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[S1] How much of the, uh, NFL 100 have you watched? 'Cause we, we taped all those. So there's in the Ed Reed one, which made me want to watch the whole series, they're talking about this play Ed Reed makes on Manning, and they, where- [S2] Where he set it up previously. [S1] He set it up and it, and he runs two steps a...
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[S1] ... times do we have a guy that shows up and you go, "All of the hope that we have for the next big thing," right? That's why we all love the draft in both of these sports so much, 'cause you're hoping you're actually going to see some version of something you've never seen. And almost 99% of the time we are let d...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] And he still has like 150 more catches than anybody else. Um, touchdowns, like it's just, he, no one's catching him. He's at 208 receiving touchdowns from 85 to 04 and, excuse me, uh, total touchdowns. Total touchdowns, he's at 208. Uh, Randy... [S1] During an era when... [S2] ... when 57.
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[S1] Lo and behold, we had enough people to want to support us to have these girls walk around the street and be photographed. And the photographs that they got through Street Style were getting more attention than the red carpets, perfectly polished gowns. [S2] I think more people relate to street style. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Yeah, that's something that's very important for every brand too. You know what? Stick to what you're good at. I have tried to do other things at Oscar and other things at Monsay, and it's just, just hone in what that brand is known for and celebrate it unabashedly. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, I love it when I see other b...
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[S1] ... to have good financial team for stability financially. [S2] I love that you're head winder and I'm like, fun. I'm like, fun party celebrities, like, I'm like- [S1] I'm like, pay bills, pay bills. [S2] If you're a type A personality- [S1] What's type A, Zach? [S2] I mean, you and I- [S1] Oh, I'm type A, okay.
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[S1] ... be- came out successful, and the things that didn't, we put to the back burner because sometimes we have a mood for that idea that didn't work in another collection. So we really never toss anything. Even at Monsay- [S2] Oh. [S1] ... um, our design director, Nick, always has, like, this back closet that we don...
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[S1] Come this way. Like, just a bit. I don't like how that seam is. So we're seeing it on the real model for the first time. And lot of the times, the mannequin and human bodies behave very differently because we're moving and we're not a solid shape. Like we're- [S2] Mushy. [S1] Mushy. [S2] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] ... the kind of thing that we do. [S2] I guess I like black cow. [S1] [LAUGHS] Um, and, um, I think that maybe do a walk to see if the slit is at the right spot, if you don't mind, Isabel. [S2] It's important to see a model in a movement because women do move around and make sure it looks good when she's walking a...
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[S1] And we also ask our model if it's comfortable, if there's something not feeling right about the outfit, and she will tell us. [S2] I think it's perfect. [S1] Okay.
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[S1] And there's- [S2] Glamorous. [S1] There's a certain elegance to you when you decide to wear an Oscar dress. You need to put on your elegant hat. And that's at least how I feel our customers, when we meet them at trunk shows or events, uh, carry themselves. They have a certain, like, poise to them. [S2] Yeah. [S1] ...
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[S1] Um, depending on a mood that I'm in during the last, uh, three to four months. So that, to me, is very rewarding 'cause unlike architects who have to wait for a year, two years more- [S2] Ten years. [S1] ... to see something beautiful realized, um, it's a little bit more fast-paced. We get to, um, live a little mo...
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[S1] Get excited when they see the outfit on that person that they like. [S2] Yeah. [S1] We pay attention and it all boils down to the final line. [S2] It really sometimes like becomes alive all of a sudden. Like- [S1] Mm-hmm. Us too. [S2] Yeah. We're like, "Oh, wow. That looks amazing." [S1] The first time- [S2] [LAUG...
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[S1] But it's actually like such a important part of the putting collection together. Like we would go to Sebastian's apartment after work, like two days before the show at 10 p.m. just to listen to music. Like it's almost not a work thing, it's like a passion thing. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] The lighting is so important. Even...
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[S1] Deanna Fay, I've so been looking forward to this conversation. Welcome to Modern Love. [S2] Thank you so much for having me. [S1] So your Modern Love essay is full of these vivid scenes of you in your 20s living in Shanghai, and it begins with you and your boyfriend on a date pretty early on in your relationship. ...
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[S1] So this night out clearly takes a turn. [S2] What did it mean to you that those men saw your boyfriend as a Lao Y? [S1] Well, it basically meant that they recognized him as a fellow white man.
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[S1] felt like something subhuman, but also like they had exposed something that I was trying to run away from. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I think I dropped my boyfriend's hand because it just felt like, well, if I push him away, then I don't have to be seen in that light anymore. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I can just be me.
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[S1] And our education system certainly didn't value the language of my family and my ancestors. I mean, they actually forced my parents to stop speaking Chinese to me as soon as I started preschool. [S2] Wow. [S1] So I lost my native tongue and my connection to my relatives and my own grandmother.
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[S1] Wow. [S2] So when those men speak to your boyfriend about you, they don't even speak directly to you. [S1] Right. [S2] When they speak to your boyfriend about you, all of this, it, it sounds like it comes sort of flooding back. [S1] It came flooding back. [S2] And you dropped his hand, not just because of this mom...
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[S1] That is so much to have to navigate in one moment. I wanna back up for a second. How did you end up in Shanghai in the first place before you met your boyfriend? [S2] I was in Shanghai researching my first novel. [S1] Mm-hmm.
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[S1] which was about a Chinese-American family of very strong women who reunite to do a tour of China together for the first time. [S2] Wow. [S1] And they uncover family secrets and family history along the way, including, you know, the role of their own grandmother in the Chinese feminist movement. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] U...
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[S1] can go, but you cannot, you know? [S2] You, you have to stay back. [S1] Right, exactly. And so I would get taken for the tour guide or the translator. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Or sometimes the prostitute if we were at a bar because that was just the way the scene was in Shanghai at that time. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And, you k...
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[S1] And there were always stray cats screaming outside. [S2] Okay. [S1] And, and, you know, I would get woken up every morning by the rickshaw vendors selling sweet potatoes and, and sharpening knives. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And it was such a rich and intense experience. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And it was really kind of a format...
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[S1] Very exploitative, where it always seemed like the local woman was extremely vulnerable in terms of her resources and also any social stigma that would attach itself to her, but never to the guy. [S2] Mm-hmm. You were seeing these models of a type of relationship between a white, expat man, it sounds like, and an ...
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[S1] But when I sat next to him, I just felt this feeling of warmth and well-being, and it just felt nice to be next to him. [S2] Mm. Tell me about your first date. [S1] Yeah. So on our first date, we went to a Thai restaurant in the French Concession, and we walked through some gardens, you know, in this beautiful pos...
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[S1] how we are as a couple. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So he was able to say things like, you know, "Yes, you are supposed to move back to New York, but you don't actually have a job lined up, so move in with me." [S2] Right. [S1] "And what matters to you is finishing your novel, and all I want is for you to be in this life wi...
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[S1] I think I, I raised every possible objection. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I think I, I tested him every which way. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Because it, the question that I was wrestling with was how can you offer to pay for everything for a woman that you've just met and truly want an equal relationship?
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[S1] Well, why don't you read the part of your essay where you talk about that Thursday. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Moving in with him. [S2] I gathered my belongings from my mice-infested studio, and I moved into the journalist's 3,000-square-foot perch in the VIP tower of a hotel compound. I learned to smile less uneasily at ...
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[S1] So you're still kind of telling yourself, like, "This is temporary. This is not forever." [S2] I was. [S1] But you also write that at this time, he's beginning to speak of marriage, which is a type of forever in a lot of ways. [S2] Yes. [S1] So did it feel like he didn't totally understand your struggle? If, if he...
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[S1] And, and I think he also felt like, you know, what I'm offering you is, it's not just money, obviously, you know? It's that I value in you what you value most about yourself, and that is what I want for our future and our lives together. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] He, he was planning forever, and, um, and he,
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[S1] Hmm. So you kept pushing him off 'cause you still had to figure things out. But then I wanna, you know, there's this part of your essay where he says something to you that you really can't push off and that makes you kind of think about- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... your entire relationship differently. And this moment sta...
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[S1] ... through anything and was saying, "It's not only that I accept your struggle, what makes you difficult- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... what makes our relationship difficult, what might make your family and my relationship with them difficult.
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[S1] I don't only accept it, I love it, and I want to make it my own. [S2] Oof. [S1] And then in terms of children, which is just not something that I could imagine at that point. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] His ability to look ahead and say what he said, it took my breath away. And it made me realize that
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[S1] Through all our travels, that wherever we were in the world, he was my home. He had become my home. And that's what stuck with me that night and has stuck with me through the 19 years since we met. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And we've been married for 14 years now.
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[S1] You know, you write in your essay that your husband called you a keeper. Is that something he still says to you? [S2] Um, maybe not. Well, okay, sorry. [S1] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Okay. I guess it's a, to go to a kind of heavy place. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] We recently had a very scary experience where he got a cancer diagnosis. [S2] Wow. [S1] Um, and had to go for a pretty intensive surgery. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And when my husband was wheeled out of surgery, groggy and in pain,
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[S1] He said something like, "My consolation is that I've gotten to look at your eyes all these years." [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] [LAUGHS] And that is forever.
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[S1] He can reach right back to these, I mean, I don't even want to call them lines because they kind of just come from his heart. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And all these years later, I have this sense of,
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[S1] Uh, so, so how long did this crushing on Ronan from afar go on for? [S2] Around six years. [S1] Six years. [S2] Six years. [S1] Six years? [S2] Yeah. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Yeah. [S1] I mean, what do you think made him so hard to-
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[S1] So how did you two actually end up together? [S2] So he had just gotten out of a relationship and so days went by and I didn't hear from him, I didn't hear from my friend. [S1] Mm-hmm.
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