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**AnnMarie Thomas:** Or clapping or \[unintelligible 00:14:49.16\] we broke up five animated films in the individual frames, so we had about 15,000 coloring sheets... Or maybe less; we need to do the math. Thousands and thousands of coloring sheets... Which is a non-trivial software challenge it turns out, to then turn... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. I noticed the edge moved around a little bit, and I thought it was either artistically done, or that's just what you had to work with. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** I'll be honest, you were seeing two videos. So what you saw was an animation where we cut the square with the coloring on each sheet; digitally we cut those out and turned that into a rectangular film. We then had another set of footage that was the animation pegs, that we actually used, but just n... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Gotcha. Okay. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** We had to do that, because for that one -- because of COVID, a lot of people couldn't mail back their stuff. So some of them were digital and some were filmed. And so to make it so they were seamless, we had to do both, and then combine. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[16:18\] How does this project live now? I know it's digital, it's an artifact... |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** That's right. The five songs you can find on Spotify, and then the six music videos and the documentary about how the whole project happened you can find on OK Go's sandbox. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. What about all the drawings and things like that? Should it be like a mini museum, or something like that? |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Yeah, I mean, I have cases of drawings, and we've been talking about what to do with them. We'll see. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I think about that stuff. I have a hard time letting that stuff go from projects... |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** We save it all. And the band saves a lot of their stuff. So we have artifacts. And one of them we've done postcards that were put in a giant praxinoscope for Yuri's Night. And then those postcards were launched on when one of Blue Origin's New Shepard launches. Those postcards that went back to the... |
**Jerod Santo:** So their postcards went to space and back... |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** And then back to them, to the school. |
**Jerod Santo:** And back to them. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Yeah. And were used in a video... Yeah, not bad. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's pretty cool. I'd be just totally geeked out if I was a kid in school and that happened to my postcard, right? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, like "This has been to space...!" |
**Jerod Santo:** "This thing went to space and came back to me." |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Wow. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** We had done a project too where we had his design and art experiment. Because OK Go does a video that looks like they're in zero gravity, but they're not. They're in microgravity on a vomit comet, so a plane flying parabolas. We did art in space, which was -- OK Go didn't actually send their stuff ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Huh. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's cool. Yeah. Any more projects like this in the work with OK Go's sandbox, or OK Go directly? |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** I mean, OK Go - yeah, they'll have some stuff coming. They just released a great new song. Damien and his wife had a movie that they directed, the Vini Bubble, and they did a song for that. There's a visualizer. So OK Go sandbox should put something out about that... So yeah, a little thing will co... |
In terms of big new things, there's definitely discussions. The band - they have new music coming out, so we'll see where that goes... I'm on sabbatical this year, so I'm working on some children's museum exhibits, and then doing a lot of work in the deaf community has been a big focus, and working with a company in De... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** This OK Go sandbox, is it a 501(C)3? Can people give to it? If they care about what you're doing, how can they support it? |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Yeah, no, it's a project. My university is a nonprofit. So it's a project of the University of St. Thomas, Playful Learning Lab, in collaboration with OK Go. So yeah, funds that come to us -- so we could do it thanks to amazing corporate sponsors and individuals... And yeah, we never knew where tha... |
**Jerod Santo:** What did you think when you got invited to do a software conference keynote? |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** I was so nervous. I've been so nervous. I've heard of this conference before, and if you read the rules, it's all like your talk should not be about process, it should be... And I was panicking. Like non-stop panicking about it. I was talking to some programmer friends, I'm like "I think they asked... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[20:00\] How did you like how Alex introduced you? His process to find keynoters, and how he found someone like you. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** That was lovely. I was so delighted when I got Alex's email. So that was... Yup. |
**Jerod Santo:** So sabbatical... You said a little bit about what you're working on now, but what's next, or what's coming? |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** You know, a couple of things. We're finishing up some papers... We've just finished a huge computer science project; well, we're still in the middle of it, with the deaf community... So we've been working for over 10 years at Metro Deaf School, which is a PK through 12 charter -- actually, a birth ... |
But we also, this summer, thanks to Google, we had a grant to look at computer science the past year, and so we've been working on videos that are interpreted in American Sign Language by an amazing deaf woman... So deaf interpreted as well, on programming with the Scratch language, so that this fantastic curriculum ou... |
I'm trying to learn some new things... So I've been deep-diving into magic. I've been doing a lot of work on that. I am working on some children's museum exhibits, which is always a blast... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** ...and I'm doing some work with Lego as a consultant. So I fly to Denmark once a month and hang out with the team over in Billund... |
**Jerod Santo:** Cool. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Yup. And then my personal goal is trapeze, so just this weekend I got asked to join my first flying trapeze team, so I'm training for a show... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No way. Oh, my gosh. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Yeah. Middle-aged mom on the trapeze. |
**Jerod Santo:** So a magician wasn't enough... You're like "You know what, I'm more of a trapeze artist/magician..." |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** It's all physics... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Did you say sabbatical from, or just sabbatical in general? |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Sabbatical from. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. Because your version of sabbatical sounds like a lot of work to me... |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Well, a sabbatical for an academic is -- well, you're paid half your salary for the year, basically, and you're doing things that further you as a professor. But you don't have to go to all the faculty meetings, or teach. And I usually teach between six and nine courses a year, and I'm actually a b... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I see. |
**AnnMarie Thomas:** Yeah. I still have my advisees, but... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Some people mean sabbatical differently, like they're searching for their next thing... I think that's why you probably asked that, Jerod, like what's next for you. I didn't know that's how it works for -- |
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