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**Jerod Santo:** ...but this Accelerator thing is super-cool, by the way. I remember covering it in Changelog News, and seeing a bunch of projects getting money, and they're all excited, and they get mentorship, too... Right? |
**Stormy Peters:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** So hopefully -- |
**Stormy Peters:** They get mentorship, and a cohort... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. I mean, hopefully, that whole deal really helps them, and then we can learn from it, like you said, and do it again, and help more people. |
**Stormy Peters:** Yeah, because when I started in open source, it was definitely everyone's dream, was to get a paid job working at open source software. And everyone that got one, it's like "How did you do that? How did you convince them? What are you working on?" And that's been great, and it's expanded, and many of... |
**Jerod Santo:** Absolutely. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is there a maintainer dashboard, or a place that a maintainer can go, or something where they can go see "Here's what GitHub Sponsors has available to me"? And I'm thinking beyond -- just a place to get educated on how GitHub Sponsors can help them sustain their project, whether it's through donatio... |
**Stormy Peters:** So you can go read about GitHub Sponsors and maintainers and GitHub Fund. Now, we don't offer maintainers free software, but if you are a student interested in open source software, and you sign up for GitHub Education, there's a whole student pack of free software that you can get. |
**Jerod Santo:** There's a repo that you can find, something along the lines of -- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Awesome OSS, stuff like that... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, it's like "Free for open source. Awesome--" It's an Awesome list. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It is an Awesome list. |
**Jerod Santo:** And it's just gonna be maintained. And it's a list of Sentries, and BitBuckets... I just made that up; I don't know, is BitBucket still out there? Other things... Things that have a free plan for open source maintainers. And that'd be one place people could go, but... Just throwing that in there. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, to me it seems like you all have the great opportunity to connect dots. The dots are on GitHub. That's in a repo, right? It's in disparate places. Centralize... |
**Stormy Peters:** We're always looking for new ideas -- |
**Jerod Santo:** Bring it together... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** A maintainer dashboard. That needs to be your next big thing. "Where can I go as a maintainer to find out what's available to me to sustain?" Funding, people, free services... I don't know. Bug bounties... |
**Stormy Peters:** So when you say maintainer dashboard, what I always think about is - when I talk to maintainers, they tell me... They're not asking what they get for free; what they're asking is "How do I know who contributes to my projects, and how do I know who this person is? And the last time they were active. A... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. That would definitely be a good thing to put in that dashboard, too. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** A lot of things. |
**Stormy Peters:** A lot of things. We could create a project. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[26:08\] There's kind of two sides to an open source project, though. There's the running of it, and the creating the software, and like managing the community, potentially finding contributors, or identifying three-time contributors who may get an opportunity to become a full-time, or core team me... |
**Stormy Peters:** That, and I think we need to make sure developers and maintainers have tools to do their job well, and to get funding, whether it's through Accelerator, or GitHub Fund, or Sponsors, in a way that doesn't require them to become marketing and social media experts. I kind of feel this way about all smal... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right, precisely. |
**Jerod Santo:** To a certain extent, that's being built through the dependency graph... So you have the distribution. Of course, there's different kinds of open source, but let's just talk about libraries, where I write a library, and maybe it's really fast JSON parsing, and everybody starts using it... Now I'm in the... |
**Stormy Peters:** Yes. It's not as simple as just clicking a button, but you can do it. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. But you can see it at least. |
**Stormy Peters:** And that's the goal. You as a creator should get some kind of compensation for the thing you created that is now powering businesses around the world. |
**Jerod Santo:** Exactly. So all these businesses - maybe they don't rely directly on me, they rely on this framework, that uses me... And the framework gets 10 bucks, and for every 10 bucks they get, I get a buck, or whatever it is. |
**Stormy Peters:** Or maybe get 10 cents if they use 100 libraries. But once a thousand companies use it, that adds up. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. So now you have a distribution of your software, but you also have distribution of your sponsorship along that same graph. I think that's one way to do it without being like "Hey, I'm out on Twitter, talking about my fast JSON parsing library..." |
**Stormy Peters:** We do have someone who shames people on Twitter... They talk about using his product, and he goes and says, "Oh, that's great. Would you like to contribute on GitHub Sponsors?" And he's actually pretty successful at it. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay, so there's a hack... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I like that. |
**Jerod Santo:** But if you don't want to be that guy, or gal... |
**Stormy Peters:** You could just write a bot, so you don't have to deal with that every time... \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** There you go. There's always a bot for that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Bot Jerod, or Bot Adam. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. Cool. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Maybe one more facet is how do maintainers get paid? How easy is it for them to extract the dollars from the donation, from GitHub Sponsors? |
**Stormy Peters:** It's a Stripe payment. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. So they have to maintain a Stripe account, deal with taxes, of course... |
**Stormy Peters:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is that a struggle? Is it a struggle that you all care about, I suppose? I'm sure you do, but like product-wise today... |
**Stormy Peters:** We're always looking for -- we're always listening to people, and asking them how they like to receive money. So right now Stripe seems to work for a majority of the people, but the majority of the people that we're listening to are the people have signed up. We're also looking at partnerships with o... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. Well, cool. Big problems to solve, Stormy. |
**Stormy Peters:** Fun. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Fun problems. |
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