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**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, it never has sold me on any piece of appliance. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So the one thing I would say about that that I've appreciated - because I try to be not the person who only complains, I try to be the person who appreciates pretty much any scenario. I do my best; I'm always the greatest at it... It's that it's a different interface to a simple interface that doesn... |
The notification is -- I turn that off in most cases. I actually don't have it on, unless I'm washing clothes personally. And when I say that, I'm like -- I don't usually wash our clothes. So I'm that person who gets to just sit back and enjoy life, for the most part. |
**Jerod Santo:** You'd better not be complaining then... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Until I have no more underwear, and then I'm like "Oh my gosh, I have to wash my own clothes now." |
**Jerod Santo:** Then you're checking the status at all times. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right. Notifications on, thank you. |
**Elecia White:** I mean, the app does give you more information than could possibly fit on the front of your washing machine. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It does. Yeah. So that's how I look at it. It's like, I wouldn't have paid for that feature. I think I did because I bought it, obviously... I didn't buy it because of that feature, and I'd say that it's a nice to have, not a need to have... But it is nice to actually have, because I've used some of... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[01:27:53.28\] But you know, those bits of information that they're showing to you can also just seep out of your local area network, and into the hands of somebody. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Adam is washing his clothes again. Get him. |
**Jerod Santo:** You know? Someday you're gonna get an email from a hacker and he's gonna be like "Adam, you're out of underwear." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. "Hey, listen, you probably should wash your clothes... It's been about two months since your dryer's dried anything. Clearly you're out of underwear at this point. I've checked your Walmart checklist for your underwear, or wherever you buy your --" I don't buy my underwear from Walmart, but I ... |
**Jerod Santo:** TMI, dude. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Just so you know, okay? |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright, Elecia... I assume the website is embedded.fm. Where else can folks connect with you? |
**Elecia White:** You can get Embedded from any of your regular podcast sites. And if you are faced with one that is Embed in all black and looks scary... |
**Jerod Santo:** Don't do it. |
**Elecia White:** We're the one with the robot. |
**Jerod Santo:** Look for the one with the robot. |
**Elecia White:** It's like a little robot head; robot head, slash radio, old-timey radio... So that's us. |
**Jerod Santo:** Nice. |
**Elecia White:** You can get my book. It's called Making Embedded Systems, and it's in second edition. It's from O'Reilly. It's on normal Amazon and bookshop sorts of places. If you're interested in making embedded systems, it's a -- the goal is for hardware engineers to understand more about software, and for softwar... |
If you want to contact me for consulting, I think the answer to that is please don't. \[laughter\] Please don't... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Please don't? Is that right? |
**Elecia White:** We're booked... We're booked for like a year. It's great. |
**Jerod Santo:** Congrats. |
**Elecia White:** And yet I always love to hear about neat things people are making. So if you want to tell me about your embedded system, hit the Contact link on embedded.fm, or email me at show \[at\] embedded.fm, and I'm just fascinated by the technologies coming out. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Very cool. Any conferences or like IRL places? I know you mentioned several digital ones, which we've definitely collected and we'll put in the show notes... But is there anywhere that's like common? Like, is there an Embedded Conf or something like that, where it's, you know, international or acces... |
**Jerod Santo:** Like the one you can't miss kind of event? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, like you must go there. If you're really getting into it, you must go to this conference kind of thing. |
**Elecia White:** This is another one of those areas where there is a good hacker subset, and there's a professional subset, and they don't quite overlap. I will be keynoting the Embedded Online Conference in May of 2025. Please don't ask me what my talk is about, I don't know yet. But I will really soon. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Embedded things. |
**Elecia White:** Probably sensors. And for the hobbyist, or - see, it isn't just the hobbyists. I've gone to Supercon from Hackaday; I would happily go to Teardown. There's Open Hardware Summit... There are a ton of really fun places where people will show you how to get into embedded systems, or hacking devices, or m... |
There aren't as many professional conferences, unless they're about certain topics, like Zephyr, or security. Hardware.io is one of the international conferences that's pretty popular, and more security-based. I can't think of any other ones, but I know I will when we get off, so I'll send you an email and you can prov... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** For sure. I know IRL is important to folks... We can obviously shell out lots of digital locations to hang, but IRL - can't beat that, right? Real humans, real people, real fun. |
**Elecia White:** \[01:32:05.00\] Really? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think so. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] Really? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Maybe not. Maybe not. |
**Jerod Santo:** To each their own, as they say. |
**Elecia White:** I'm kind of an indoor cat. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We'll have to get some sensors for that, and maybe a motor to judge it. |
**Jerod Santo:** There you go. Or one of those things you can touch that we know Elecia is still there. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right. |
**Jerod Santo:** And she can just send a sensor to the conf. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** "Still here." |
**Jerod Santo:** Like light up a light. You know, blinking lights. We hear you like those. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, for sure. |
**Elecia White:** As long as they're blinking for other people... |
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