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**Justin Garrison:** In the book they call it that -- like, they even had pieces in the software to like remove people or not track people \[unintelligible 01:05:08.12\] because they were like "Oh, actual lawyers are using this, for like just client confidentiality. And we can't we can't have that information, because ... |
**Autumn Nash:** I feel like certain keywords, and stuff... I'm just like, if you're hurting little kids, or like doing horrible things, it should just be fair game. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. It was really interesting. I wish it kind of went more on the technical side of things. |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm going to go read that. |
**Justin Garrison:** But I listened to it and it was a fun, just kind of like as I was doing dishes and stuff, of like hearing what was going on... But it was also just really kind of depressing, because I'm just like "Oh, this wasn't fake." |
**Autumn Nash:** See, I don't know. As a mom, though... You know what I mean? I don't know if there's some things where like -- I had to stop watching as many ID shows, because it was giving me more anxiety. It's so interesting, but also, like, the world is horrible. I don't know. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** Okay, so my book is "A Mind for Numbers: How to Excel at Math and Science, Even if You Flunked Algebra." So what I really enjoy about this book is it teaches you how to be a more efficient and effective learner, and it talks about why your brain needs certain things. I know it talks about science and m... |
So it's like, I think it's really encouraging for people whose brains work differently, or you think it does, but really, essentially, your brain is doing what it needs to do to process it... So it's just really interesting taking breaks, or just doing things that your like brain doesn't need to think about. Like, I wo... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[01:08:09.13\] Cool. I like their cover. I like the math equation on the cover. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. It's a really good book, and it's not boring. I think a lot of self-help books are icky, and a lot of books about -- I don't know. This just book is like really fun. It's got a bunch of -- it's weird to say it's fun about learning, but I like learning. But it's just a lot of really cool historica... |
**Justin Garrison:** You would probably like the book Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. Fantastic, fantastic book. But it's a really big book. |
**Autumn Nash:** Tell m more. See, this one's not that bad. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. Thinking, Fast and Slow, I read it once and I want to read it again, but it's like an investment. |
**Autumn Nash:** See, I've read this book more than once. I haven't read the whole thing, but I keep reading different parts, and I'll probably read it all the way through... But like this book and me - look at this book. It's been through some things. This is like one of like the best $9 I've ever spent, because it's ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And that's exactly Thinking, Fast and Slow. Thinking Fast and Slow is a book that's explaining -- because he has like a Nobel prize or whatever for like his research on how the brain works. And it's literally like when you're talking to someone, interacting with someone in real time, that's t... |
**Autumn Nash:** Also, that validates a lot of like -- think about like learning engineering in theory, and then actually using it. Or like when you learn a concept in theory, and then you have to teach it. It's always a different way of deeply learning something. So I think all that really supports that. |
**Justin Garrison:** A Mind for Numbers sounds really familiar to "Where Good Ideas Come From", is another book. This one's shorter, and sounds a lot aligned with like -- it talks about real world people that were doing things, and how... |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes, that's the part that I really enjoy. But it's also wild... Like, my son's autistic, and just finding out how many people like, Sebastian Bach, Beethoven, Albert Einstein... I think like as a neuro spicy person and growing up with like -- you know, when we grew up, you were just like the weird kid,... |
And then seeing the way that my sons are growing up now that we know more... It's wild, because I think we got made to feel bad for being like the neuro-spicy kid, and then you find out like all the best inventors in history were these kids who thought differently, you know? So it's cool to see like how so many great t... |
1:And the "Where good ideas come from" is all about that crossover. When you're going from "I know this field really well, and then I'm going to go do something else." And you're like "Oh, I can apply some of the things I learned in this completely not the same field, into this new area." And that book goes into things... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[01:12:21.01\] Which is also wild, if you really think about where like things are going in tech right now, with the whole \[unintelligible 01:12:24.24\] and like people... I feel like we all know that our interviews suck, but that's how we interview, like with LeetCode and all that kind of stuff... B... |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, there's two sides of that. The people that you don't hire because they don't fit the mold of what you think is a good, functional person inside your organization, but then also the people you do hire and don't listen to. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. |
**Justin Garrison:** There's two sides of that coin, of just like "Well, you're in the door, but we want you to fix this box." |
**Autumn Nash:** That is very true. |
**Justin Garrison:** "And you don't go outside of that box, because I don't want your ideas about how that product could change." |
**Autumn Nash:** I've experienced that a lot. I think that's very valid. That's something I would not have thought about. That's very valid. |
**Justin Garrison:** And that's something that - like, I've been in enterprises for over 20 years. I always struggled with that sort of process and what my boundaries were as a developer, as a system engineer, whatever. Whatever the title was, they're like "That's the box you fit in. Don't go talk about this other thin... |
DevRel kind of expanded that a little bit, because I was like "Oh, I'm in product, and I've just got to like learn new things", which I really enjoyed, but it didn't have impact on the product backside of things. And that's something I'm learning more about at a startup, first time at a startup, where I'm just like "Oh... |
**Autumn Nash:** I think that that's one of the coolest part of the way that your brain works, is you're always like "And I tried this cool thing, and then I did it, and then I learned this", and I'm just like, "How many companies lost out on the way that your brain works because they tried to fit you in a box?" It's c... |
**Justin Garrison:** Right. And you see it a lot from especially large tech companies, where people leave and they go to a startup, because they're like "Hey, they didn't listen to me for this product, and now it's a billion-dollar company." And for some large companies, they're like "That's not us. That's not our iden... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[unintelligible 01:15:04.12\] |
**Justin Garrison:** Bringing it all the way back... Yeah, you can save that money -- |
**Autumn Nash:** I love when you throw a little bit of shade. It makes me so happy. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. But yeah, no, I do think that -- "Where good ideas come from" is one of those books that I've read multiple times and I'm like "This is fascinating how this works." But yeah, "A mind for math" sounds interesting. I have a math degree, so I'm kind of like -- |
**Autumn Nash:** I still just -- my brain just hurts when I think about that. You went to school for a whole ass math degree. |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, but like I started from the beginning. Like, I had no math background, and I started from like algebra one in college. |
**Autumn Nash:** That's wild. |
**Justin Garrison:** And I was just like "Oh, I don't know any of this stuff", because my high school was really bad apparently, and did not teach me any of it. And so I was just like "Hey--" |
**Autumn Nash:** Preach! Me too, me too. They were like "We're going to try this new math in Hawaii", in a school that already sucks. |
And then they're like "Oh, it was terrible. We're going to change." "Well, thanks... What do you mean, sir...?" |
**Justin Garrison:** \[01:16:06.08\] "Hold on a second... This is still \[unintelligible 01:16:07.03\] For me, I went to a private school, and the high school doesn't exist anymore. The school was so bad that it shut down. But my wife went to public school, and when I was talking to her, I met her in college, I was lik... |
**Autumn Nash:** So they paid extra for them to not teach -- see, this is... |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, yeah, my mom was a teacher, so it's like you get to go to a private school for free. |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh. Okay, good. At least she wasn't paying for it. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. It was one of those like loopholes of like "Oh, you're rich." And I'm like "Well, no. My mom's right there." |
**Autumn Nash:** Well, because it's funny, especially having like neurospicy kids... It's crazy. Like, I could send them to these expensive private schools, or -- but what are you really getting? Because there's no like programs for kids that are neurospicy in those private schools. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. There's so much less resources in that environment. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes. But you're paying college money. Like, it is wild. |
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