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[S1] And you saw Modi in India? [S2] Pardon? [S1] Did you see Modi in India? [S2] Not yet. I'm looking forward to that. [S1] So you'll go to India. Finally, there's this. Um, you're one of the world's richest people. Uh, your company is one of the world's richest companies. What do you want beyond Alibaba?
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[S1] Well, about richest people, I was, uh, I told my, I was really not happy in the past few months when people say Jack Ma is the richest people of China. [S2] Global celebrity, they said. [S1] And, and, and, no, I'm not, I'm not, because when I start a business- [S2] No, you are. You are.
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[S1] I never felt rich person in China, rich person in Hangzhou. Oh, you want to be your husband, to be respected person. She said, "Of course respected." Because she never believe, and I don't believe we'll be rich people. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] We just want to survive. But I believe we have $1 million. That's your money....
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[S1] Someday, I will go back to teach, go back to school, spend time with the young people and telling, sharing with them what I've done. So the money is not mine. I just are happily and, um, having this resources and I want, uh, a do better job. [S2] Just tell them your story. [S1] Yeah, tell them the story and tell t...
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[S1] Jennifer, thank you so much for joining us here today. [S2] Thank you. [S1] Your new movie, Second Act, takes on some pretty meaty workplace topics. [S2] [LAUGHS] Yeah. [S1] The idea of your career being, feeling stuck or barriers, either real or internal, that are stopping people from getting to where they wanna ...
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[S1] and you can break through any barrier. But sometimes that, that's a long road. That's a hard journey. [S2] Have you had that experience? [S1] I
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[S1] So do you make it a point when you, you have so many people working for you or working with you- [S2] Right. [S1] ... you can make choices about who's on the set with you. Are you looking for degrees? Do you actively go out and look for people who don't have degrees?
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[S1] and all that, you know, kind of everybody's adding is the money and kind of money you can get anywhere in a sense, right? That's, that's in, in private equity world and in the business world it's like, "Oh, it's just money," right? And you're like, "Really? It's just money? So I'm actually the thing that's- [S2] R...
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[S1] Well, it wasn't like I, I was turning down a crazy amount of work 'cause it wasn't coming in. [S2] All right. So you were able to stay focused. [S1] I was, I was not only focused, I was just determined to make you realize what I am. [S2] Right. [S1] 'Cause I know what I am. Nobody else knows what you are but you. ...
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[S1] at me not finishing the job at hand. By the time I'm done, Hollywood is going to go, "Whoa, that guy is out there moving tickets. Who is this new star?" Keep in mind, I've been around for years. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But they don't know, and they don't have a real reason to. But now I'm going to force your hand. I'm g...
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[S1] Once I figured out how to get heartbeat productions running and off the ground, things started to click so much easier. [S2] Hm. That was the turning point? [S1] Yeah. [S2] Starting your own company? [S1] Well, because now I'm producing for me. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Oh my God, this is huge. It clicked. And when it cli...
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[S1] Not only develop, produce, I also know how to engage. [S2] What are you like as a, as a manager? Are you a hands-on guy? Do you build this- [S1] Hands-on. [S2] Really? [S1] Hands-on. [S2] Like daily meetings- [S1] Hands-on. [S2] ... monthly, you, you, you're, you're following, you're looking at the spreadsheets, y...
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[S1] I like it because right now it's, it's my baby. [S2] Right. [S1] I'm watching it evolve because I'm putting the pieces to the puzzle in place. I'm hiring the right people. I'm, I'm having the people that I hire feel comfortable enough to know that they're a part of something that's much, much bigger. [S2] Mm-hmm. ...
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[S1] We spent a lot of this week talking about the Oscars controversy. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You talk about, um, helping out young comedians. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Guiding the way for them. What lessons should they take out of what you've just been through? [S2] If you take a lesson from what I've been through, just pay attent...
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[S1] Pay attention, man. Just one man's misfortune is another man's fortune, you know? Uh, there's lesson learned in, in, in all of this for everyone. And it's just, it's, it's very easy for things to go away. It's hard to achieve them. [S2] Right. [S1] It's very hard to get there. It's easy for it to go away. And you'...
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[S1] That's another thing that I would say, you know, be true to you. Don't, don't let other people dictate who you are and what you should be. I think we're all smart enough to know right from wrong, and we're all smart enough to fix whatever the wrong is to make it right. In doing so, do it while staying true to you....
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[S1] think about it. [S2] It's a very thin line. [S1] Hm. [S2] Because you can easily, you can easily get off balance. [S1] Right. [S2] But as long as you're conscious and aware of it, you know, you'll, you'll be okay. That's what, that's, that's what I'll say. You know, just, just be aware, man. Be aware. But I, I wil...
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[S1] It only gets, uh, it only gets tougher as you get bigger. [S2] Right. [S1] But, there is an approach to still trying to be edgy. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You're, you're a comedian. If you're a comedian, you're supposed to be able to say the things that other people think, but they won't say.
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[S1] ... then by all means do it. I'm not here to change you. [S2] Right. [S1] Do it. Not here to change it all, but just be smart in your approach to it. And I would say that I think that's the, the dopest thing about my change is that I've, I've done that. And that's why I decided just to be done with the situation b...
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[S1] No, you definitely don't say that. I'm not a, I'm not a dream killer. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I just don't like talkers. So many people love to say what they're going to do. So many people love to voice it just so they can hear themselves say it. [S2] Right. [S1] Yeah, man, you know what I'm thinking about doing today? ...
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[S1] Just like to hear, just like to hear yourself say it. [S2] Right. [S1] It's so hard for some people to follow through and actually put action behind the words. So my advice is to not be a talker because you can.
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[S1] ... taking information and going and using it, don't ask for it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So my advice is to not be a talker, be a doer. Be a person that wants to put punctuations on sentences and not just keep running them on. Run on sentences are the worst. They just don't stop. You're like, "Where's your period?" [S2]...
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[S1] Um, yeah, man, I guess you could say that. You know, a lot of things I learned by being, just being around the game. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? So by the age of six, I was already strategizing versus other six-year-olds, you know? The age of six, I figured out six-year-olds couldn't dribble with their left hand. [S2...
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[S1] Well, yeah, well, imagine six. So like, when I was playing, these six-year-old kids, I would make them dribble with their left, 'cause I knew they couldn't. And so, they'd dribble off their foot, I'd pick it up, lay it up. Do it again. Dribble off foot, pick it up, lay it up. So at six years old, I had 63 points. ...
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[S1] Yeah. But, um, but yeah, I mean, listen, I, I just constantly looked for things to learn from. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And, uh, you know, very observed.
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[S1] Okay, so when we talk about the Mama mentality, uh, you have your exhibition today starting in Shanghai, right? [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, also, we've been talking about this whole tour with young kids, uh, that are five, 10, 15, 20. We've been, we just did a Kobe Academy right now. We talk about being passionate. [S2]...
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[S1] You know, what, what is that? Uh, is there, is there a, is there a moment where you can define your passion for the game or was it just something accumulated over time? [S2] Well, I mean, you know, the passion came from the love for the game. You know, I, I loved everything about it. Like the smell of the ball. [S...
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[S1] I gradually would not. [S2] I was two. I was born and I, I was born to play basketball, you know what I mean? And I played a lot of different sports, um, but nothing brought me the sense of, of, of peace and of, uh, escape, you know, that the game of basketball do. [S1] Is it an escape when you get on the court? I...
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[S1] The mom becomes dad. [S2] It's there, you know? So it's, yeah, the game is absolutely everything for me. [S1] Mm-hmm. When, when you, when we talk about trying to get kids to be passionate, I don't think every kid, I don't think your situation is the norm. Not every kid is, knows their passion at two or five, righ...
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[S1] ... way into it. [S2] Yeah, I mean, I think as parents we try to put them in different things. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] We try to expose them to as many things as possible and then, uh, see if there's one thing that connects with them. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] You know, because if it does, you don't have to tell them to do it. ...
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[S1] It's interesting because you, you talk about kids, right? Originally we were talking about you, now you're talking about your kids and their passions. Do you, do you kinda feel that passion for them and, and say, "Hey, let's go play some basketball or volleyball or let's go swimming." [S2] Yeah, we, we expose them...
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[S1] I want them to find whatever it is that they're passionate about. Like whatever they feel like their purpose is, then that's what I want them to do. [S2] Do they love basketball, though? [S1] Um, so I, my, my youngest one, um, she does. [S2] Uh-huh. [S1] And she wants to, she wants to play. [S2] Uh-huh. [S1] And s...
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[S1] No, it doesn't, it never leaves. It never leaves. Like I, you know, the game is just a part of me. Um, so it never leaves. Even now that I'm retired, you know, I, everything that I've learned from the game of basketball, I've carried it over into life. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, like basketball's helped me be a b...
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[S1] Like attention to detail and, um, empathy and compassion. Like all those things are in the game. And, uh, as an athlete, if we are aware of those things, um, it helps us become better human, human beings. [S2] Mm-hmm. And you can apply that toward your post, post-basketball days, your retirement into your business...
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Uh, next up is, uh, the next pillar, be obsessive. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Obsessive. That's, I think, uh, I think a lot of people equate that with you. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] You know, Kobe is obsessive in a lot of things. Uh, we've been doing this for, what, eight years now, Asia Tour. You know, I've been with you for a long ...
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[S1] Okay. So if, if, if your job is to try to be the best basketball player you can be. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? To do that, you have to practice, you have to train, right? You want to train as much as you can, as often as you can. So if you get up at 10 in the morning, train at 11, right? 12, say 12, train at 12, tra...
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[S1] Right? And so now you do that and as the years go on, the separation that you have with your competitors and your peers just grows larger and larger and larger and larger and larger. And by year five or six, it doesn't matter how, what kind of work they do in the summer, they're never gonna catch up 'cause they're...
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[S1] Man, like in high school. [S2] Wow. [S1] High school, we start, my first class in high school was seven, at 745. I used to get to the gym around 5 a.m. and I'd play before school. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And then school would start. [S2] Who's playing with you at 5 a.m.? [S1] My coach. So my coach would show up and we'd...
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[S1] When, uh, when I, when I brought it up, like, where do you, is it genetic or you just learned it? I mean, how, how did that idea even come up? Because that's obviously a, a pillar of Mama mentality, the obsessiveness. This is just, like you said, I'm gonna get up at four, everybody's get up at six. If everybody's ...
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[S1] Well, I, I think it's just, you know, it's just a matter of what's important to you. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And what's important to you. For, for whatever reason, you know, I, I felt like, um, I didn't feel good about myself if I wasn't doing everything I could to be the best version of myself. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] If I f...
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[S1] has become me also. I mean, I don't know what happened, but it just sort of went. But, but that's what happens when you have a vision for yourself. You see, you, you can be here, right? And then you have your vision, and then all of a sudden- [S2] The two merge. [S1] They come together. [S2] You become aligned. [S...
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[S1] So, so twice you've said you have mental health issues. [S2] Yes. [S1] What does that mean for you? Because as I was sharing with you on the phone, I have a girl's school with girls who've come from traumatic backgrounds. [S2] Yes. [S1] And I didn't know until I started this school, 'cause I had this idea that I'm...
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[S1] And- [S2] As a result of the rape? [S1] As a result of being raped, uh, and, uh, also, uh, not processing that trauma. Uh, I did not have anyone help me. I did not have a therapist, I did not have a psychiatrist, I did not have a doctor help me through it. I just, all of a sudden became a star and was traveling th...
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[S1] and help me see the path. And if you show me that path, I will walk down it. And do you know what, Oprah? Look where that path has led me. I am sitting right next to you. [S2] Ah. [S1] [APPLAUSE] [S2] Ah, desert. Every time. Asking you shall be given. What has been your greatest spiritual awakening?
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[S1] I think my greatest spiritual awakening actually has been quite recent. I think it's that I realized that I have the chronic pain that I have for a reason, and I don't mean to be like God gave it to me, you know? And I, I don't, also don't believe in that, like, you know, karma thing where, like, you're sick becau...
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[S1] This happened for a reason. All the things I've been through, I think they ha- they were supposed to happen. I was supposed to go through this. [S2] Even the rape. [S1] Even the rape. All of it. I think I was supposed to go through all of these things. I radically accept that they happened, and I think it happened...
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[S1] 'Cause you can't, you can't give what you don't have. [S2] I can't look away. [S1] Yeah. [S2] 'Cause now when I see someone in pain, I can't look away because I go, "Oh, no, you're in pain. I'm in pain too." And then now, I'm in problem-solving mode. I got my suit on and my heels and I'm ready to go. [S1] [LAUGHS]...
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[S1] It slammed down, and my whole body started tingling, and I started screaming. [S2] Where were you? [S1] I was in a hospital. [S2] Oh. [S1] And-
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] I do, uh, transcendental meditation. Um, it's, it's great. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Uh, Bob Roth taught me. [S1] Bob Roth taught me? [S2] Uh, isn't he great? [S1] He's great. [S2] He's great. Sorry. [S1] Okay. [S2] Uh, uh, so I do that, and when I slip up on it, you know, it's not the best because it's like a, i...
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[S1] ... every morning collecting $50 checks and cashing them, and I paid for my junior year of college. [S2] [LAUGHS] That's quite a story. It seems like that's been happening to you ever since. [S1] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Um, but I think there is more work involved, uh, more recently. Um, you're well known for having opinions. [S2] Yep. [S1] Um, and so I'm hoping to elicit a number of them from you. Um, and as a matter of fact, you have so many hot button issues, I wasn't really sure which one to start with. Um, but, but I, we may ...
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[S1] Just a simple question like that, right? [S2] Solve it for us. [S1] Uh, solve it for us. I think the, the primary problem that we're facing, I think, and everybody's recognizing this, is bipartisanship, right? Every, everybody, everybody's so partisan in their feelings, right? Everybody think, is so philosophicall...
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[S1] ... to sort of switch to another part of one of your rants has to do with the way that our current regulations are, are, are set up for patent law. [S2] Right. [S1] For example, um, your, uh, approach to patent law is similar- [S2] Get rid of them. [S1] ... to, to houses that are on the market, which is- [S2] Yeah...
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[S1] But in reality, what is YouTube evolved to? It's a utility that in essence subsidized the bandwidth for video of the world. [S2] Now, how can that be a bad thing? [S1] Well, it's not bad for us, right? But in reality, from a business perspective, what if they really, you can do that anytime. They didn't have to go...
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[S1] All right, let, let's pull back to the, to the theme of this session, which is innovations and the impact, particularly of technology, uh, on our future. [S2] Yep. [S1] Um, what do you think the most important technologies and/or trends are right now that are going to affect the near term, one to three years- [S2]...
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[S1] Well, I mean, look, there's, you can go in a different, different, a million different areas there. I don't think there's any one. I mean, long-term, big picture personalized medicine is it. I mean, think about it. The fact that you walk into a drugstore, you buy a bottle of aspirin, and you don't really read the ...
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[S1] ... something like 189 or so, something like that. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And that's the third concerto, but, but I actually haven't done it for a couple of years. So I've been turning my, um, my attention to quite a lot of other things recently. Uh, very different repertoire. Uh, so I've tended to, to sort of slightly p...
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[S1] Uh, and I wonder if Alfred Brandl's watching this, actually. It'd be very interesting to know. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Um, and I would like very much to discuss it with him because he's obviously got an opinion that's based on something other than those words. So I would be very intrigued to know. Um, th- there is some...
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[S1] Unbelievable stretch. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But I think there are quite a lot of people with very large hands, but not with very slim fingers at the same time. And that's what made him unique. And you can feel it in everything that he wrote. However simple it actually sounds, however slow, however lyrical, there is this...
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[S1] I was hoping to, to, to try some, to find some evidence that the pianos that he played on were smaller, but it's not actually true. [S2] I'm afraid not. [S1] No.
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[S1] Oh, we played them wonderfully. [S2] Um, yeah, so- [S1] I'm just very interested in what you just said, that it was slightly in passing, but, that, um, Joseph Hoffman was his favorite pianist and he was a rival. I think that says quite a lot about Rachmaninoff as a character. He was incredibly, um, uh, respectful ...
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[S1] Well, I've played that a lot. And, uh, of course, I don't play exactly what he's written. It's as simple as that. [S2] Right. [S1] Um, because you just can't do it. Unless you spread them, which would be the wrong character. [S2] Yeah. And you can't do it. It's too short to spread, really, isn't it? [S1] Mm. Yes, ...
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[S1] So I can't possibly, uh, give away what I leave out, but I do leave something out. And the end of this prelude, which is the final one of his 24, is very obviously a finale of the whole cycle, and, and written with that in mind. Um, and it's, uh, it, it always reminds me of the end of Das Rheingold, actually, whic...
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[S1] Uh, second piano concerto is not as pianistic as the third. Would you agree with that? [S2] No, that's true. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Would you agree with that? [S2] No, that's true. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Yes, I would. Yes, the, the third has a continuous sense of difficulty from beginning to end, but the second has some ex- well, generally not so difficult, but it has some extraordinarily awkward moments- [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] ... that don't even sound d...
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sometimes very conflicting emotions and, and the, the slightly depressive character of the composer and of the country that he comes from. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] I'm sorry about that. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] But it, it, it is so, it's such Russian music. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Much more than Tchaikovsky. Although Tchaikovsky was ver...
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[S1] So you have the both the big ones and the little ones. [S2] It's incredibly evocative. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Amazingly so. [S1] Yeah, well, I wanted- [S2] Could I play the most obvious, um, actually the most famous, a reference to Bells of Ul? [S1] Mm.
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[S1] So obvious, that it bells. It's so wonderful. So we, the, the most famous opening of any concerto, virtually, isn't it? And, and so, okay, evocative. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Extraordinarily evocative. [S2] Just wanted to actually play the, the Easter bell ringing. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Uh, which reminds you of one of the prel...
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[S1] Well, of course, uh, th- those bells that you played from the second piano concerto sort of come from the end of the very famous prelude because at first, there weren't 24 preludes. Yeah, there was just one prelude, which he wrote very early on as part of his Opus 3, and it became, um, [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... it bec...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] Yes, indeed. [S1] Um, yeah, so- [S2] Well, yes, the, the history of that set of preludes, which for me is his greatest piano music, uh, 24 Preludes, um, the first one written as a student, I think- [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] ... as part of a, a suite of other pieces, and then extended that, uh, in Opus 23,
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[S1] Yeah, well, somebody actually made this, you know, put this thesis forward that the whole, you know, all 24 preludes are actually variations on the C-sharp minor prelude because they all have that motif that you played and also the motif, the chromatic motif from the middle section. But I think, you know, musicolo...
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