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**Autumn Nash:** ...their tech trouble uncle. Yeah. You won't necessarily teach them to do bad things, but like, I'm going to have Raspberry Pi's all over my house, running some \[unintelligible 01:09:14.15\] somewhere. |
**Justin Garrison:** Like, "What is this Python script doing?" "Don't worry about it, mom." |
**Autumn Nash:** Exactly. |
**Justin Garrison:** Where'd the bandwidth go? "I don't know..." |
**Autumn Nash:** I was submitting my talk for Scale, and they're like "Do we get to meet Uncle Justin?" |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, that's right. I mean, we can finish up this conversation, but I -- I wanna outro on some of that stuff, too. But I do think that data centers are going through a big phase right now, but they're having not only a resurgence for some people just thinking about them, but also like their impact.... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[01:10:04.27\] I love innovation, but I just hope that we can really look at where the innovation is going to take us and try to be responsible... Because I love tech, but I also love outside, and not dying of heat. You know what I mean? Can we, like, in the middle? There's a website you can look at w... |
**Justin Garrison:** And it's not even -- like, they don't have insulation. The AC is not helping if it's all just going to go outside. |
**Autumn Nash:** My house is built in a way that has in floor heating, so it isn't even -- like, there's no ducts in my house. Like, it's not even possible to get -- there's one AC unit to cool the whole... Because it wasn't a thought. Nobody thought we were going to need AC. |
**Justin Garrison:** You're never going to get that hot. Why do you need it? You open the window. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. It was like "Oh, you'll get two 90-degree days and it's fine." |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, it's fine. Put on a fan. |
**Autumn Nash:** And we've been dying the last couple of summers. Like, it is so hot... It's wild. We're going to have to come up with these crazy, very creative ways to put AC in my house, and it's going to cost so much money, because it was not built to have AC. |
**Justin Garrison:** My house has really good insulation. When we moved in, I was just like "Oh, actually, I've never had a house that had this good of insulation places." And the fact that we don't have to run the AC all that often, even when it's 100 degrees outside in Southern California, I'm like "Oh, actually, thi... |
**Autumn Nash:** That's something that people don't think about. And you can get your insulation reblown. They can come and blow insulation into your walls. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. \[unintelligible 01:12:04.29\] I was like "Actually, you just want to keep the temperature difference from outside not coming in." |
**Autumn Nash:** Downstairs in my house, because it's built into like a mountain, so one floor of my house is -- |
**Justin Garrison:** Half underground? |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes. So my bedroom is downstairs, and my guestroom, and my office and stuff... It is a completely different temperature downstairs than upstairs. |
**Justin Garrison:** A different ecosystem a foot underground. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes, it is wild. And it's like, my room is so cool, and my kids' room will be so hot that they'll end up sleeping downstairs for like half the summer. |
**Justin Garrison:** So data centers underground... |
**Autumn Nash:** Well, it's interesting, but I just hope we also don't -- like, let's not go overboard and heat up the ground and ocean... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, we're creating a lot of heat, and we're consuming a lot of energy. And the closer we can get people to the heat and the energy that they're having a cause for, I think is important for a lot of people just to understand. \[unintelligible 01:12:56.28\] carbon footprint calculators, right? We'r... |
**Autumn Nash:** I do really love technology and using it, so there's no shade, and I am definitely a part of the problem... You know what I mean? So it's not like -- I'm not looking down on any of it. But I hope that we can find a balance, because I do want to leave a decent Earth to my children, and be able to go out... |
**Justin Garrison:** I set a personal screen time on my phone, to like "Do not be on social media more than this much every day." And actually, sometimes I skip it. But you know what? It does help me to like "Hey, you've actually already been on for two hours. You can just sign off now, and you can go do something else... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's also just bad for your brain \[unintelligible 01:13:51.25\] |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah... You know, there's a lot of things. |
**Autumn Nash:** We should shout out Scale, because... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, before we go - the Scale CFP is coming up. Scale is Southern California Linux Expo. You can find it at SoCalLinuxExpo.org. I help organize that, as well as the Kubernetes cloud-native track for it. But the CFP is open. If you want to come to Pasadena in March next year, feel free to fill out ... |
**Autumn Nash:** They're very reasonable. And you can bring your kids. They have a whole kids track... It's very family-friendly. |
**Justin Garrison:** They have a game night, and Autumn, your kids are going to love the family game night, which is Saturday night. |
**Autumn Nash:** They're just going to love chasing you around the convention center. |
**Justin Garrison:** It's a lot of fun for everyone, so I'm excited. They have a kids track if your kids want to speak. My son gave his first conference talk... |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm tired already, but I'm so excited. It's like nerd summer camp. It is the coolest conference I've ever been to. They're such kind, nice people... The Kubernetes crowd is -- they're fire. I don't know if I want to run Kubernetes \[unintelligible 01:14:57.10\] but fire, though. |
**Justin Garrison:** And there are a couple of other conferences. I'm going to All Things Open, which is in Raleigh, in October, which is going to be awesome. I have a talk there. |
**Autumn Nash:** You're also going to London, and I'm super-jealous. |
**Justin Garrison:** I am going to London; actually, I'll be back from London when this episode airs. And then also, KubeCon North America has like a bajillion conferences next to it. It's in Salt Lake City in November, and I also have a talk there, so I'm going to Salt Lake City. |
So if anyone's going to either of those, feel free to shout out, let me know if you're going to be there. I'd love to meet in person. And yeah, we'll talk to everyone soon. |
**Autumn Nash:** Bye, everyone. |
**Justin Garrison:** Bye. |
• Changelog is shutting down Ship It and other shows |
• Justin Garrison and Autumn Nash are starting a new show called Fork Around and Find Out |
• The new show will be available at fafo.fm and will have a similar format to Ship It |
• The hosts want to make the new show sustainable without charging listeners for premium content |
• Phillip Carter, a principal PM at Honeycomb, is their guest on this episode |
• Legacy .NET and its branding issues |
• Evolution of software development methodologies and tools |
• Author's experience working on .NET Core (now .NET) as a PM and engineer |
• Importance of empathy in developer tools and staying technical as a PM |
• Transition from big tech to startup world and adapting to new environments |
• Honest and truthful opinions vs. sugarcoating experiences |
• .NET fork called Mono was its own open source project |
• Relationship between Microsoft's .NET team and Mono project founders Miguel and Nat was complex, but surprisingly well-treated by Microsoft |
• Microsoft acquired Xamarin, which allowed for unification of runtimes and improved performance characteristics |
• Modern Java has impressive engineering system with advancements in profilers and garbage collectors |
• Java has made significant progress in performance improvements, becoming competitive with other languages like C++ |
• The team's work on .NET and its capabilities |
• Phillip Carter's experience working at Microsoft and his move to Honeycomb |
• The observability tool market and Honeycomb's unique approach |
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