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**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. So just to make it clear, this was not the jujitsu winner joins, or winner -- it wasn't one of those things, like whoever wins...? \[laughter\] |
**Steve Francis:** It was a challenge match, but I lost, so I got to be CEO. \[laughter\] |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah, loser is CEO. \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. So I don't remember exactly where I've seen this, but apparently you, Andrew, have something in common with MMA. Is that true, or are those just rumors? |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Oh, yeah, that's true. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** \[05:53\] So I was competing in mixed martial arts. I was training in San Jose, California. That's what I thought I was going to do. And long story short, I ended up deciding that I'm going to go back to school, and I got into UCSB for physics. And so that's what actually brought me out here to Sant... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Called Steve? |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Steve. Yes. Called Steve. \[laughter\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Wow... Okay, I just guessed it. I've only seen the head, by the way. Nothing else. Wow, okay... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** And so -- yeah, from there, I kind of got away from mixed martial arts, just because I thought that if I'm going to do things like with technology and whatnot, getting hit in the head probably isn't a good thing. In fact, in college I did a study on it. That was one of my reports, or whatever... And... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Right. Who would have thought that? |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So I decided I wasn't going to necessarily compete ever again in mixed martial arts. I have three kids... It doesn't make sense. It's probably not responsible of me. I still do very much love the sport, and I still very much train for it, but... Yeah, competition da... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I see. Okay. Okay. So tech it is. That sounds like a very sensible choice to me. Okay. So I'm just wondering, when there's an argument, do you ever settle it by jujitsu, I mean between the two of you, ever? Has it ever happened? \[laughter\] |
**Andrew Rynhard:** It would be fun to say yes, but actually, we've never really had an argument, to be honest. I'm not even lying here. we get along very well. Again, going back - jujitsu, it teaches you a lot. I think martial arts in general teaches you a lot. It teaches you how to be confident, how to avoid confront... |
**Steve Francis:** Yeah. I mean, I would summarize the thing that jujitsu teaches you in a short term is you respect everyone but you're intimidated by no one. Whether they're above you in a hierarchy, in a business sense, you can respect them, but you don't get intimidated. You still speak your mind, or whatever. And ... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah. That's great. I've never been able to -- Steve is like my translator oftentimes. He's much better with words. That's perfect. Exactly. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. Well, I find it's fascinating how from jujitsu sparring partners, or sharing the same gym, you know... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah, you could call it sparring partners. Yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Very nice. Okay. Now, speaking about partners, I want to give a shout-out to two people that helped me navigate Talos OS. When it was ready, they were there. And this has been, as I mentioned, years in the making. Now, Georgie... How do you pronounce his surname? I'm not sure. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** That is a great question. I'm not sure I ever said it out loud... \[laughter\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Alright... Frezbo! Frezbo! |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yes, there you go, Frezbo. \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[09:55\] Alright, so his surname is Frezbo. So Noel, thank you very much for all your help in the Slack. I mean, some of those answers were spot on. And of course, Andrey Smirnov, because he's everywhere, right? So Andrey is everywhere. So thanks, guys. I really appreciate it. |
**Steve Francis:** I mean, all our staff are amazing. We have an amazing team. They're all really good. But yeah, Andre is -- I don't know how he does all the engineering work he does, because he is also extremely helpful in the community Slack. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah. I think it really helps to feed that... Being close to your users, it helps you figure out what is missing. I mean, that's such a great approach. Okay. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah. And it's just about being genuine too, I think. if you're gonna do open source, you should have, you should be genuinely concerned about the people that are using your product. Otherwise, open source becomes theatrics, in my opinion. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's right. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** We do open source because we want to be helpful. Of course, as a business we want to also make money... |
**Steve Francis:** \[laughs\] Which is not really Andrey's view from a few years ago. A few years ago Andrey was like "No, we're pure open source. We're never gonna charge for anything." |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I have noticed that, by the way. I have noticed that. That was very interesting. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah. There has been a bit of a transition there, of course... But yeah, it's just about being genuine, and I think those two -- to Steve's point, our whole team is really good about that... But those two in particular seem to be more public about it. We're all genuinely wanting to make a really gre... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So back to my conundrum - again, first-hand experience; this was not set up... "One day I decided I'll go for this, and I'll see what happens next", which is one of my favorite approaches. So given a few bare metal hosts, with fast local SSD storage, the quickest way for me to get Kubernetes was Talos... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** What does that do, is that the question? |
**Gerhard Lazu:** No, what is the next one? There's three commands to run to get a node after it has booted to have Kubernetes on it. The first one is to gen the config. The second one is... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Apply config. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Correct. |
**Steve Francis:** --insecure. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yes, always. \[laughter\] Why? Why is it insecure? That's a very interesting point. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Well, at that point, we have no PKI. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Hmm, okay. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** We have no certs on them. The configuration files that you just generated - they are not present on Talos, so we don't know how to secure the API yet. And so it's just sitting there, saying, "Hey, give me a configuration file. And once you give it to me, I'll secure myself on these ports." |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. That's a great one. The last command. It starts with a B. |
**Steve Francis:** Bootstrap. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's the one. That's it. Three commands. |
**Steve Francis:** Bootstrap etcd. That's it, yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Apply config bootstrap. And that's it. That's all it takes to get Kubernetes on a bare metal node. And by the way, this is open source. There's nothing to pay. Anyone can do this. I was so impressed, like -- |
**Steve Francis:** A lot of people do. \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** And a lot of people do, exactly. So as simple as this sounds, I'm sure there's like a big story behind it to get to this simplicity. Who would like to start? |
**Steve Francis:** Well, this is Andrew's story. |
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