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[S1] Right, great. Um, Marian says sense of belonging to a community. Right, that's interesting. Yes. Um, class, whoops, class equilibrium from Prakash. [S2] Oh, I remember. [S1] And I think you mean the kind of the, yeah, the, the equality between different classes maybe. Um,
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[S1] Do you match? I think the creativity features of students may be curbed. That's interesting, right? To curb means to reduce the creativity. So maybe I should put up some of these ideas, right? [S2] Yeah, if you, if you could write some of these down, Keith, that would be great, 'cause maybe we can look at them in ...
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[S1] So I'll just put up a few of these as we're going. We talked about class equality. Um, Ismael says they feel extensive discipline. So I will try and type. I'm a terrible typer. [S2] Yeah, and I really like the idea about a sense of belonging to a community. I don't know if you can ride that one up as well, Keith. ...
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[S1] Whether it's the lack of identity or whether it's literally the physical feeling of having to wear an uncomfortable school uniform, makes him feel horrible. [S2] Dong. [S1] 'Cause that's the other- [S2] Cancer. [S1] ... school uniforms. Often they're made of durable but very uncomfortable material. At least, um, i...
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[S1] Yeah, you definitely want to put those kind of ideas together, 'cause there's definitely some overlap there between a sense of belonging and a sense of unity. [S2] Yeah. [S1] They're absolutely great ideas. [S2] They're great. So we, we're actually putting them together. Zia says, "No discrimination." Similar idea...
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[S1] So maybe as a group now altogether, we can think of some ideas about, um, how parents would feel about their children having to wear a school uniform. So certainly, um, some might feel happy about it because it's more affordable. How else might they feel? [S2] I'm multitasking here. [S1] No, you're doing very well...
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[S1] Wow. I'm trying to get, you have some great expressions there. Makes use of a monopolistic power. Schools make use of a monopolistic power. Great. [S2] I don't want to be quoted on that. [S1] [LAUGHS] Um, I can't remember what else you said there, but never mind. That was good. Something about- [S2] I think I was-
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[S1] I think I would have mentioned that, yeah, exactly. Sometimes parents will have to fork out a lot more money for their s- children's school uniform than what they would necessarily pay if they were going to high street shops. But not always. [S2] Yeah. Fork out. That's interesting. Is that a phrasal verb you would...
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[S1] and you do see it more often in writing than in, um, than in speaking. [S2] Yeah. [S1] In general, there tends to be fewer phrasal verbs in, and idioms in writing, but they do appear, and usually there's writing-specific idioms or phrasal verbs. Things like, like carry out. Again, that's the kind of thing that I l...
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[S1] ... the writing course coming next week. Great. Um- [S2] So should we move on to the next group, which I think was the f- the final group were the, the teachers. [S1] Yes. Yeah. How will it affect teachers?
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[S1] Rohit says, "Teachers can distinguish students easily based on the uniforms." [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I would have thought the opposite, but that's interesting. [S2] Maybe between schools, that is. [S1] Mm. Right, so maybe we could put something there.
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[S1] Yeah, completely. I hadn't thought about it in the slightest, but certainly that's true. Um, we have all sorts of kinda un- unconscious bias when it comes to different, um, clothing. And you, you, you don't really want students to treat each other differently because of the clothing that they wear, but you certain...
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[S1] easier. I guess the idea that the teacher cannot, um, won't discriminate students in that sense. [S2] Exactly. [S1] Um- [S2] Okay, Keith, shall we stay on this for a little bit longer or shall we move on? [S1] I think we should move on. Just given the time, we've got some nice ideas here. Um, and lots of ideas com...
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[S1] Some- [S2] [LAUGHS] Angelica. Nice one, Angelica. [S1] Angelica. [S2] Karishma, we're talking about IELTS writing, and we're looking at the topic of uniforms in school. So we'll just take a minute. Um, while we're waiting just for a second, I'm going to put on some nice relaxing music.
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[S1] Yeah, yeah, certainly. And, and the way that you express that as well, um, is, is you would want to elaborate slightly on, on why Prince on t-shirts are an example of being able to ex- express your identity. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So you'd want to say something along the lines of, uh, for example, some students choose
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[S1] particular print on t-shirts that express a music choice or a political belief or an idea about the world, for example. [S2] Mm. [S1] So it's often, it's often about how you, um, how you frame your idea and your example. [S2] Sorry, I'm typing quite slowly and badly. For example, certain t-shirts may represent the...
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[S1] Exactly right, yeah. And so maybe actually just, uh, maybe we can kind of look at one more idea and come up with an example together, Keith, and then we can just continue with the lesson. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Just 'cause there's a few more things that we need to get through. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So, um, from, from a parent'...
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[S1] Um, let's move on now, if you don't mind, Keith. [S2] Sure. [S1] And we'll talk a bit about, um, developing some good habits in your preparation time before you go to do your IELTS test. So, um, basically there's kind of five steps that will help you, um, to write better essays and, um, to be able to develop your ...
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[S1] Nice. That's brilliant. It was a bit slow loading, but it's well worth, um, having a look at. The moderators have shared the link. We will also put the link in the notes at the end. There was another website, but given the time, I think we'll skip over it and I think we'll move on, Eli. Otherwise we will get- [S2]...
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[S1] where we were. [S2] Yeah, that makes sense. [S1] You were talking about researching the topic. [S2] Yeah, step three was researching your topic. Step four would be just writing your essay. Important to actually write your essay and not just, uh, skip over that, which a lot of people do in their preparation. And th...
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[S1] ... but I think it's a real comfort food for eating. Yeah. [S2] It is. It is. Yes. Guys, what's this one? Alarm plus nose. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Coffee. Is it coffee or is it tea? Any ideas?
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[S1] ... IELTS writing, but I think we're moving on to look at tips for managing time. Is that right, Eli? [S2] Yes. Yes. We're going to look at five tips now for managing your time in the IELTS test, or in the IELTS writing test. [S1] Okay. [S2] So again, this is another thing, um, that a lot of people complained abou...
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[S1] And that makes a, that's a much better system than focusing, for example, on one task and then moving immediately on to the second task. So read task two first, but start writing task one first. [S2] Wow. [S1] What do you think about that, Mon-Kee?
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[S1] Um, and then that way, for example, they know what it feels like and they know how many, uh, or what it looks like when they've written 150 words, 250 words, even 350 words. So they don't need to waste time doing things like counting words at the end of their essays to make sure that they've met the word count. [S...
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[S1] No, it's exactly the same test. Exactly the same test. [S2] Good. Just to be clear. [S1] Just to be clear. [S2] Good. [S1] So, tip number four would be to get familiar with the common topics and question types. So, we're not going to go into too much detail, but basically, especially in the IELTS essays, you've go...
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[S1] Um, students should wear a school uniform. Do you agree or disagree, or to what extent do you agree or disagree? So that's an agree, disagree question. And actually, most IELTS questions are agree, disagree questions, so you should spend a lot of your preparation time preparing for these agree, disagree questions....
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[S1] ... the problems and solutions for encouraging people to recycle or to buy electric cars. What stops people from buying electric cars? Um, what can pe- what can be done to solve these problems? Um, so that would be an example of a double question. [S2] What is a double question exactly? Why is it a double question...
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[S1] And then it might say, and then, um, recommend some solutions. So in this case, it's a double question because there are two parts to this question that you need to mention. [S2] Right. [S1] And again, these can come in various forms. So you might even have something like, um, if we're looking at school uniforms, ...
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[S1] And then that would be the first question. And then below that, it would say, "Do the advantages of school uniforms outweigh disadvantages?" [S2] Right. [S1] So again, it's a tricky one because ultimately you're, you're having to write two parts to this question. [S2] Yeah. [S1] The causes for school uniforms and ...
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[S1] That's very, very interesting. So I imagine the structure of your essay is very important, how you structure the different ideas there. And I guess that's something we're not looking at today, but something that we will touch on probably in Monday, next Monday's live lesson. And also Eli, in your online course for...
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[S1] Yeah, I even, I spoke to one, um, one student that had a kinda interesting, uh, study method that I really liked. Um, um, what she did is she, she took these model essays, so the model essays that I have on my website, and she was just, um, reading one before she went to bed every night. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And just...
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[S1] Exactly, yeah. In the same way that someone might be able to look at the, the Procon website, Procon.org website that we looked at earlier in this lesson. And, um, and just kind of, uh, developing their own ideas on those particular topics and engaging with the ideas mentioned on the website. [S2] Yeah, fantastic....
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[S1] So that's certainly something that is covered in detail in the writing course on your platform. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, so they'll have access to that on Wednesday. And, um, it's gonna be something that we touch on in Monday's lesson as well. [S2] Right.
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[S1] and Maria as well. Lovely. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Nice. And it's nice, KDI, to see that. The motivation to develop more ideas. I'm very pleased that it is motivating you. That's why we are here. [S2] Yeah, that's beautiful.
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[S1] I don't know how many people, or the first few days, it will be cheaper. There'll be special offers going on. So do join us on Wednesday. We'll do a kind of another live session to tell you more about it and show you a bit more detail about the course. Um, so next Wednesday, it'll be like a launch party telling yo...
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[S1] Right. Fantastic. It's a great name. I like it. Datio. But I'll call you Dat. That's fine. Um- [S2] Keith. Keith, right? [S1] Keith, that's right. Exactly. With that strange th sound. [S2] Th. [S1] [LAUGHS] So many people struggle with. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Keith, um, so I'm based here in Spain. Where, where do you liv...
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[S1] A lot of people, but that's what a lot of people do here in Vietnam. [S2] Right. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Nice. And if, if you've got any plans for next weekend? [S1] Um.
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[S1] And- [S2] When do people wear the traditional kind of clothes? [S1] Oh, like, "ao dai." I think you've heard of this, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, when... Okay, one situation I can think of is when, uh, like, female students, uh, they have to put on "ao dai," uh, during the first day of... Oh, during Monday, uh, on ...
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[S1] Oh, school children. I suppose that's, uh, that would be a good idea because you would need to be able to identify who is a student at your school. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So I think, uh, having
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[S1] Oh, I have a question for you because, uh, some examiners are really against, uh, informality in, in, in an IELTS speaking exam. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So I'm not sure if my style, because I received a comment before say, uh, uh, saying that I sounded a bit too chummy. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] In, in, in exam and it, I shoul...
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[S1] How, how, I mean, what about you with, with. [S2] With you personally, I mean, learning English and preparing for IELTS, what, what, what's your approach and strategy? [S1] Uh, it's more of like in Vietnam, Vietnamese will have the same bath in the language. I don't know if that's the same in English. So- [S2] Mm,...
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[S1] ... and the way that you carry yourself when you say certain expressions. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And the kind of emotion that you have to express. So all of that, I think I picked up from movies and shows.
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[S1] Right. Interesting. So I, for you the, the, the most important bit was the foundation of the language, having a really good, um, strong foundation in the language that you got through, as you say, bathing yourself in English. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Um, and then the, the, the kind of the knowing the exam and the tips i...
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[S1] ... intermediate level. And that's the way, the, the position I'm in. And I'm still there. Even though I still speak Chinese, I still practice Chinese, um, I haven't got any better. Like in the last eight years. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I've been, I've been at the same level for a long time. [S2] Oh, so true. How challe...
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[S1] is, is okay. Better than zero. I mean, that's, that's, that's what, how I did it. [S2] Fantastic. I, I totally agree. That being persistent, consistent is, is much better than cramming for seven hours in one day in the week. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Totally agree. That's great. And, um, I mean, looking back now, what tips ...
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[S1] Um, thank you so much, Kate. Um, this one, um, this is even without the video, no, I would really like to say I am really grateful for you. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, I'm really grateful for your course, and I hope that, um, many students or many people around the world will find your course because it was really helpf...
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[S1] Great. Um, so I'm here with Josh. Great. Josh, nice to see you. [S2] Nice to see you, Keith. Thank you for having me. [S1] How are you doing today? [S2] I'm okay. I'm, I'm hot 'cause I'm in a, a, a hot room in Japan right now. There's not a lot of air conditioning here, so. [S1] That's right. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Yo...
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[S1] ... speaking, actually. So we would help them improve. So that, that was the big thing that, that has made us different, is that we really focus on trying to improve students' scores, instead of just preparing them for the test, actually improving their- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... strategy and also their English ability ...
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[S1] ... want, your score and your ability. So if you're, you know, pretty far away from your score, it means you have to, like you said, improve your general listening skills. Um, and, you know, the, there's one distinction that I, I make with students. I guess there's so many things to say, I'm trying to think where ...
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[S1] the content of your consuming to get the most benefit out of it. [S2] Right. [S1] Uh, a lot of students think like, you know, if, if I understand about 70% of the text, it's okay, that, that's actually kind of hurting you more than it's helping. [S2] Right. [S1] Um, because it's really hard to understand if you on...
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[S1] usually talk to students about, just kind of some things that they think are helpful. [S2] Mm. [S1] Uh, that might be a misconception. [S2] Right. [S1] Uh, and a big, a big one is, is trying to do something that's too difficult.
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[S1] Right. So that's, yeah, that's interesting. Comprehensible input. That's the, the creation theory, right? Around having comprehend, the kind of level plus one idea. So- [S2] Right. [S1] So you, you basically, if students are finding they're listening to something and it's really so difficult they're not getting li...
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[S1] Right. I mean, if you enjoy it and it's engaging, great. You know, like that's the most important thing. I mean, if you don't understand most of it but you love watching the show Friends, let's say, or something, you know, then, then keep doing it, uh, because at least you're engaged and you're thinking about it. ...
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[S1] might be a little bit more painful, I would say. [S2] Right, right. [S1] You know, like actual TOEFL practice or, or, or, you know, that, that kind of thing. So I would, I would balance it between the two of, you know, doing something that you enjoy, that's pretty easy, that you understand most of it. Uh, and the ...
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[S1] Never in your own language. [S2] Okay. [S1] Uh, never, ever, ever. [S2] Right. [S1] That, that, I'm, I'm, because then, then you're, then you, you're just gonna get lazy and you're not, you're just not gonna do the work of trying to figure out what's going on. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, the only time I would say that, ...
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[S1] Uh, so usually when, like when I study Japanese, for example, I watch a show and I make flashcards with the sentences that I want to study. [S2] Right. [S1] Um, like so th- there's, there's, uh, apps like, there's a, there's a tool on a Google Chrome called the, there's a Chrome extension called Language Learning ...
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[S1] the best thing. Um, and there's so much out there- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... that you don't really need to have like a, a special book, you know, English book for that. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, you can find content on Netflix or YouTube or whatever, and now there's tools where you can actually make flashcards and do ...
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[S1] and then ending up reviewing those. This, I'm showing my age, but this was before the days of, um, flash card, Anki and stuff like that. So- [S2] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [S1] ... I just used to write them down and review them. But basically now- [S2] That's great. [S1] ... you know, with Anki or with, as you say, the La...
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[S1] Yeah, I mean, so for me, I'm studying Japanese kind of a, like an hour or two every day for the past, uh, I, I've have time to study finally, but so for the past eight months or so- [S2] Wow. [S1] ... and, and, and like with ... [LAUGHS] No, no, no, no, no. If you're thinking about what you're doing,
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[S1] You know, if you're thinking about the sentences, writing them down, reviewing them, that's the best thing. You know, you're thinking about it. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And, and th- that, that's the most important thing, is that you're just kinda thinking and trying. Uh, that's one thing that I noticed about using the Anki...
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[S1] Um, and then I guess having both, so you talked about extensive listening and intensive listening. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I think a similar thing as in listening to shorter texts and also to longer texts. Because I find I like to do listening where I kind of take a minute of, of something and, um, I just analyze that m...
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[S1] ... repeating some of the phrases or, and just really analyze that for a minute. And that might be my 20 minute study. And another day, my 20 minute study might be I listen to a 20 minute, 20 minute podcast and I've got that extensive listening practice. [S2] Right, right, right. [S1] Because, because the thing is...
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[S1] And out of curiosity then, is the TOEFL, are the listenings all American accents or do you have like different country accents? [S2] Uh, so, so the TOEFL IBT, um, which is the traditional TOEFL test that everybody knows- [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] ... and according to ETS loves, um, is, uh, is, is the, uh, is pretty straig...
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[S1] British accent, but it was pretty rare. [S2] Okay. [S1] Um, I haven't heard one in a while. [S2] Right. [S1] Uh, but they have this new test, the TOEFL Essentials test. [S2] Sure. [S1] And that has accents from all over. Um, some even AI, uh, voice, uh, speech to text, or no, text to speech. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, so...
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[S1] ... UK, it's all over. [S2] It's a common, it's a common misunderstanding, right? The IELTS is a British test and therefore it's all British English. It's, it's not at all. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] It's, it's very much an international test and so they deliberately have mainly your different standard English. So you'll g...
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[S1] or the Voice of America. [S2] Right, right. [S1] And they get focused on that one accent. And for IELTS- [S2] Right, right. [S1] You've got to listen to everything. You've got to tune into Australian TV, South African, you know, radios, um, whatever it is. You- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... you need a wide range, a wide ran...
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[S1] And yeah, I mean, especially nowadays, you have to be able to communicate, you know, not just a country that the first language is English, but, you know, people who are both speaking their English as their second language, you know, that's what we're going to do most of your communicating actually in my experienc...
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[S1] I, I think it's invaluable also just generally speaking, to be, to be listening to, um, even the, well, not non-standard accents, but accents from other countries, right? It's a, to- [S2] Right, right. [S1] The Japanese speak in English, the Chinese speak in English, the Indian speak in English because- [S2] Mm-hm...
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[S1] Uh, voice typing on Google Docs. You know, so if they use Google Docs, they can do voice typing and the, you know, they can speak and they can see if the, if Google Docs is recognizing what they're saying. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, but they have different English accents. And it, it's not just what you would imagine l...
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[S1] ... is the patterns that a lot of speakers from different areas of the world, and how they speak English. It's very interesting. [S2] That is interesting. I'm going to try that. I haven't tried that yet. [S1] Yeah, yeah. [S2] Yeah, nice. [S1] Yeah, voice typing. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a nice little, especially for...
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[S1] Not, no. My wife is Chinese. [S2] Wow. Okay. [S1] Yeah. And our daughter was born in Beijing, um, but she's a British national and we all speak Spanish. It's a bit of a strain. [S2] [LAUGHS] Uh, that's interesting. Yeah. My, my wife's Japanese.
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[S1] ... for listening, you basically get to listen to general English and academic English. You get to listen to one speaker giving a monologue, um, and conversation speakers, you know, for, for general and academic. Um, what, what's it like in TOEFL? [S2] Can I ask a question, uh, about IELTS? [S1] Yeah. [S2] So ther...
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[S1] Exactly. General and academic listening is exactly the same, a- as is the speaking. So whether you, so the speaking and listening tests are the same for academic modules and general modules. [S2] Okay, I see. Um, so, uh, with the listening, it's, uh, so for the, I'll talk about the IBT. The essentials is new, so t...
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[S1] Uh, listening passages. They separate it into two parts. It's, uh, one conversation, two lectures, one conversation, one lecture. Uh, the, the questions, you don't see the questions until after the listening. So it's important to take notes and to, you know, kind of be very focused while you're listening. [S2] Oka...
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[S1] Five minutes, I say it very quickly and simply, but it's a long time to sit and listen to, to somebody. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And to focus. And then to remember all that information and try to use it to answer the questions, it's tough. So it's, it's a tough test, tough listening.
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[S1] That's very interesting, 'cause that's, that's, um, a different approach from IELTS, because IELTS, basically, you get to read the questions first, and one of the key strategies is to read the questions first, carefully, and be guessing- [S2] Oh, I see. [S1] ... what the answers could be, right? I mean, when you, ...
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