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**Autumn Nash:** SAs can't do that, but maybe a TAM and an account manager, maybe... But you've got to have really good TAM and account managers, and I think having the people skills to talk and be nice to those people, and to build good relationships... That's how you get your customers the best results, when the peop... |
**Justin Garrison:** Agreed. Anyway, we wanted to call that out, because that was something that I did this week... And it wasn't something that is commonly known, at least from what I know of the current market of people coming into tech, and learning about things... Like "How do I find the source of this?" And you al... |
**Autumn Nash:** Not just this, but this gives you a great starting place for a lot of different things that will help you to kind of have a better understanding of networking, which is a daunting task when you're first learning about it, you know? |
**Justin Garrison:** Oh, for sure. Yeah, networking is very deep, and no one knows everything. |
**Autumn Nash:** And I think knowing that TCP layers and just certain things is just a really good -- like, if you're going to deal with cloud and other things, it's good just to have a 100 level, 200 level just to kind of understand what you're reading when it comes to VPCs, and all that good stuff. |
**Justin Garrison:** It's just the same stuff in a new envelope. |
**Autumn Nash:** It is. And then when you start at a basic level like this, you're more equipped to go into a more, I guess, you know, the new, shiny versions of it. |
**Justin Garrison:** So thank you, everyone, for listening. If you have a topic you'd like us to talk about, or someone you'd want to come and be on the show, feel free to email us. It is shipit@Changelog.com. And hopefully, we will see you around. I know I'm traveling, or -- actually, I don't know when this episode is... |
• The hosts discuss their recent episode with Tim Banks |
• They highlight the variety of topics covered in the interview |
• Tim Banks is introduced as a unique developer advocate who blends tech expertise with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu background and personal experiences |
• He shares his diverse career path, including stints at Amazon, Dell, and Elastic |
• The conversation focuses on the importance of communication, collaboration, and understanding problems, rather than just technical implementation details |
• Tim Banks emphasizes that he prioritizes context over tech specifics and aims to make complex topics relatable and digestible for a wider audience |
• Software engineers often being seen as the technical experts in tech communities |
• Importance of understanding the bigger picture beyond coding details |
• Context is key for success in tech roles, including knowledge of business and financial needs |
• The industry's focus on coding skills over other important aspects like communication and problem-solving |
• Impact of generative AI on future tech roles and interview processes |
• Value placed on showing value to the company through broader understanding and context |
• The importance of communication and teamwork in DevOps |
• The debate on what makes a good engineer, including the idea of the "10X engineer" |
• The role of AI in writing code and the need for humans to provide context for tools |
• The future of coding, with machines potentially writing assembly language |
• Tim Banks' favorite job experience as a DevOps engineer at Object Rocket |
• A humorous anecdote about Tim Banks being added to Tinder's "God mode" by his colleague |
• Tinder interview process discussed |
• Interviewer Justin Garrison shares a story about his bizarre experience interviewing at Tinder in 2012 |
• Tim Banks discusses the importance of understanding context and customer needs in software development and operations |
• Zookeeper issues lead to a major outage at Elastic, with engineers trying to fix it while intoxicated during a happy hour event |
• DevOps SRE engineer experiences shared, including worst outage and reliance on critical infrastructure like Zookeeper |
• Partying during an outage |
• Being a cloud economist and cost optimization |
• Multi-cloud strategies and the importance of observability |
• The cloud making teams irresponsible due to easy deployment and billing |
• Transition from legacy tech to lift-and-shift models and potential settling points |
• Cloud computing options and the economics of buying vs. leasing compute power |
• Multi-cloud adoption and the challenges of managing multiple cloud providers |
• Observability and context in multi-cloud environments |
• The emerging market for used or second-hand data center equipment, such as GPUs and servers |
• The importance of making good architectural decisions to ensure flexibility and ease of migration between cloud providers |
• Avoiding tech debt by considering long-term implications of design and architecture choices |
• The importance of simplicity and flexibility in designing cloud architecture |
• The concept of "lift and shift" as an approach to treating the cloud as a temporary resource |
• The value of being prepared for unexpected situations by understanding the fundamentals behind techniques |
• Comparing technical approaches to jujitsu strategies, highlighting the need for adaptability and strategy over rigid technique |
• The idea that data should be the only concern with significant costs, while compute resources should be treated as agnostic |
• The intersectionality between martial arts (jujitsu) and technology/systems thinking |
• The importance of understanding fundamental concepts and systems in achieving success |
• Comparison of jujitsu as a system with technology and software development |
• Discussion of Google's potential acquisition of Wiz and its subsequent rejection |
• Wiz raises $1 billion at a $23 billion valuation |
• Investors may be seeking higher returns on their investment |
• Companies like Chainguard raising hundreds of millions in funding |
• Security-related companies are starting to attract more investment |
• The RSA hack in 2011 was a major security incident where attackers stole seeds for two-factor authentication keys via an Excel spreadsheet |
• Security hacks often involve simple methods |
• Human error is a common weakness in security systems |
• Spear phishing and other social engineering tactics can be used to gain access |
• Zero-day exploits are often unknown to the public and don't pose a significant threat |
• The show's hosts receive emails from listeners with suggestions for future topics |
**Justin Garrison:** Hello and welcome to Ship It, the podcast all about what happens after you git push. I'm your host, Justin Garrison, and with me as always is Autumn Nash. How's it going, Autumn? |
**Autumn Nash:** Hey, I'm so excited about this episode. Tim Banks - I live for his tweets, and we finally get to virtually meet Tim, and we are going to talk about all the things. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yes. We went all over the place in this episode, and it was a lot of fun. |
**Autumn Nash:** Look, it was a roller coaster, okay? I was not prepared for that. |
**Justin Garrison:** Surprisingly, we brought it all back to the same spot, which was amazing. |
**Autumn Nash:** Are you proud of us? Because I'm proud of us. That was a feat. We deserve some sort of award for being able to touch that many topics. There were backflips, roller-coasters, and we still ended it with tech somehow. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And this episode, actually, I think we only are recording or publishing probably half of what we recorded in general, because there was so much. |
**Autumn Nash:** There's so many good clips. And then we stopped recording for all the good stuff. It went even longer. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yes, Tim was great to have on the show, and just generally talk to. If you meet him at a conference, or... |
**Autumn Nash:** Dude, he is just... Tim is -- he is a pleasure. That man is a gem, okay? And not only is he -- he really knows his stuff, technically. He's so amazing technically. But he's also just a totally dope person, hilarious, has the best stories, throws the best shade... He is just a joy to talk to. |
**Justin Garrison:** And I even wrote down all of his jujitsu championships, and I have - a five-time Pan-American champion, three-time American national champion, and the three-time something champion that I did not finish writing. It was amazing. |
**Autumn Nash:** No, but low-key though, the way that he will give a talk, and he will talk about jujitsu or just regular life stuff, and then relate it to tech, is like watching someone do magic. He's very good at the people part of tech, and teaching, and relating it back to real life... He's very, very good at that. |
**Justin Garrison:** He's very good at being a whole person, and technology is a part of his personhood. And that is amazing, because you're not your job. You are not that thing you just learned. You are an entire person, and all of those things are interrelated, and you can tie them together in various ways. So let's ... |
**Break**: \[03:28\] |
**Justin Garrison:** Thank you so much, Tim Banks, for being on the show today. We have done 20 minutes of pre-show here, and Tim is not your typical dev advocate, because usually developer advocates will have all the badges from the conferences they've been to in the background... Tim has a line of all of the Brazilia... |
**Tim Banks:** Hey, I appreciate it, Justin. Autumn... Great to see you all. |
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