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**Jerod Santo:** That's cool. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah. And that doesn't get interpreted as a word, because it's just a noise. I'm pretty sure that's what airplane pilots do too, to hold the airspace. I think. That's what he tells me, so... |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Does he get confused later in life, and like he's talking to you, and he's thinking, and his eyeing when he's talking to you, but not the computer? Does it occur in his everyday speech? |
**Pokey Rule:** No, this guy talks like nonstop. He's a machine. There's no pauses. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, I was wondering, a lot of us, we work to remove filler words from our language... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, and he's adding them. |
**Jerod Santo:** He's adding them back in. I would use "like". |
**Pokey Rule:** You can actually map a command to do nothing. So if you want it, you can map like to -- it's called skip, and... |
**Jerod Santo:** I wouldn't want to, because then I'd say "like" way too many times. |
**Pokey Rule:** That's true. But it is true, you do get bleedover. For example, I was like biking along a crowded canal towpath, so there's all these pedestrians I've gotta get around. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You're like "Spike, spike!" |
**Pokey Rule:** So I'm a polite cyclist, so I keep saying "On your left! On your left!" And there was a part of my brain... I'd just been like on a marathon coding session. I go "On your left!" I get to the next one, and I want it to pop, to repeat it. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] You should have popped in there. |
**Pokey Rule:** I was like "Why can't I do that?" |
**Jerod Santo:** They're like "Why is this guy clicking at us, or popping at us?" |
**Pokey Rule:** "What's wrong with this guy?" \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's funny... |
**Jerod Santo:** You'll end up on some gal's TikTok, where they dis guys who are hitting on them. Like "This guy is popping as he drives past us." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, speaking of TikTok, I have an idea. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, let's hear it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think that TikTok is a prime place to blow up something like this. And I think if you took the idea that Jerod kind of gave you earlier, which was like do it in song, basically... |
**Pokey Rule:** Okay, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** If you can do some TikToks where you're like -- it sounds like you're doing it to a beat maybe even... One video is like "Guess what? I just coded." And the next one is like the screen of you -- I don't know, I'm like designing how you do it... |
**Pokey Rule:** It sounds like music, and then it turns out... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You can use that as a virality thing, to be like -- because TikTok loves interesting. |
**Pokey Rule:** I like that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Strange and interesting. And this is Strange Loop, so why not, right? |
**Pokey Rule:** That's not a bad idea. Yeah, so I gave a talk a few months ago, at like an art conference. Basically, I took some voice commands, and I just read them out as if it was poetry, and then I had the screen come up behind me, and like gradually faded, and show like all this stuff that was flying around. So t... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** A slight credit... "Hey, listen to my friends over here, on this podcast..." |
**Pokey Rule:** Okay, I'll give you a shout-out. |
**Jerod Santo:** I feel like him doing that loop to music - like, we kind of already own that, so... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, that's fair. Alright, we'll work something out. |
**Jerod Santo:** Fractional penny, you know? |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah. \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Awesome. Anything else, Adam? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm clear. I love it, man. |
**Jerod Santo:** I kind of want to try it. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, you should. It's Cursorless. Look it up. |
**Jerod Santo:** Cursorless. I'll definitely check it out. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm definitely saying "Cancel, cancel, cancel", so I'm halfway there. |
**Pokey Rule:** I mean, that's pretty much it. That's half the battle. |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm gonna go home work on my clicks and my pops. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And your cats and your caps. |
**Pokey Rule:** That's right. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, thanks for sharing that with us. Pretty cool. |
**Pokey Rule:** Yeah, thank you so much for having me. Cool. |
**Jerod Santo:** That was fun. |
\[01:12:38.26\] |
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