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[S1] Exactly, right? [S2] Yes, no, no, no, but, but, but, um, for me it was Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children. [S1] Oh, God, so good. [S2] So, uh, but, um, and then, well, ironically for me it was like doing more, like, independent films that, um, and I feel like that's what helps me not be cynical and kind o...
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I find often when there's a wild element in a movie, everything else will be, um, static, so that wild element is especially accentuated. Yeah. And what I really liked with the favorite, and it felt very bold, was the, it wasn't like "Killing a Sacred Deer" where it's like, here's the contemporary world and here's this...
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[S1] ... shapeshift. And certainly you don't want to play versions of yourself, but what's the coolest is when an audience can see like real humanity on screen and really like learn about themselves or something, rather than, "Oh, wow, look at that guy go." [S2] Absolutely. [S1] And, um, and I think that goes for the m...
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[S1] be an actor who like waves, like, like sells his struggle or something to validate the role or something. Because what Nick Sheff actually went through is always going to be way crazier than what I would have gone through acting it. And yet, just to, you know, sometimes I feel like your mind knows you're acting, b...
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[S1] That's, uh, well, it, it t- it totally depends on the circumstance and, I guess, the role. But that's, it's funny that you mention that because I've, like, was in- insanely anxious as a child and a therapist told me once that if you're ever, like- [S2] I read about this. [S1] ... in panic, but, but they said to me...
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[S1] But when, do you ever, were you working as you were like still an adolescent? Um, like how old were you when you did your- [S2] Not, I mean, I moved to LA when I was 15 and I, um, by the time, Super Bowl was when I was 17 and then it's been pretty much going since then. [S1] Okay. [S2] And I just turned 30, 10 day...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] I don't know if it's been your experience, but I feel like the more, even right now doing this with you, like, I have met very few bad eggs, I feel like. Um, and I think it's luck too. Like Steve Carell and- [S1] So- [S2] ... Armie McConnell and Lily Rabe and Julia Hart and Greta, like, these are great ...
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[S1] I've been pretty lucky in that sense too. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I've, I've been, there've been so many people, and also, yeah, like people that you become, you work on these things, and I don't think I've ever worked on a film where I haven't made like, at least one lifelong friend. [S2] That's awesome. [S1] That I'm st...
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[S1] Oh, God, blah, blah, blah. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Like a terrible part of Texas. Um, I, uh, so the preparation for that, it wasn't, it wasn't too extensive because we had a long rehearsal process- [S2] Okay. [S1] ... where the year goes. Um- [S2] What's long, like three weeks? [S1] Like three weeks. [S2] Okay. [S1] And, ...
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[S1] ... that gun shooting scene. It's incredible. [S2] The gun shooting scene. [S1] Your face is so amazing in that scene because I don't know, and you don't have to define it for me, but I don't know, it looks like it's trepidation at first, but then you really lean into it and it's like, "Oh my God, is she enjoying ...
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[S1] ... you do your thing and then he can gauge it from there, which I've been actually kind of used to that process and I really enjoy it because it gives you a lot of freedom to sort of, I mean, I love getting in there and being really, you know, like really digging deep into- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... the script, the char...
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[S1] Man, Felix is a dream. And, uh, he made a movie called Broken Circle Breakdown that if you want to weep all day, I- I- [S2] That's the one to watch? [S1] ... watch that. I mean, that's like, it's, it's also a beautiful movie that takes place in Belgium, but has a whole bluegrass musical theme to it. And, uh- [S2] ...
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[S1] ... was like his first gig. [S2] Yeah, 'cause he was 23, maybe, 22 or 23. Um, and I was 17 and, no, it was, it, I was out of my mind with excitement. I was so, so, so happy to do that. I also worked for like eight days on that movie, but it felt like eight months. [S1] Oh, really? Yeah, it feels like, uh ... [S2] ...
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[S1] And then you feel like it helps the acting even, weirdly? Like- [S2] I do. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Because, like what you were saying, if you feel really safe with those people, if you feel like you can be anything in front of them, then that, there's nothing but, you know, freedom. [S1] Right, right. [S2] Then, when you'...
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[S1] I truly have never in the, my whole time working, which is, I guess, longer than, but it's not that long, I guess. It's like 12 or 13 years now. Well, I guess that is kind of long. Um, have never, ever made a decision because I was like, "This is the kind of thing I need to do now." [S2] Okay. Okay. [S1] It's alwa...
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[S1] Yeah, yeah. [S2] ... old statue. [S1] And that's the other thing. I feel like audiences, um, respond, you know, it's almost like the way I think about acting. Like Joaquin Phoenix had a quote where he says, um,
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