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**Autumn Nash:** Do you feel like we're still going to be able to achieve that for people in this market the way that tech is like changing? Because I'm really worried that it won't be that easy for people that didn't go to college, or people that are philosophy majors; this new market, people with 20 years of experien... |
**David Beale:** Look, there's always going to be jobs. I mean, if you're worried about AI, be a DevOps engineer. Like, the lights have got to stay on. The compute's got to be there. Those GPUs have to be scaled one way or another. I think tech is pretty self-healing, and has been for a long time. |
**Justin Garrison:** As long as you're willing to adjust. Because that's the thing... I won't say it's not a stable job; it's not a consistent job. And the thing I was doing 20 years ago - I was at a terminal on Linux, but I was being paid for a different skillset than what I'm being paid for now. And those things adju... |
**Autumn Nash:** I think that's one of the things that it hits my neuro ADHD. I love learning new things. It also freaks my anxiety out, but I love the fact that you constantly get to learn new things, and that you get to be like a forever learner in tech, you know? |
**David Beale:** Yeah. I think my sort of neuro ADHD anxiety stuff is like two sides of the same coin. And if I'm excited about something enough, I'm going to get so anxious about it that I actually start to feel awesome. And that's kind of where I'm always trying to get. I don't know, there's always going to be cool p... |
**Autumn Nash:** What's your favorite startup job? Because you worked at so many. Did you have one that you maybe learned the most at, and one that was the most fun? Or are those the same job? |
**David Beale:** You know, I'd probably say Lua... And I wasn't there for a super-long time, but I was there long enough to really catch the bug with like Kubernetes, and distributed computing. I never got to open source it, but I wrote, I think, the first distributed Erlang virtual machine on Kubernetes. So I actually... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[56:18\] That Venn diagram is pretty small for that overlap, right? You can pick one or the other, but yeah. |
**David Beale:** Yeah, unfortunately. But I think that was probably my favorite one. I hope to eventually be a founder, or co-founder of a startup, so I'm going to say that will be my favorite one... It just hasn't happened yet. |
**Autumn Nash:** That's awesome. I'd love that for you. I'm also really excited about your channel and all that stuff, because I feel like it's the coolest when people just kind of pass down knowledge, and do it in a way that's accessible... Because it's like, you're helping the next person. That's like one of my favor... |
**David Beale:** Definitely. Yeah. I hope I don't disappoint. |
**Justin Garrison:** David, thank you so much for coming on the show. Where can people find you online? |
**David Beale:** Absolutely. The pleasure was mine. You can find me on LinkedIn, David Beale. I think it's just dbealejr is the username. You can find me on Instagram, d.beale\_, if you want to see a lot of pictures of drums and my wife and kid... And yeah, that should be a good starting point. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, we'll put it in the show notes, and thanks so much for your time. |
**David Beale:** Awesome. See you guys. |
**Break**: \[57:27\] |
**Justin Garrison:** Thank you so much, David, for coming on the episode and talking to us all about a lot of things... Like, your career in technology, how you got into it, things you're still interested in... I love that the thread of skateboarding and music and just figuring things out was just kind of constant thro... |
**Autumn Nash:** That was a fun interview. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. Today on the show for the outro we have some links. And Autumn, I think you you came up with both of these. Why don't you tell us about them, and we'll discuss? |
**Autumn Nash:** I think it's interesting seeing the amount of money that big cloud companies and big tech are investing in the new ways to build data centers. I think Microsoft and AWS are built are investing hundreds of thousands dollars into new data centers... And with the uptick in AI and data and compute power, d... |
So one was a data center would be powered by the three nuclear reactors. So Oracle is proposing a design of data centers that are powered by three nuclear reactors. And I don't know if people have heard it, but Bill Gates has been really big on like nuclear power is cleaner, and all that good stuff. It also, for me, fe... |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, I mean, I think the fear of nuclear - it has been very generational. And Bill has been one of those advocates for -- I feel like Bill and I are just on a first name basis... |
**Autumn Nash:** You are, totally. |
**Justin Garrison:** Mr. Gates. He's been talking about like the new ways of doing it is not like the old ways. And a lot of the things that we had problems with in the past... Because these power plants exist for literally decades and decades, and they're around for 50 or more years. And the things we knew about this ... |
I don't know enough of the details about that as a clean energy source to be like "Yeah, we should totally do it." But I have solar powers on my house now, and I'm trying to contribute in those sorts of ways. But beyond doing that for like these large "We just need more power in an area", I think we've been trying to f... |
I think one of the fascinating things is the disconnect people have with all of these large cloud providers creating these gigantic data centers, and the disconnect of that - like, the cloud runs on prem. That is a thing that exists. And when people say "Oh, Oracle is going to make three new regions", those are physica... |
And then everyone's like "I'm allergic to running a computer. I don't want to touch a computer." And it's like, actually, data centers exist all over. And you don't have to build it from scratch, and come up with fancy power. You could just go buy a box and ship it to someone, and they'll rack and stack, and network, a... |
**Autumn Nash:** But I also think it's not just cost, though. We were just talking about last week - how hot was it where you were? Wasn't it like a hundred and fifteen? |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** And Seattle does not do well with heat, because we're not used to it. And you have fires, you said your car was covered in ash... |
**Justin Garrison:** Covered in ash, yeah, yesterday. |
**Autumn Nash:** ...and it was super-smoky up here, and we're not getting enough rain... And it's like, we are contributing to this heat. We had a link the other day that said people were running a lot of AI workloads at night because of the heat and how much faster it would run. |
**Justin Garrison:** The Meta paper. Yeah, the LLaMA paper was all about -- like, it was like a two percent performance improvement if you just ran it at night. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. So if you just think about it... So that kind of moves into the next one, where - there's a proposal for building data centers underwater. And I guess this advisory board or government regulators didn't know about this new design. And a lot of people are pushing towards creative ways to build dat... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[01:06:14.21\] Is it still called the cloud? |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah, is it then like a coral? I don't know. But then you start to think about it, like "Are we going to heat up the ocean?" |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. That's like another metric of like the Earth heating up, is like actually the ocean ambient temperature is heated up. And granted, there are -- like, it's more efficient at dissipating heat, and the air is actually really terrible at it. And it's another thing that I keep thinking of, even in... |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah, because you're heating up your own office. |
**Justin Garrison:** Exactly. I'm like "I'm sweating in here", because I have eight computers on right now. You know what? I can turn off a couple of these computers. I don't need them running right now. I don't need to run that workload. And touching metal to me has been really great over the past couple of years to j... |
Back in the day, my computer room -- people had computer rooms, and you'd go turn off the computer at night, because you're like "Well, it doesn't need to be on. It's going to heat up the room. We'll turn it off." |
**Autumn Nash:** Well, just in my office, when I have both laptops and the screens running, it'll be like not very warm outside, and all of a sudden you're just like "Dude, it's very hot in here." It also makes me cringe a little bit when startups come and tell me about their startups, or like people ask for advice... ... |
**Justin Garrison:** I had an old desktop behind my dad's dresser for like three years while I was at college, running... What was it? It was an Unreal Tournament server. |
**Autumn Nash:** Behind his dresser -- |
**Justin Garrison:** He didn't know about it. I plugged it in -- like, that's where the outlet was. And there happened to be a network cable. I'm like "Oh, my gosh." I literally just like put a desktop back there. He never knew about it. |
**Autumn Nash:** Justin...! |
**Justin Garrison:** He moved out of the house and he's like "What's this computer?" "Oh, yeah. I forgot about that." I ran it for three years in his house. |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh, the mom in me just... Why are you like this? This is also why my kids love you so much. |
**Justin Garrison:** This was before Raspberry Pi's. We had big computers that we just had to -- |
**Autumn Nash:** You're like -- you know that one uncle that your kids love to get in trouble with? But you're like -- |
**Justin Garrison:** Let's them get in trouble? |
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