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True | LeanIntoIt | null | [Check some browser market share stats](http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201008-201108). The share of HTML5 happy browsers is way less than enough. There is no single web, and we are not even approaching it. Dash is a non-issue on that front. It's no more a web breaker than Flash or Silverlight or Unity; maybe less. | null | 0 | 1315788316 | False | 0 | c2j63dh | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j63dh | t1_c2j4xew | null | 1427587927 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CarolusMagnus | null | > If you think Google is going to intentionally make the user experience on google.com worse for non-Chrome users, you're wrong.
They are already doing it. They yanked the cross-platform Google Gears and replaced it recently with a Chrome-only offline storage solution for GMail and GCal. | null | 0 | 1315788432 | False | 0 | c2j63x5 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j63x5 | t1_c2j4u6k | null | 1427587932 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LeanIntoIt | null | If you read the linked email *very closely* you will find reference to a conference somewhere where they will (or did) talk about it. Track that down like Dick Tracy, and you will find more info. For a bonus, you can post the link here when you do, and reap the karmic rewards. | null | 0 | 1315788452 | False | 0 | c2j63zw | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j63zw | t1_c2j57u1 | null | 1427587933 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | > In order to create this bug work item, you need to use either Team Explorer (through Visual Studio, most likely) or the TFS 2010 Web Interface. The obvious problem for the first scenario is that developers are the only ones likely to have Visual Studio and are only one of several groups of people that could log a bug.
1. It is quite easy to add a "Submit Bug" form to your website or application that hooks into TFS.
2. You probably don't want customers to be submitting tickets directly to developers anyways. Your production support staff should be filtering out the noise before your developers see it.
| null | 0 | 1315788462 | False | 0 | c2j641o | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j641o | t3_kc5di | null | 1427587934 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | > This largely stems from the inflexibility of TFS as a project management tool. Agile TFS work items, by default, have only five states [13]. Agile is about self-organizing, constantly improving teams that will change in order to make themselves better. This includes process changes as a project goes on. Even if the team went to the trouble of creating custom templates, those templates are going to have to change. TFS makes changing painful and, thus, discourages instead of enables Agile teams.
I had no problem editing the work item templates to suit the needs of my team. It was more difficult that I would like, but certainly not so hard that it wasn't worth the effort. | null | 0 | 1315788583 | False | 0 | c2j64l3 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j64l3 | t3_kc5di | null | 1427587941 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dafragsta | null | I guess not. Giving someone the plans to your product just doesn't seem anticompetitive. I think Google has a right to paint their vision of the standardized web, especially among their products. If they were refusing service to other browsers, that's one thing, but providing the definitive experience on THEIR BROWSER WHICH IS OPEN SOURCE AND STANDARDS COMPLIANT, seems hardly anti-competitive. Is MS giving out the source code to IE? How much ActiveX bullshit used to only run on IE? Also, Chrome is based on Webkit, which is not Google tech, so what holds true on Chrome, should hold true on Safari. How is that anti-competitive?
The web is supposed to be standards based, but it's been a 20 year circle jerk of everyone taking the standards in their own direction. At some point, someone has to throw down the gauntlet. It might as well be an open source gauntlet. | null | 0 | 1315788586 | False | 0 | c2j64lg | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j64lg | t1_c2j5n35 | null | 1427587941 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kryptobs2000 | null | Seriously, javascript is not a *bad* language, but I have not heard anyone consider it good. Javascript is the language you write client side web logic, and that is it. People use it because there is no better, or for that matter any, real alternative. Everyone who works with it is well aware of its very glaring flaws. | null | 0 | 1315788649 | False | 0 | c2j64uw | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j64uw | t1_c2j55wq | null | 1427587950 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | > Project reporting in TFS is rather primitive. It operates on high level, structured data like Work Items.
That's backwards. TFS Work Items are very low level, task centric items. TFS 2008 really needs *higher* items that represent a group of work items. | null | 0 | 1315788668 | False | 0 | c2j64yc | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j64yc | t3_kc5di | null | 1427587945 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | a_redditor | null | Please do not post stupid memes to /r/programming. | null | 0 | 1315788808 | False | 0 | c2j65jw | t3_kc924 | null | t1_c2j65jw | t3_kc924 | null | 1427587952 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | > The problem is that the TFS ALM is only compatible with one source control system and one build system.
Bullshit. At my last company one team insisted on using Team City with TFS. | null | 0 | 1315788850 | False | 0 | c2j65pt | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j65pt | t3_kc5di | null | 1427587954 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gregmchapman | null | Could you post a link to the code on the books homepage? It seems odd to me that I had to come to reddit to find out where to get the code, and others might not think of it. | null | 0 | 1315788959 | False | 0 | c2j6664 | t3_g6jw5 | null | t1_c2j6664 | t1_c1lg149 | null | 1427587960 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | artsrc | null | Years are understood to be divisible into bits. It is an error to ask for array[0.1].
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True | grauenwolf | null | Still TFS isn't as good as ClearCase. I like being able to merge whole features instead of just individual changesets. | null | 0 | 1315788985 | False | 0 | c2j66ao | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j66ao | t1_c2j5p5z | null | 1427587962 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hazyarc | null | Actually Emacs was written with keyboards that had the Ctrl keys around where the current Alt keys are located.
[More Information](http://splittist.livejournal.com/3114.html)
[Space-cadet keyboard](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard) | null | 0 | 1315789003 | False | 0 | c2j66dl | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j66dl | t1_c2j4ube | null | 1427587963 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kilvenic | null | Downvote for being correct? | null | 0 | 1315789027 | False | 0 | c2j66ha | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j66ha | t1_c2j5fdh | null | 1427587964 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kryptobs2000 | null | You can run netstat and see where you are making connections to, or in the case you are talking to a google server you can run something like wireshark to see what is actually being sent. Google can't hide it if they were doing this. | null | 0 | 1315789040 | False | 0 | c2j66jj | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j66jj | t1_c2j55kx | null | 1427587966 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gregmchapman | null | My first real exposure to Bayesian stats was in a genetics course, so it is filtering out to the other sciences, it would just be nice if it made it into intro stats classes also. | null | 0 | 1315789162 | False | 0 | c2j6720 | t3_g6jw5 | null | t1_c2j6720 | t1_c1llvwf | null | 1427587973 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kryptobs2000 | null | You're being downvoted because that's like asking for a citation that the sky is blue. Maybe you haven't walked outside to check for yourself, but it's considered common knowledge among the web dev community. There's benchmarks, graphs, articles, all kinds of shit on the web. Checkout of the progress of js engines over the past couple years and see for yourself. There's thousands and thousands of links at this point, it's not like the info is hard to find. | null | 0 | 1315789209 | False | 0 | c2j678w | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j678w | t1_c2j5r4m | null | 1427587975 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | freddiespagheti | null | Check the speed of the versipn of firefox just before chrome was released and then the speed of the version released shortly afterwards. Then do the same for other browsers like ie and opera. There was a lot of hype about this for firefox, at least. I'm surprised you weren't aware. | null | 0 | 1315789264 | False | 0 | c2j67gz | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j67gz | t1_c2j5r4m | null | 1427587978 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | othermaciej | null | I don't understand why people are willing to give Google such a free pass for gradually replacing Web standards with Google-controlled technologies. They always promise "we will try to make this a standard eventually", but so far there have been zero cases where the actual standard has materialized. Let's look at some past examples:
1) Google didn't like MPEG so they are replacing it with VP8. They publish a "spec" but in reality the code is the spec, and since launching it they have made zero real effort to make it a true open standard.
2) Google didn't like HTTP so they are replacing it with SPDY. They are actually using it live between Chrome and Google Web properties, but so far it hasn't come anywhere near a standards group.
3) Google didn't like the NPAPI plugin model supported by all non-IE browsers, so they invented an elaborate and totally incompatible plugin API (Pepper) and native code validation model (Native Client).
Replacing JS with Dash is just the next example. I expect HTML and CSS are next.
The reality is that none of these things are becoming open standards and Google doesn't even seem to have a sincere intent to make them standards. Open source is no substitute for open standards. Open standards mean that all the stakeholders have a chance to come together and influence the design and direction of the technology; and the standard is designed so that it can be independently implemented, preventing a dangerous software monoculture. All the technologies that Google wants to use to replace the Open Web are 100% Google controlled and have only a single Google-owned implementation.
When Microsoft did this sort of thing (MSIE circa 1997), people rightly flipped out. In fact, one of the most insightful remarks I've seen about this is Brendan Eich referring to Dash as GBScript and NaCl as ActiveG. Similarly, Adobe doesn't get a free pass for their proprietary but vaguely Web-integrated plugin.
Do you really trust Google enough to let them have unilateral control over the whole Web technology stack? So much that you won't even call them on it, and will defend them as they try to do it?
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True | Bjartr | null | What in the world are you talking about? You can both attach normally and drag and drop an image onto an email you're writing in gmail. I just tried it. | null | 0 | 1315789361 | False | 0 | c2j67x0 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j67x0 | t1_c2j5w1m | null | 1427587984 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thcobbs | null | >You're being downvoted because that's like asking for a citation that the sky is blue.
How do you mean?
>Checkout of the progress of js engines over the past couple years and see for yourself. There's thousands and thousands of links at this point, it's not like the info is hard to find.
All searched and indexed by google.
If nothing else... step back and consider why they are so adamant about replacing a current defacto standard with their own.
If this was MS or APPLE, people would be up in arms. | null | 0 | 1315789375 | False | 0 | c2j67zk | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j67zk | t1_c2j678w | null | 1427587985 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thcobbs | null | I don't have to run netstat.
If this was ANY company other than google... this would be beaten down, lambasted, and shit on as corporate greed.
But don't stand in the way of all-mighty google. | null | 0 | 1315789438 | False | 0 | c2j689d | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j689d | t1_c2j66jj | null | 1427587990 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | AlyoshaV | null | >Thanks for sharing this. It made me laugh out loud when I got the joke. Hilarious.
You sound really unhappy right here | null | 0 | 1315789480 | False | 0 | c2j68fi | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j68fi | t1_c2j5wfl | null | 1427587990 | -9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thcobbs | null | I'm more worried about what GOOGLE is doing with the information it has access to than how fast I can load a porn site. | null | 0 | 1315789495 | False | 0 | c2j68i3 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j68i3 | t1_c2j67gz | null | 1427587991 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | stoph | null | Well, I can't just write "LOL!" or my post will be downvoted into oblivion.
I really did laugh... | null | 0 | 1315789603 | False | 0 | c2j68yd | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j68yd | t1_c2j68fi | null | 1427587997 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LeanIntoIt | null | They're open about some things. They don't have to be open about every damn thing they own.
Chrome browser has an open source branch called Chromium.
Chrome OS has an open source branch called Chromium OS.
Android is open source.
They also have people contributing to Mozilla, I think. And that email mentions pushing code out to webkit. | null | 0 | 1315789849 | False | 0 | c2j69zw | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j69zw | t1_c2j5zwv | null | 1427588011 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | Of course you can attach images just like any other file.
But you cannot hit the paste button to insert one off the clipboard. And if I try to drag an image on it just wants to change the current page. | null | 0 | 1315789904 | False | 0 | c2j6a85 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6a85 | t1_c2j67x0 | null | 1427588014 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | markedtrees | null | For people like me who are wondering what an XPath injection looks like: http://projects.webappsec.org/w/page/13247005/XPath%20Injection | null | 0 | 1315789908 | False | 0 | c2j6a90 | t3_kcgtj | null | t1_c2j6a90 | t3_kcgtj | null | 1427588014 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tsujiku | null | It would be trivial to know whether or not Chrome collects any data unbeknownst to its users.
>Oh really? Have any data on that..
Do you even remember the difference in speed (rendering, initial start-up, etc) between Chrome and the other browsers when it first came out? | null | 0 | 1315789969 | False | 0 | c2j6ai4 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6ai4 | t1_c2j5r4m | null | 1427588018 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | p0tent1al | null | That has absolutely nothing to do with the open web. If you start off targeting a modern browser and scale back the experience for lesser browsers, you're just providing a more modern experience for those who can get it.
There is NOTHING closed about that, and you're just exaggerating in general. | null | 0 | 1315789981 | False | 0 | c2j6ak2 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6ak2 | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427588018 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kryptobs2000 | null | It doesn't really matter what it does. The whole thing can be closed source, that doesn't prevent you from auditing your computer. See my [post](http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/kc9ai/internal_googledocument_we_will_strongly/c2j66jj) further up.
Also fwiw I am one of those people that distrust google. I think they are largely a good company, but they are simply too big, and it's inevitable something bad will happen. Some things already have, they're just not that big of a deal to me personally, though I have forgotten even the more significant ones.
With that said though I am a web developer and programmer and you guys are obviously not. It's clear that this is a misunderstanding on your part, and a sensationalized headline. That is not an opinion, it's glaringly obvious. If you have worked with js at all it's obviously a flawed language. It's right up there with php. They were released broken and widely adopted too soon locking the languages into bad patterns and practices which cannot be simply fixed w/o breaking backwards compatibility which is huge no no. There is a reason the most popular javascript intro book is "javascript the good parts" because there are so many aspects of the language you really *should* avoid. That book doesn't teach you everything about javascript, it first teaches you what you should know about javascript, and then it explicitly goes onto show you what features they have omitted and why. There is a lot of bad in javascript.
Reading googles own paper they want, and are encouraging, other browser vendors to adopt dash. It is, or will be, an open standard. Google knows it would never fly any other way. That being so it will be a google only thing for but so long, and no developer is going to make a website or application that only works in one browser so even if google controlled 100% of the development of dash, and for instance say they always get features before other browsers, well what would happen is devs would simply only design for the cross platform feature set. I cannot see google doing that though, and would be surprised if they didn't let others join some sort of committee or even give the whole thing up to ISO or something such as that. If you have any questions I'd be glad to answer, but that should clarify any sort of confusion. | null | 0 | 1315789990 | False | 0 | c2j6alg | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6alg | t1_c2j5skh | null | 1427588018 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | adrianmonk | null | I didn't know Lua did that. That's actually pretty clever.
In the browser, I think you could have two different possible values for the "type" attribute of the "script" tag, one for the source and one for the compiled bytecode.
Or both. | null | 0 | 1315790039 | False | 0 | c2j6asu | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6asu | t1_c2j5tz9 | null | 1427588021 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MatrixFrog | null | I'm a little skeptical that this is a good way to teach programming, but it can't be much worse than the classic "sit in a room while someone draws boxes and arrows on a chalkboard" approach. | null | 0 | 1315790119 | False | 0 | c2j6b5k | t3_kcii9 | null | t1_c2j6b5k | t3_kcii9 | null | 1427588027 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dnew | null | > I assume you're OK with this:
Sure. Those aren't objects modeling real-world stuff. They're functional sorts of things, specifically because there's no distinction between instance and value, since they're immutable.
> Dog fido = fido.WearLeash(favoriteLeash);
Here's two problems: 1) I've seen few if any functional languages that let you reassign a name like that, but that's just a nit. The real objection is #2:
Dog Spot = fido.WearLeash(favoriteLeash);
Which dog is wearing the leash? Why did you put the leash on Fido if it's Spot wearing the leash? In OOP, Spot and Fido would be referring to the same dog, so the question doesn't come up.
Window mine = yours.Iconify();
Did your window just iconify? Did mine? If I ask for the size of your window, am I going to get a different size than the size of my window? And now do I have two windows on the screen?
That's the fundamental identity problem you get when you use a functional value-oriented language to do OOP. Sure, you can avoid the problems by doing something like always assigning the new dog back to the old dog's variable name.
You can dismiss these as unimportant, but there's a reason everyone uses stuff like biological taxonomy and windowing systems as the primary tutorial examples of OO coding.
I'm not saying functional programming with class-like organization isn't superior to OOP. I'm merely saying that I think identity is a fundamental property of an "object" in traditional OO design techniques, and functional programming where everything is a value breaks this property of objects. | null | 0 | 1315790154 | False | 0 | c2j6bbq | t3_k56t1 | null | t1_c2j6bbq | t1_c2j0rsi | null | 1427588029 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Angry nerd used rant!
It's not very effective. | null | 0 | 1315790231 | False | 0 | c2j6bn8 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j6bn8 | t3_kc5di | null | 1427588033 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | flukus | null | THats one of the worst features of TFS. It means people check in less frequently, making the history useless. | null | 0 | 1315790367 | False | 0 | c2j6c9y | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j6c9y | t1_c2j5ys9 | null | 1427588041 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Michaelllllll | null | Worked pretty well for Apple when they made the iPhone. I know its different in a million ways, but the basic concept is similar. They created a 'revolutionary' product mostly in secret (aside from the rumors), implemented it, and then left the market competitors to play catch up. And the competitors did.
I'm not saying I agree with the way google is going about it. It COULD be the totally INCORRECT way of dealing with it. But at the same time, it makes some sense too. JS is so widely accepted as the standard, that making an effort to replace it is going to be a huge challenge. To me, it makes quite a bit of sense to strive to release a VERY WELL done example, where they can control the quality. If they can release a perfect implementation, it will make people WANT to pick Dash up. | null | 0 | 1315790590 | False | 0 | c2j6dc2 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6dc2 | t1_c2ixei3 | null | 1427588055 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MatrixFrog | null | Why all the downvotes? | null | 0 | 1315790655 | False | 0 | c2j6dnh | t3_kc6lx | null | t1_c2j6dnh | t3_kc6lx | null | 1427588063 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ParsonsProject93 | null | Well the question is, how relevant will IE be in 5 years? | null | 0 | 1315790694 | False | 0 | c2j6du2 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6du2 | t1_c2j4kpi | null | 1427588060 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | SquareWheel | null | Sensationalist headline omits that the next line starts with "However...". | null | 0 | 1315790771 | False | 0 | c2j6e56 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6e56 | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427588065 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Michaelllllll | null | It kills me to see IE6 so high on that list. | null | 0 | 1315790779 | False | 0 | c2j6e6t | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6e6t | t1_c2j63dh | null | 1427588065 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ParsonsProject93 | null | Chrome isn't open source, that's Chromium. | null | 0 | 1315790784 | False | 0 | c2j6e7x | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6e7x | t1_c2j57l4 | null | 1427588065 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MatrixFrog | null | A tl;dr version would be quite appreciated. | null | 0 | 1315790801 | False | 0 | c2j6eaz | t3_kc5gh | null | t1_c2j6eaz | t3_kc5gh | null | 1427588067 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MarshallBanana | null | > Open standards mean that all the stakeholders have a chance to come together and influence the design and direction of the technology;
Feel free to provide some examples of this actually happening. | null | 0 | 1315790901 | False | 0 | c2j6er9 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6er9 | t1_c2j67v2 | null | 1427588073 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cwm44 | null | I only have chromium, which doesn't say what protocol it is. | null | 0 | 1315790910 | False | 0 | c2j6esn | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6esn | t1_c2j5fdh | null | 1427588074 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ParsonsProject93 | null | To be fair, Chrome does offer Bing as a search provider choice the first time it starts up. | null | 0 | 1315790914 | False | 0 | c2j6etg | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6etg | t1_c2j5c8g | null | 1427588074 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ParsonsProject93 | null | Can you please provide a link to a page that doesn't work on IE? The only thing I can think of is that Google Maps doesn't support the auto-location feature in IE9 even though IE9 supports geolocation in HTML5. | null | 0 | 1315790992 | False | 0 | c2j6f5k | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6f5k | t1_c2j5k7w | null | 1427588078 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | othermaciej | null | As it happens, V8 does not use a byte code, it JITs straight from source. That being said, even if it did use a byte code, this probably wouldn't be a great basis for other languages. Bytecode representations for high-level languages tend to be tied to the semantics of a given language. Bytecode also makes sue forms of portability and extensibility more difficult, compared to sending source code. | null | 0 | 1315791101 | False | 0 | c2j6fmu | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6fmu | t1_c2j62f5 | null | 1427588087 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dafragsta | null | That's like saying "Eddie Murphy isn't black. His father is." If the important part is open source, what difference does it make? | null | 0 | 1315791186 | False | 0 | c2j6fz6 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6fz6 | t1_c2j6e7x | null | 1427588089 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I'm not native, but doh >.<
But the principal holds. | null | 0 | 1315791273 | False | 0 | c2j6gci | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j6gci | t1_c2j3xdn | null | 1427588094 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | itsnotabigtruck | null | You can actually do this right now. While they aren't available at mass retailers and they cost a bit more than "a few dollars", you can configure your programs to use such a "crypting key" and authenticate to anything that supports SSL using a client certificate. [VeriSign's OpenID provider](https://pip.verisignlabs.com/) lets you do this with anything that supports OpenID.
That said, most programmers couldn't care less about either crypto tokens or client certs, so the application support tends to be rather lacking. Also, while newer versions of Windows have made the crypto token experience a lot smoother, it's still pretty primitive with programs that don't use the relevant Windows APIs as well as Linux. Hopefully this will start to change soon... | null | 0 | 1315791275 | False | 0 | c2j6gco | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6gco | t1_c2j54qk | null | 1427588094 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | terrdc | null | >Do you really trust Google enough to let them have unilateral control over the whole Web technology stack?
Control by a single entity vs control by several doesn't really matter. I wouldn't really care if both Coke and Pepsi made a standard.
That being said I also really don't care about some memo signed by a couple of employees. | null | 0 | 1315791290 | False | 0 | c2j6gf0 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6gf0 | t1_c2j67v2 | null | 1427588096 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Switche | null | I'm bound to rub up against some bias here, but historically speaking, this is all the same old song and dance we saw with Microsoft, and many other standards we use today--they had to come from somewhere. When you hit the forefront of platform development, you inevitably push standards with proprietary platforms.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. [JavaScript itself was developed originally by Netscape for Netscape, and the name tagged along simply due to a deal with Sun](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript). Microsoft followed suit with JSCript a year later, including what they saw as their own improvements with IE 3.0. A few months later, Netscape submitted JavaScript to [Ecma International](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecma_International), a standards organization, and JavaScript was standardized under [ECMAScript](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript), and all the JavaScript we enjoy today are simply considered implementations of these standards.
The true test of Google in this is how open they are with Dash and its implementation into other platforms and its ultimate standardization through third party standards organizations. | null | 0 | 1315791393 | False | 0 | c2j6gw4 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6gw4 | t1_c2j4fex | null | 1427588111 | 26 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jh123456 | null | Agreed. It's the tying together of two things that is troublesome though. | null | 0 | 1315791490 | False | 0 | c2j6hat | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6hat | t1_c2j4bbo | null | 1427588106 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | _swanson | null | https://github.com/spraints/git-tfs | null | 0 | 1315791583 | False | 0 | c2j6hq5 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j6hq5 | t1_c2j5c71 | null | 1427588115 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | EpistemicFaithCrisis | null | Or perhaps for being irrelevant. SPDY is an open standard. | null | 0 | 1315791615 | False | 0 | c2j6hv4 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6hv4 | t1_c2j66ha | null | 1427588115 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | postmaster3000 | null | Right, SPDY would be yet another "something new." It sure looks a lot like HTTP, but isn't. From Google's [SPDY white paper](http://www.chromium.org/spdy/spdy-whitepaper):
> SPDY replaces some parts of HTTP, but mostly augments it ... SPDY still uses HTTP methods, headers, and other semantics. But SPDY overrides other parts of the protocol. | null | 0 | 1315791719 | False | 0 | c2j6iav | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6iav | t1_c2j5fdh | null | 1427588119 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sossles | null | Actually pasting images from the clipboard into gmail works for me with Chrome. I assume that must be some Chrome-specific voodoo though.
Drag-and-drop of images works too but alas it's finicky about exactly where you drop the image. There's feedback when you're hovering over the right spot.
Not debating the merits of either side, but I thought it might be useful to know these. | null | 0 | 1315791716 | False | 0 | c2j6iay | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6iay | t1_c2j6a85 | null | 1427588119 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | carillon | null | The reason there isn't is because the TFS API is one of most horrible things in existence. As an example, the version string is "Team Foundation Server" for ALL versions. What's more, the whole thing is an exercise in badly-structured SOAP. I mean, I couldn't have written code that bad if I tried. | null | 0 | 1315791752 | False | 0 | c2j6ih0 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j6ih0 | t1_c2j5c71 | null | 1427588122 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | therapy | null | Oh, sorry for misunderstanding then.
But I don't see what your problem with him being the Mozilla CTO is: he made a factual comment about it being a leaked document. He has close ties to Google, so we can assume he knows the facts of the matter.
Edit: edited my comment above, sorry again for my mistake. | null | 0 | 1315791765 | True | 0 | c2j6ij6 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6ij6 | t1_c2j62t9 | null | 1427588122 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Isvara | null | > As it happens, V8 does not use a byte code, it JITs straight from source.
Well! TIL, and all that.
> Bytecode representations for high-level languages tend to be tied to the semantics of a given language.
That's not really true. Look at the CLR for one obvious example, and, to a lesser extent, the JVM (it wasn't designed with that in mind, but it is being successfully used that way).
I've wished for ages that the W3C would standardize on something like LLVM in browsers. | null | 0 | 1315791789 | False | 0 | c2j6ina | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6ina | t1_c2j6fmu | null | 1427588124 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | carillon | null | Most people see atomic changesets as a compelling reason to replace CVS. I will point out that the CVS developers specifically wrote SVN as a drop-in replacement; you'll find that fears of retraining and rebuilding are exaggerated. | null | 0 | 1315791854 | False | 0 | c2j6iy3 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j6iy3 | t1_c2j4wie | null | 1427588129 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | catnipbilly | null | Many corporations use it for "security reasons". My siblings complain all the time at family gatherings about having only IE6 on their work computers. | null | 0 | 1315791891 | False | 0 | c2j6j4g | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6j4g | t1_c2j6e6t | null | 1427588130 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | lol. it does. i've had no problems with IE standards support beyond IE6. if by standards you mean 'unspoken rules', which mozilla for example and webkit seem to think are 'standards'.. then uh yea.. well i'll leave that up to you to figure out. btw, have you ever filed a bug report for chrome/fx? lol... they don't even understand what standards are... | null | 0 | 1315791956 | False | 0 | c2j6jf4 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6jf4 | t1_c2j5r4d | null | 1427588134 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | no, i mean IE8 and IE9. looking through your userpage, you are qualified in ... nothing.. i see not a single tech-related post. sorry dude, try again. | null | 0 | 1315792057 | False | 0 | c2j6jxf | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6jxf | t1_c2j5vn0 | null | 1427588140 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tnecniv | null | This is why I recently switched from Vim to Emacs. I want the awesome plugins. I haven't really missed the modal editing, but if I find that I do, I can always use viper or evil. | null | 0 | 1315792080 | False | 0 | c2j6k13 | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j6k13 | t1_c2j3q2z | null | 1427588142 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 88leo | null | I think its because hardly anyone that does java has any real swing experience. I worked at a place that had 3 web started apps and picked up most of my swing experience working on those. | null | 0 | 1315792098 | False | 0 | c2j6k44 | t3_kbdp7 | null | t1_c2j6k44 | t1_c2j580z | null | 1427588143 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | dude, i don't have the time... lol... what a joke. its happened in the past and will continue to happen. it is an unwritten google policy to get more people to click the download chrome button... | null | 0 | 1315792138 | False | 0 | c2j6kab | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6kab | t1_c2j6f5k | null | 1427588145 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | happyscrappy | null | He has plenty of reason to slander Google given he is in direct competition with him.
He made a comment that serves his ends. Thus I have to take it with a grain of salt and cannot just assume it is a factual comment.
Honestly, I have a chip on my shoulder about Mozilla. They think their agenda is more important than their customers wishes. As such, their browser reflects this. I do not feel this serves their future well and it doesn't serve me well either, so I don't use Firefox anymore.
To be fair, the document, whether leaked or not is not nearly as damning without the spin placed upon it in the reddit commentary. | null | 0 | 1315792154 | False | 0 | c2j6kea | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6kea | t1_c2j6ij6 | null | 1427588146 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jasrus | null | There was all that controversy over their censorship in China too. | null | 0 | 1315792262 | False | 0 | c2j6kwn | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6kwn | t1_c2j52k4 | null | 1427588153 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | that doesn't amount to much. question: can you install IE on a android phone? no? oh uhm wait.. i guess the EU commission was sleeping on that one. why must i be able to install chrome on my pc, but not IE on my phone? retarded case of double standards. | null | 0 | 1315792265 | False | 0 | c2j6kx7 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6kx7 | t1_c2j6etg | null | 1427588153 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | myztry | null | It's an issue for smart phones as far as form factor goes but you wouldn't need a "full" USB port. A trivial implementation would be a Micro USB to USB adapter. The dongle could be double ended with USB on one end and micro/mini USB on the other.
Other more convenient options for this special case would be for inbuilt hardware crypting with the keys stored on a secondary SIM only accessible by the hardware crypting chipset. The device just needs to either encrypt or decrypt a stream. Really it could take the shape of any form factor. You could even have the encrypting happen externally via a bluetooth cryptic device in your pocket.
Off course, none of this would be compulsory. Staying insecure and vulnerable to software exploits is always an option. You just don't opt to disable passwords and require the stream to use the corresponding public key which matches the private key that the hardware is using. The real danger isn't those around you. It's the 500 million+ anonymous people potentially at the other end of the connection. | null | 0 | 1315792315 | False | 0 | c2j6l55 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6l55 | t1_c2j5prn | null | 1427588156 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315792396 | False | 0 | c2j6li0 | t3_kcii9 | null | t1_c2j6li0 | t3_kcii9 | null | 1427588161 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kronso | null | SPDY is 100% encrypted. Thus only Chrome and Google know what your browser is saying to Google, and Chrome won't tell you.
Have fun. | null | 0 | 1315792490 | False | 0 | c2j6lyf | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6lyf | t1_c2j5fdh | null | 1427588167 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | phones don't have powerful processors or a whole hell of a lot of ram, or the power of even a cheap desktop GPU, it's called saving and budgeting resources. | null | 0 | 1315792574 | False | 0 | c2j6md1 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6md1 | t1_c2j5g1j | null | 1427588172 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | dude, i have filed at least 3 standards-related bugs in chrome, which are still OPEN, not fixed... filed them over 8 months ago... so much for standards... btw, webkit has a BUNCH of non-standards related features, just the same as gecko. think -moz, -webkit. many people use these and then complain that standards arent being supporte.. they're not standards... never were... also, look at writing-mode.. the ONLY way to do proper vertical text in html/css, only supported by IE9 so far... so much for web 'standards'... | null | 0 | 1315792584 | False | 0 | c2j6meu | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6meu | t1_c2j64lg | null | 1427588173 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315792609 | False | 0 | c2j6miw | t3_ka4h8 | null | t1_c2j6miw | t3_ka4h8 | null | 1427588174 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LtArson | null | The reason I'm qualified and you are not is because I've got extensive experience with web development and you're a troll. | null | 0 | 1315792617 | False | 0 | c2j6mk3 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6mk3 | t1_c2j6jxf | null | 1427588174 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | list said experience, which browsers, which technologies, which certs do you possess. otherwise, bugger off. never mind, you're fresh out of school from the looks of your other posts. 4compe+2cs+2it <- which ones | null | 0 | 1315792668 | False | 0 | c2j6mu3 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6mu3 | t1_c2j6mk3 | null | 1427588178 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | madman1969 | null | We use TFS heavily at work and the benefits of an integrated system mostly outweigh some of the oddities. If your using Visual Studio it really is the default choice unless you have very specific needs which it can't meet. TFS2008 was a significant improvement on TFS2005, and TFS2010 on TFS2008 in this regard.
There are some features, in typical MS fashion, which didn't make it to the UI by the release date and are only available via the command line.
However in 2011 it is unacceptable for a VCS to fail to handle rolling back a changeset without having to jump through a number of hoops and drop to the command line. | null | 0 | 1315792682 | False | 0 | c2j6mwk | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j6mwk | t3_kc5di | null | 1427588179 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | firefox is still used by 45% of users I believe. Probably less since the interface change with 4.0, but I bet it's at least 38% still.
I'd say firefox is *slightly* ahead in the browser race, though chrome is growing quickly. | null | 0 | 1315792691 | False | 0 | c2j6my8 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6my8 | t1_c2j5t0m | null | 1427588180 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ParsonsProject93 | null | Alright then, I use IE9 as my default browser and I've never had an issue with trying to get to a google service, just saying. | null | 0 | 1315792741 | False | 0 | c2j6n63 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6n63 | t1_c2j6kab | null | 1427588182 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ParsonsProject93 | null | But Microsoft isn't even trying to compete with a browser on Android....The point with the EU commission is that chrome firefox and opera are all trying to compete for their spot as a browser on Windows. That's not double standards, it would be double standards to say that Apple bundles everything in OS X yet MS (until recently) isn't allowed to bundle anything into the OS. | null | 0 | 1315792853 | False | 0 | c2j6npv | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6npv | t1_c2j6kx7 | null | 1427588189 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | execute85 | null | I'm not suggesting Java/C were failures. I actually admire both languages. I was just pointing out that some languages are made by PHDs and some are not. Just having a boatload of PHDs in CS is not a guarantee that your new language will be decent. | null | 0 | 1315792865 | False | 0 | c2j6nrs | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6nrs | t1_c2j5g8d | null | 1427588190 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | HastyToweling | null | Example?
I actually disagree. I've used both (Mathematica and everything else) and this is one thing I really like about Mathematica. I find myself making "corrections" on zero-based languages.
Here's a made-up example with a made-up language. Let's say you wanted to make a list 'b' that had all elements of 'a' except the 3rd one.
1-based:
b = a[1,2]+a[4,Lenth(a)]
dead fucking simple. no way to confuse that shit.
0-based:
b = a[0,2]+a[3,Length(a)]
(This is analogous to how python does it)
WTF? It's not at all fucking clear that the third element is skipped, but it is. Every fucking time I need to do this with python, I need to write some test code to make sure it's doing what I want. I love python by the way.
Prove me wrong.
Edit: I just realized I made a fucking mistake!
0-based:
b = a[0,2]+a[3,Length(a)*-1*]
I couldn't even get it right for this silly example! | null | 0 | 1315792963 | True | 0 | c2j6o77 | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j6o77 | t1_c2iy15j | null | 1427588197 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | but still, you cant change the browsing agent on android phones.... this means you can't install ANY alternate browser... period.. and there are linux IE ports... so theoretically they could run, but still.. the point is not IE really, its any browser in general. | null | 0 | 1315792992 | False | 0 | c2j6obh | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6obh | t1_c2j6npv | null | 1427588197 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | shrewduser | null | thank-you, both of you, for the spin free in-context non alarmist version. | null | 0 | 1315793076 | False | 0 | c2j6op9 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6op9 | t1_c2j4tk9 | null | 1427588203 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tty2 | null | This is probably one of the number one reposts on /r/programming. | null | 0 | 1315793088 | False | 0 | c2j6ord | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j6ord | t3_kchtc | null | 1427588204 | 38 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Jegschemesch | null | Also remember that Microsoft's pernicious behavior with the web was largely about what they refused/neglected to correctly implement, not what they added on top. As long as the things added into browsers are reasonable for adoption by others, I'm not terribly concerned by (temporary) divergence. | null | 0 | 1315793185 | False | 0 | c2j6p8e | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6p8e | t1_c2j5t0m | null | 1427588210 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | krunk7 | null | Oh my god! Oh.My.God!
Say it isn't so! Not an open standard with better performance and amenable tooling for large, scalable web projects as an alternative to javascript!
We can't have this! Keep it closed! May no browser be improved! The *conspiracy* the underhandedness of it all!
Srzly? Did you read the leaked email? | null | 0 | 1315793220 | False | 0 | c2j6pe6 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6pe6 | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427588212 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I imagine if google has any decency left they will at least *consult* with mozilla on this. They've shaped a large portion of the web, and have an incredulous amount of influence, possibly greater than Google's own. That said, with the growing mobile web, firefox mobile is good, but not good enough. Mozilla needs to release a mobile platform, be it a tablet or smartphone. They did great things for the desktop web, but they need to prevent apple and google from completely controlling the mobile web. One of the key reasons I don't use a smartphone is because all of your data is subject to any peeking google or apple wishes to do, which I'm not OK with.
That said, if mozilla implements their own dash-esque frontend (or hell, even backend) language that is very efficient, google's will be drowned out because mozilla's will almost certainly be fully open source, and as such, have a much greater development force.
Mozilla is holding google in checkmate here, if dash isn't open source and chrome doesn't become massively popular (50%+ global browser usage, minimum) they won't adopt it. Of course if apple and Microsoft adopt it, mozilla's hand may be forced, but if they develop an alternative they could well get m$ and apple to use their own, which would be fantastic. | null | 0 | 1315793272 | False | 0 | c2j6pnc | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6pnc | t1_c2j6alg | null | 1427588215 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | TheAntiRudin | null | I got excited about the translucent windows, but unfortunately Java 7 on Linux doesn't seem to support that (just per pixel transparency for shaped windows). | null | 0 | 1315793289 | False | 0 | c2j6pq2 | t3_kbdp7 | null | t1_c2j6pq2 | t3_kbdp7 | null | 1427588216 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LtArson | null | Please. I'm not even going to bother feeding the troll here (also, the fact that you list "certs" as a measure of expertise shows that you're probably a guy living in your parents' basement designing geocities pages). Let's just examine one statement you've made that's blatantly false:
>i've had no problems with IE standards support beyond IE6
The only way you could have not had problems with standards support beyond IE6 is if you're not using modern web technologies (have you even heard of HTML5 or CSS3?). Regardless of how you feel, it is a FACT that even up to IE8 a lot of the really common parts of the CSS3 standard are not supported in Internet Explorer. | null | 0 | 1315793308 | True | 0 | c2j6prw | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6prw | t1_c2j6mu3 | null | 1427588217 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FlyingBishop | null | Pay attention now, Android 3.0 ain't open source. | null | 0 | 1315793310 | False | 0 | c2j6psq | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6psq | t1_c2j69zw | null | 1427588217 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | eli4672 | null | Citation needed. | null | 0 | 1315793407 | False | 0 | c2j6qal | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6qal | t1_c2j4uma | null | 1427588234 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FlyingBishop | null | You might be surprised how much money people actually pay Google for shit. | null | 0 | 1315793415 | False | 0 | c2j6qc3 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6qc3 | t1_c2j5vo0 | null | 1427588234 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gschizas | null | I'd say "google it", but it kind of defeats the point, doesn't it? :) | null | 0 | 1315793454 | False | 0 | c2j6qio | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j6qio | t1_c2j6qal | null | 1427588228 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LtArson | null | If by "unspoken rules" you're talking about CSS3 and HTML5 then, yes, IE doesn't support "unspoken rules". | null | 0 | 1315793529 | False | 0 | c2j6qwk | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6qwk | t1_c2j6jf4 | null | 1427588237 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thcobbs | null | No... At least not on sites other than the ones google said to use to test against. | null | 0 | 1315793558 | False | 0 | c2j6r19 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j6r19 | t1_c2j6ai4 | null | 1427588243 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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