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**Jerod Santo:** How do you keep up with your underlying technologies in terms of what you're generating, or what you're telling Claude to use? Because those things are also moving targets. |
**Chris Anderson:** I have more work to do there. There's models that aren't represented yet. I would love to get \[unintelligible 01:00:27.09\] personally when I'm in Windsurf... And so, there's some things we can do to keep up. We essentially need like a cultural ambassador to LLM land to keep us up. |
**Jerod Santo:** What about to Next.js land? Is that a fast enough moving target? I guess you're always generating a new one, so it doesn't matter so much. |
**Chris Anderson:** Right. And we're just doing that one file. I chose to do app.jsx instead of app.tsx, mostly because it's one less thing the model can hallucinate wrong. Now, if you wanted it to be TSX, I'm pretty sure Windsurf can fix that for you in a single pass. |
**Jerod Santo:** Sure. But why? I guess by then you copy-pasted it, so it's yours anyways, right? Do what you want. |
**Chris Anderson:** Exactly. Yeah, the JSX is all about the simplicity, and then the -- it really allows anybody to get in there, edit these apps, and bring them to any backend. When you do eject, it runs through those same APIs. Again, you can move them over. I don't know if there'd be a good reason, but there's a wor... |
**Jerod Santo:** Say that again. I don't think I tracked it. |
**Chris Anderson:** \[01:01:52.12\] So built into these npm modules that's part of our standard library is that when you run out of your free tokens, it pops up the login window. And after you log in and you get another batch of free tokens, you run out of those, it asks for your credit card. If all you care about is g... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, that actually scales really well. I guess that's what you're referring back to the YouTube model, where basically as an app creator, I'm bringing you token use by way of people using my app, and you being Vibes DIY is making money off of every one of those people who decides to put down some cash... |
**Chris Anderson:** A real kind of eye on the prize... You know, Couch did well, but I also learned firsthand what it's like to get whooped by MongoDB. \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** How did that feel? |
**Chris Anderson:** At the time, I wrote that rap about other NoSQLs, right? You could tell how it felt. But now I appreciate what they did; they understood that the real answer to taking the market is to be on the ground floor when people are writing apps without permission in the enterprise. And so we're probably a d... |
**Jerod Santo:** Do you think your brand scales that way? |
**Chris Anderson:** We'll find out, but I kind of think so. |
**Jerod Santo:** Here's a sub-brand: Serious Vibes. |
**Chris Anderson:** Totally. Yeah, we talk about gray mode... \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Gray mode? There you go. Yeah. |
**Chris Anderson:** There's a lot we can do there. There's a whole -- |
**Jerod Santo:** It's cool stuff. |
**Chris Anderson:** ...like, if you wanted to fork the core thing and make it work with, say, not React... Like, I've got nothing against Vue. I've got nothing against Solid.js. All these things are excellent technologies. We chose React because it's the one that's going to give you the deepest training set. But being ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright, dorks, get out there and fork away... For the normal people, get out there and remix somebody else's golf tee time tracker... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Hm. |
**Jerod Santo:** Adams has already published it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And improve my vibes. My vibes were not so viby. |
**Chris Anderson:** Get your friends into coding. Get some -- make an image generator that no one would have expected, and make it go viral on your Facebook. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I've got a phrase for you. Ready for this? |
**Chris Anderson:** I love phrases. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Vibe with friends. |
**Chris Anderson:** Vibe with friends. That's right. |
**Jerod Santo:** There you go. |
**Chris Anderson:** \[01:05:54.24\] And that's coming -- I mean, that's just an easy on switch... Some of the folks we've been talking to are most excited about that this chat interface where you're talking to the LLM and it's writing a code for you - that's multi-user. As soon as we flip on the same sharing mechanism ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Now you really are vibing with friends. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** There you go. |
**Jerod Santo:** Awesome, Chris. Anything else that you expected us to ask you that we haven't asked you, or that you can't wait to tell us about before we let you go? |
**Chris Anderson:** Y'all did a great job. I just can't wait to see what you vibe up. |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm going to vibe some stuff. I'm going to get my kids vibing... This is going to be fun. Vibes.diy, if we haven't said it enough times on the pod. That's your URL. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Vibes.diy. |
**Jerod Santo:** There you go. Tell your friends. Get your kids, get your nieces and nephews - if you're of age similar to ours - out there and do it yourself. I mean, I'm going to throw a few things at this. I think the image gen, like the caricature stuff - do you have a gallery of where... Because sometimes one idea... |
**Chris Anderson:** We moderate the stuff that shows up on the homepage. So we essentially have a carousel. Every time you hit refresh on the homepage, you'll get some new choices. |
**Jerod Santo:** Gotcha. |
**Chris Anderson:** There's some ones that illustrate how you do real things. If you have in your mind, as many of us dorks have, a mental list of APIs that have cores and don't require an API key, I've got for instance a vibe on there that is using Algolia's hacker news search to just bring you the vibe code news. So ... |
**Jerod Santo:** And what's the best way to get in touch with the creators of this, yourself, your team, your community? Is there ways that you can say "Hey, I'd love support for this, that, or the other thing" and you guys don't have it yet? Feedback, or a Discord, or a Zulip, or anything. |
**Chris Anderson:** It's in the Discord, and the Discord is linked from our About page. |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright. Go forth and vibe code with friends... Especially once that multiplayer feature gets toggled on. Let us know, Chris, when that's out there, because we'll definitely give it another shot, and probably another shout-out, as Adam and I could vibe code together. I could be changing his design as h... |
**Chris Anderson:** I'm looking forward to the day when your guests are on here with things they made in Vibes DIY. |
**Jerod Santo:** That'll be amazing. That will be full circle, won't it? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's what I'm trying to talk about. That's cool stuff. That's the way it's got to be done. I can't wait! I'm vibing. I'm vibing. |
**Chris Anderson:** Thanks, Adam. Thanks, Jerod. Super-excited to be here. And yeah, remember, everything we do is open source, so you're invited. |
• Hashrocket's early days as a boutique Rails consultancy |
• Obie Fernandez's role in Ruby's early days and his connection to Adam Stacoviak |
• Adam Stacoviak's attempts to work at Hashrocket and his interactions with Obie Fernandez |
• Jim Remsik's experience working with Hashrocket and his connections to the team |
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