
[3625.60 --> 3625.82] Yeah.
[3626.12 --> 3630.50] So what I'm looking up here, I just wanted to confirm because I sometimes get his name wrong.
[3631.14 --> 3636.04] So there's this person that I admire when it comes to public speaking.
[3636.04 --> 3638.52] His name is Matt Abrahams.
[3639.00 --> 3642.92] And he gave a couple of talks about memorable communication.
[3643.58 --> 3645.22] He even wrote a book, a very good one.
[3645.68 --> 3647.30] Small one, but important one.
[3647.62 --> 3649.70] Speaking out without freaking out.
[3649.90 --> 3653.54] He had a tech talk and he has a couple of great talks online on YouTube.
[3653.66 --> 3656.70] About how to make your communication memorable.
[3657.26 --> 3660.84] How to deal with anxiety while giving talks publicly.
[3661.24 --> 3666.14] Or, you know, there's like different types of talking where you prepare and the ad hoc ones would just happen.
[3666.70 --> 3670.56] And that really helped me to become a more confident speaker.
[3670.92 --> 3678.02] So it may not work for you, but I would recommend checking it out and see if there's something valuable there that, you know, relates to you.
[3678.30 --> 3679.86] So that's what I would say.
[3679.94 --> 3681.50] It helped me and it may help you.
[3681.66 --> 3681.84] Cool.
[3681.84 --> 3684.18] So what did you enjoy the most about this KubeCon?
[3684.40 --> 3687.80] I enjoyed most that there were so many different tracks I could choose from.
[3688.70 --> 3692.02] So the whole ecosystem is very wide.
[3692.26 --> 3695.58] So I think there were around eight, nine or even ten tracks in parallel.
[3696.02 --> 3696.12] Yeah.