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[1741.40 --> 1743.04] whereas in Windows, trying to get |
[1743.04 --> 1744.14] somebody to go set that stuff up |
[1744.14 --> 1745.72] correctly was sometimes a pain. |
[1746.18 --> 1746.50] Yeah. |
[1746.66 --> 1747.46] Super pain. |
[1747.72 --> 1750.38] We used to, me and Steve Francia, |
[1750.74 --> 1753.24] who, hi, Steve, used to teach |
[1753.24 --> 1754.04] workshops. |
[1754.32 --> 1755.72] And the first thing that we would do |
[1755.72 --> 1756.94] is raise your hand if you use |
[1756.94 --> 1757.72] a Windows machine. |
[1758.08 --> 1758.44] Great. |
[1758.98 --> 1760.42] You guys are now friends |
[1760.42 --> 1762.50] because you're going to need |
[1762.50 --> 1763.78] to help each other during setup |
[1763.78 --> 1764.96] because we cannot help you. |
[1765.58 --> 1765.90] Mm-hmm. |
[1766.14 --> 1767.86] Yeah, you taught, and I have that |
[1767.86 --> 1768.80] material, and I thought it was |
[1768.80 --> 1770.96] amazing in terms of CLI. |
[1771.32 --> 1772.70] So CLI workshop, and I think it |
[1772.70 --> 1774.28] was for OSCON last year or the |
[1774.28 --> 1774.86] year before. |
[1775.60 --> 1777.20] And it has like, the slide deck |
[1777.20 --> 1778.80] is something like 300-some slides. |
[1779.36 --> 1781.14] And setup, Ashley, was like the |
[1781.14 --> 1782.96] first third of that, right? |
[1782.96 --> 1784.96] And so I just wonder, like, is that |
[1784.96 --> 1786.68] the hump that we just want to help |
[1786.68 --> 1787.96] beginners get over, and then they'll |
[1787.96 --> 1789.16] be able to get really productive |
[1789.16 --> 1790.08] soon after that? |
[1790.52 --> 1793.26] It really was the first half of |
[1793.26 --> 1794.16] the workshop. |
[1794.76 --> 1796.76] Setup was difficult for a lot of |
[1796.76 --> 1797.06] people. |
[1797.20 --> 1798.74] There was a lot of going around and |
[1798.74 --> 1800.20] helping people get their machines |
[1800.20 --> 1800.68] set up. |
[1800.98 --> 1804.50] Once we got into building the app, |
[1804.78 --> 1806.94] things seemed to flow much, much |
[1806.94 --> 1807.40] easier. |
[1807.82 --> 1810.32] So yeah, setup was definitely a big |
[1810.32 --> 1810.64] issue. |
[1810.64 --> 1812.42] I think setup's also like the |
[1812.42 --> 1813.50] biggest quitting point, too. |
[1813.94 --> 1814.12] Yeah. |
[1814.32 --> 1815.64] Like, at some point during setup, if |
[1815.64 --> 1816.76] it stops working, you quit. |
[1816.92 --> 1818.88] But like, if you're writing code and |
[1818.88 --> 1820.44] you've got most things running, I |
[1820.44 --> 1821.68] think you're less likely to quit at |
[1821.68 --> 1822.06] that point. |
[1822.38 --> 1824.18] And is this unique to Go, or are we |
[1824.18 --> 1826.62] just, I want to kind of give a nod to |
[1826.62 --> 1828.38] any beginner out there, whether it's |
[1828.38 --> 1829.48] somebody who's already learned |
[1829.48 --> 1830.92] something else in terms of the |
[1830.92 --> 1831.86] programming language, or someone |
[1831.86 --> 1834.48] who's a complete beginner, is set up |
[1834.48 --> 1836.34] a quitting point for all languages, or |
[1836.34 --> 1838.14] is it a little bit more painful in Go? |
[1838.44 --> 1839.02] I think it's all. |
[1839.02 --> 1840.72] I think every language has some, like, |
[1840.78 --> 1842.46] barrier to entry, and once you get it, |
[1842.56 --> 1842.92] you're good. |
[1843.04 --> 1844.62] But up until that point, it can be |
[1844.62 --> 1845.02] frustrating. |
[1845.70 --> 1846.94] I do think it also depends whether |
[1846.94 --> 1848.04] you're talking about an interpreted |
[1848.04 --> 1849.92] language or a compiled language as |
[1849.92 --> 1850.50] well, right? |
[1850.74 --> 1852.44] Because it is a little, you know, hard |
[1852.44 --> 1853.98] to compare Go to an interpreted |
[1853.98 --> 1856.20] language, like the like of PHP, |
[1856.40 --> 1857.82] perhaps, in the way that it's |
[1857.82 --> 1859.20] structured and some of those elements |
[1859.20 --> 1860.46] that it actually achieves underneath. |
[1860.90 --> 1863.10] But one other element I think comes |
[1863.10 --> 1864.74] into play is, you know, what do you |
[1864.74 --> 1866.56] then, once you have Go set up, what do |
[1866.56 --> 1868.60] you hook in after that, right? |
[1868.68 --> 1870.12] Is it an IDE? |
[1870.44 --> 1871.78] Do you have plans for an IDE? |
[1872.18 --> 1873.72] Because there's some really outstanding |
[1873.72 --> 1874.98] things you can do afterwards. |
[1875.12 --> 1877.18] And yeah, I show, just like everyone |
[1877.18 --> 1878.32] else does, how do you make a Hello |
[1878.32 --> 1879.98] Word program on the command line? |
[1880.48 --> 1882.62] But then if you can actually trace and |
[1882.62 --> 1884.48] set up breakpoints and have an IDE |
[1884.48 --> 1887.46] experience after that, that will help |
[1887.46 --> 1889.60] guide the student, then they can trace |
[1889.60 --> 1891.32] their way through the code, which again, |
[1891.32 --> 1892.72] will help them understand what's actually |
[1892.72 --> 1894.06] happening underneath the covers. |
[1894.06 --> 1896.08] So, you know, there's that initial setup, |
[1896.22 --> 1898.40] but then also, and that's the kind of |
[1898.40 --> 1900.48] thing where, ask anyone, they have |
[1900.48 --> 1902.22] their favorite, is it Atom, is it |
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