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[S1] Okay, hold on. I want everybody to just hear that. Well, I just want to stop there, and I know I'm now going to get criticism for interrupting you, but I have to have- [S2] No. [S1] ... every single Volvo owner hear that. [S2] Okay. [S1] I, I feel like we have been sold a bill of goods- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... that ...
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[S1] Thank you for clarifying it. There's also inter- now, a lot of them start on the outside. There are internal clitoral nerves, we call it the G-spot. There's a lot of sensitive parts inside, but the magic is in the outside. It's like how you have to like warm up, right? You have to warm up your car. I know we're bo...
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[S1] ... responsive and the spontaneous. What happens a lot for vulva owners is our partner, who is a spontaneous reaction to seeing us naked or to seeing us in the kitchen or whatever we're doing, and maybe your partner, Chris, will grab you and say, "I'm in the mood," and you're thinking, "I just have 16 windows open...
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[S1] inaccurate information. [S2] Yeah. [S1] We don't even think to do the research. Now, my career started because I was in my mid-30s thinking, "What is wrong with me? Why aren't I having orgasms like my partner is? He's always having a good time, but what's going on with me?" And I found there wasn't a lot of inform...
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[S1] I think we need to say that this conversation today is going to hit the reset on all of that. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And my mission is to arm us all with the information that you need that is factual, that is driven by your health and self-expression, and by having more connection
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[S1] You know, it, it, it's why we're with somebody romantically. Otherwise, we're just roommates. We, we require intimacy and touch to, you know, it, it also, all this stuff is really great for our nervous system. And I think, I know with all of the shame and misinformation, we sort of are all not really sure what, wh...
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[S1] And we are, but I have always reminded you, we are responsible for our own pleasure and our own orgasms. That's number one. Number two, we often feel that it's shameful. So we grew up in an environment, again, which we talked about, where we were told that masturbation, maybe you're going to go blind. [S2] [LAUGHS...
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[S1] ... the access to a brand new chapter in your life filled with pleasure and the kind of sexual experiences that you want begins with you and solo sex. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And for me personally, you know, I, I just will speak very openly about this. You know, I lost my virginity when I was really young.
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[S1] ... really important to unpack the discomfort I feel on behalf of everybody listening. [S2] Okay. [S1] Okay? [S2] Please do, Mel. [S1] Well, because, you know, when you say, "I'm down for understanding my body, having solo sex, understanding which side, where, what feels good, what doesn't, so I can communicate wi...
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[S1] ... that was a hard no. [S2] Ooh. Okay. [S1] And I don't know what that's about, but it's clearly, I'm not the only one that feels that way. Anybody here in the, in the studio, we see, do I see, I, I'm seeing hands raised. [S2] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Okay. Okay. So this is what you're doing. Well, first, I mean, I would love you to have a conversation with Chris- [S2] Okay. [S1] ... on your next date night. 'Cause I don't think it's something that you just kind of start doing in the bedroom. I think it's great to talk about it first. [S2] Okay. [S1] And so- [S...
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[S1] I'm telling you, there it is. Okay. 'Cause we're gonna, we're gonna loop back in to your, uh, we're gonna work this into your mutual masturbation with Chris tonight. [S2] Okay. [S1] Okay. So, maybe tomorrow? [S2] Tonight. Let's go. [S1] So- [S2] Well, I'm tired. [S1] ... Tonight. [S2] Maybe tomorrow morning. [S1] ...
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[S1] That's a good time to have a conversation. [S2] That's perfect. [S1] Okay. [S2] You're sitting on the couch.
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[S1] Just came in his truck. [S2] He's leaving, going down the driveway and parking down the street and you're in your house. You could be together. [S1] I am going to have this conversation and I feel, why are we so embarrassed about this?
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[S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Yeah. A big one here is breath. Our breath anchors us in the present moment. Maybe everyone can do that with us right now. If we count to five, and the kegel is those P, and men and women can do them too. I just want to say all genders get to do kegels. It's the, the P stopping muscles where we start,...
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[S1] celebrate or prioritize or center on female pleasures. And so I was away with a partner and I brought like my toys and my lubes and we were playing around and I just started to count. And I was doing all the things. You know, some was with him, some was with, you know, fingers and mouths and toys and just water. A...
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[S1] Whether you're in a heterosexual, same sex relationship, committed partnership, or a safe one-night stand. Like how do you- [S2] Okay. [S1] ... Talk to us about the importance of energy- [S2] Okay. [S1] ... exchange with your partner.
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[S1] ... sex, I need to be more in my feminine energy. [S2] Yes. [S1] And I've had to learn to tap into that and what that feels like and to cultivate that. I have to allow my partner to feel like he can come in and sort of, he can sort of bring the energy, he can initiate, not that I don't always initiate, but I need ...
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[S1] ... build. And so it gives him space to take up his masculine when I'm more in my feminine. [S2] Is dropping into that type of energy for yourself something you could do to increase your chance of having an orgasm tonight? [S1] Absolutely.
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[S1] And then you have to listen. Now, again, I can't say this enough. You're like, "What do you mean?" You, they, a lot of times they're in fight or flight now. Perhaps they're on the defensive. You've never talked about it. [S2] They're like, "Oh, babe, let's go." [S1] And you know this is-
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[S1] ... embracing this and being able to not feel shame around it. And I like what you said, how do you feel about that? How does that sound to you? That that's the way you serve up the sex compliment sandwich. That you- [S2] Relieved. [S1] ... then ask them how they're feeling. And that conversation in and of itself,...
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[S1] And so how do you broach that for real- [S2] Mm-hmm. Okay. [S1] ... in your relationship? Because there were a hell of a lot of people that wrote in about it.
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[S1] ... Threesomes. That's like a common one for men and women in America. Like threesomes, group sex, like it's very common. Or I like to think about, but we don't necessarily need it to happen, but we like it to fantasize about it. Or we like, a fetish is actually a requirement for arousal. So unless I see feet, lik...
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[S1] Light some candles. I love massage candles, Mel. They're like regular candles that you light and they, or you're going to get a care package and the, you light them for like 20, 30 minutes and then they go out and you pour it on your partner and it's, don't do this with a regular candle, but it turns into the most...
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[S1] Um, this could be a few things. This could come from shame, feeling like you are actually not supposed to have pleasure. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And from losing control. So maybe they feel the orgasm is coming up in their body and they're so afraid of what they're gonna look like, what it's gonna sound like, they actual...
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[S1] ... that. Um, I mean, that's just a few. There could be sexual thoughts that are, that are disturbing. It could be avoidance of sex, um, flashbacks. [S2] Great. [S1] A lot of it is body too, stuff. So that's, those are some signs. [S2] Um, you have a PhD in human sexuality. You're a sex expert. You've been studyin...
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[S1] And that's your responsibility. That's Dr. Emily's- [S2] It's your responsibility. [S1] ... huge message here, is that you are responsible for your own sexual pleasure. Two final questions. You talk about a yes, no, maybe list. Why, what is it, and why do we all need one?
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[S1] I'm de- I'm printing it out and bringing it to date night. Christopher Robbins, get ready. He's not gonna know what hit him or bit him, depending upon what's on the yes, no, maybe list. [S2] People love it for date night. I've heard a lot of great stories, Mel, so let me know how it goes. [S1] Now, f- can we botto...
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[S1] ... Touch and intimacy away from the orgasm. [S2] Wow. Dr. Emily, I think on behalf of all the vulva owners and penis owners, I want to say- [S1] [CLAPS]
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[S1] Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for helping us create the best chapter of pleasure and sex of our entire lives. I am so excited to report back in detail, not on the podcast, with you. [S2] I'm here for you, Mel. [S1] I know you are. I know you are. Thank you so much. It's just been a real honor to be with you...
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[S1] You ask, I answer. And my friend and colleague Amy McGlynn, who you've heard on this podcast, is going to be reading your questions rapid fire. Let's fucking go. [S2] Okay, Lee asks you, Mel, what are things you've learned from these guest speakers you've had on the podcast that you've implemented yourself? [S1] O...
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[S1] Awesome. And piles are an ADD thing too. You have to work hard, right? If you have a lot of piles- [S2] It's true. [S1] Yeah. So, okay, great. Next question is from Patsy. She needs some relief here. She says, "Mel, how do I stop looking at my ex's social media to catch, to catch a glimpse of their new life?" But ...
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[S1] Because you, there's something familiar about feeling that intensity. And I don't know, if you, if you block somebody, can you look at them? We need to, can somebody research this- [S2] We need to figure that out. [S1] ... and come back to it? Because I want to give a specific example of how you do this, because y...
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[S1] You have to do it. You have to do it. But you can't trust yourself. [S2] Oh, thank you. [S1] You can't trust yourself. [S2] Yeah. It says here from, uh, just a quick Google search, "No, you can't. Once you block someone, you cannot see their profile and they can't view yours." [S1] Great. [S2] So-
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[S1] So there's the answer. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You have to block them. Block them on every single platform because you cannot trust yourself. You are an addict to this because of the emotional and chemical and, you know, all the fancy shit in your brain, the neurotransmitters, this, the receptors, that, that are firing. A...
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[S1] and to realize how your past is in your day-to-day life in the present. This is why you do not have the future that you want. Get this fucking past out of your present, block this shit, and move on. [S2] Right. Block it, stop it, kick it to the curb. Next question. Sarubi says, "Mel, what's your star sign?" [S1] I...
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[S1] I like to think, like the Lieber sign, I'm a very balanced person. Um, and when I get out of balance, like I erupt, I apologize and come back in. It doesn't mean I'm always perfect and in balance, but I feel best in alignment. [S2] All right. Here's a good one. [S1] Okay. [S2] From Missy. She says, "Mel, do you ha...
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[S1] You are about to be born into another world of which you have no understanding of consciousness. And I believe that when you die, the same thing happens and you are born into a whole different world that we have no consciousness of. That's what I believe. [S2] I never heard it put that way, Mel. How, how did you c...
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[S1] ... incredible. [S2] Yeah, it, it was not what they, they taught in Methodist Church. [S1] Right. [S2] Which is what I grew up- [S1] Or biology class. [S2] Yeah, or bio- I don't know. I just think about it on a spiritual plane. I really do. And, you know, I, I grew up going to church and, um, I am one of those peo...
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[S1] But that, you know, that's a person that is no more representation of God or the universe than you or me. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] That, you know, it's really inside of you, this ability to connect to something deeper and to act in the outside world as if you give a shit about people.
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[S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Gorgeous. [S1] Well, I'm glad Missy asked that question. [S2] Me too. [S1] Great question. Okay, here's the next one. How to, how do you deal, Mel, with difficult parents of your kids' friends? So this person's in a friend group with her kids' friends, and these other parents are being pains in the as...
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[S1] And you see it all the time with that sort of fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade lane. [S2] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [S1] And so how you deal with it depends on the age of their kids. And I also find that, um, just having a direct conversation is the best way to deal with it. [S2] With the parent. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Like if the parent is kind of trying to pull the, "We didn't get to mine, he's feeling left out," just be like, "Look, I'm not going to ne- I'm not gonna facilitate my kids' friendships." They're at an age where they can be friends with who they wanna be friends with. And it's not about leaving people out because ...
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[S1] But the second the baby comes out and it's all hanging there, and now you wanna have sex? [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Give me a fucking break.
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[S1] ... with a grain of salt, but what the real takeaway here is really cultivate intimacy with a conversation first and talk to her about it. And make her feel like anything that works for her is okay. That will make her horny as fuck. [S2] [LAUGHS] I love it. [S1] And congratulate
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[S1] Going to Taylor Swift with my two daughters, Mother's Day weekend in Paris. It is my 55th birthday present to myself. [S2] Beat that. [S1] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Give him a treat and tell him to stay. It's right there in that little wooden bowl. [S2] Okay. Okay, cool. [S1] Oh, and one more thing. And no, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language. You know, what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you. This podcast is presented solely for educational and en...
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[S1] You and I are digging into the fascinating science, research, and psychology of drama. [S2] Do you use language like extremely, literally, always, very, really, never. Do you feel anxious or bored when things are calm? Do you end up gossiping and stirring things up? Drama's not about making sense. It's about makin...
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[S1] Dr. Scott Lyons, welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. [S2] Thanks, Mel. I'm so excited to be here. [S1] I'm thrilled. And so I want to start with- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... the most obvious question, which is, what do you mean when you say addicted to drama? What does that even mean?
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[S1] I think this is super easy to spot in other people. [S2] Yeah. [S1] It's the person who's like the bull in the China shop, and everything's about them, and they're very blustery. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But you just included me in the definition when you said unnecessary turmoil. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And I never considered mys...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] ... that there are many areas and examples in my life- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... where I create unnecessary turmoil- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... for myself. And so, for the person listening, can you just go even deeper? [S1] Yeah. [S2] Could you walk us through- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... some of the questions that you migh...
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[S1] But at a cost. [S2] Right. And the thing to think, remember about gossiping, is if people do it with you, they always do it about you. [S1] Exactly. Uh, you crave extreme situations and sensations. [S2] Hmm. [S1] So that might be big feelings, it might be big actions like par- you know, like jumping out of an airp...
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[S1] What are some of the signs that you might feel internally? [S2] And it's important, again, to recognize how we view someone addicted to drama on the outside is different than how people feel on the inside. [S1] Okay. [S2] So from the inside, you might say things, "I don't feel like I can direct my own reality. I d...
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