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**Stormy Peters:** Can you say that though? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, what I'm asking, I guess, is should we -- there's no perfect way to do this, but maybe the version that gets deployed in most cases is like if you accept a position on a project that has, I don't know, some usefulness, some threshold of usefuless, and you are a crucial person because you've ac... |
**Stormy Peters:** Maybe you agree to mentor a certain number of people, or something. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, exactly. Something that says "I care about my team, my other maintainers and this project enough to accept the role, because I like it... But also, if I need to step away, some sort of responsibility to ensure non-breakage", you know? |
**Stormy Peters:** So one of our GitHub students, \[unintelligible 00:15:45.09\] GitHub Education shared with me a tip that he learned yesterday, which was instead of -- you know, someone submits an issue; instead of just writing code and solving it and doing your own pull requests and closing it, they suggested writin... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, yeah. Don't repeat yourself. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's so forward-thinking though... It requires discipline and forethought... It's hard to do that all the time, where you're just like "Well, I could just fix it real quick..." |
**Stormy Peters:** Especially if you like writing code and you like your project. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah... "I like to write code, I don't like to write prose very much... I started this because I like coding... I'm just gonna cut this up real quick." But you do that over and over again, and eventually it's just a recipe for disaster; as your life changes, as your desires change... |
**Stormy Peters:** But you could write prose for the problems that are kind of boring to you, and then save the interesting ones for yourself. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. Just don't tell anybody that's what you're doing. \[laughter\] "Here's a bunch of boring issues, guys... You guys handle those. I'll take all the fun stuff." |
**Stormy Peters:** It might not work to grow your project... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Companies can now contribute to open source via GitHub Sponsors in new ways, not just credit cards... POs, larger checks, etc. What's the next major thing for Sponsors? What are you working on? What does the Sponsors team, or this new leadership - what's the next plan for GitHub Sponsors? |
**Stormy Peters:** Yeah, so I think there's still features we can add in the product. We talked about being able to see all your dependencies, and all those dependencies, and contribute with one click... There's things like that we can add. But we also have a couple other programs that we're experimenting with, and we'... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Stormy Peters:** We also have the GitHub Fund, because it's really hard to get venture capital money when you are writing your company's code in open source. Venture capitalists like to think you have a secret sauce. And so we have the GitHub Fund that actually funds open source software projects, that are companies,... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[18:17\] Interesting. |
**Jerod Santo:** And that's GitHub proper that funds it, or they're pointing to other people's money? How does it work? |
**Stormy Peters:** It's a partnership with Microsoft's M12 venture capital fund. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How does a project get selected? Is it an application? Who gets funded, how do they get funded? |
**Jerod Santo:** Most stars...? |
**Stormy Peters:** The accelerator program is -- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, most stars...8 |
**Stormy Peters:** \[laughs\] Yeah, most stars... The accelerator program is an application. So someone who's interested in taking their project to the next level applies, and we selected them. On the GitHub Fund, we actually try to source them and find them, and then we reach out. They could also reach out, but we act... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Will you do the accelerator package or process as part of like batches? I'm thinking like YC, for example. You have YC batch X, and maybe this is a version for open source where the Accelerate -- is it called Accelerate? |
**Stormy Peters:** Accelerator. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Accelerator. This Accelerator program, that - maybe this first batch is like "Hey, we've helped these maintainers level up their projects..." Maybe the GitHub Fund is right after that for them potentially, to throw some money in there, or whatever it might be... Is there a thought around that proces... |
**Stormy Peters:** Yeah, we'll definitely repeat it. I hope with all the things that we do, that we learn and iterate. And I'd love to see us build more and more into the product, so that we can make it available to everybody. Like, maybe when you reach 5000 stars -- I know we were joking about it before, but when you ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. Behind the scenes we're hearing that a lot of the activity on GitHub is done by like one person in the repos... And that's kind of part of like funding open source. Like, there's a lot of activity in GitHub around open source and maintainers and whatnot that's in like a very small percentage.... |
**Stormy Peters:** So GitHub Sponsors, individuals and companies are deciding who they want to sponsor. We can obviously offer suggestions, but ultimately, it's down to you deciding that you want to give Jerod like $10... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So you're handing out shovels and picks; you're not giving maps. |
**Stormy Peters:** We're trying to provide maps. We're not providing rules, and saying "You must turn right here." |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. Guides. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, you said at 5,000 stars you may be. So that made me think you might have some proactive outreach as part of Sponsors. |
**Stormy Peters:** I would love to start doing that. But what I wanted to say when you asked what's next - I hope we learn from the Accelerator this round, and learn who is interested, who came, what did they learn, what was the most valuable for them? What kind of problems are they encountering? And we iterate. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. But in terms of the Sponsors, the product, it's pretty much what it is until we get this new person to come run product, right? |
**Stormy Peters:** We have a team working on Sponsors, but we're hiring a new lead -- |
**Jerod Santo:** A lead for the team. |
**Stormy Peters:** For Sponsors and Accelerator together. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. Because I know when we spoke with Devon Zuegel originally, when she was finished with her work there, and probably when we were talking with Jessica as well - you know, there's other ideas of ways of providing funding for open source, through Sponsors the product, that's not... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Money. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, no, it's money, but maybe you have -- so bug bounties is one idea... Of like "Well, we have issues, we have all these things... Through Sponsors maybe we could also provide funding through bug bounties." And I remember asking Devon about that, and she had her ideas on it, and then I think Jessica... |
**Stormy Peters:** \[22:07\] We're still working on the product, and we're hiring a new leader. And I would hope with things like bug bounties, that what we're doing is making it possible for you to host a bug bounty if you want to, not that you'd have to have a GitHub bug bounties to sign up for. |
**Jerod Santo:** Sure. No, I mean, the idea there is like, "Well, you could just build it right into issues." And so you open an issue and say, "Hey, I would love for this issue to be addressed. Here's $1,000." |
**Stormy Peters:** Or maybe we could all bid on it. We can all say "I'll throw $10 into the pot." |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, exactly. Pool the money. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, for sure. |
**Jerod Santo:** So those kinds of ideas... Maybe a good idea, maybe not a good idea, but ultimately, the Sponsors team has to decide what's going to be worked on... And so I was just wondering if the product's moving forward, in the meantime, while you're looking for someone to lead that team, and it sounds like they'... |
**Stormy Peters:** They are. |
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