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**Jerod Santo:** "Here's your next big idea." |
**Chris Anderson:** Right? |
**Jerod Santo:** Wow. So if I take the sticker home, how can I use it? Like, I've got this information embedded in it... What do I do? |
**Chris Anderson:** You just kind of get it close enough to your phone, and you get one of these little -- and now you can open the URL. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. So it's similar to a QR code, except for not for the camera, but actually the NFC chip in the phone. Makes sense. That's interesting. |
**Chris Anderson:** Right. And for us, it's really this ownership metaphor. Like, code is all in there, over there... Especially if you're not a coder. Like "What am I making? Where is it?" But if I put it in your hand when you walk away from the booth, then you're going to come back with your friend the next day. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Does that give them access to the code they just created, or vibed? Or does that just give them access to the application they just vibed? |
**Chris Anderson:** Well, for us, really our -- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How do they continue development, how do they keep going? |
**Chris Anderson:** You're totally right. So most of these people made it on their phone they walked up to the booth with, because it's a mobile-first experience. But if you didn't, if you made it on my phone, or if you made it on the booth laptop, then you still get the sticker, you can still scan it into your phone..... |
There's a great story, and we had a lot of fun... I was walking back from lunch in Atlanta, and I said to my phone, I said "I want to take pictures and have you turn all the faces in the pictures into Georgia peaches." And it worked on the first try; sometimes you get lucky... And people thought that was hilarious. So ... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[20:23\] Remix it. Remix that sucker. |
**Chris Anderson:** So basically, a four-year-old turned a peach app into the cat app, and that was a hit... And then we saw what was going on there and we made this -- we made a caricature app I've got on my laptop here. Here's me as a podcaster. |
**Jerod Santo:** Nice... |
**Chris Anderson:** And it was also a big hit. People at the conference just all day long building stuff. |
**Jerod Santo:** It's just fun. This is the stuff I'm talking about, Adam. Just -- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Total vibes, man. This is the internet, man. |
**Jerod Santo:** For joy. It's for the joy of it. |
**Chris Anderson:** It totally is for the joy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It is. |
**Chris Anderson:** And so many people -- |
**Jerod Santo:** This is like Geocities for the modern era. |
**Jerod Santo:** Seriously. |
**Chris Anderson:** Yeah. It's like a writable Geocities, right? View sources back, baby. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] Yeah. I'm reminded of the old cloud to butt extension. You guys remember that one? Every time the word cloud was on a website, this Chrome extension would replace it with the word butt. I'm not saying this is an idea for a remix, Chris, I'm just saying I'm reminded of it. |
**Chris Anderson:** You know, if I wouldn't get distracted, we'd just build it right now. \[laughter\] |
**Break**: \[21:26\] |
**Jerod Santo:** So is the platform the web then? Or how are they -- how are these things running? |
**Chris Anderson:** That's the way I think about it. I wanted to build the experience I had early on in the black and white Mac days, with HyperCard... But I realized that when I look around people trying to build similar ambitions, often there's a "do it our way completely or don't" kind of feel. I call that like "The... |
**Jerod Santo:** I love it. I think Adam and I were just talking about this new possibility, specifically in light of Apple allowing local models on phones, and Xcode, and things are getting localized there, where it's like you could build and deploy your own iPhone app. It's just a one off, just for you; nobody else e... |
**Chris Anderson:** Yup. |
**Jerod Santo:** So just to nerd out again on the sticker, is the embedded information in the sticker just a URL to where the thing actually runs? Or is there code in there? Or how does that work? |
**Chris Anderson:** It's just the URL. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, that's what I thought. |
**Jerod Santo:** So once you have the URL, we make -- actually, our service layer is so simple. If you look at a lot of the existing vibe coding tools, they're built for professionals, and they're going to mimic a professional output with a full Next.js app. The only thing that the model - which is just a commodity mod... |
\[26:07\] This last bit means that the apps that you make, get the same API key that we use in your browser to write the code. And you press the Demo data button, and it fills out your to do list with whatever is plausible. Or it makes an app -- I built this because it takes 90 seconds to make an app, it takes longer t... |
**Jerod Santo:** So let's say I mash out a 90-second thing, and it's rad, and we're having fun... Can I then expand/extend/build that sucker out, or I have to remix and start something else? |
**Chris Anderson:** That's where one of our core values comes in, is that it has to be real. So the 500 lines of JSX that it's going to write is React code -- it's as good as Claude 4 is going to make it, which means it's not that bad. And the standard library we bring to the table with it means that all these apps are... |
**Jerod Santo:** Adam, what do you think of all these sayings he has? He's got like rhyming words, he's got like stickers... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** He's a poet, man. |
**Jerod Santo:** This guy's bringing it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm over here, trying to vibe over here... I think it might be a Safari issue. |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] I thought you might be. That's why I pulled you back in. I can tell when Adam's like testing something out... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I was vibing over here, and I think I might have hit an issue with Safari, potentially... Because the thing it made me is on a black screen, and so I'm having an issue. |
**Chris Anderson:** Well, that's not Safari, that's Claude. I would say you rolled the dice, and... |
**Jerod Santo:** You got snake eyes. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, dang. So it made nothing. |
**Chris Anderson:** One in 20 times Claude is like "Oh, I know what you want... You want a black canvas that's like 20 times bigger than your screen." It just does that -- we have work to do, but... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I think that's about it. It's kind of like forever scrolling. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, close the tab, and open a new tab and try again, you know? |
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