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[1216.24 --> 1217.42] Best job I've ever had.
[1217.54 --> 1219.64] And I'm not just saying that because of, you know.
[1219.80 --> 1220.46] Because it's being recorded.
[1220.72 --> 1224.70] Because it's being recorded and I'm standing in, you know, a Linux Foundation event.
[1224.70 --> 1225.18] No.
[1226.14 --> 1234.16] My not-so-brief but, honestly, short resume career, I worked at the University of Michigan for 16 years and then Red Hat for three.
[1234.90 --> 1237.56] And then I started here a year and a half ago.
[1238.16 --> 1249.54] So, out of those, not getting into, like, different departments at the university, but out of those three, you know, areas, like, or places, Linux Foundation CNCF is the best.
[1249.64 --> 1251.84] And your path came through contributing to Kubernetes?
[1252.24 --> 1252.38] Yep.
[1252.38 --> 1258.18] I actually did a little bit of contribution back in ye olde days.
[1258.50 --> 1262.70] Like, we're talking 2014 when it was just open sourced and still under a Google.
[1263.04 --> 1265.58] Like, had to sign a Google CLA to contribute to it.
[1266.54 --> 1272.48] Then my path at the university kind of took me away from it after probably a year.
[1273.12 --> 1275.94] And then I started contributing again in early 2018.
[1275.94 --> 1279.74] And wound up becoming a SIG UI chair.
[1279.98 --> 1283.46] So, the Kubernetes dashboard that, you know, some people kind of dunk on.
[1284.90 --> 1288.06] They were having, like, leadership issues.
[1288.76 --> 1292.06] They just needed someone that could kind of come in and do more PM work.
[1292.12 --> 1295.14] And also, I had a background in front-end work.
[1295.14 --> 1298.54] So, I came in and, you know, just helped them out.
[1298.62 --> 1300.80] Wound up becoming a SIG chair for a few years.
[1300.94 --> 1303.02] And then I stepped down after I mentored someone up.
[1303.70 --> 1304.82] It's a Cinderella story.
[1305.16 --> 1305.44] Nah.
[1305.54 --> 1306.64] It's a Cinderella story.
[1307.88 --> 1309.44] So, you say you like this job.
[1309.66 --> 1310.30] Love it.
[1310.52 --> 1311.52] What do you like most?
[1311.76 --> 1313.94] What is your favorite thing that you get to do every day?
[1313.94 --> 1319.54] I feel like this job actually has a real impact on people's lives.
[1320.24 --> 1326.90] When I worked at the University of Michigan, one of the things I did was informatics and, like, directly impacting patient care.
[1327.36 --> 1328.80] I loved that.
[1329.20 --> 1334.20] Like, I'm not saying patient care and open source are similar.
[1334.84 --> 1341.30] But there is definitely, you know, that impact where I know that I have helped and, like, impacted other people's lives here.
[1341.30 --> 1348.54] Similar to, like, being able to help someone's patient care just by supporting, like, a clinical app that I wrote that deals with their results.
[1349.02 --> 1350.02] Different but same.
[1350.82 --> 1354.40] That just gives me warm, fuzzy feelings because, I don't know, I'm weird.
[1355.32 --> 1355.84] No, that's cool.
[1356.16 --> 1357.38] Make the world a better place.
[1358.06 --> 1358.36] Impact.
[1358.54 --> 1359.42] Change lives.
[1359.66 --> 1362.80] I was always taught to leave the world better than you found it.
[1363.38 --> 1366.52] I'm one of those people that will make the bed in a hotel room when I'm leaving.
[1366.96 --> 1368.70] I didn't know those people existed.
[1369.44 --> 1369.90] They don't.
[1369.90 --> 1372.68] It's, I'm, okay, so I'm a psychopath, apparently?
[1375.46 --> 1377.00] It's the endowment effect.
[1377.28 --> 1378.10] That's what this is.
[1378.66 --> 1381.52] The endowment effect is that you don't wash your rental.
[1382.18 --> 1382.54] Say what?
[1382.60 --> 1384.34] You don't wash your rental car, for example.
[1384.86 --> 1385.68] It's the endowment effect.
[1385.74 --> 1388.64] If you own it, you think it's more valuable.
[1389.06 --> 1390.50] And when you don't own it, you think it's less valuable.
[1390.54 --> 1391.80] That's why we don't wash our rental cars.
[1391.90 --> 1393.34] Yeah, but he makes his bed in his hotel room.
[1393.34 --> 1393.42] I know.
[1393.64 --> 1395.26] He's the anti-endowment effect.
[1395.42 --> 1395.74] Okay.
[1396.40 --> 1397.20] The anti-enter.
[1397.20 --> 1401.34] Have either of you, I cannot, I can never remember like the social experiment or the
[1401.34 --> 1405.38] dude that did this, but do either of you know about the shopping cart?
[1405.80 --> 1407.96] Like, I don't even know what to call it.
[1408.18 --> 1408.28] No.
[1408.68 --> 1415.02] There's someone decided that you can tell whether a person was not necessarily good or bad,
[1415.02 --> 1421.86] but more focused on the whole versus the self based on what they do in a grocery store parking
[1421.86 --> 1422.14] lot.
[1422.82 --> 1426.94] Do they put their shopping cart back where they are supposed to put it or not?
[1427.36 --> 1429.06] And then you can watch people.
[1429.22 --> 1433.30] And if other people will actually take the shopping cart like someone else's and put it
[1433.30 --> 1436.64] away, it's like, they're the people that actually want to make the world a better place.
[1436.80 --> 1436.98] Yeah.
[1436.98 --> 1444.40] You know, in ye olde days, supermarkets used to employ people that would walk your stuff
[1444.40 --> 1444.92] Well, guess what?
[1445.00 --> 1445.90] ATV still does it.
[1445.90 --> 1446.20] Out to you.
[1446.28 --> 1446.92] Do they still do that?
[1447.06 --> 1447.56] Well, sorry.
[1447.80 --> 1448.62] I spoke too soon.
[1449.10 --> 1450.14] They do it for some.
[1451.02 --> 1451.42] What?
[1451.58 --> 1453.22] Well, usually for senior citizens.
[1453.34 --> 1453.56] Okay.
[1453.72 --> 1455.10] And like the pregnant people.
[1455.72 --> 1457.00] I don't know about trendy people.
[1457.20 --> 1457.58] No, pregnant.
[1459.58 --> 1460.84] They're like, nice shoes.
[1460.96 --> 1462.38] I'm going to walk your groceries out.
[1464.34 --> 1465.08] Trendy people.
[1465.08 --> 1467.64] Do you remember that back when the day?
[1468.14 --> 1469.06] Were you around back then?
[1469.54 --> 1474.90] I, yes, but I, kind of a small town in Southeast Michigan.
[1475.32 --> 1476.18] That never really happened.
[1476.42 --> 1476.68] They never did that?
[1476.78 --> 1480.74] We always, if like a senior citizen or someone that was, you know, needed help.
[1480.74 --> 1482.44] There was a position called bagger.
[1482.76 --> 1483.56] Wasn't it called bagger?
[1483.74 --> 1483.92] Yeah.
[1484.10 --> 1484.40] Yeah.