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[543.06 --> 544.26] No, I'm... |
[544.26 --> 548.14] Honestly, it's over all projects because I'm interacting with projects at every different |
[548.14 --> 548.42] level. |
[548.56 --> 550.68] It's just, I don't want to say I'm in charge of all of them. |
[550.80 --> 551.92] That's not true at all. |
[552.32 --> 558.76] But I would say I communicate with all of them and I'm trying to help the CNCF work with |
[558.76 --> 559.86] projects in a better way. |
[560.22 --> 560.48] Gotcha. |
[561.18 --> 562.52] Give us an example. |
[562.64 --> 564.40] How does that play out for recent? |
[565.40 --> 570.94] Recently, when I joined and one of the things that I've been really pushing for is a lot |
[570.94 --> 577.18] of the processes to grant projects access to cloud resources that are like group cloud |
[577.18 --> 582.80] resources under the CNCF or we have license scanning software or services. |
[582.80 --> 587.08] We want to give those to the projects and then step out of the way. |
[587.22 --> 589.36] Hey, we don't want to be the bottleneck. |
[589.92 --> 594.38] But most of the way that we grant that access is still a manual process. |
[594.38 --> 596.40] Even though all of these things have APIs. |
[596.90 --> 602.04] Well, gee, you know, you look at what Kubernetes has done with their like community management, |
[602.20 --> 608.00] like creating a user group in Slack is memes aside, like laugh, laugh at home. |
[608.00 --> 610.36] You edit a YAML file. |
[610.52 --> 614.34] Oh, you're joining a GitHub group or you've become like a SIG chair. |
[614.48 --> 615.70] You're editing a YAML file. |
[615.82 --> 619.38] And then once that file is committed, it's just GitOps all the way down. |
[619.38 --> 623.62] Like your access gets granted in GitHub, your access gets granted in Slack, all of that. |
[624.20 --> 628.18] Why don't we do that for all of these services that the CNCF is like hosting? |
[628.52 --> 630.40] Right now, it's still ClickOps. |
[631.08 --> 636.78] That was cool when the like the foundation was 10 projects or 15 projects or at 160. |
[637.66 --> 638.56] 160 projects? |
[638.88 --> 640.46] And we're not slowing down. |
[640.56 --> 641.86] And 12 more being added. |
[641.96 --> 642.42] That's crazy. |
[642.70 --> 643.58] Those are up for vote. |
[644.06 --> 645.92] Those are up for TOC vote. |
[645.96 --> 647.04] How many get rejected? |
[647.04 --> 649.86] I actually don't have that off the top of my head. |
[650.64 --> 654.34] I would be willing to guess sandbox wise. |
[654.46 --> 658.90] It's probably 75% acceptance rate, but please do not hold me to that right now. |
[658.90 --> 659.54] Nine out of 12 are getting in. |
[660.32 --> 660.76] Don't. |
[660.84 --> 661.56] Hey, hey, hey. |
[662.14 --> 663.34] We're not naming names. |
[663.74 --> 665.98] What is the, I guess, motivation? |
[666.14 --> 671.04] Probably might be the best word, but what does the CNCF do in terms of like you got 160 projects. |
[671.38 --> 672.38] What's the long-term goal? |
[672.42 --> 673.76] Is it to be bigger than that? |
[673.76 --> 677.16] Like what service do you provide to the cloud native world? |
[677.28 --> 679.50] Like what is it that you all do or hope to do? |
[680.72 --> 685.50] This is going to be interesting because if you ask different people in the CNCF, you might get a different answer. |
[685.62 --> 688.10] And there might be a canned response and I should know it. |
[688.10 --> 701.46] My answer is there is, aside from the couple stable patterns, like Kubernetes and the way that it has an API and like declarative over imperative stuff, everything's stable right now. |
[701.72 --> 703.36] Like that pattern is established. |
[703.86 --> 709.66] What things and what problems when consuming that pattern need to be solved? |
[709.66 --> 718.16] What, like a good example was, okay, so now we can create all of these containers and orchestrate them in a meaningful way. |
[718.28 --> 720.12] But now we have a giant distributed system. |
[720.76 --> 723.68] What do we do in order to monitor that thing? |
[723.82 --> 725.18] Well, Prometheus came out of that. |
[725.18 --> 731.08] So this is a long-winded way of saying we have this, you know, foundational technology. |
[731.26 --> 737.44] At this point, we are accepting additional projects to help flesh out what cloud native actually means. |
[737.64 --> 740.36] And the definition itself is evolving. |
[740.74 --> 740.84] Yeah. |
[740.92 --> 743.30] Like we have a bunch of WebAssembly projects. |
[743.38 --> 744.14] Well, why is that? |
[744.14 --> 754.32] Because at its core, WebAssembly is, I don't want to say just another container runtime because that would be bad, but it is another like application runtime. |
[754.82 --> 756.28] You build it a different way. |
[756.42 --> 760.06] It has a very different like look and feel than a container. |
[760.46 --> 764.70] But still like that, that idea still fits into the pattern of cloud native. |
[764.98 --> 766.52] So that still solves a problem. |
[767.38 --> 769.84] So, geez, what would I do? |
[769.84 --> 777.06] TLDR, we're accepting a bunch of projects because not all of the problems or questions have been answered in what cloud native is. |
[777.42 --> 783.04] So you're attempting to and in many ways succeeding in defining the foundation of cloud native. |
[783.20 --> 783.32] Yeah. |
[783.84 --> 790.20] And everything was originally built on Kubernetes because that's what I guess was the founding project that really kicked off. |
[790.42 --> 792.22] So we come back from the Dan Kahn days. |
[792.34 --> 794.92] Like we were early CNCF days, Michigan. |
[794.92 --> 802.04] Dan Kahn, Dan, but like we were there when it was just just two or three projects, you know, a very small CNCF, the original founding days. |
[802.50 --> 806.26] And as we see it grow and grow over time, you know, it's a lot of great stuff happening for open source. |
[806.36 --> 808.00] But, you know, you're on the inside. |
[808.08 --> 808.72] You see what's happening. |
[808.80 --> 810.76] You are in touch with all these projects. |
[810.88 --> 811.60] What is the mission? |
[812.18 --> 814.04] Like what is the end game for CNCF? |
[815.42 --> 816.90] Jeez. |
[817.22 --> 817.46] Three. |
[819.22 --> 821.54] Honestly, it's what is next? |
[821.54 --> 827.64] The definition of cloud native in a nutshell is really doing distributive computing in a repeatable way. |
[828.92 --> 831.34] I mean, that's my definition in my old noggin, right? |
[831.72 --> 835.56] But that doesn't mean always use Kubernetes. |
[836.68 --> 837.12] Sure. |
[837.28 --> 837.86] Right now. |
[837.94 --> 839.18] Hey, Kubernetes is. |
[839.62 --> 841.14] I mean, you look at all the stats. |
[841.70 --> 844.10] Adoption's still like up into the right. |
[844.18 --> 845.00] It's a hockey stick. |
[846.42 --> 850.60] That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be the same thing or it's going to be the answer. |
[850.60 --> 853.06] So, like, what is the end goal? |
[853.24 --> 863.84] We don't really have an end goal aside from if you are doing some sort of distributed computing, like trying to solve or consume or build distributed computing, distributed platforms. |
[864.40 --> 868.66] How can we do it but make sure that how it's being done is in an open source way? |
[869.02 --> 872.12] Maybe Kubernetes, you know, goes by the wayside and something else comes up. |
[872.12 --> 879.62] Maybe there is some new, like, WebAssembly orchestration platform and then everyone starts adopting that. |
[879.72 --> 881.90] We want to make sure that that's still possible. |
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