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**Jerod Santo:** So this thing went Render ATL viral last week, because they already had a fun time making caricatures of themselves... But when's it going to go TikTok viral, or youth viral? Like, it seems like this is set up specifically for 13 to 15 year olds to find out about it. Just like the six, seven thing. I'm... |
**Chris Anderson:** Well, I'm pretty sure that my key into that market is you guys. \[laughter\] But really, what we aim to be -- there's a lot of people who use more serious tools for vibe coding, and I'm not going to give a senior developer more control, more options, more details than other incumbents. But what I wi... |
**Jerod Santo:** Gotcha. |
**Chris Anderson:** So if you've got a buddy who has a dream, or keeps bugging you to build something for them, say "Hey, vibe it up and I'll take it from there." |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. Well, it's very much a GeoCities then, in that sense. Or maybe Glitch. Of course, Glitch recently changed the way Glitch works, but... Similar vibes then, right? Glitch was very much the thing where it's like get people started, learn on it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How does versioning work in that multiplayer world? |
**Chris Anderson:** So if you look inside the chat that you've been having, you can refine it. You could say "Oh, I didn't mean regular golf. I have these interesting rules of golf I want to bring to the game." Claude will go rewrite the code for that, and now you have a slightly different version of the app. That coul... |
But once it's published and you go to that URL... You know, when you scan the sticker and you go to the URL, then you're going to have a Remix button in the corner of the screen. And when you hit that, you've essentially forked. Now, no insult to all of the people out there who are kind of like me in this regard, but..... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] These guy's got a saying for everything. So because you don't like forks, or because you do? I mean, it depends on if you think a dork is a good thing or a bad thing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right. |
**Chris Anderson:** Well, when it's time to get the dorks involved and do the forking. But when you just want to try something and remix, then you don't need all that conceptual baggage. |
**Jerod Santo:** Gotcha. |
**Chris Anderson:** Just hit the Remix button and go. |
**Jerod Santo:** So this is akin to the publish button versus the deploy, right? It's like, remix it, don't fork it, because you're not a dork. You're a normie, as you said earlier. |
**Chris Anderson:** Yeah. Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, your audience, and it's not us. It's not us... \[laughs\] Because I'm looking for the fork button over here. I'm like "Excuse me, sir... I would like to fork this." |
**Chris Anderson:** Totally. Well, it is us though, because when you go deep on something, it's got that Merkle CRDT, it's made out of standard React components, it's got all the TypeScript annotations you could hope for... And it's ready to go big, if that's what you want to do with it. |
**Jerod Santo:** But I imagine sitting on Cloudflare, with an HTML file and some KV backends; big in terms of features and commerce and production big, business big, but not big in terms of scale. I imagine one of these could scale pretty easily in terms of that TikTok viral moment, couldn't it? |
**Chris Anderson:** It costs pennies on the dollar compared to anything that requires a VM or any kind of complex state or CPU. When I think of Kubernetes containers, all that, I only want one if I basically want to rent some live RAM. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Chris Anderson:** \[42:13\] And you don't need that. All the live RAM lives in the user agent at the edge. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. So Cloudflare is pretty cool... I mean, just - no further comment. I wonder if you could maybe expand on that. Like, you guys are doing cool stuff because of what Cloudflare is helping you to do, right? It seems like a very interesting platform in that way. |
**Chris Anderson:** Our stack is, I guess, native to that way of thinking about things... So not just the publish flow that goes into a KV, but also the fireproof synchronization is powered by Cloudflare workers, which is a great way to rent some RAM on the cheap if all you need is a list of your currently connected cl... |
I was thinking about recovery mechanisms. Say like you lost the pointer, and all you had was the files... It's a valid exercise to just load them all and merge them, and you'll get the same result as if you'd started from the end one. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Why RAM? Why does it need to be in RAM? |
**Chris Anderson:** I mean, it doesn't. We can do it with the S3 bucket only. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's cool, right? Because it's cool. |
**Chris Anderson:** It's a little faster to keep it on \[unintelligible 00:43:43.19\] And what I mean by in RAM is -- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is it necessary, though? Or is it just because it's cool? |
**Chris Anderson:** It's just because it's faster. So we need essentially a directory, a link to -- okay, let's get technical. The real reason we need any of that is because it's multi-writer safe. And so if you just had like a SQLite and you were trying to do this kind of architecture - which people do, where they put... |
So the only thing we need to add to the recipe to make it multi-writer safe is it could be that pointer that points to the most recent file, the diff from which you've got to start to reconstruct - well, it can point to more than one file. So if you're under concurrent load, people can all -- you have 50 people all wri... |
**Jerod Santo:** So in your mind or in your heart, is Fireproof the thing, and Vibes DIY is a thing to demonstrate the thing? Or is Vibes DIY the thing that Fireproof let you build? |
**Chris Anderson:** I feel like I'm in the Millennium Falcon and I just like mashed the gas, you know? |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Chris Anderson:** So it's a little bit of both, but it's it's super-aligned. Fireproof is for the kind of people who like to fork stuff, and Vibes is for the kind of people who -- |
**Jerod Santo:** And Vibes is for remixers. |
**Chris Anderson:** ...don't want to be bothered with all that. It's just done. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. Do you think you're gonna have to pick a certain point, or like focus, or do you have infinite bandwidth to just like mash that Millennial Falcon - what's it called? Warp speed? No, they don't call it warp speed. What do they call it in Star Wars? I'm blanking. |
**Chris Anderson:** The hyperdrive? |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, the hyperdrive. Go to hyper speed. |
**Chris Anderson:** So we are focused 100% on Vibes. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Chris Anderson:** \[46:04\] And in a lot of ways, it's because Fireproof is basically done. I mean, it never is the case with a database, but it's not like it needs new features. It's just about hardening it, and continuing to release it. So in that world now, Vibes gets cool new features. A fun new feature we get to... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Have we talked about money yet? |
**Jerod Santo:** No. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How do you make money? |
**Jerod Santo:** No. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let's talk about that. |
**Jerod Santo:** Let's talk about it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Does it matter at this point? Or is it just for the vibes? |
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