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[4694.34 --> 4703.26] So, if you go to chainguard.dev or slash about and you click on the faces of the different people that are part of Chainguard, something amazing happens. |
[4703.50 --> 4704.90] And I'll let you discover that. |
[4705.44 --> 4708.06] But can you tell us the story behind it, Dan? |
[4708.64 --> 4709.00] Sure. |
[4709.10 --> 4709.24] Yeah. |
[4709.24 --> 4714.30] My version of the story is that we announced Chainguard, our new company, a couple weeks ago. |
[4714.62 --> 4718.78] Scott Nichols, one of our co-founders, was working very hard on that website to get it set up. |
[4719.02 --> 4721.10] I can't do any kind of design at all. |
[4721.26 --> 4723.54] I'm terrible at front-end stuff and everything like that. |
[4723.54 --> 4725.98] So, you know, I hadn't even really been paying too much attention to it. |
[4726.48 --> 4728.12] And the website went out and it was awesome. |
[4728.46 --> 4732.12] And then everybody on Twitter just started laughing and telling all these jokes about the About page. |
[4732.16 --> 4733.34] And I had no idea what was happening. |
[4733.46 --> 4735.04] And they were talking about all of these Easter eggs. |
[4735.20 --> 4738.62] And it took me a couple days before somebody finally showed me what was happening. |
[4738.90 --> 4743.54] But, yeah, Scott put in a really fun Easter egg about my hair here that we're talking about now. |
[4743.58 --> 4748.14] Where if you click on anybody's faces on the About page, you get a pretty cool effect. |
[4748.54 --> 4748.82] Okay. |
[4749.04 --> 4749.32] So. |
[4749.84 --> 4750.90] That is your hair, too? |
[4751.48 --> 4751.88] Okay. |
[4751.88 --> 4756.70] I think it's a Photoshopped, exaggerated version of my hair. |
[4757.06 --> 4757.28] But, yeah. |
[4758.50 --> 4760.34] Has the pandemic something to do with it? |
[4761.46 --> 4761.70] Okay. |
[4761.84 --> 4762.06] Yeah. |
[4762.14 --> 4765.22] So, my hair has had a couple phases in the last few years. |
[4765.50 --> 4768.38] But, yeah, I basically haven't gotten it cut since the pandemic started. |
[4769.00 --> 4772.00] There was a brief phase where I have very curly hair. |
[4772.12 --> 4774.22] And it was kind of just kind of going out like this for a while. |
[4774.36 --> 4775.96] But as you can tell now, it kept growing. |
[4776.08 --> 4777.58] It has now collapsed under its own weight. |
[4777.58 --> 4778.98] And it's fallen down. |
[4779.18 --> 4779.32] Yeah. |
[4779.36 --> 4782.16] So, those pictures are a little, that hair is a little outdated. |
[4782.32 --> 4783.94] But it did look like that at one point in time. |
[4784.14 --> 4784.64] That's crazy. |
[4784.84 --> 4786.68] That is my favorite part, by the way. |
[4787.56 --> 4790.78] I think he was looking at the analytics stats for our page. |
[4790.86 --> 4792.14] Because we put a little analytics thing on there. |
[4792.14 --> 4795.00] And the About page has more views than anything else on the website right now. |
[4795.30 --> 4798.64] So, we'll just pile on top of that. |
[4798.82 --> 4800.18] So, that's the most important page. |
[4800.98 --> 4801.36] All right. |
[4801.60 --> 4803.62] The effect on Kim, I think it looks the best. |
[4804.34 --> 4805.56] I tried to pull the faces. |
[4805.90 --> 4807.64] But I think on her, it suits her. |
[4808.48 --> 4808.84] Yeah. |
[4808.88 --> 4811.22] I didn't even realize he did it for all of the faces at first. |
[4811.34 --> 4812.18] I thought it was just mine. |
[4812.34 --> 4812.44] Yeah. |
[4812.48 --> 4815.94] It took me a little bit to realize the full extent of the Easter egg. |
[4816.46 --> 4819.24] Any other Easter eggs that you're aware of that we should check out? |
[4819.24 --> 4820.18] Not that I'm aware of. |
[4820.18 --> 4821.28] You can ask Scott Nichols. |
[4821.56 --> 4822.70] He probably hit a few more. |
[4823.48 --> 4824.52] Stop working on features. |
[4825.00 --> 4826.24] Give us more Easter eggs. |
[4827.14 --> 4827.50] Perfect. |
[4827.62 --> 4831.64] So, why do you think that the world needs Chain Guard, Dan? |
[4831.68 --> 4831.88] Yeah. |
[4831.92 --> 4833.06] I think we need something here. |
[4833.24 --> 4837.44] So, I've been working on software supply chain security for probably the last three-ish years. |
[4837.52 --> 4839.18] Kind of, you know, full-time almost. |
[4839.66 --> 4841.80] I got worried about it a little bit before then. |
[4842.26 --> 4842.84] But, yeah. |
[4842.86 --> 4845.30] I've been doing kind of nothing but that for about the last three years. |
[4845.42 --> 4846.50] Most of that time was at Google. |
[4847.28 --> 4850.22] And I'll tell you, three years ago, nobody even understood it. |
[4850.30 --> 4851.46] The term wasn't around. |
[4851.94 --> 4853.00] Nobody cared about it. |
[4853.06 --> 4854.52] We were kind of running around telling everybody, |
[4854.52 --> 4856.74] you should be paying attention to what goes into these containers. |
[4856.74 --> 4858.58] And everybody said, we have other problems. |
[4858.70 --> 4859.22] This is fine. |
[4860.04 --> 4863.98] Until probably a year and a half ago is when things started to turn around. |
[4864.02 --> 4869.70] We started getting all these reports of different open source libraries being attacked or taken over by malicious actors. |
[4869.70 --> 4873.70] Companies started having internal attacks, insider threats. |
[4873.70 --> 4882.10] Finally, the kind of huge one, the tipping point was the famous attack on SolarWinds back in December of last year, the sunburst attack. |
[4882.52 --> 4885.32] And that kind of led to, you know, the downstream effects of that. |
[4885.42 --> 4890.66] All of the customers at SolarWinds had the impact kind of led to the whole shift kind of overnight. |
[4890.80 --> 4893.44] And people saying, hey, we haven't paid attention to this for years. |
[4893.48 --> 4894.02] What's going on? |
[4894.06 --> 4895.14] Let's go try to fix this. |
[4895.14 --> 4895.62] Yeah. |
[4895.78 --> 4897.20] Led to, you know, government regulations. |
[4897.44 --> 4899.12] The EU is working on new standards. |
[4899.36 --> 4910.10] The U.S. government put out an executive order calling for institutions to start figuring out what to do and kind of change the way that we build software to fix all of this, make it more secure. |
[4910.28 --> 4915.64] Leave a lot more of those kind of verifiable breadcrumbs we talked about around to make a lot of these attacks harder. |
[4915.64 --> 4918.22] I'm really glad that the world is taking this seriously. |
[4918.38 --> 4919.10] It was high time. |
[4919.64 --> 4921.68] And thank goodness nothing worse happened. |
[4921.84 --> 4924.38] But it is obvious that we have to act fast on this. |
[4924.50 --> 4931.56] And I'm glad that you, first of all, are a small team of crazy people that really believe in this. |
[4931.80 --> 4935.02] I think that is the best way of driving change. |
[4935.38 --> 4937.60] And I'm glad that many other companies are paying attention. |
[4937.86 --> 4943.62] So I'm sure over the next year, next two years, this will just grow in popularity and importance. |
[4943.62 --> 4947.42] And I'm glad that someone like you is steering this. |
[4947.48 --> 4948.62] And I say you, I mean Chain Guard. |
[4949.36 --> 4950.10] Well, thank you. |
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