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• The increased capabilities of Copilot's agent mode also raise concerns about debugging and troubleshooting, as it becomes more difficult to identify issues with automated code.
• Fear of code quality and maintainability with multi-file changes and AI-generated code
• Importance of designing tools to avoid overwhelming cognitive load and controlling code generation
• Introduction of asynchronous coding agents that can execute tasks independently
• Potential for parallel adversarial agents to work together or against each other
• AI-based code reviews for large-scale code changes
• Discussion of agent performance and competition, including the idea of promoting or demoting agents based on their performance
• Potential for AI agents to modernize old software projects and handle tedious tasks like porting code to new languages.
• GitHub Copilot helping with modernizing code, specifically .NET and Java code
• Reducing technical debt and making it easier to upgrade codebases
• AI-powered site reliability engineering (SRE) agents to automate incident response and resolution
• Offloading tedious tasks from developers, such as on-call and incident response
• Potential for increased innovation and speed in software development due to reduced technical debt and automation
• Concerns about developer talent shortage and the need for broader knowledge sharing
• Complex systems reasoning and policy management for future developers
• Interaction between autonomous agents and complex systems
• Common substrate for interacting with agents (GitHub Copilot as potential solution)
• Secrets and authentication/authorization in codebases
• Expunging secrets from codebases and detection of secrets
• Cascading effects and potential for catastrophic failures in distributed systems
• Auditing and control of agentic workflows
• Testing and validation of models and agents
• Preventing and mitigating cascading failures in distributed systems
• Evaluating models against various checks, including safety, security, and responsible AI scenarios
• Implementing a common agentic control layer for agents across software
• Integrating AI models with GitHub, allowing developers to test and choose models
• Future plans for agent development, including agent catalogs and control mechanisms
• Evolution of the software development team, with increased collaboration and shared language between developers, designers, and product managers
• Increased contribution to codebase from non-engineers
• Changing software development architecture and extensibility
• Future of software development focusing on models rather than views
• Rise of "builders" who can contribute to codebase
• Open-sourcing of AI capabilities in VS Code
• VS Code forks and their impact on the market
• Competition and innovation in the code editing space
• Community contribution to the VS Code codebase
• Focusing on developers using VS Code vs. alternative methods of coding
• Discussion of Vibe coding and its potential to make software development more accessible
• Emergence of natural language-driven development and the role of prompts in software development
• Idea of a codebase containing not just code, but also metadata and prompts for different development phases
• Spec-driven development and the use of .prd files to describe specifications
• Importance of design decisions and conversations in software development, and the potential for these to be persisted in the codebase
• Discussion of the possibility of developers not needing to write documentation, but instead using conversation history and spec links to understand code decisions.
**Jerod Santo:** I want to read your title, because -- I mean, you just can't memorize that thing.
**Amanda Silver:** I know. Sorry. \[laughter\]
**Jerod Santo:** No need to apologize. It's a spectacular title.
**Adam Stacoviak:** I love it. Let it loose. Let it loose.
**Jerod Santo:** Well, today we're honored to be joined by Amanda Silver, CVP - that's Corporate Vice President - for Microsoft's Developer Division. You're the head of product design, user research, general manager of engineering systems... That's a lot.
**Amanda Silver:** It is. It's incredible.
**Jerod Santo:** What does it all mean?
**Amanda Silver:** What does it all mean? I mean, I think at the end of the day there's a group inside of Microsoft that's focused primarily with developers as our primary customers.
**Jerod Santo:** Okay.
**Amanda Silver:** And so when you think about what does Microsoft actually deliver to customers? Visual Studio Code, Visual Studio, .NET, TypeScript, our Azure application platform, our DevOps solutions... We work very, very closely with the GitHub team, do a lot of product integration across our products... So that's...
**Adam Stacoviak:** How do you feel about leading people? Is it fun for you?
**Amanda Silver:** I love leading people. I mean, I've actually done it since fairly early in my career. I think maybe two or three years in I started to be a manager of people. When I first started at Microsoft, I was working on the interop layer between .NET and unmanaged code... And so I kind of think about it as li...
And for me, I think initially, it was a way for me to have more control and more influence over the product, so that was exciting. But I think over the years, I think anybody who's been in the industry long enough recognizes that software is 90%, 95% about people, and how do you construct the team, and how do you motiv...
**Jerod Santo:** Right.
**Amanda Silver:** So I find a lot of joy in the act of management, and I also will say, I've come across a lot of managers in my history that are much more self-serving. That's their primary objective. And empire building, a lot of people call them... And for me, I think it's really important that I maintain my person...
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's tough, sometimes, right?
**Jerod Santo:** I don't know, I've never led quite as many teams as she's led, I'm sure... So you said empire building, and I date all the way back to when I, as a young college student, used to refer to Microsoft as evil empire. So just full confession. You know, the M dollar sign people... And over the years, I've c...
**Amanda Silver:** Yeah. I mean, that's been kind of core for my career at Microsoft, in a lot of senses. And even when I started at Microsoft in 2001 - let's back up for a second.
**Jerod Santo:** Okay, that's my college years right there.
**Amanda Silver:** When I started at Microsoft, I had two older brothers who were both in the tech industry, and were part of the dot-com bubble bust.
**Jerod Santo:** Sure.
**Amanda Silver:** They were each on their third job or something like that by the time I graduated from college. And so I thought, when I was graduating, like -- I thought I was going to be a scientist, because my dad was a scientist... But I thought, "You know, if I'm going to go get a PhD or whatever, maybe I should...
**Jerod Santo:** \[08:05\] \[laughs\] Too risky.
**Amanda Silver:** Too risky.
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's funny.
**Amanda Silver:** So I ended up at Microsoft. And I think my first decade or so I was really focused on enterprise software, .NET primarily. And it was like the Java/.NET tension, and that was kind of the main primary competition that we were thinking about at the time... But open source wasn't in the vernacular, it w...
At the same time, I think it was ASP.NET that was the first to actually include open source in the product jQuery. Everybody had to use jQuery to be able to manage the different browser experiences, and so we first started to ship jQuery as part of ASP.NET, I guess in the 2008, 2009 kind of era. At the time, I was movi...
TypeScript, originally, when we first started, was really trying to answer the challenge that we had inside Microsoft, which was that we were building what we now call M365, which is like the web experience for Excel, and PowerPoint, and SharePoint, and everything... But we had this challenge that we had a lot of devel...
**Jerod Santo:** Do we now? \[laughter\]