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**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** But yours is custom curved origami, that you want to make. And so your scripts give you the crease lines. |
**Elecia White:** Yes. The scripts give me the crease lines, and they let me combine straights and creases in order to get tucks and weaves. And - I will go off the rails here... \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Go off the rails! You're allowed. |
**Jerod Santo:** We're with you. We are with you. I'm listening. |
**Elecia White:** \[01:01:58.23\] Adam was saying how you can invent things. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Elecia White:** And I think you can invent things in software, too. And it's some of the same impetus, that you invent them because you want them. I had a stuffed animal that would Wi-Fi through the cloud to another stuffed animal, and when you padded it, the other stuffed animal would light up. And you could have th... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What did the other animal do? |
**Elecia White:** I would pat mine, and theirs would light up. They would pat theirs, and mine would light up. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Ah, I see. So there's like a -- |
**Elecia White:** It was like a goodnight sort of thing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. Maybe for like brothers. They're in different rooms, like "Goodnight, brother" kind of thing. Not a walkie-talkie, it's more like "I'm petting mine, you're petting yours." |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. You just know that somebody else is there, doing something. It's a connection. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Because it's a two-person system. Yeah, it's a peer-to-peer, with two peers. |
**Elecia White:** Well, this actually went through the cloud, so it was more like you're in college and you're telling your parents you're going to bed. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. That's cool. |
**Elecia White:** But yeah. All kinds of just... Yeah. Two people connecting quietly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think I'm liking this idea more now that we're talking about. I mean, I've always liked this idea, but... This idea of software paired with hardware that creates these newer experiences that isn't software-only. Like an iPhone or a computer screen or a browser software, which is like - maybe that'... |
**Elecia White:** Exactly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's crazy. I never really thought about this Traeger as this embedded system until this conversation. Obviously it is, but I'd never thought about the fact that I could have made that. |
**Elecia White:** You could have made it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** If the things were more accessible. And I think a lot of this conversation is like how accessible is this technology to people, to lay folks like Jerod and I, or - we're seasoned in software development, but not in embedded systems necessarily. |
**Elecia White:** But with an Arduino or one of these little micro Python, circuit Python boards, think about what you would need to do. You would need to -- okay, so mentally build the system architecture... You need to push pallets, you need to be able to tell time, and you need to monitor temperature. If you went on... |
\[01:05:52.19\] And now you have to figure out how to push the pellets in in a way that's probably metal, because you don't want it to burn in plastic. You're not going to 3D-print this. And now you need a motor subsystem. And that's where things get a little complicated, but motors are very common, and you can buy the... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes. |
**Jerod Santo:** Love it. It seems like the -- you said you get intimidated by mechanical, and it seems like the pusher would be the hardest part of that. Maybe you could utilize gravity to just have an opener and shutter, versus a pusher, and then you're dropping the pellets in. I'm not sure how Traegers work, but... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I know exactly how it works. I'll tell you. So there's a hopper. And the hopper, you fill it up. It uses gravity to -- |
**Jerod Santo:** So it just drops. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. As the pellets fall down, it falls into this space that there's an auger, and the auger just turns. And so it slowly just moves the pellets along the system. And so you fine-tune the temperature within the firebox based on the speed of the auger. So if you slow down the auger, no pellets feed ... |
And the hopper is just the pellets are falling based upon gravity. So gravity did the work there. Thank you. No pusher necessary. And there is a sensor inside the hopper that will tell me if it's low, but I'm smart enough to know how much I put in there. I know when it's low. And my cooks are never that long where I ne... |
And in terms of time, I'm the timer. I mean, Traeger does have an iPhone app and an Android app that controls it, and you can set time, and stuff like that, and you can tell it to turn off... But that's a rich person's feature. Not everybody needs that. You really just need the ability to maintain a temperature for a s... |
**Elecia White:** And that mechanical is so much smarter than what I was coming up with. |
**Break**: \[01:09:05.26\] |
**Elecia White:** So Adam, what do you want to build next? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Geez, let's see... Birthday cards. |
**Elecia White:** Birthday cards...! |
**Jerod Santo:** Say more. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes... My family is a fan of singing birthday cards. And my son loves to take them apart; later I'll tell you a story. So my son is curious like this. He loves to take things apart and figure out how they work. And so he took apart a birthday card we got him. And obviously, you open it up and it sta... |
**Elecia White:** Okay. Chibitronics. C-H-I-B-I-tronics. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Elecia White:** This is away from the software, although they have little microcontrollers that it works with. So we can get to the to the music and whatnot. But what they've done is they sell these kits that have a copper tape, and you copper-tape around and you can make little buttons by having pieces of paper touc... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Binder clip. Yup. |
**Elecia White:** You put a binder clip with the battery, and you make your own card like that. And it lights up, or you can have it do music... They have all of these different neat sensors. This is more on the electronic side. This is how people understand how do you go from battery through a circuit. And you don't n... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Chibitronics. |
**Elecia White:** They were directed towards women at one point, getting girls interested in storytelling through electronics... But I don't think they are as gender-specific anymore, because I've been seeing lots of their new sensors and new systems being a little louder. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. Since we're here then, I have to ask you... I'll just say one brand, and I want a reaction from you, Elecia. Crunch Labs. |
**Elecia White:** Nothing. I'm terrible. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, my gosh... |
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