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**Ian Lopshire:** None of that nonsense. \[laughs\] |
**Kris Brandow:** Johnny! Do you have an unpopular opinion? |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna be unpopular, but I know for me something I've been struggling with - passion is so overrated, man... It really is. I have a bunch of projects that I'm working on; I was passionate about them when I first started. Now I'm not passionate about them anymore, but I... |
I wanna move on to the new and shiny thing that caught my eye three months ago, but I can't, because I made commitments and I've gotta get these other things that I was passionate about done. So passion fades. The only thing that really matters is doing the work. Do the work, get it done, ship it, and move on. |
**Kris Brandow:** I agree with you. I think I've read a few things that are like, you know, passion is good to get you started, but it's the stubbornness that actually winds up being the thing that gets you through it all. You've gotta be stubborn about something, and be like "I'm getting this thing done, because I sai... |
**Jerod Santo:** It's a good way to pay somebody less money to do the same job, is for them to be passionate... |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Oooh...! I like that. |
2:\[01:01:53.29\] So it seems like -- it could be predatory at times, I think, to call on someone's passion, because their excitement, their pure love allows them to say "Well, I don't need as much money" or "I'll work more because I'm passionate." So I think it kind of can be that way... |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Hm. F U, pay me. \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** That's your experience talking, Johnny... No, I agree with you, I think it is overrated... And it's the whole 99% perspiration thing. 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration. It goes back -- I don't know who said that originally. Probably Mark Twain, or Abraham Lincoln, or Albert Einstein. One of those three ... |
**Ian Lopshire:** I'm along the same lines. I think passion is an internal shortcut to getting things done, but at the end of the day it's the output that matters. So yes, I agree. It's overrated. |
**Jerod Santo:** No unpopular opinions on this episode. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Goodness. |
**Kris Brandow:** Okay. Jerod? |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright, I've shared this one elsewhere, but I'll share it here to see if gophers agree or disagree. I think that most of the time that we as developers spend tweaking our configs, customizing our shell, putting our shortcuts into our text editor, writing those one-line shell scripts - most of that tim... |
I think we spend hours to save 30 seconds. I think we could just learn the editor as it exists, and I think that we could get a whole lot done in a whole lot less time if we weren't always tweaking stuff. |
**Kris Brandow:** I agree with that. |
**Ian Lopshire:** I agree. |
**Jerod Santo:** Dang it! \[laughter\] Johnny? |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** I will disagree... I will disagree. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yes...! |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Because there is a productivity gain that materializes once you understand how you work best, how quickly your hands move across the keyboard, for example... It can be as simple as that. Having the right shortcuts in the right place, or being able to write your script, invoke it on your shell in ... |
I think all these things have value, and I will agree that there's a threshold. There's an amount where you have diminishing returns on that stuff. So if I'm gonna do something that yes it's tedious in the world of SRE toil is a thing, and sometimes we can't always fix toil to the degree we'd like to... But because doi... |
So there's decisions to be made as to where is the value, where does this start diminishing. So I think there's nuance there, on its face, as you're about to cut out all the nuance that I've just said... \[laughter\] I will say "No, I disagree." |
**Kris Brandow:** I feel like though that you just agreed with him... Because he said that -- |
**Jerod Santo:** He did. He agreed with me. \[laughter\] |
**Kris Brandow:** He didn't say it's all useless... |
**Jerod Santo:** But I hedged. I said "Most of the time that we spend..." And the reason I say that is because we have a natural inclination - and I speak from my own personal experience" to overdo it, to over-automate, to over-tweak, to over-customize... Because it's fun, it has dopamine hits, and it's a good way to p... |
**Kris Brandow:** It's in the black. |
**Jerod Santo:** You're in the black. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Then you just have to change your opinion to "Always" not "Sometimes", and then I'll be right. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. That would be more bombastic, probably more unpopular. I'm still learning. I'm still learning how to be as unpopular as I can be. |
**Kris Brandow:** \[01:06:00.10\] Okay, I've got an unpopular opinion... |
**Jerod Santo:** Let's hear it. |
**Kris Brandow:** I was thinking about this episode and I was talking to a friend about it... I will make the assertion that Rust is the Esperanto of programming languages. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Oh...! |
**Jerod Santo:** Hm... |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Say more. \[laughter\] |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** And for those who don't know, you'd better go watch Encanto. |
**Kris Brandow:** Esperanto is this language that's designed to be like easy to learn... Basically, a better version of all the languages that we have, and to do all those things in a more capable way, by making it easier for people to communicate in all of this... And it has all these aspirations, and in some ways it'... |
I'm not saying we shouldn't have it, I'm just saying that it's basically Esperanto, but in programming language form. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. I don't have a take on that. I don't know enough about Rust. I can't either agree, nor disagree. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** I just thought you were talking about Encanto. \[laughter\] |
**Kris Brandow:** No, no, no... |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** That's an actual language... And you learn something new every day. |
**Kris Brandow:** Yeah, Esperanto is a real language that people around the world speak and write. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Alright. You learn something new every day. |
**Jerod Santo:** Where is it mostly spoken? |
**Kris Brandow:** It's one of those global languages. So it's not centralized anywhere. Literally, someone in the early 1900's sat down and was like "I want to design a good language." So they sat down and they literally created a language, and was like "Okay, this should be easy to learn, it should be very consistent.... |
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