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**AnnMarie Thomas:** Oh yeah, academics, like every eight years we can... |
**Jerod Santo:** Is that a whole year? |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Mine is. I've never done a whole year. So I'm doing a whole year. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, you seem very excited about what you do, and passionate about the people you work with... So taking the actual time off seems to be a challenge. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Oh, and I'm not good at that. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** But that's okay. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We need more folks like you in education, that just -- you seem to eke out every connection and possibility, based on what I know from you. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** We aspire to do that. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, we appreciate you talking to us today. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Thank you guys for asking me to. It was fun. |
**Jerod Santo:** It's been awesome. It's all physics... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's all physics. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** It's all physics. |
**Jerod Santo:** Awesome. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Cool, thank you, guys. |
**Jerod Santo:** Thank you. |
**Break**: \[23:18\] |
**Richard Feldman:** Yeah, so I'm Richard Feldman. This is my 10th Strange Loop. I was in St. Louis when they started, so I've been to the first several... My best memory's actually from just before the pandemic. Every year we'd have ElmCon right before Strange Loop, in like the same venue... And that was awesome, beca... |
**Jerod Santo:** Has it changed a lot over the years? |
**Richard Feldman:** Definitely. Yeah. I mean, I would say what hasn't changed is kind of the theme of the conference, which I've always kind of thought of as stuff Alex Miller likes... But it's kind of like cross-pollination; it's like a little bit of art, a little bit of miscellaneous biology stuff, a little bit of p... |
I think the main thing that's changed is that it's gotten bigger and better and more ambitious over the years. The first year, it was in a theater, and there were two tracks, each one in front of a movie screen, and that was it. And I remember one of the talks was on this new thing called GitHub... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Really? |
**Richard Feldman:** Yeah. I was like "What is this?" We were using Subversion at work at the time; not even Git yet. So I was like "Alright, this is an interesting pitch. It looks kind of like a neat tool." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Was that 2009 then, or...? |
**Richard Feldman:** I think that was 2009. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** 2009. If it was 2010, that would have been behind. |
**Richard Feldman:** Yeah. So Alex was telling me that he was pulling up some pictures from then and he saw me in one of the 2009 photos... So I guess I'll be in a slideshow later. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's cool. |
**Richard Feldman:** But yeah, I've spoken here three times, I did all the Elm conferences, I spoke at all those... So I have a lot of memories as a speaker, as well as as a participant. |
**Jerod Santo:** Awesome. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What will you miss most? |
**Richard Feldman:** Oh, definitely just all the people coming together in one place. Since I got here, I've just been going from one interruption to another. I'll run into someone I know, start having a conversation, and then I'll see somebody else, like "Hey! Let's go--" And it's just nonstop, back to back, since I'v... |
**Jerod Santo:** So you've also changed over the years... |
**Richard Feldman:** True. |
**Jerod Santo:** We've had you on the show years ago. |
**Richard Feldman:** Yeah. For Elm stuff. |
**Jerod Santo:** You were like the Elm guy. You were like Elm's unofficial official representative... |
**Richard Feldman:** \[laughs\] I gave a lot of Elm talk, that's for sure. |
**Jerod Santo:** A lot of Elm, and now you're not doing Elm. |
**Richard Feldman:** Yeah, so I'm working on an Elm-inspired programming language. It gives you an Elm-like experience, but in other use cases. So Elm is really like browser-based UIs, and Roc is the language I've been working on, and it's very focused on other use cases. Like command line apps, servers... I like to th... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, tell me about servers, and TUIs. How does that work? |
**Richard Feldman:** Very simple. I mean, if you want to build a server in Roc, we have this -- we're not going into a lot of detail on it, but... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So you could build a TUI and a server in the same language? |
**Richard Feldman:** If you wanted to, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. |
**Richard Feldman:** \[28:04\] So we have this concept called platforms and applications. The basic idea is whatever you're about to build, you're saying, "I'm gonna build an application in Roc", you always have to pick a platform to build on. Exactly one. And a platform feels to you as a user kind of like a framework,... |
So the idea is that on the Roc platform, the platform says "I'm gonna be both a framework, and also like, here's just the primitives that makes sense in this use case." So if you're doing like a TUI, then somebody can make a platform for just that, that's got APIs that makes sense for that. And a server - same thing, j... |
**Jerod Santo:** So is Roc a platform to make money? |
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