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**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And this episode is called "Shipping in SPAAACEE!" I just wanted to do that really loud... \[laughs\] |
**Autumn Nash:** Be ready for the Justin dad jokes that will come from this. |
**Justin Garrison:** It's going to be -- well, you know, Andrew gave me some dad jokes, too. It wasn't just me. But I know I have some, so... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[laughs\] like how you're trying to pretend like it wasn't like your idea, and you didn't fool Andrew into the dad jokes... |
**Justin Garrison:** You know, dads kind of orbit each other... And so we just -- we'd have a gravity, and... \[laughter\] And that's how we start the show. So... |
**Autumn Nash:** That's such a dad joke. |
**Justin Garrison:** We want to start the shows with giving y'all links to some neat things. We've found some - not news, necessarily. This isn't a news show, this is really about the infrastructure and people that build and maintain infrastructure, and today's episode is all about infrastructure and code that's runnin... |
Right now, we wanted to go into a couple links that we thought you all might like. And so I'm going to start first... And it's a blog post from SST, which is a full stack deployment tool for deploying applications on top of AWS. And this was a really fascinating article from January 29th 2024, about moving away from th... |
Autumn, I know you've used a lot of CloudFormation, currently and in the past... And you don't have to get into all the details of your feelings about it, but... Yeah, I've found it really cool that they laid it all out, just like "We're done. We're not going to try to hack around this anymore." |
**Autumn Nash:** I think it's interesting to learn people's whys of why they pick different infrastructure, and why they make those choices. My link is about deep fake scammers walking away with $25 million in the first of a kind AI heist, which I think is extra interesting being that Open AI released Sora this week...... |
It's kind of amazing, because it was a multiperson video, in a multiperson video conference, where it was fabricated images and individuals... So it's not like it was a video that somebody just gave, and they just assumed it too. They like actually used this in a video conference, and posed as like bank officials to ge... |
I mean, there were Taylor Swift pictures of her doing not appropriate things, or whatever you would call it, and they made these fake pictures, and even though places like Open AI, and Sora, and these different AI companies are saying "We're gonna have all these guardrails", how long until people learn to pick just wha... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[06:00\] Tools are tools, and they can be used for both. This article specifically, I heard another breakdown of what at least they thought happened, or what came out from happening... Because I know at least the original article didn't say what bank it was, or why, but basically, someone had acce... |
**Autumn Nash:** That's a scary thing, because they didn't even need real accounts. They could have found one person, and if you have somebody high enough level, they would have had a way to do a wire transfer... Because they're thinking that their boss, or a CTO, or these high-level officials are giving them these dir... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, and even all of the guardrails and laws that we might have in this country - that doesn't apply when someone's calling from another country, or... |
**Autumn Nash:** Exactly. And not just that, but what happens when countries weaponize this? You know what I mean? Like, it would be very easy for two countries to weaponize us against each. All you need is one fake video of a public government official from another country to start a war. So that in itself is very sca... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. For sure. At some point there's real people and real money on the line. |
**Autumn Nash:** Exactly. It's not just servers... You know? |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, fascinating. I'm interested to just keep following these sorts of things, as I'm 100% positive this is not the last time we're gonna hear of AI being involved in either scamming, or some sort of heist, or money being stolen... And especially -- $25 million is a lot, but I don't think that's g... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's amazing. Every time I see anything, I'm like "This is gonna be so cool. You could use it for this, you can use it for that..." Can you imagine as a little kid being able to think up a story and then telling a computer "Hey, go act this out with my favorite cartoon characters." That is wild! But at... |
**Justin Garrison:** The good and the bad, right? Because I hear so much around like AI for education, and for helping like a kid who needs this very specific, either special needs, or special tutoring to say "Hey, I need someone to explain this to me the way I understand it." And that's super-powerful, because the tea... |
**Autumn Nash:** Just like at a point -- like, I love BeautifulSoup as a Python library, and I love Twitter, but people were doing horrible things with scraping the internet and then having chatbots regurgitated on Twitter, and use it to be hateful... Which you could also post a bunch of really cool things you're inter... |
**Justin Garrison:** Alright, well, let's jump right into the interview, because I'm sure everyone wants to hear from Andrew about what it's like to run software on satellites in space... And we're gonna jump right into that and we'll see you afterwards. |
**Break:** \[10:31\] |
**Justin Garrison:** Alright, thank you so much, Andrew Guenther for being on the show today. And today, we're talking all about shipping in space. Welcome to the show. My first question is when you have some code that's running in space on a rocket ship, and if it's a class that maybe is undeclared... Is that an unide... |
**Andrew Guenther:** Oh, that's a boo. That's a boo for me, dawg. \[laughter\] |
**Autumn Nash:** We don't even have all the context here. What do you do with these? I have so many questions. |
**Justin Garrison:** I literally was up last night, and I thought of that. I woke up and I was like "That's the joke", and I'm like "Oh, I'm such a dad." Anyway. |
**Autumn Nash:** He didn't wake up with a line of code, he woke up with a dad joke about space. Like, I love it. |
**Andrew Guenther:** I get that though. We all go through that phase. |
**Autumn Nash:** \[laughs\] He's like "I feel you. It's okay." |
**Justin Garrison:** So anyway, bad jokes aside... Andrew, tell us about yourself and what you were doing at Orbital Sidekick. |
**Andrew Guenther:** Yeah, for sure. So I'm Andrew Guenther, I work for a company called Orbital Sidekick... So Orbital Sidekick operates a constellation of hyperspectral imaging satellites. And basically, what that means is they have these cameras that can see way outside of the visible spectrum of light, so they can ... |
Their primary market right now is customers like oil and gas, who are like "Hey, let us know if our pipelines are leaking." So OSK basically processes their own imagery, determines where leak sites are, and forwards those on to customers. They have customers in government, who buy raw imagery looking to expand out into... |
A little bit more about me... So I am principal software engineer at Orbital Sidekick. Prior to that, I worked at AWS for seven years... So basically, I left AWS, joined OSK as lucky employee number 13, and got to build a lot of their ground segments systems from the ground up. As time went on, I got to be a little bit... |
**Justin Garrison:** And hopefully not physical fires. I mean, these are spaceships and rockets... |
**Andrew Guenther:** No, thankfully no physical fires. |
**Autumn Nash:** Okay, we just became best friends. I'm so excited right now. \[laughter\] I'm trying to parse the amount of questions in my brain, because that's how excited I am. So you're building the software that processes the images, but also, are you building the software that is on the satellites? |
**Andrew Guenther:** So it's interesting... OSK company of about 30 people. |
**Autumn Nash:** Do you need 31? |
**Andrew Guenther:** Applications are open. |
**Autumn Nash:** Okay, cool. |
**Andrew Guenther:** It's interesting... So being that small, we have to work with a lot of vendors to sort of pull things together... But the payload design and a lot of the core software for image processing we write ourselves. |
**Autumn Nash:** What language do you write image processing in? |
**Andrew Guenther:** So the image processing on the ground is all in Python, and the firmware for the sat is C++, as well with some Python mixed in. So one of the big value props for OSK is that we try and perform some of the imagery analysis onboard the satellite before it even comes to the ground. |
**Autumn Nash:** What...?! |
**Andrew Guenther:** Yeah, because you have this incredibly wide spectrum imagery, the data is huge. I mean, we're talking these satellites can bring down one and a half terabytes of imagery per day, per satellite. And so part of the idea is, the more processing we can do onboard to understand what imagery might be a p... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[20:04\] That is so cool. |
**Andrew Guenther:** We ship Nvidia hardware up to space. We're running Nvidia dev board in low Earth orbit. |
**Justin Garrison:** I'm just thinking of Nvidia drivers now, and I'm like "Oh, that's the worst", like trying it on a Linux embedded system. |
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