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[13.76 --> 19.56] It's called Big Tent and it's hosted by Matt Toback, Tom Wilkie, and GoTime's very own Matt Reier. |
[20.16 --> 24.64] So, today on GoTime we're featuring episode 6 of Grafana's Big Tent, |
[24.64 --> 27.64] where both the Matts talk with Nayana Shetty from Lego Group |
[27.64 --> 30.18] all about observability strategies that work. |
[30.78 --> 33.94] GoTime returns to its regularly scheduled programming next week |
[33.94 --> 39.36] when Ron Evans travels back from 2053 to warn Matt and Natalie all about Go's future. |
[39.98 --> 42.18] Okay, Grafana's Big Tent. Here we go. |
[46.76 --> 49.50] This episode is brought to you by Chronosphere. |
[49.50 --> 54.86] When it comes to observability, teams need a reliable, scalable, and efficient solution |
[54.86 --> 57.46] so they can know about issues well before their customers do. |
[57.64 --> 61.08] They need a solution that helps them move faster than the competition. |
[61.64 --> 65.14] And companies born in the cloud-native era often start with Prometheus for monitoring, |
[65.42 --> 67.16] which is obviously an amazing piece of software, |
[67.54 --> 70.30] but they quickly push it to its limits and often outgrow it. |
[70.50 --> 74.08] They run into issues with siloed data, missing long-term storage, |
[74.38 --> 77.34] and wasted engineering time firefighting the monitoring system |
[77.34 --> 79.64] versus delivering their application with confidence. |
[79.64 --> 82.62] They describe the system as a house of cards, |
[82.62 --> 87.50] where a single developer's seemingly benign change can overload the whole monitoring system, |
[87.60 --> 91.80] or they say they're flying blind because they pride themselves on making data-driven decisions, |
[92.24 --> 95.46] but losing visibility means they lose this competitive edge. |
[95.78 --> 99.40] Ryan Sokol, VP of Engineering at DoorDash, has this to say about Chronosphere. |
[99.76 --> 100.00] Quote, |
[100.00 --> 108.20] Quote, |
[108.20 --> 109.36] End quote. |
[109.74 --> 114.06] Chronosphere is the observability platform for cloud-native teams operating at scale. |
[114.50 --> 117.06] Learn more and get a demo at chronosphere.io. |
[117.06 --> 118.06] Again, |
[118.40 --> 119.86] chronosphere.io. |
[128.26 --> 129.42] Let's do it. |
[129.92 --> 130.72] It's go time. |
[142.14 --> 142.86] Hello, |
[143.34 --> 146.00] and welcome to Grafana's Big Tent, |
[146.00 --> 151.92] the podcast all about the people, community, tools, and tech around observability. |
[152.68 --> 156.18] I'm joined today by, it's only Matt Toback. |
[156.24 --> 156.76] Hello, Matt. |
[157.12 --> 157.60] Hi, Matt. |
[157.82 --> 158.46] What do you mean, only? |
[158.80 --> 160.50] Yeah, no, it's just understated, isn't it? |
[160.60 --> 163.16] Just, I can't believe it's you, really, in a lot of ways. |
[163.38 --> 165.00] You could say, it's how you say it. |
[165.02 --> 165.64] It's not what you say it. |
[165.68 --> 166.76] You say, I can't believe it's you. |
[166.96 --> 167.58] You're here. |
[167.72 --> 168.08] Oh, right. |
[168.14 --> 168.34] Okay. |
[168.40 --> 170.26] I can't believe it's, I can't believe it's you. |
[170.40 --> 171.34] And you're like, you're here. |
[171.80 --> 172.46] You're here. |
[173.02 --> 173.24] Yeah. |
[173.24 --> 173.92] Well, don't worry. |
[174.00 --> 175.06] It's not just me and you. |
[175.06 --> 177.44] That would be obviously tiresome for both of us. |
[177.58 --> 180.94] We have a special guest joining us today. |
[181.12 --> 182.92] That would be tiresome for both of us. |
[183.12 --> 183.46] Thank you. |
[183.52 --> 184.14] It's how you say it. |
[184.14 --> 184.48] You're right. |
[186.56 --> 190.30] Today, we're joined by Nayana Shetty from Lego. |
[190.44 --> 191.00] Hello, Nayana. |
[191.38 --> 192.00] Hi, Matt. |
[192.18 --> 192.64] I'm mad. |
[194.24 --> 196.06] Yes, just one would suffice. |
[196.14 --> 196.66] We'll share it. |
[196.74 --> 197.38] Happy to share. |
[197.38 --> 203.64] And you are a principal engineer who loves talking about SRE in microservices, right? |
[204.42 --> 204.68] Yes. |
[204.78 --> 205.02] Yeah. |
[205.44 --> 209.36] I think over the years, I've been in teams where we've built microservices. |
[210.02 --> 218.22] And it's when you scale up and have hundreds of microservices, how do you then make them reliable and keep them reliable? |
[218.22 --> 220.54] That's what I'm interested in. |
[220.54 --> 228.02] And yeah, it's been so I was working in the financial times where we had all of these hundreds of microservices. |
[228.48 --> 229.78] And how do we manage it there? |
[229.78 --> 233.54] And now I've moved to the Lego group where we're going through massive digital transformation. |
[233.54 --> 238.02] And here it's like, we want to build these hundreds of microservices. |
[238.40 --> 241.00] So should we care about reliability now? |
[241.08 --> 245.46] Or can we think about it in like 10 years time when we have these microservices? |
[245.90 --> 251.26] So yeah, that is my context to how site reliability, microservices, all of this fit together. |
[251.78 --> 254.38] Yeah, because it did used to be a kind of afterthought, really, didn't it? |
[254.42 --> 257.66] Which is why I think SRE, I think it's short for sorry, right? |
[257.66 --> 260.32] That's one way of looking at it. |
[260.38 --> 267.42] Or like, I always think of it like, sorry, I don't understand why people don't think about site reliability in the first instance. |
[267.42 --> 273.66] Or sorry, I don't understand why people would build this in such a way that it is like half broken. |
[273.66 --> 276.96] Or like, you don't think about the future of this product. |
[277.10 --> 283.22] And you are very close to reinventing the wheel every few months if you went in that direction. |
[283.34 --> 286.56] So yeah, SRE is probably one of the ways of looking at it. |
[287.66 --> 297.32] Just even on a personal note, I'm excited that Naina is here and joining us because we met in 2018 for the first time in an attic in Amsterdam. |
[297.90 --> 300.12] Which when said that way, doesn't feel weird at all, right? |
[301.00 --> 307.76] I mean, we were talking loads of monitoring Grafana and graphite and all of those things. |
[307.88 --> 309.74] So yeah, attic didn't make a difference then. |
[309.74 --> 315.70] But it was wild because we did, we planned GrafanaCon EU in 2018, |
[315.70 --> 325.06] which was technically our third GrafanaCon, but was kind of our biggest up to that point and the most what felt well produced. |
[325.20 --> 326.56] And it was the middle of an Arctic chill. |
[326.70 --> 327.30] Do you remember that? |
[327.52 --> 328.84] That the canals had frozen over? |
[329.50 --> 329.72] Yes. |
[329.82 --> 330.00] Yeah. |
[330.06 --> 332.68] I had struggles getting back home. |
[332.94 --> 337.78] And like, it took me two hours where it should have probably taken me only like half an hour to get home. |
[338.02 --> 339.70] So yeah, I completely remember that. |
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