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[1823.50 --> 1825.76] There's been some pretty good movement over there lately.
[1826.36 --> 1829.12] I think they're working on multi-room audio stuff,
[1829.40 --> 1832.78] but it won't have the Rune audio transport stuff.
[1832.94 --> 1835.50] So I doubt it will be quite as polished again,
[1835.62 --> 1836.60] but who knows?
[1836.76 --> 1838.24] Who knows where this will go?
[1838.42 --> 1840.82] But that's my review of Rune, people.
[1841.50 --> 1841.76] Fascinating.
[1841.88 --> 1843.36] Thank you for updating us on that.
[1843.44 --> 1846.86] We've been getting a good series of feedback on multi-room audio.
[1846.96 --> 1848.16] It's something people are trying to solve.
[1848.56 --> 1850.12] And I know there's got to be somebody out there that's like,
[1850.18 --> 1852.92] just get a Pi Zero, you know, or something like that.
[1853.06 --> 1854.74] But do you really have time?
[1855.42 --> 1857.86] Well, Rune, sorry to come back to Rune again,
[1857.94 --> 1861.50] but I'm running one of the Playbacks devices.
[1861.50 --> 1865.58] It's a Rue P, a Raspberry Pi running the Rune server.
[1865.70 --> 1865.98] Right.
[1866.24 --> 1866.48] Okay.
[1866.48 --> 1868.84] So I am using Raspberry Pi as part of this as well.
[1869.16 --> 1873.70] So, you know, maybe one day I'll find the perfect solution.
[1873.88 --> 1877.52] But I think until Rune guarantee, I don't know,
[1878.30 --> 1881.66] seven days before the core has to phone home again.
[1881.68 --> 1882.68] It used to be 30 days.
[1882.74 --> 1886.34] The grace period, by the way, with 1.8, which is the previous release,
[1886.82 --> 1889.28] used to be 30 days, and now it's zero minutes.
[1890.98 --> 1892.16] It's just a hard sell.
[1892.90 --> 1894.40] Yeah, especially when you're paying 10 bucks a month.
[1894.40 --> 1899.00] It feels like when you're paying for something like that that's using your own media,
[1899.96 --> 1901.30] they should give you grace periods like that.
[1901.36 --> 1902.40] 30 days sounds about right.
[1903.48 --> 1904.16] That's about it.
[1904.52 --> 1905.90] You know, I'm going to be buying new gear soon.
[1906.58 --> 1908.30] Cloudfree.shop is where I'll go to check it out.
[1908.56 --> 1909.16] And you can too.
[1909.22 --> 1911.40] If you use the promo code SSH, I think you get like a buck off.
[1912.64 --> 1913.60] Lightswitch is coming soon.
[1913.82 --> 1914.98] Cloudfree lightswitches.
[1915.66 --> 1917.08] Lightswitches is definitely the way I want to go.
[1917.56 --> 1919.26] And after we get to the feedback today,
[1919.98 --> 1921.62] I think I'm going to be doubling down on Zigbee.
[1922.10 --> 1923.54] I'll tell you more about that later, though.
[1923.54 --> 1925.28] Cloudfree.shop.
[1925.72 --> 1927.12] Promo code self-hosted.
[1927.42 --> 1931.12] Yeah, one of my Shelleys just failed, actually, in the garage.
[1931.32 --> 1933.70] The actual switch, the relay part still works.
[1934.04 --> 1936.28] But when I flick the physical switch in the wall,
[1936.76 --> 1938.38] which in the garage you do all the time,
[1939.36 --> 1940.28] nothing happens.
[1940.42 --> 1941.92] So I've no idea what's happened with that one.
[1942.18 --> 1942.44] Bummer.
[1943.00 --> 1944.28] It's kind of a pain that I'm about to take it out.
[1944.98 --> 1945.20] You know?
[1945.24 --> 1945.52] Yeah.
[1945.74 --> 1946.32] Well, I'm looking.
[1946.70 --> 1948.46] I was thinking about getting one of those zoo switches
[1948.46 --> 1950.02] that we talked about last episode.
[1950.02 --> 1953.10] But I don't want to go just C-wave just for a few light switches.
[1953.20 --> 1955.64] I'd like to stay within the Zigbee universe.
[1955.88 --> 1958.92] So if you have a good Zigbee switch recommendation,
[1959.42 --> 1961.92] please let us know at self-hosted.show slash contact.
[1962.30 --> 1963.30] Speaking of feedback,
[1964.04 --> 1966.42] Docker versus LXC versus a VM.
[1966.56 --> 1968.00] You teased it earlier in the show,
[1968.22 --> 1970.10] and it's been a point of conversation recently.
[1970.60 --> 1970.72] Yeah.
[1970.80 --> 1972.72] Monkey Angst and I were talking on Discord,
[1972.72 --> 1974.76] and he wrote in saying,
[1974.84 --> 1977.02] I'm trying to decide between using an LXC
[1977.02 --> 1979.46] or another containerization technology.
[1979.96 --> 1982.36] What are you using these days, Alex, and why?
[1982.88 --> 1985.86] Well, the short answer is Docker,
[1986.20 --> 1987.38] and Docker and more Docker,
[1988.08 --> 1989.86] plus some virtualization,
[1990.96 --> 1992.76] and I think that's a...
[1992.76 --> 1994.50] Oh, and I suppose in the cloud, too,
[1994.54 --> 1995.52] there's a couple of things up there.
[1996.00 --> 1997.52] Most of that stuff's running in Docker, too.
[1998.04 --> 1999.36] And I'm just going to, you know,
[1999.50 --> 2000.76] preface everything I'm about to say
[2000.76 --> 2003.38] by saying that it's personal choice,
[2003.56 --> 2006.18] and there's more than one way
[2006.18 --> 2008.80] to skin a particular cat in this arena.
[2009.30 --> 2011.92] The way I do it is I run everything in Docker
[2011.92 --> 2014.66] because Docker Compose is awesome.
[2015.38 --> 2017.20] It's a great way to manage your personal systems.
[2017.58 --> 2018.58] It's a great way to separate,
[2019.10 --> 2020.70] without really having to do much of anything,
[2021.16 --> 2023.54] separate out the application and the data.
[2023.64 --> 2025.16] And just from a system-building standpoint,
[2025.68 --> 2027.12] that is a great design practice,
[2027.12 --> 2029.62] and Docker just gives it to you as a general practice.
[2030.40 --> 2032.30] And the other thing about LXCs to consider
[2032.30 --> 2034.98] is that the benefits of them
[2034.98 --> 2037.00] is that it gives you an init system.
[2037.30 --> 2038.32] So for those that aren't familiar,
[2038.48 --> 2040.18] an init system is something like systemd.
[2040.98 --> 2042.86] With a typical Docker container
[2042.86 --> 2044.46] or some kind of other Linux container,
[2044.62 --> 2048.24] what happens is the main process inside that container