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[4122.08 --> 4126.18] I would be surprised if that was not unpopular.
[4126.82 --> 4128.44] That's a very good unpopular opinion.
[4129.00 --> 4129.36] Thank you.
[4130.04 --> 4132.18] But I do now really want someone to do that.
[4132.40 --> 4133.52] I want to see this compiler.
[4134.02 --> 4134.90] It's a challenge.
[4135.86 --> 4136.90] Dominic, over to you.
[4137.38 --> 4141.70] In fact, Misha, you can do it, and then come back on the show, and we can talk about it.
[4141.78 --> 4142.60] You just got to write it in Go.
[4142.66 --> 4143.14] Sounds good.
[4143.42 --> 4143.86] I'm ready.
[4144.46 --> 4146.12] Wait, I swear that defeats the purpose.
[4146.12 --> 4150.70] I swear, if you write it in Go, is it not then fully CSS?
[4151.04 --> 4155.62] You can eventually bootstrap it so it's self-hosting on CSS, but you have to write it in some...
[4155.62 --> 4156.20] Does that count?
[4156.34 --> 4156.58] Yeah.
[4156.98 --> 4159.06] Go was written in Go, but it didn't start off being written in Go.
[4159.14 --> 4160.16] It started off being written in C.
[4160.58 --> 4161.08] Oh, okay.
[4161.70 --> 4165.86] Misha, in the definition for your unpopular opinion that you just came up with, does that
[4165.86 --> 4166.16] count?
[4166.42 --> 4166.74] Yes.
[4166.92 --> 4167.62] Yeah, that would count.
[4167.84 --> 4168.60] Can we do this?
[4168.94 --> 4170.68] Okay, it's official now.
[4172.86 --> 4174.00] Dominic, hit me.
[4174.18 --> 4174.88] Unpopular opinion.
[4175.40 --> 4179.58] Well, last time I thought it was the highest I could go, so let's see.
[4180.24 --> 4181.88] Clearly not, because you're back.
[4182.02 --> 4182.84] No, clearly not.
[4182.90 --> 4183.16] Exactly.
[4183.78 --> 4187.30] GitHub co-pilot will do more harm than good, I think.
[4187.38 --> 4188.58] Oh, that's not going to be unpopular.
[4189.08 --> 4189.30] No?
[4189.48 --> 4189.74] Yeah.
[4190.66 --> 4193.30] It's more of an opinion that needs to be put out there.
[4193.38 --> 4194.00] Yeah, I know.
[4194.00 --> 4196.20] I was supposed to think about it.
[4196.20 --> 4200.62] Maybe I will pass, because like I was saying at the beginning, I caught the COVID yesterday,
[4200.86 --> 4206.14] so I was supposed to think about that yesterday, and to be frank, I did not.
[4206.34 --> 4208.60] So yeah, let me pass on that.
[4208.84 --> 4212.34] Shout out to Dominic for doing GoTime with active COVID.
[4212.60 --> 4213.50] Yeah, it was rough.
[4214.18 --> 4214.80] Real trooper.
[4215.12 --> 4216.36] Yeah, thank you so much.
[4216.60 --> 4218.32] Yeah, that's my popular opinion, in fact.
[4219.40 --> 4220.90] Doing things with the COVID.
[4221.44 --> 4222.12] Powering through.
[4222.12 --> 4230.24] All right, John, you are the person who holds one of the most unpopular GoTime opinions ever.
[4231.10 --> 4236.32] Shameless plug to a previous GoTime episode where we go through all of our unpopular opinions of the year.
[4236.60 --> 4239.84] I don't know exactly what number it is, but if you DM me, I'll let you know.
[4239.88 --> 4240.68] It's a great episode.
[4240.68 --> 4244.64] Where John said that he hates chocolate.
[4245.16 --> 4247.30] So I'm ready for this next one.
[4247.36 --> 4248.26] It better be a good one.
[4248.34 --> 4250.30] My expectations are sky high.
[4250.56 --> 4255.38] I'm going to swing for the fences on this one and say that I think adding generics to Go was a mistake.
[4255.88 --> 4256.36] Ooh.
[4256.36 --> 4266.16] So while there are use cases where generics actually are very handy, I think overall I have seen more harm done with generics than in general.
[4266.16 --> 4273.48] Because I think that it encourages developers to try and deduplicate things that are not necessarily the same.
[4274.14 --> 4285.54] And when you're trying to reuse for the sake of reusability and accomplish different tasks with code, you oftentimes end up with code that is much more of a tangled mess and harder to maintain and harder to understand.
[4285.54 --> 4289.20] And I think the generics encourage that.
[4289.68 --> 4293.32] I think like everything in life, balance will return at some point.
[4293.72 --> 4296.12] But in my opinion, it will be good.
[4296.22 --> 4301.40] Just think about all the loops that we are doing that we will not be forced to do.
[4301.56 --> 4305.96] Like, you know, removing an item from a slice, for example, or I don't know.
[4305.96 --> 4312.86] So I think for the next six months, it will be like very dirty everywhere.
[4313.16 --> 4314.24] Everyone will try that.
[4314.36 --> 4316.06] But I'm not sure.
[4316.32 --> 4317.76] I disagree with that, respectfully.
[4318.70 --> 4319.18] Totally.
[4319.30 --> 4323.78] And I totally get you where like those loops and whatnot, where there's cases where it totally makes sense.
[4324.08 --> 4329.30] But I think that having those cases is a lesser sin from the abuse of generics that's going to follow.
[4329.84 --> 4330.10] Yeah.
[4330.24 --> 4331.02] Yeah, I see the point.
[4331.44 --> 4334.20] I hope we will see a balance at some point because...
[4334.20 --> 4336.28] It's going to be channels and good routines all over again.
[4336.40 --> 4338.82] People are just going to sprinkle that stuff all over their code bases.
[4339.68 --> 4340.00] Yep.
[4340.28 --> 4341.78] Oh, can I use a channel here?
[4341.84 --> 4343.12] I'll use a channel because I can't.
[4343.14 --> 4344.40] Oh, now I need to use seven channels?
[4344.50 --> 4346.38] I'll use all seven of those channels just because I can.
[4346.42 --> 4347.60] I'll sprinkle good routines everywhere.
[4347.78 --> 4349.50] It's just going to be that all over again.
[4349.64 --> 4349.82] Yep.
[4350.14 --> 4353.90] Need I return to my first app ever that I think, Chris, you've seen,
[4353.90 --> 4360.28] where I literally ended up having like 317 channels individually written,
[4360.88 --> 4363.34] partly because I didn't know you could send stuff to one channel,
[4363.34 --> 4364.92] but also because I just had fun.
[4365.08 --> 4366.40] I was like, oh my God, I could create all this...
[4366.40 --> 4368.42] And then I had like pointers to channels.
[4368.80 --> 4369.46] Oh boy.
[4369.66 --> 4372.16] It was all fun, but clearly not the right approach.
[4372.36 --> 4373.12] Difficult to maintain.
[4373.30 --> 4373.54] Oh yeah.
[4373.60 --> 4376.26] And then I added like go routines onto every single one.
[4376.90 --> 4378.54] So that was fun.
[4381.10 --> 4383.32] Yeah, Chris, I know you loved it when I showed you.
[4383.52 --> 4385.10] Like, look how pretty it is.