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**Jerod Santo:** Nothing... \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well then... |
**Jerod Santo:** Ah, that's great. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So I don't know his name. I'm going to google real fast... Crunch Labs. The fellow that runs -- this is a very massive YouTube channel, but it's not a YouTuber, like a... I don't even know how to describe it... |
**Elecia White:** Oh, I've seen this guy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, yeah. This is the coolest stuff ever. This guy used to work at NASA, and he is all in STEM, and all kids-focused, but he has his subscription box that you can get to like build different stuff. And as you're describing this - how do I pronounce this? Chibitronics... I'm thinking like "Wow, here'... |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, is this Mark Rober. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, Mark Rober. Thank you, Jerod. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, everybody loves this guy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I love Mark Rober. He's the coolest. I mean, he is -- I don't even know how he does what he does. He's amazing. He's living his purpose, for sure. But my son loves Crunch Labs, is so entertained about this stuff, and has become smarter because of Mark Rober. I mean, educational, curiosity, STE... |
**Jerod Santo:** Sure. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Just all this cool stuff. So I thought you might know Crunch Labs. |
**Elecia White:** I don't, but I'm gonna sign myself up. I love the little robots. And they had a crossbow... How do I get the crossbow? \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:16:03.18\] "How do I get the crossbow?" That's great. And these kits - they come on this, frequently. So I was thinking -- what made me think about Crunch Labs was the monetary accessibility of the Chibitronics... And you know, building these things that no one else seems to be doing, to -- I m... |
**Elecia White:** Yes. And my field was so lucky to have Arduino, because it really drew a lot of folks to be interested, both in electronics and embedded systems, but also in software. And there are the Chibitronics, and some of these other robotics kits... First Robotics is just wonderful. That's the competition for ... |
**Jerod Santo:** We've gotten so many amazing links from this conversation. Are there others, if we're like "Elecia, what's another cool thing?" You just showed us Chibitronics first... This firstinspires.org is the First Robotics people. Adam pointed us to Crunch Labs... Of course, we have MicroPython, Adafruit, the W... |
**Elecia White:** Hackster.io, Instructables.com, and Hackaday.io. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, Hackaday I'm well aware of. What was the first one you said? |
**Elecia White:** Hackster.io... |
**Jerod Santo:** Hackster. |
**Elecia White:** ...and Instructables.com. And I'm grouping these all together. Even though they have very different flavors, they are all places you go and tell people about your projects. |
**Jerod Santo:** Nice. |
**Elecia White:** As an engineer, it's like, okay, I'm learning to document. This is why I tell people to use these sites, because I want them to learn how to document and reproduce their projects. But as somebody who's doing it, as somebody who's excited about it, it's getting to show off what you did. |
We don't always get to go to these hackathons, or to these hack meetups where you get to bring your project... But this lets you connect to people who are maybe in the same boat. Maybe there's a competition for a Nordic dev kit, and so everybody's looking at the same set of sensors... And you get to see what other peop... |
**Jerod Santo:** Love it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Where's this going? This kind of thing. Showing off is kind of cool, right? I'm looking at this one here on Instructables, in the Circus section... Because it lets you see things like crafting, and cooking, and living... So there's more than just simply this embedded world there. It's a sleep cycle ... |
**Elecia White:** \[01:20:20.10\] Like you have this idea and you want to market it? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No, no, no. More like you. Where do you think -- I mean, given your knowledge of embedded systems and where you've seen it go, what's next for, I suppose, this world of... From the simple hobby project to underwater things with sensors, looking at dirt moving around... You know what I mean? It's suc... |
**Elecia White:** I mean, it's going everywhere. I fought against the term internet of things for so long, but that's what it is. Like, everything wants to be on the internet, wants to help you be better, or do something different. And I don't love all that. I mean, I don't need everything I have to be on the internet.... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Elecia White:** And I'm not sure that's the best thing, but it's also going into all kinds of science. One of the projects that I worked on a year ago, two years ago, that's going out this year, is they're just gonna chuck these boxes into various rivers around the country, and be able to monitor the environmental DN... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So embrace it, right? You've lamented your fight against IOT, but... Just embrace it, basically? |
**Elecia White:** Be aware of your security. Be smart. You don't let strangers into your house just willy-nilly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Elecia White:** Maybe look at the names of the companies you're letting into your house, and make sure that they have nice friends, and good references, and all of that... Because you don't want to create bot networks or allow people to spy on you. So when you do engage with the Internet of Things, do so wisely. And ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:24:12.17\] Yeah. |
**Elecia White:** But you should think about it. Security is unfortunately the downside of IoT. It's also the S in IoT, which is to say "You really need to think about it for yourself." |
**Jerod Santo:** And privacy too, which those two are, you know, kind of eternally linked, aren't they now? Because being able to throw a smart rock into a river and monitor things is awesome. But being able to throw it into my pool and monitor my swimming, maybe not so much. Just for instance, you know? |
**Elecia White:** Yes, there are a lot of downsides to this. |
**Jerod Santo:** The internet of things... And also, for IoT makers out there - just leave us physical buttons. Let us opt out every once in a while and just use the dishwasher without having to launch an app, for instance... |
**Elecia White:** Oh, yes... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** For instance, yes. I take it your dishwasher requires you to use an application or something, Jerod? |
**Jerod Santo:** No, that was just a for instance. I'm sure somebody's does. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. Well, I have LG washer and dryers, and I can tell you when my washer is done and when my dryer is done. And I can tell it to start drying something right now, if it's on. So that one's safety -- security and safety. Maybe the similar S'es... It's that I can't control it from afar or remotely i... |
**Elecia White:** And would you have paid for those features? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Apparently, I did. |
**Elecia White:** I know. We did too, but I would have never meant to pay for those features. |
**Jerod Santo:** No. I never want almost any -- like, sometimes you're like "Oh, this actually is kind of nice." Once you start using the feature. You're like, "Yeah, I kind of appreciate this." But it was never -- |
**Elecia White:** When the dryer's off, it's kind of nice. |
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