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pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) writes:
> With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the
>cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is
>trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork.
> They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey
>Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was
>rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21
>years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some
>good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem
>winning in May.
I agree. I also think Roy needs a good kick sometimes...that horrible
4-0 loss to the Capitals last week...yeeeech!
Here's to Cup #23...this year!
--
Richard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you're doing."
rauser@sfu.ca "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional
WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."
-----------------
"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
> In article <1993Apr19.090836.6878@msuvx1.memst.edu>,
> kebarnes@msuvx1.memst.edu said:
>
>> I'm for creating a class of "noncommercial" drugs which would include
>> the currently illegal ones, which would be legal to possess, grow,
>> produce, but not to sell. Bomb the pushers back to the barter age!
>> (And tax production, too.)
>
> Um, why? What's wrong with the act of selling recreational drugs, even
> for mercenary reasons (e.g., getting rich)? (Note: by "selling," I mean
> "selling the product to a consenting adult at a mutually agreeable
> price"... I point this out in an effort to pre-emptively prevent this
> thread from getting sidetracked onto a flamefest about "pushing drugs to
> schoolchildren" or the like.)
>
> And why should the users be subjected to special taxation?
>
> -- William December Starr
[Note: This is a repost of my earlier response to Mr. Starr,
which was not properly formatted. Apologies to those who've
seen the following before:]
To explain my position on the "War On Drugs," I offer this:
Drugs And Crime: A New Approach
by Ken Barnes
Given that:
1. The trade in illegal drugs is responsible for
much of the crime which afflicts our nation.
2. People who want drugs (particularly people who
are predisposed to addiction) will find a way to get
them, whether or not they are legally available.
3. Despite current law enforcement efforts, drugs
are readily available to those who want them.
4. Addiction to drugs, both legal and illegal, is
responsible for a significant drain on the productive
resources of our country, and this occurs in a variety
of ways, from the cocaine-addicted babies who are
unable to learn, to the spread of disease among
addicts, to the tragic consequences of alcohol abuse
and tobacco smoking.
5. A general economic principle of government is
that whatever is subsidized you get more of, and
whatever is taxed you get less of. To be most
effective in confronting the nation's drug problem,
some way must be found to utilize these additional
powers of government to make drug dealing and drug use
less attractive.
While this country's current efforts to combat
legal drugs have succeeded in some respects, (there is
a greater awareness of the health consequences of
smoking, and designated-driver programs have helped
reduce drunk driving, for example), the same cannot be
said for the "war" on illegal drugs. There remains a
core group of illegal drug users which support
international networks of smugglers, pushers, growers,
processors, kingpins, and gangsters. These networks
and their "marketing activities," which include drive-
by shootings, corrupting law enforcement authorities,
and smuggling weapons, are directly or indirectly
responsible for a large proportion of the crimes
committed in our country every day.
Clearly, illegal drugs and rising crime are
linked. It takes only a moment's reflection to
recognize how they are linked. The link is money. As
with this country's failed effort to prohibit alcohol
consumption, a black market has been created, in which
greedy local monopolies, like the gangsters of a
bygone era, have profited enormously from their
illegal trade. The victims of this trade include not
only the innocent people unfortunate enough to be
caught in the crossfire, but, I would argue, the drug
users themselves.
Were it not for the black market, and the violent
monopoly of the drug lords, drug users might not be
the thieves, robbers, prostitutes and murderers they
have become in order to pay the high prices the drug
lords demand. In the absence of the drug lords, most
would be, I believe, simply people with a problem,
either a moral problem_or_a medical problem, but_not_a
criminal problem.
Let me be clear however, I am_not_advocating that
we let the criminals who have been preying on our
society for these many years of Prohibition off the
hook. On the contrary, the new approach I advocate is
one which would not result in either the government or
private industry getting into the business of
promoting crack cocaine, or any other presently
illegal drug for that matter. Neither is it an
approach which sees law abiding citizens handing over
more and more of their freedom and privacy in an
effort to track down illegal drug users, until "the
land of the free and the home of the brave" looks like
a police state.
Here then is my proposal:
1. Possession and use of all presently illegal
drugs is decriminalized, but buying and selling them
remains illegal. 'Potheads' can grow their own
marijuana (as many already do today), other drug users
can legally import their poison of choice as long as
they pay the tariffs, and a barter economy of drug
experimenters develops.
2. Because of the barter economy which supplies
the drug users, the black market profits that have so
enriched the drug lords dwindle. If these drugs can
be obtained for 'free' or next to nothing, why buy
them? Nevertheless, there will be those who will seek
to sell these "noncommercial" drugs even at relatively
low prices. Therefore,
3. Law enforcement activity is concentrated on
those individuals who continue to buy and sell, and
also on the crimes committed by drug users too poor to
afford even low prices. But here is where the
strategy begins to differentiate between the drug
dealers, the victimizers, and the drug users, their
victims.
4. Upon arrest for_any_crime,_suspects are
permitted to choose whether or not they will undergo a
drug test. Those who choose to cooperate are informed
that upon conviction for the crime they are accused
of, if they are found to be a drug user, they will be
institutionalized until they are clean, and only then
will they begin to serve their sentence. If they
choose to cooperate and are already drug-free, they
can begin to serve their sentence right away. Those
who choose not to undergo the drug test and are
convicted face stiffer fines and serve longer
sentences.
5. Institutionalization of drug using criminals
serves several purposes:
Drug using criminals (and this includes drunk
and/or 'stoned' drivers) are separated from their
sources of supply, thus reducing the total number of
drug users in society at large, and consequently
decreasing the demand for drugs on the street, putting
more of the remaining drug dealers out of business.
Institutionalization provides an incentive for
drug using criminals to straighten themselves out,
before becoming part of the general prison population.
While helping protect society from crime,
institutionalization could also serve to deter drug
users from becoming criminals, since drug using
criminals, unlike other criminals, would be delayed
prior to serving their sentences by the additional
time it takes for them to sober up.
Institutionalization of drug using criminals
separate from the general prison population would also
provide a closely monitored pool of addicts who could
volunteer for research studies of new techniques and
treatments for addictive disease, with the potential
to benefit both themselves and others.
6. Dealers in illegal drugs are generally not
drug users themselves, and this is particularly true
of the drug bosses or kingpins running large illicit
organizations. Under this proposal, dealers would be
more readily identifiable, since upon arrest they
would presumably pass the drug test, or else decline
to take it in order to avoid having to explain why
they are in possession of drugs when it is apparent
they do not use them. Declining to take the test,
they would of course face stiffer penalties. While
each case of attempted sale of a noncommercial drug
would have to stand on own its merits, the outcome of
a suspect's drug test could provide additional
evidence for the prosecution.
7. Just as cigarette taxes have contributed to
the decline of smoking in our country by making
cigarettes more costly while at the same time
providing revenue for anti-smoking campaigns,
noncommercial drugs should be taxed, and the money
generated should be used to combat their use.
Enforcement of this tax should be on a voluntary basis
however, and should not be used as an excuse to
infringe on the rights and privacy of noncommercial
drug users, since to do so would have the effect of
reintroducing Prohibition.
Instead, drug users will be encouraged to pay the
tax by reminding them that if untaxed drugs are ever
found in their possession during the course of routine
police operations, they will be required to pay the
tax immediately or else forfeit their untaxed drugs to
be destroyed. If drug dealers are found to be selling
noncommercial drugs on which taxes have not been paid,
they will face additional prosecution for evading the
tax. The strategy of adding tax evasion to drug
dealing charges is already in use in some
jurisdictions, but its effectiveness is currently
limited by the illegality of drug possession.
Revenue from drug possession taxes and import
tariffs would be used to fund anti-drug advertising
campaigns, and provide support to private sector drug
treatment programs for those unable to afford
treatment.
8. Taxpayer subsidies to all drug producers must
be ended. Federal support of tobacco farming is both
immoral and wasteful in this era of tight budgets, and
the marijuana crops grown illicitly on federal lands
in many states must likewise be eliminated.
While my proposal would have the effect of
permitting the use of what are now illegal drugs, it
would hold the users of all drugs responsible for
their actions, and I believe, would reduce the harm
drugs have on our society, particularly the crime
caused by the illegal drug trade. So long as we
remain a free nation, with relatively porous borders,
and freedom for our citizens to travel, we will always
have a drug problem. Whether it takes the form of
heroin addicts dying in abandoned buildings, drunk
drivers killing and maiming others on our streets, or
emphysema patients struggling for breath after a
lifetime of smoking, the results are the same:
needless suffering and death. As a society we must
recognize that while our society permits us to harm
ourselves with drugs, as we are already doing
(regardless of the drug laws), we must take a stand
against the harm that drugs and drug users cause to
others. We must particularly oppose the vicious and
violent cartels which prey on the weakness of drug
users. By taking the profits out of their deadly
trade, my proposal goes a long way towards shutting
down these powerful criminal organizations.
The question of whether drug use is a moral or
medical problem depends on which group of drug users
you're talking about. Different drugs have different
effects, and some are more addictive than others. The
addictiveness of a drug also often varies between
individuals, and so we have some people who can drink
alcohol in moderation, while others find they cannot
resist the bottle. Nicotine, which former Surgeon
General C. Everett Koop declared to be as addicting as
heroin, is a legal drug with known harmful effects,
and while some people can stop smoking by willpower
alone, others continue to smoke even after treatment
for lung cancer.
For those individuals who can stop taking drugs
on their own, we may argue that because they have
chosen to use them, this represents a moral failure on
their part, or an unwillingness to face the
difficulties of life. But for the addicts, while they
may have chosen to use drugs the first time, by the
time they discover their addiction it is too late. We
cannot hold them responsible for their disease, any
more than we would blame someone who is drowning for
an inability to swim. Perhaps they should have known
not to go near the water, or perhaps someone should
have warned them of the danger, but in their present
circumstances warnings will not help. Neither does it
help for the drug dealers on the shore to be tossing
them weights.
--Standard disclaimer--
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* \' KEBARNES@memstvx1.memst.edu * for Pro-Balance! *
*(-)**Memphis,TN********75320.711@compuserve.com**********************
"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the
set, I go into the other room and read a book."--Groucho Marx
| 18talk.politics.misc |
I'm trying to connect a Mac SE modem port to a PC 25 way serial port,
can someone provide me with a wiring diagram for a null modem lead for
this setup.
Please use Email since my news feed is a bit quirky.
Thanks in advance
Sean Gordon
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Sean.Gordon@Dundee.NCR.COM|#include <stdio.h>
NCR (E&M) Ltd. |long a=10000,b,c=2800,d,e,f[2801],g;main(){for(;b-c;)
Tel (0382) 592586 |f[b++]=a/5;for(;d=0,g=c*2;c-=14,printf("%.4d",e+d/a),
Fax (0382) 622243 |e=d%a)for(b=c;d+=f[b]*a,f[b]=d%--g,d/=g--,--b;d*=b);}
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I don't know much about computers, so please bear with me. Here's my question:
CONTEXT: I use a package called SLIP on my home computer to connect to the
university mainframe (an IBM 3090 running VMS/MVS), and log on to my
account. When I installed SLIP on my computer, I had to configure it
for my modem (14.4 kbs Etronics internal) and had to supply the phone
number to dial to reach the mainframe. The way it works now is that
I type "telnet uicvm" or "tn3270 uicvm" (either will work) at the DOS
prompt. UICVM is the node name of the mainframe. The program then
dials the mainframe, establishes a protocol, and gives me the logon
screen. "TELNET" and "TN3270" are the names of batch files in my SLIP
directory. I have been told that a kermit protocol is used for the
session.
PROBLEM: I would like to be able to do all this under Windows 3.1 because I
hardly ever use DOS directly. SLIP will not run under Windows. I
talked to the people at our computer center, and they suggested that
I use a packet driver called WINPKT.COM with SLIP. They gave me
instructions on how to load it before I start Windows, and how to
modify the TCPSTART and TCPSTOP batch files (in the SLIP directory)
to ensure that it would work. I did all that and I could run SLIP
from Windows, but there were other problems. For one thing, SLIP
would not hang up the phone when I exited. I had to run my communi-
cations program to hang up the phone or reboot the computer when
that didn't work. For another, there were too many errors. It often
took me 3-4 tries to connect to the mainframe. Our computer center
does not support SLIP under Windows, so I can't keep going back to
them with more questions.
QUESTION: Is there some other SHAREWARE package that will run under Windows
and do what SLIP is supposed to do? I need a package that is not too
expensive, which is why I am looking for shareware. I have heard that
there are regular commercial packages that do all this, but they cost
hundreds of dollars. These are the main requirements:
1. Must be able to run under Windows 3.1
2. Must allow VT100 and IBM TN3270 terminal emulation
3. Must allow ftp file transfers, since that's the only kind the
mainframe allows. No Y-modem or Z-modem etc. I believe the ftp
transfers are made through a kermit protocol, but I'm hazy about
that.
A subsidiary feature (that would be nice to have) if it's a true
Windows program (rather than a DOS program modified to run under
Windows) is the ability to run the session in a window concurrently
with other applications and to cut and paste between the telnet
session and other applications.
Any information received is appreciated.
Pankaj Saxena
u09416@uicvm.uic.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In Article <1993Apr22.184906.24025@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> "mfox@nyx.cs.du.edu (mark fox)" says:
>
> Quite right, your batteries should be perfectly alright and retain
> most of their charge if drained and dried well, but I'd throw out the
> electrolyte and buy some more when you need it.
>
>
> And before anyone says I'm wrong, remember that new batteries almost
> always come ready charged and dry, and they are perfectly OK even after
> several years' storage at the shop.
>
> Mark Fox
>
>
Makes sense to me, after all when steel is manufactured and stored they
put oil on it so it won't rust. Logicaly, when you store your bike, you
must strip the paint and put oil on the metal to prevent rus
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr21.032746.10820@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yamen@cae.wisc.edu
(Soner Yamen) responded to article <1r20kr$m9q@nic.umass.edu> BURAK@UCSVAX.
UCS.UMASS.EDU (AFS) who wrote:
[AFS] Just a quick comment::
[AFS]
[AFS] Armenians killed Turks------Turks killed Armenians.
[AFS]
[AFS] Simple as that. Can anybody deny these facts?
Jews killed Germans in WWII -- Germans killed Jews in WWII, BUT there was
quite a difference in these two statements, regardless of what Nazi
revisionists say!
[SY] My grand parents were living partly in todays Armenia and partly in
[SY] todays Georgia. There were villages, Kurd/Turk (different Turkic groups)
[SY] Georgian (muslim/christian) Armenian and Farsi... Very near to eachother.
[SY] The people living there were aware of their differences. They were
[SY] different people. For example, my grandfather would not have been happy
[SY] if his doughter had willed to marry an Armenian guy. But that did not
[SY] mean that they were willing to kill eachother. No! They were neighbors.
OK.
[SY] Armenians killed Turks. Which Armenians? Their neoghbors? As far as my
[SY] grandparents are concerned, the Armenians attacked first but these
[SY] Armenians were not their neighbors. They came from other places. Maybe
[SY] first they had a training at some place. They were taught to kill people,
[SY] to hate Turks/Kurds? It seems so...
There is certainly a difference between the planned extermination of the
Armenians of eastern Turkey beginning in 1915, with that of the Armeno-
Georgian conflicts of late 1918! The argument is not whether Armenians ever
killed in their collective existence, but rather the wholesale destruction of
Anatolian Armenians under orders of the Turkish government. An Armenian-
Georgian dispute over the disposition of Akhalkalak, Lori, and Pambak after
the Turkish Third Army evacuated the region, cannot be equated with the
extermination of Anatolian Armenians. Many Armenians and Georgians died
in this area in the scramble to re-occupy these lands and the lack of
preparation for the winter months. This is not the same as the Turkish
genocide of the Armenians nearly four years earlier, hundreds of kilometers
away!
[SY] Anyway, but after they killed/raped/... Turks and other muslim people
[SY] around, people assumed that 'Armenians killed us, raped our women',
[SY] not a particular group of people trained in some camps, maybe backed
[SY] by some powerful states... After that step, you cannot explain these
[SY] people not to hate all Armenians.
I don't follow, perhaps the next paragraph will shed some light.
[SY] So what am I trying to point out? First, at least for that region,
[SY] you cannot blame Turks/Kurds etc since it was a self defense situation.
[SY] Most of the Armenians, I think, are not to blame either. But since some
[SY] people started that fire, it is not easy to undo it. There are facts.
[SY] People cannot trust eachother easily. It is very difficult to establish
[SY] a good relation based on mutual respect and trust between nations with
[SY] different ethnic/cultural/religious backgrounds but it is unfortunately
[SY] very easy to start a fire!
Again, the fighting between Armenians and Georgians in 1918/19 had little to
do with the destruction of the Armenians in Turkey. It is interesting that
the Georgian leaders of the Transcaucasian Federation (Armenia, Azerbaijan,
and Georgia) made special deals with Turkish generals not to pass through
Tiflis on their way to Baku, in return for Georgians not helping the Armenians
militarily. Of course, as Turkish troops marched across what was left of
Caucasian Armenia, many Armenians went north and such population movement
caused problems with the locals. This is in no comparison with events 4 years
earlier in eastern Anatolia. My father's mother's family escaped Cemiskezek ->
Erzinka -> Erzerum -> Nakhitchevan -> Tiflis -> Constantinople ->
Massachusetts.
[SY] My grandparents were *not* bloodthirsty people. We did not experience
[SY] what they had to endure... They had to leave their lands, there were
[SY] ladies, old ladies, all of her children killed while she forced to
[SY] witness! Young women put dirt at their face to make themselves
[SY] unattractive! I don't want to go into any graphic detail.
My grandmother's brother was forced to dress up as a Kurdish women, and paste
potato skins on his face to look ugly. The Turks would kill any Armenian
young man on sight in Dersim. Because their family was rather influential,
local Kurds helped them escape before it was too late. This is why I am alive
today.
[SY] You may think that my sources are biased. They were biased in some sense.
[SY] They experienced their own pain, of course. That is the way it is. But
[SY] as I said they were living in peace with their neighbors before. Why
[SY] should they become enemies?
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I would like to sell my camcorder. I havent used it much and I need the
money.
Panasonic PV-17 VHS-C Palmcorder
-High Speed Shutter
-Flying Erasr Head
-8:1 Power Zoom
-Digital Autp Tracking
-Audio/Video Dubbing
-Auto Tracking
-Digital Automatic Focus
-Book Mark Search
-Record Review
-Automatic White Balance
-CCD Image Sensor
-HQ System
Includes:
-Rechargeable battery
-Battery charger
-VHS PlayPak adapter
-4 Compact video cassettes
-All original docs, cables, box, etc.
I got it new in Sept. '92 and used it a total of about 20-25 times.
The battery has been charged less than 5 times. This thing is in
brand-new condition.
I am asking $550. Make me an offer.
-Hans Meyer
| 6misc.forsale |
OK, OK, OK. First, my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request, but here goes anyhow:
I'm *very* interested in finding out how I might be able to get two tickets for the All Star game in Baltimore this year. My very aged folks live about 50 miles away and I know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game. I went with them, and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child, to the All Star game in DC many years ago. Although I'm now in the SF Bay Area, I'd *love* to be able to treat my folks to this game; it's absolutely the last chance they'd ever have to attend this g
ame locally.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!
Mary Cole
mcole@informix.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <9454@blue.cis.pitt.edu> ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes:
> Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just
>Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of you
>who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the
>production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even
>reaped any $ made...
In the interests of saving badnwidth during this "heated" time of the
year (viz. the early flurry of "retard" comments coming from a certain
state whose name starts with P and ends with A), why don't you tell us
something we don't already know?
George
--
George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu
Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527
Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes...
#In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
#>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
#>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
#>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
#>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
#>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
#>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
#>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
#>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
#>
#>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
#>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
#>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
Yes. Nobody is watching them. If they get caught, there is no punishment
at all. In the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping
with a good-sized belt, and then taken into some hospital to see first hand
what kind of damage such accidents cause. Of course this doesn't happen
any more. That whipping would probably save the kid's life by teaching
him some respect for others. A person with that little respect would
inevitably wind up dead early anyway.
The problem is creeping gradualism. If you put a frog into hot water,
he just jumps out. But if you put him into cold water and then ever-so-
gradually heat it, the frog will cook. This is what the entertainment
industry and lack of religious, moral, and educational standards in our
modern North American society have done to us over the years. Now that
we are about to be 'cooked', we may have woken up too late.
#>
#>Erik velapold
#
#Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
#is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
#"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
#children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
#when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
#message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
And the education system and the Religious Leaders aren't doing much
about it, either. With both parents working in this society, where is
the stabilizing influence at home? Latchkey children are everywhere!
And these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to
whatever violent hate-promoting "music" and videos they like because no
one is home to stop it.
This day and age, when there is about 100 times more things to learn
than when I went to school, our answer to this increased knowledge is
shorter school hours and more leisure time! I say keep the kids in
school longer, feed them good food and teach them something, and when
they get home, have a parent there to interact and monitor them. There
is a very old and now forgotten proverb: a child left on his own will
bring a parent to grief. Daycare systems are not the answer. This is
just shifting the parents' own responsibilities off on someone else to
whom it's not a life-long committment, but rather just a job.
#
#AT
Followups should go to alt.parents-teens
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They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.
| 7rec.autos |
Does anyone know where I can get a hold of some secure encrypting chips
or devices before they are banned completely?!?
Steve
"If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption"
| 11sci.crypt |
(34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET) wrote:
: In light of recent events, it may soon become a very good idea
: to include the ability to produce transparent, or at least non-obvious,
: cyphertext in upcoming revisions.
This won't help if the NSA/FBA axis requires all messages to
undergo textual analysis and reduction to canonical form to
eliminate concealed messages.
After reading several National Computer Security Center
documents, I'm convinced that they are already using this
filter. DoubleplusgoodNOT.
--
grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr20.162615.8609@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>Haven't been to many A's games, have you?
>
>There's also a difference in how tolerant I am of long games if I'm
>watching them on the tube, and if I'm going there in person. For me, going
>to an A's game has become a major commitment of time, one that I'm not
>willing to make that often: the length of their games is costing the A's
>revenue from me.
>
I stopped going to A's games some years ago while I still lived inthe
Bay Area for exactly this reason. I believe the length of their games
has been institutionalized by LaRussa/Duncan. They encourage their
pitchers to be overly deliberate, to throw to first often, to study
the catchers' signals, and so on. And almost every A's hitter takes
a step out of the box after every pitch. This is not, imo, a coincidence.
This is planned. And I hate it.
As for the Gant situation, I did not see the game or the replays. But
I do wonder. What if Gant had requested a time out? Would Hirschbeck
have been required to give it to him? Could he have denied the requst?
For all he (the ump) knew, Gant could have had dirt in his eye.
--
Mark Singer
mss@netcom.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) writes:
> > Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not
> >a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system-
> >security.
> The only theory that makes any sense is that S1 and S2 are either the
>same for all chips, or vary among very few possibilities, so that anyone
>trying to break the encryption by brute force need only plow through the
>possible serial numbers (2^30, about one billion), multiplied by the number
>of different S1, S2 combinations.
My interpretation of Denning's description is that S1 and S2 are chosen
randomly by agents of the key escrow companies at the start of each 300-
chip programming session. I imagine that the chips are in a carrier which
will allow them all to be programmed fairly quickly - there would not be
a need to transfer chips one at a time into a little PLA programmer as some
people have envisioned.
My guess as to why this procedure is used is that basing the keys on the
S1 and S2 using a specified algorithm provides an (in-principle) checkable
way to verify that no back doors exist in the choice of the random numbers
used to generate the keys. Since we have to trust the escrow companies
anyway, it does not weaken the system to have the keys be generated from
random seeds entered by the escrow agents. And since the algorithm for
key-generation is public (modulo Skipjack secrecy) then in principle an
agent could challenge the procedure, ask for S1 and S2 to be exposed, and
run his own independent calculation of U1 and U2 to verify that that is
what is actually being put onto the floppies.
And yes, there are many ways in which failures to follow this scheme could
be hard to check. The laptop probably will not really be destroyed each
time. Hidden cameras in the ceiling could see the S1 and S2 entered by
the trusted escrow agents. Back doors in the chip could allow U to be
recovered. Heck, each chip could be recorded with the same U, ignoring
what was on the floppy.
Hal Finney
| 11sci.crypt |
In a previous article, ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) says:
>Let the "GREAT CHUCKMEISTER" make a couple predictions, if you
>will:
>
>1. The sun will rise tomorrow.
>2. Rush will bash Clinton on his next show.
>3. I will turn out to be Clinton's love child.
Hey, *I* wasn't the one dancing and singing on Jan. 20, now
WAS I? I was roundly ridiculed for my "predictions".
Sure they were easy. TEll that to the other 43% of the people. :)
>
>+----------------+
>| SUCKA! |
>| |
>| Made in USA |
>+----------------+
>
>Hook, line, and sinker! *chuckle*
Just WAIT until the see what Clinton has planned for
their pension funds! :) This one doesn't take much thinking
either. Uncle Sam needs money, BAD, and pension funds got it.
Well, they USED to have it. Turns out the states have been
plundering state employee funds for the past 2-3 years. ;)
Ah, it's gonna be SWELL!
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Acetone will likely damage the carpet. First solvent to try is denatured
alcohol. Do not waste your time with rubbing alcohol. You can use methyl
alcohol instead of denatured alcohol. If you want to have a cocktail while
you are removing the goo, use pure grain alcohol :-). If the alcohol does
not work try carbon tetrachloride. If neither of these work you may need to
try a stronger solvent, but the alcohol works for most adhesives. Good luck.
Jim
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>
scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that
>read "3.8 years for *all* solutions". I mean, if we can imagine the
>machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium
>that could index and archive it.
Hmmmm. I think, with really large keyspaces like this, you need to
alter the strategy discussed for DES. Attempt decryption of several
blocks, and check the disctribution of the contents. I don't think it's
at all feasible to keep 2**80 encryptions of a known plaintext block on
*any* amount of tape or CD-ROM. And certainly not 2**128 such encrypted
blocks. (Anyone know a cheap way of converting every atom in the solar
system into a one bit storage device?)
Actually, a keysearch of this kind shouldn't be much worse than the
simpler kind in terms of speed. It's just that you have to do it over
for *every* encrypted message.
Dumb question: Has anyone ever done any serious research on how many
legitimate ASCII-encoded 8-byte blocks there are that could be part of
an english sentence? For attacking DES in ECB mode, it seems like a
dictionary of this kind might be pretty valuable....
--John Kelsey
| 11sci.crypt |
Ok, I'm being driven batty.
Trying to create popup-menus (ie. button3 press, and a menu
appears). I would really like to use the standard Athena
classes to achieve this goal, but for my best attempts
I cannot get the menus to come up without using a MenuButton
as the parent of the widget tree. I know this should be
possible to to with an XtPopupSpringLoaded() and a
little twiddling, but something is escaping me.
--
name : David Koblas domain: koblas@netcom.com
affiliation: Extra Mile Consulting phone: +47 (83) 38663
quote: "Time has little to do with infinity and jelly donuts."
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Dennis Kriz) writes:
[ a lot of religious opinions and quotations from the Bible and from
many Catholic theologians and Papal Bulls ]
[ which, although introduced with a smiley, was not as funny as it
might have been (notable exception: subject headers such as "ONE'S
DICK IS ONE'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION." ]
[ and indeed, the posting seemed to be more a vehicle for the
religious text than for any "literary/moral analysis" ]
I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior
from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're-
The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought
that Catholics behaved better than this.
Friend Dennis, I urge you to follow the example of your fellow
Catholics, of who I count many dozens as my friends, and practice
your faith through good example and decent living and respect
for the common humanity of others. Please do not stoop to the
level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think
that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,
insulting and overbearingly self-righteous.
The imagery in the Song of Solomon is a little bit dated (get it?
Middle East - date palms - oh, never mind) but apparently acceptable,
on a steaminess level, to be accepted as part of the canon. From
this fact I derive that erotica itself is not incompatible with
Catholic doctrine.
Is there such a thing as Catholic erotica? Not necessarily a love
story between people of that faith, but a love story that is not
exploitative, does not seek redemption through penis size, pays
proper respect to the dignity of each partner, and is still erotic
enough to have a place on a.s.s.
I would submit that the _Darknites_ series of stories qualify, also
most of the _Journal Entries_, and _Rings I and II_.
I would guess that your aim is to cut down on the pornography and
increase the erotica. I actually agree with you that nearly all of
the "I've got an enormous dick, and I shot my wad all over her face"
stories are crap. I count them as noise, which makes my take on the
signal-to-noise ration much lower than many other people's.
Since you are one of the few posters here who can actually write
decent prose, could you write a few stories for us instead of
overwhelming us with commentary?
> Anyway, this is a big subject. PLEASE add your comments,
> additions and observations.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> dennis
> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu
>
--
Thank you.
Jeff
foster@mtechca.maintech.com
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <19930419.155204.305@almaden.ibm.com> ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) writes:
> I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip,
>and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. Any back-
>doors or weaknesses would further discredit the scheme, and help grow
>the market demand for a secure alternative.
I must admit that this point has been running through my mind for most of
the discussion: one the dice are out there, it won't be long before someone
decaps it and, after a bit of work, has full details of the Clipper
algorythm. This isn't trivial to do, but then again, it is not impossibly
difficult either. Any half way decent VLSI design student should be able
to take a photograph of a technology s/he is familiar with, and given a
description of the input, output, control and supply lines, figure out
the function of various subsystems on the die. Indeed, this is not an
uncommon exercise performed during training (because it makes you think
about design decisions made by other designers.
I could speculate that these chips are going to be manufactured using
"tamperproof" carriers (unlikely - such techniques are *very* expensive
and this thing is supposed to be relatively cheap to produce), or that
there will be some legal or legislative framework to prevent publication
of the algorythm (unlikely - please correct me if I am wrong but aren't these
supposed to be sold internationally?). I suppose that the most likely
reason the algorythm is remaining secret for the moment is that some idiot
bureaucrat, untrammeled by the realities of the situation, decided that
"well, we should keep it a secret because it is supposed to be secret,
isn't it?"
Just some random thoughts...
--
Ian Farquhar Phone : + 61 2 805-9400
Office of Computing Services Fax : + 61 2 805-7433
Macquarie University NSW 2109 Also : + 61 2 805-7420
Australia EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au.
| 11sci.crypt |
I am wondering how to change the English fonts in an existed
API to some multi-bytes fonts ? (such as Chinese, Japanese...)
Someone told me X11R5 supports some internationalization
features, but I cannot find any examples for my need. Is there
anybody has done some similar jobs ?
By the way, all the English fonts should be replace by Chinese or
Japanese fonts, that means in windows, menubar, button....
That will be great if someone can share us what you have done.
Thanks in advance.
M.C. Hung
| 5comp.windows.x |
I recently bought a monichrome VGA monitor for $99 that will do
1024x768 non-interlaced, which seems like a good deal. However, it is
a fixed-scan rate monitor, and only handles 52 kHz horizontal, I
think. With my Trident card it works only in graphics modes 5e and 62
- not much use, since just about any application will set the mode to
something else, especially if it wants to do text, I suppose. Anyway:
- is there any way that I can use this as a general-purpose VGA
display with a 1-meg trident 8900C card?
- if not, can I do so with some sort of different VGA card?
Peter Desnoyers
--
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Just a quick summary of recent findings re. high speed modems. Top three
contenders seem to be AT&T Paradyne, ZyXEL, and US Robotics. ZyXEL has the
biggest "cult following", and can be had for under $300, but I ignored it
because I need something with Mac software, which will work without any
tweaking.
The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are
backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in
effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two
modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables &
all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order
directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and
they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty...
USR Sportster for the Mac is also highly (but not as highly) recommended;
it's only $250 from ClubMac, and if you are willing to roll your own cable
and don't care about the FAXstf software, you can get the generic model
from PC outlets for $190.
All this assuming that you don't have a rich uncle, and can't afford a
Motorola Codex... :-( I ended up ordering the Dataport; we'll see how
it works in two weeks or so.
--
Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department
behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!)
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1r044aINNh9f@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>The following was sent to me by a friend of mine (a med student). It
>originally appeared in a medical discussion list.
>
>--GUN CONTROL - The AMA expressed support for S. 414 and H.R. 1025 (the "Brady
>--Handgun Violence Prevention Act"). Citing its strong support for the "Brady
>--Bill" in past Congresses, the AMA termed as "particularly alarming" violence
>--associated with, and stemming from, the widespread and easy availability and
>--use of firearms. The AMA proceeded to comment: "While we recognize that a
>--waiting period of 5 business days before a handgun purchase will not address
>--all of the difficult problems that have made violence so prevalent in our
>--society, we believe that it is a beginning and will save lives. Physicians
>--are first-hand witnesses to the horrendous cost in human life being exacted
>--by firearm violence. A reasonable waiting period before the purchase of a
>--handgun is a protection that the American people deserve." (Letters to
>--Senator Howard M. Metzenbaum and Representative Charles E. Schumer; March 11,
>--1993.)
I wonder if the AMA has an exact listing of "lives saved" in
Tennessee, California, and other waiting period states.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
| 16talk.politics.guns |
please subscrive me.
rpicas@porto.inescn.pt
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <pgf.735606045@srl02.cacs.usl.edu>, pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes...
>Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes:
>....
>>people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up
>>and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D
>
>Seen that movie already. Or one just like it.
>Come to think of it, they might send someone on
>a quest to get rid of the dang thing...
Actually, the idea, like most good ideas, comes from Jules Verne, not
_The Gods Must Be Crazy._ In one of his lesser known books (I can't
remember which one right now), the protagonists are in a balloon gondola,
travelling over Africa on their way around the world in the balloon, when
one of them drops a fob watch. They then speculate about the reaction
of the natives to finding such a thing, dropped straight down from heaven.
But the notion is not pursued further than that.
-Scott
-------------------- New .sig under construction
Scott I. Chase Please be patient
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV Thank you
| 14sci.space |
Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
: What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
: you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
: don't ride until tomorrow"?
It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify
a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
twice as strict as DWI minimums.
BTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer/hour will
keep your blood/alcohol level barely street-legal. Coffee, hyperventilation
and other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger.
--
Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr14.231117.21872@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM writes:
>In article <philC5Ht1t.GwA@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes...
>>Correct. JFK was quite disgusting in that way. The reports of the women that
>>he coerced via power of the office are now in the dozens. Today, we';d
>>call for immediate resignation for that kind of behaviour.
>I guess coercing women into having sex is MUCH worse than stealing, breaking
>and entering, rigging national elections, starting secret wars that kill
>hundreds of thousands, and using the powers of your office for personal
>gain like Nixon did. NOT!
Garrett, you are a really pathetic liar.
Some of your charges are arguable, but most of them are obvious lies.
I challenge you to present us with any evidence that Nixon stole,
rigged a national election, never mind elections, or used the powers
of his office for personal gain.
You can't because there is absolutely no evidence that any of these
events occurred.
>>Along with normalized relations with the PRC.
>"Normalizing relations" with Cambodia? You must be joking. We sponsored
>the OVERTHROW of the Cambodian government. After repeated failed attempts
>of course.
Your sad level of historical and political knowlege is probably best
exemplified by the fact that you think PRC stands for Cambodia instead
of Red China.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
As the owner of a V65 Sabre (shaftie), I can answer from personal experience:
Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Chuck Smythe (DoD #50)
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <56720008@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway) writes:
>Not on my system.
>
>Frank Calloway
Nor mine, either of them!
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <cantrell.735330560@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov> cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell) writes:
>Awhile back someone posted some information on where you can get
>kits to build an EEG. Does anyone remember where you could get
>this. I'm very interested in getting some info on this. Thanks
>in advance.
>
>eric
>
>cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa
>
Contact Circuit Cellar Inc., 4 Park St. - Suite 12, Vernon, CT 06066
(203)875-2751, FAX (203)872-2204 and inquire about HAL-4 EEG Biofeedback
Brainwave Analyzer.
In addition, if you want to build your own system from board-level compo-
nents (biosignal amplifiers, analog isolators and isolated multiplexers)
you can contact The Davron Group,P.O. Box 237, Deerfield, IL 60015
FAX (708)948-9290.
- David
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article <930419000332.60e01d81@TGV.COM>, mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L.
Mahan) writes:
|> #
|> # I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I
|> # recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group
|> # near death?
|> #
|>
|> Seen from the mailing list side, I'm getting about the right amount of
|> traffic.
And seen from my point of view, I get far too much articles to keep up with
them. I am lucky if I can scan through the subjects from time to time.
--
Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten
Univ. Dortmund, IRB
Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund
| 5comp.windows.x |
Comments about "who needs backup copies"? and "YOU do" deleted....
I'll toss in my 2 cents worth - I've begun to think that distribution
disks are made on some of the least reliable floppy disk stocks available.
We've been especially plagued by Borland's distribution disks. I'm
lucky if I can install from them as many as 3 times before they crap
out on me. So definitely, as a matter of course we ALWAYS make copies
to do our installations with.
--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ ..........
.. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . .
. . . . . . . . happens .
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr23.151855.7011@starbase.trincoll.edu> () writes:
>In article <1r6p8oINN8hi@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
>Arras) wrote:
>>
>> I have not made up my mind about Waco, but there sure seems to be a group of
>> devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that
>> government wants to tell them, without any shred of doubt, nor thought of thier
>> own. They sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken.
>>
>> Kinda reminds you of the BDs, doesn't it?
>>
>> Jim
>
>Go to hell. I'm no "government [-] following fanatic." Your sweeping
>generalizations evince your own ignorance. What were they supposed to do?
>Just let him be? Fuck him. Fuck the ATF, too. They should've done it right
>the first time.
>
>joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu
This is, apparently, what passes for intelligent discourse at Trinity.
Joe "FBI cultist" Kusmierczak gets angry when its pointed out that
the FBI has told him is a LIE, the mounting evidence is that
they've lied about almost every detail of 4/19 except that they
were there. What can you expect of cultists like him, somebody
oughtta burn him out, and if he's trapped, well, good riddance!
Right Joe?
--
+ Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only +
|*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* |
|*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*|
+*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* +
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In a previous article, ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam) says:
>
>In a previous article, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) says:
>
>>
>> How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the
>>Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these
>>countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic
>>Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I thought there are no jews live in Arab countries, didn't hey move
>all to Palestine? "Only the happy jews did not move!!"
>
>Would you tell me which Arab country is prohipiting the Jews from
>migrating to Palestine?
the last arab country was syria. but not all of them
migrated due to the jewish state economical and
securital dilemma!
>
--
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I have a very oily skin. My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes
> oily in half an hour. Especially in the nose region. Is this an illness? How
> can I prevent it from occuring in such short time? Is there a cleanser out
> there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become
> oily in such a short time.
>
> Thank you for any suggestion.
>
>if this is a disease, everyone should have it. My skin has always been oily -
i used to say "if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face".
i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's
skin at 30 (it's still oily). i have only a very few tiny wrinkles. Thank
your lucky stars for that skin.
| 13sci.med |
Hi,
I'm looking for a program which is able to display 24 bits
images. We are using a Sun Sparc equipped with Parallax
graphics board running X11.
Thanks in advance.
| 1comp.graphics |
Well I just read in the Boston Globe that while not confirming
(or denying) anything, Walsh may end up with the Rangers organizations
as an (assistant Coach?). Keenan has talked with Walsh in the past
(he came up to see Kariya as he will be coaching him in the worlds,
funny I guess he got to watch the Ferraro brothers as well.....) I'm
not sure if walsh will go, but if Keenan is getting 700,000 and walsh
even gets 100,000 that's a 30% pay raise for walsh (not to mention
a nice career move....) Anyone from New York Hear anything about
this????????
Pat Ellis
P.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1......
HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS.....
HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>......
PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER.......
NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M-A-I-N-E GGGGOOOOOOO BBBLLLUUEEEE!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
We are looking for some telephone interfaces (boards/boxes) to hook up to a
computer which will be running one of Unix/DOS/Mac.
We want to be able to communicate with a database on the computer using DTMF
and the telephone interface. It would be nice if the telephone interface
came with a set of library routines (preferably in C++) which we could use to
write our own programs.
We would also like to be able to record and playback voice using the
computer's hard disk for storage.
Does anyone here have any experience with, or knowledge of, any products
which might meet our needs?
Please reply via E-Mail and I will summarize if there is interest.
Thanks.
Monty
--
# Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405
# monty%roscom@think.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5nGII.BGx@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes:
>
>Hi there,
>
>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for
>C650 regarding fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650
>has the message "fpu: optional". I know from what we've discussed in this
>newsgroup that all C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80
>configuration. Why would they be so unclear about this issue in their
>price list?
>I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting
>confused with whether it comes with fpu or not.
>Why say "optional" if it's built in?
>Please, anybody help me understand this game.
>
>Regards,
>
>Thian.
>
If you get the Centris 650 with CD configuration, you are getting a Mac with
a 68RC040 processor that has built-in math coprocessor support. My
understanding is that the "optional fpu" refers to your option of purchasing
the Centris 650 4/80 without FPU OR one of the other configurations WITH FPU.
Apple does not offer an upgrade from the non-FPU system to become an FPU
system. And, it is unclear whether the '040 processor on the non-FPU system
(a 68LC040) can be replaced with a 68RC040 supplied by another vendor.
Apple did send a memo out at one point sating that the Centris 610, which ONLY
comes with a non-FPU 68LC040 processor CANNOT be upgraded to support an FPU -
the pin configurations of the two chips apparently do not match so you cannot
swap one for another (again, according to Apple's memo).
Hope that helps.
Kevin Lohman
University Book Store, University of Washington
Buyer for the UW Apple Computers for Education Program
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr5.015209.29431@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr2.231109.23378@msc.cornell.edu> srussell@msc.cornell.edu (Stephen Russell) writes:
|> >ObGuns: I'm moving to Arizona; everyone carries guns there. If I don't, what
|> >are the approximate probabilities that I'll get shot by the end of six months?
|>
|> Under 1 in 20,000 assuming FBI statistics are meaningfull.
Of course, if you're a criminal, or hang around with criminals, or
flash large wads of cash in the wilder parts of town, or utter verbal
bigotry in the right public places, your chances of being shot are much
higher.
Avoiding these behaviors, on the other hand, decreases your chances of
being shot.
Something like 60% of all murders are criminals killing criminals.
Over 90% of murders are committed by people with a prior *known*
history of violence.
Simplistic moral, suitable for my three year old, and most inane
posters: "Bad people do bad things - repeatedly."
--
Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing." -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <Apr16.215151.28035@engr.washington.edu> eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>the price of parts is a different story though...
you can say that again.
how does $23 for a new thermostat sound?
-teddy
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary
Coffman) writes:
> >Why do you think at least a couple centuries before there will
> >be significant commerical activity on the Moon?
>
> Wishful thinking mostly.
[Lots of stuff about how the commerical moonbase=fantasyland]
Then what do you believe will finally motivate people to leave the
earth? I'm not trying to flame you. I just want to know where you
stand.
-Chuck
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"If pro is the opposite of con,
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| 14sci.space |
In <andy.bgsu.edu-250493225109@m248-100.bgsu.edu> andy.bgsu.edu (Ryan ) writes:
> Paul Stewart called *the* single worst game I've seen this year.
> Federov's major was obvious, and I don't dispute it.
>However, Chaisson's penalty shouldn't even have been a penalty, let alone
> a major and a game misconduct.
>
I don't "notice" refs and linesmen until the playoffs come around, and
yes I have to agree that Stewart called the *two* worst games I've seen
so far (Mtl-Quebec game 1, and last nights Toronto-Detroit game).
What's the scoop on this guy? Is he the latest incarnation of
KERRY FRASER??? Just because you are boneheadedly stubborn doesn't
make you a good ref!!! Making the right call does...
My votes for:
Best Ref: Van Hellemond
Most Improved: Koharski
Worst: Paul Stewart
(Oops, I don't really want to start a best/worst ref thread so don't
follow up ;-)
Paul Yatrou.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Could someone tell me how to make/find/get the best frontplate for
IIvi/IIvx/C650 with internal SyQuest drive?
Is there one available or do I have to make one from the original or
CD-ROM one or scratch?
Every suggestion welcome.
--
Jartsu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <25228@ksr.com>, jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:
>nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes:
>>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes:
>>>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the
>>>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of
>>>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case.
>>I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred
>>to the tool as "...the PLIERS that took a ride into space...". They also
>>said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind
>>during assembly of one SRB.
It was a test of the first reusable tool.
>
>I assume, then, that someone at Thiokol put on their "manager's hat" and said
>that pissing off the customer by delaying shipment of the SRB to look inside
>it was a bad idea, regardless of where that tool might have ended up.
>
>Why do I get the feeling that Thiokol "manager's hats" are shaped like cones?
Pointy so they can find them or so they will stick into their pants better, and
be closer to their brains?
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| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr29.102341.13820@comp.lancs.ac.uk> julian@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Julian G. Self) writes:
>Wasn't the shareware fee a "suggestion" by John?
It's a request to personal users; it's a requirement for commercial,
government, and institutional users.
Someone else asked whether the authors of the JPEG and TIFF software had
given permission to incorporate their code into a commercial product. I
found the following in jpeg/README:
We specifically permit and encourage the use of this software as the
basis of commercial products, provided that all warranty or liability
claims are assumed by the product vendor.
and the following in tiff/Copyright:
Permission to use, copy, modify, distribute, and sell this software and
its documentation for any purpose is hereby granted without fee, ...
Looks like he's OK on that account.
--
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.
barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
| 5comp.windows.x |
Minolta FD 50 mm lens for sale. Good condition. Asking $30.
Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1r1a5vINNt3d@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cam@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Cameron Daly) writes:
>Someone mentioned a while ago that the Duos were scheduled for a
>10-18% price reduction, according to 'newsbytes'. Is this definite?
>Does anyone know when it will take effect? And what is 'newsbytes'?
>Thanks.
It already happened as far as I know... I got some email about three
weeks ago saying it was coming, and sure enough, a week after that the
Duos dropped in price. I think the Duo 210 4/80 is now around
US$1,8xx.
The educational prices have dropped, and I imagine others as well, but
I haven't really checked around since I boycott the local NecroCenter
for reasons that extend over the past 13 years.
JT
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5vMF3.MBt@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
> In article <1993Apr22.065357.9667@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) writes:
> [article deleted]
> >
> >Just doing a quick reality check here - is this for real or did someone
> >invent it to provoke a reaction from people? It sounds more like the
> >sort of thing you'd have heard, suitably rephrased, from the leader of a
> >certain German political party in the 1930's....
>
> It sounds like a joke (but then the war on drugs has always been a joke...).
I'm seeking permission to repost the actual note, but someone on another
mailing list checked the archives on Nexis (UPI and all major newspapers),
and found no mention of that article.
| 11sci.crypt |
NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/22/93.
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CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS BEST OF SEVEN
PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE
NJ BUF (leads 3-0) STL (leads 2-0) WIN
PIT (leads 3-0) BOS CHI VAN (leads 2-0)
NYI (leads 2-1) MON TOR LA (tied 1-1)
WAS QUE (leads 2-1) DET (leads 2-0) CAL
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Quebec Nordiques (leads series 2-1) 1 0 0 0 - 1
Montreal Canadiens 0 1 0 1 - 2
1st period: QUE, Sundin 1 - (Gusarov) 1:17
2nd period: MON, Muller 1 - (Damphousse, Bellows) (pp) 1:30
3rd period: NONE
1 Overtime: MON, Damphousse 1 - (Bellows, Desjardins) (pp) 10:30
Powerplay Opportunities-Nordiques 0 of 4
Canadiens 2 of 6
Shots on Goal- Nordiques 12 4 14 5 - 35
Canadiens 11 14 13 12 - 50
Quebec Nordiques--Hextall (2-1) (50 shots - 48 saves)
Montreal Canadiens--Roy (1-2) (35 shots - 34 saves)
ATT-17,679
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Pittsburgh Penguins (leads series 3-0) 1 0 3 - 4
New Jersey Devils 1 1 1 - 3
1st period: NJD, Guerin 1 - 1:03
PIT, McEachern 3 - (Straka) 9:36
2nd period: NJD, Holik 1 - (S.Stevens) 16:32
3rd period: PIT, M.Lemieux 4 - (Murphy, Ramsey) 1:07
PIT, Taglianetti 1 - (Loney, Tippett) 7:05
PIT, Murphy 1 - (Francis, Tocchet) (pp) 9:31
NJD, Semak 1 - (Zelepukin) 9:44
Powerplay Opportunities-Penguins 1 of 4
Devils 0 of 5
Shots on Goal- Penguins 7 16 12 - 35
Devils 16 11 5 - 32
Pittsburgh Penguins--Barrasso (3-0) (32 shots - 29 saves)
New Jersey Devils--Billington (0-1) (35 shots - 31 saves)
ATT-14,974
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Boston Bruins 1 0 2 0 - 3
Buffalo Sabres (leads series 3-0) 2 0 1 1 - 4
1st period: BUF, Mogilny 4 - (LaFontaine, Hawerchuk) (pp) 1:33
BUF, Khmylev 1 - (Smehlik, Hannan) 4:42
BOS, Bourque 1 - (Oates, Donato) (pp) 17;33
2nd period: NONE
3rd period: BOS, Smolinski 1 - (Oates) 13:28
BUF, B.Sweeney 2 - (Khmylev, Carney) 14:56
BOS, Neely 3 - (Oates, Shaw) 15:57
1 Overtime: BUF, Khmylev 2 - (Hawerchuk, LaFontaine) (pp) 1:05
Powerplay Opportunities-Bruins 1 of 5
Sabres 2 of 7
Shots on Goal- Bruins 11 8 15 0 - 34
Sabres 12 11 8 3 - 34
Boston Bruins--Blue (0-1) (34 shots - 30 saves)
Buffalo Sabres--Fuhr (3-0) (34 shots - 31 saves)
ATT-16,325
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Washington Capitals 1 1 1 0 - 3
New York Islanders (leads series 2-1) 1 0 2 1 - 4
1st period: NYI, Thomas 1 - 16:37
WAS, Burridge 1 - (May, Cavallini) 18:58
2nd period: WAS, Carpenter 1 - (Ridley, Bondra) 6:18
3rd period: WAS, Elynuik 1 - (Carpenter, Ridley) 6:15
NYI, Thomas 2 - (Turgeon, King) 11:11
NYI, Turgeon 3 - (Thomas, Hogue) 19:17
1 Overtime: NYI, Ferraro 3 - (Hogue, Flatley) 4:46
Powerplay Opportunities-Capitals 0 of 2
Islanders 0 of 4
Shots on Goal- Capitals 10 8 6 1 - 25
Islanders 10 6 8 6 - 30
Washington Capitals--Tabaracci (1-2) (25 shots - 21 saves)
New York Islanders--Healy (2-1) (30 shots - 27 saves)
ATT-14,180
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-SPIKE-
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes...
>>v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
>>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes...
>
>Okay, but do doctors willingly testify against each other in
>malpractice cases when they do go to court (obviously, absolutely
>essential to prove malpractice)? It used to be impossible to get
>doctors here to do that (A possible advantage of the US system
>you won't hear about from the AMA).
Our doctors' monopoly is exactly the same as in the U.S., if not
more powerful now that they can dictate insurance payment rates,
but I don't know an answer to this one. Anecdotally, my friends
who are MD's (including my main buds from high school) talk about
how hard it is to turn "state's witness" against someone else ...
no direct experience there, though.
>Also, in some circumstances you may have to sue the insurance plan-
>people here, after all, sue health insurance companies all the time.
>I heard about a guy in Alberta who came down with some rare eye
>disease that he had to take repeated trips to Seattle to get treated.
>It cost him and his family something like $6000 and the province,
>years later, still has only reimbursed them for $500 or so.
Well, what American private insurance plans cover travel expenses???
Since our public insurance plans are publicly accountable, one can
raise a stink in the media to try and extort benefits beyond which
one is entitled (hey, not Alberta's fault that he lives there) ...
If he lived in Cheyenne, WY his private insurance would've told him
to go to hell for the travel expenses and that's that. An HMO would
have just kept quiet and let him go blind.
>>>Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre
>>>outside Ottawa.
>>
>>It serves the same purpose as the Bethesda Naval Hospital ... since
>>not all hospitals can provide everything, maybe they have some stuff
>>that others don't? (Ottawa's population is only a quarter million,
>>if you include the surrounding counties.)
>
>My point was that something that should necessarily remain
>unpoliticized has become very politicized, to the detriment
>of its mission.
I don't think that this has been shown with the DMC ...
>>>The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are
>>>>approved by the government, how do you keep political considerations
>>>out of medical decisions? I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good
>>>friends with one, you're put on any hospital's "urgent" care list no
>>>matter how minor your problem. Which is OK unless you're someone who
>>>gets bumped off the list for some bigshot.
>>
>>People of influence will get their way in any system, American or
>>European. It's the "Golden Rule" - he who has the gold makes the
>>rules. (-;
>
>But to what extent does it affect the system? And why is an urgent
>care list necessary in the first place? It's worth thinking about.
It's regular practice in a hospital to figure out who needs to get
at what facilities. Don't Americans have to arrange in advance for
operations too? I think that there are two standards being applied
here, and that Canada can't give Beverly Hills-style treatment to
everybody. It's not a big brother list ... it's more like calling
around town for a table for dinner ...
>Yeah, but private nonprofit foundations have to make money somehow,
>especially in the hospital business.
Yes, and the Tories in Ottawa are trying to make them do that rather
than hope for a bigger grant from the feds and their province the
next time around. Whether it's using mop a couple of weeks longer
or even selling services to Americans (remember, our system is cash
based and since our health care infrastructure is overbuilt except
in specialties that require larger populations to generate business,
why not? The alternative is closing unused wards ... business.).
>whether Canadians would be thrilled at the prospect of their own
>health services catering toward Americans, who would be willing
>to pay more than they do, is another issue entirely), it must be
>noted that they said they were doing it partly because their grants
>from the province were getting smaller If those grants are so
>insubstantial, why the need to attract foreigners to make up the
>difference?
You answered the question yourself ... "private nonprofit foundations
have to make money somehow", and I think that it's about time that
they acted like the private hospitals that they are. Personally,
I'm fed up with Canadian socialists trying to tell everyone that
their health care is free when we are actually buying insurance
(that's one at you, Bob Rae!!).
>>The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total
>>outlay, and are compiled use the same methods by the OECD that yield
>>the 13-14% figure for the U.S.
>
>But don't the US figures include dentistry and optometry where the
>Canadian one (until recently, anyway) didn't?
Since we have always been evaluated in an OECD style, I don't see
how ... remember, OECD counts both private and public funds, and
in Canada like France and Germany, 30% of health care spending is
private funds (i.e., not the basic health insurance money).
>>>So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse.
>>
>>How? They are collecting premiums ... and I'm an advocate of having
>>copayments like the French do in their system ...
>
>Well, if you spend more than you take in, you go bankrupt. It's that
>simple. If the provincial insurance systems find themselves paying
>out more than they get in revenue, they won't be able to pay for
>everybody's primary care. Yes, the infrastructure will be there.
>But will everybody be able to continue using it at the same rate.
Minor copayments can flush out abusers. Remember that our "system"
is only an insurance policy. But our costs aren't rising fast
enough to ensure adequate copayments/deductibles ... last year,
Quebec's user-fee proposal came out with the number of "$5" as
the necessary hike that could be done through a copayment rather
than give the QMA a raise. And it's not contract time yet, as
far as I can tell from UPI Clarinet ...
Even the new Reform Party, a breakoff of traditionalists from the
Conservatives with a mildly "libertarian" faction, holds our public
health insurance as an untouchable but that just a few people have to
be reminded that it's not free (the average Canadian/European is more
fiscally naive than their American counterparts on issues like these).
But no mention of copayments anywhere to be seen ... but cutting public
spending all over the place, and bringing back the death penalty, with
little haste if elected.
>I know that, for Pete's sake, I live right on the border. I know the
>Canadian system isn't socialized medicine (unlike Britain's NHS).
Sorry! (-; It's just that I even run into people from Buffalo
and from Michigan who don't know ...
>The point is, that means that if the money runs low in the plan,
>you're out of luck unless you can afford it yourself.
Yeah, but there'd be a lot of lead-time and a health-care crisis that
would preclude it. If provincial governments (as bad as some of them
are; heck, we have the NDP cleaning up a spending mess made by the
Conservatives in Saskatchewan - embarassing!) can be so irresponsible,
there is still reallocation --- health insurance is so important that
it's about the only thing that can inspire open rebellion and violent
insurrection outside of the hockey rink. Right now, attempts to get
the system and its users to learn good habits are being treated like
cod-liver oil ...
>>>Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no
>>>obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again,
>>>but if what you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of
>>>practice in handling such basic services, too).
>>
>>Some of the companies providing extra insurance are subsidiaries of
>>American companies, and their parents provide full insurance down
>>here. Regardless, all firms up north can easily turn on cable TV
>>to see how well the American firms are doing by being involved in
>>basic coverage. The private firms are making too much money after
>>having gotten rid of basic coverage. They run around patting them-
>>selves on the back for their own cooperation in providing extras
>>for those people who "deserve it".
>
>Yeah, but eventually it's going to create a kind of two-tiered
>effect that will be noticeable after a while, like in Britain.
Most Americans are fearful of a single-tier system ... (-;
Seriously, there are few areas that have sufficient population for a
two/more-tiered system like what the French have ... a health policy
prof, D.G. Shea, has cited studies in the NEJM that indicate having
a population of 500,000 is necessary for adequate competition ...
and in Canada, there are only four cities west of the Great Lakes
with that population or larger.
Anyways, the numbers show that costs have held steadier than those
in the U.S. and barring any future Chernobyl-like crisis, sudden
transients in spending are unlikely. In fact, the health allocation
is one of the most well-behaved sectors of spending up north so any
talk of bankruptcy is talk-radio fodder far away from the border.
>If the provinces hit fiscal rough spots and have to cut back, the
>things private insurers have to offer will seem less and less like
>luxuries and the gap will be more and more noticeable.
This won't be overnight, and something like this would force Canada
to have a system more like the French one ... but that's not a bad
thing, and the change will be minimal (i.e., add copayments and
frustrate the socialists chanting "Hey, it's *free*!").
gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C56BHt.7qF@news.Hawaii.Edu> dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) writes:
>
>Is there a free/share( ware) package that will allow multiple
>desktops in windows 3.1. What is desired is to have a desk top
>for several people that each can personalize by name and choice
>of programs etc.
Amishware has one included in their package. They were advertising here on the
net a couple of weeks ago with a riduculously (That is in a good way, Ted!)
low price. Does anyone remember what it was ?
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Motorola has a good app note on a 10 band equalizer using a 56000 DSP. It
could be easily ported to an Ariel board, or even a Turtle Beach 56K
development system.
| 12sci.electronics |
If I were Pat Burns I'd throw in the towel. The wings dominated every
aspect of the game. Trying to mix up the lines is a dead end. Murray
has too many combinations to counter with. My prediction is wings in 5.
Mark
Let's Go Wings!!!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <2BCCA235.803@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:
>Just because someone else loves sitting in shit and throws some at
>you doesn't mean you have to get in a shit fight. [...]
>Let this little cadre of
>verbal bigots and mentally-challenged idiots talk to themselves.
Hear, hear! If everyone followed this rule, tpm would consist
entirely of Arab apologists howling at the moon all by themselves.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Michael Siemon writes:
>Furthermore, it is inaccurate to say that the Reformers "threw out" these
>books. Basically, they just placed them in a secondary status (as Jerome
>had already done), but with the additional warning that doctrine should
>not be based on citations from these ALONE.
Protestants love to play up Jerome for all he is worth. They should
remeber that after the Decree of Pope St. Damsus I, Jerome did not
hesitate in accpeting the deuteroncanon, and quoted them as Scripture in
his later writings. And as I have already pointed out, in a previous
letter on this subject, the Catholic Church has accepted the
deuterocanon from the beginning. And the Protestants in the 1500's all
of a sudden revived the old theory of some, condemned by Pope, Council,
and Church, that the deuterocanon were not inspired.
Again, why must the Church of Jesus Christ adopt the canon of the
unbelieving Jews, drawn up in Jamnia in 90 AD, in countering the
Christian use of the Septuagint. ^^^^^
Andy Byler
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Was going over some videos last night.....
Studying 1986 and 1992 videotapes of Jose Canseco proved to be very
interesting. And enlightening.
Here's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco,
circa June 1986.
1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds,
not gain more bulk.
2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's
lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed.
3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like
Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is
released. Downing could do this without significant head movement -
Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his
stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes,
they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard
to make adjustments in your swing.
What would I do, if I were Jose?
Aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch,
so that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing.
First, minimize movement before the swing. Close and widen the stance,
and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing. Hopefully, this
will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move
the bathead more freely.
Second, drop 20 pounds. Cut out the weight work.
Third, relax the wrists. Will cost some power, but until I can find
my 1988 stroke, concentrate on keeping the back shoulder up, rolling
the wrists through the strike zone, and hit line drives. His strength
is more than enough so that some of those line drives will get out of
the park.
If Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back
problems, he'll be out of baseball in three years. If not, he could
still hit 600+ HR.
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* available thru * I'd be happy to turn it up for you. I didn't *
* Ted Frank." * know that many people your age liked King's X." *
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
>lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
>
>>According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a
>>gun "buy back". They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in.
>>They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of
>>some sort. They are looking for more funds to keep operating. Another
>>media-event brought to you by HCI.
>>
>>Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ? For example, pay $100
>>to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ? Sounds a bit
>>tacky, but hey, whatever works.
As David Veal points out, this sort of "promotion" would be used
against gun owners by the mass media.
However, here is my proposal: offer gun safety classes in your area,
free, as a community service. Such a class would normally cost $40
or $50, so offering it free is a good promotion.
Our Gun Club has organized several of these (we just finished
teaching another one last night, in fact) and they have been
very well received. We get a lot of people who are novices
interested in guns. We even get a few who are anti-gun, but
feel they should know something about "gun safety" since members
of their family keep guns at home.
Teaching such a course gives us many desirable benefits:
(1) We have the chance to teach gun safety rules; this increases
firearm awareness and may help to reduce gun accident stats.
(2) A "gun safety" class is Politically Correct, and likely to
be viewed positively by the public and the media.
(3) Most of the students are 'normal people' (not gun enthusiasts)
and this kind of class gives us the chance to give them a
gentle introduction to firearms.
(4) Some of the students are enthusiastic, and will purchase a gun
and become more involved in shooting or personal defense.
(5) It improves the public perception of our club and gun owners
in general. Our students see that we are all reasonable,
non-aggressive, soft-spoken people, which helps to mitigate
the standard image of a hardcore gun owner. Even anti-gun
students sometimes tell us they have "something new to think
about" with regards to personal gun ownership.
(6) Sharing our experience with others is a lot of fun.
Our course is the standard NRA-certified "Home Firearm Safety"
class, and our students pay only $5 for materials. We also
teach the NRA's "Personal Protection" class, although the cost
is higher for that one since we have to purchase range time.
I think firearms safety classes are an excellent response to
gun buy-backs.
-- Alane --
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/ especially not my employer | -- President John F Kennedy \
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <C5wMu9.MqJ@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes:
strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
[...]
>The Attorney General publishes the number of court-ordered taps each year.
[...]
I believe you are mistaken. I don't believe the AG publishes the
number of state wiretaps.
- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
= kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Hmmm.... now if we could have *3* keys kept in escrow, with one of the
groups keeping a key being the government, then the states would need
federal permission to run a wiretap.... interesting possibility:-)
Neil
| 11sci.crypt |
In article:
Is there such a thing as the new '94 Eagle Talon? I heard from a freind that
the new '94 Talons have been released? Is this true and if so what are the
differences between the '93 and '94? Any opinions? I would appreciate any
replies and I would also prefer E-mail, thanks!
--
Hasit S. Mehta ****************************
University of Rochester * PRIMUS SUCKS! *
hm002b@UHURA.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU ****************************
______"I do believe in Captain Crunch, for I am the frizzle fry"______
| 7rec.autos |
I have a Diamond Speedstar 24X board that I want to program
for 24 bit 640x480 graphics, or possibly 800x600 16 bit color.
Does anybody have any libraries supporting these modes on this
board? Even somes simple routines to set the graphics mode and
plot individual pixels would be a great help. I plan to use the
routines with djgp.
Thanks in advance. Please respond also via e-mail.
David Max
max@slinky.cs.nyu.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
Does anyone know if the Twins games are broadcast in
good ole Ames Iowa??????????????
Thanks all.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #014
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
+----------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| I asked, "What's going on?" He says, "What's the matter, |
| can't you see, they've overturned a car and they're |
| killing Armenians!" |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------+
DEPOSITION OF ZAVEN ARMENAKOVICH BADASIAN
Born 1942
Employed
Sumgait Bulk Yarn Plant
Resident at Building 34, Apartment 33
Microdistrict No. 12
Sumgait [Azerbaijan]
On February 27 my wife and I went to Baku to go shopping and returned to
Sumgait at around five in the evening. We ran into one of my relatives at the
bus station and got to talking. A lot of people had gathered not far away,
near the store. Well at first we didn't know what was happening, and then a
fellow I know comes up to me, an Azerbaijani guy, and says, "What are you
standing here for? Go home immediately!" I asked, "What's going on?" He says,
"What's the matter, can't you see, they've overturned a car and they're
killing Armenians!" He helped me catch a cab and we got home safely.
We sat at home for two days. During that time a gang of bandits came into our
courtyard. But the neighbors wouldn't let them in the building. There were
about 80 of them. They had sticks and pieces of armatures in their hands. They
were shouting something, but you couldn't understand it. It wasn't one voice
or two, all of them were shouting in a chorus. They turned toward Building 35.
They went up to the third _floor, and we see that they're breaking glass and
throwing things out the window. After a while they come out the entryway: one
has a pair of jeans in his hands, another has a tape recorder, and a third a
guitar. They went on toward the auto parts store.
We had to save ourselves. After midnight on March 1 we went to hide at School
No. 33, which is in Microdistrict 13. There were two other Armenian families
there with us. There were 13 of us altogether. Out of all of them I had only
known Ernest before, he had moved to Sumgait from Kirovabad. The Azerbaijani
guard at the school let us in. At first he didn't want to, but there was
nowhere else for us to go. We had to plead with him and talk him into it. We
were told that on that day, the 1st, there would be an attack on our
microdistrict.
We went upstairs to a classroom on the second floor.
On the city radio station they announced three telephone numbers that could be
used to summon assistance or communicate anything important. I called one of
them and the First Secretary of the Sumgait City Party Committee answered. I
asked him for assistance. I say, "We're in School No. 33, we need to be
evacuated." Well he says, "Got it, wait there, I'm sending out help now."
I know his voice. The First Secretary had been to our plant, I had spoken with
him personally. When I called he said, "Muslimzade here."
About two hours after the call we heard shouts near the school. We looked out
the window and about 100 to 120 people were outside saying, "Armenians, come
out, we're here to get you." They have clubs, axes, and armature shafts in
their hands. The guard sat there with us, and asked, "Where should I go?" I
say, "If your life is of any value to you you'll go down there and say that
the Armenians were here and that they left." That's what he did. He went down
there and said, "The Armenians were here," he said, "I let them out the back
door, they went that way." And pointed with his hand. And with shouts and
noise the mob set off in the direction he had pointed.
So the assistance we had been promised did come. They sent us help, all right!
Instead of sending real soldiers he had sent his own. I am positive that
Muslimzade did that. No one had seen us entering the school, no one knew that
we were there. In any case, we stayed at the school until seven in the
morning, and no soldiers of any sort came to our aid.
In the morning we went to my relative's in Microdistrict 1, and the soldiers
took us to the SK club from there. The club was jammed with people, and there
were lots of people ahead of us--there was no space available. One small boy,
about three months old, died right in my arms. There wasn't a single doctor,
nothing. The boy was uninjured, there were no wounds or bruises on him. He was
just very ill. They gave him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, they did everything
they could under the circumstances, but were unable to save him. And his
mother and father, a young Armenian couple, were right there, on the floor ...
I searched for a spot for us in the SK, we have a small child of our own, I
wanted to find a room or something to put my family in. I went up to the third
floor, there were a lot of soldiers up there, bandaged, with canes, limping,
with their heads broken open. They were a terrible sight. Young guys, all of
them.
There were a lot of bandaged Armenians, too. Everyone had been beaten,
everyone was crying, wailing, and calling for help. I think that the City
Party Committee ignored us completely. True, there was a snack bar: a sausage
was 30 kopeks or 40 kopeks, a package of cookies that cost 26 kopeks was being
sold for 50, a bottled soft drink cost a ruble . . . But there was no way to
get the things any cheaper.
I met my old uncle, Aram Mikhailovich, there. He saw me and tears welled up in
his eyes. My whole life he had told me that we were friendly peoples, that we
worked together, he always had Azerbaijanis over at his house. And now he saw
me and there was nothing he could say, he just cried. You can understand his
feelings, of course.
April 8, 1988
Yerevan
- - - reference - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 185-186
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Can anybody help me?
I am having a problem displaying images greater than 32768 bytes on a Sparc
IPC running Openwindows 3.0 and dni. My program runs on a Vax and displays
images on the IPC with no problems if I use Openwindows 2.0. The program uses
the following lines to display the image - it is the XPutImage() routine
that crashes.
XImage *ximage;
ximage = XCreateImage(myDisplay, DefaultVisual(myDisplay, myScreen),
ddepth, ZPixmap, 0, image,
xwid, ywid, 8, 0);
XPutImage(myDisplay, myWindow, myGC, ximage, 0, 0,
xpos, ypos, xwid, ywid);
The error I get is:-
XIO: fatal IO error 65535 on X server "galaxy::0.0"
after 30 requests (18 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
%XLIB-F-IOERROR, xlib io error
-SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
module name routine name line rel PC abs PC
000773B9 000773B9
00077BBE 00077BBE
0007259D 0007259D
00072741 00072741
00072840 00072840
00072A27 00072A27
MYXSUBS my_imtoiks 3184 00000093 000010AF
TEST main 293 000000E5 00000EE5
I have a simple test program if anyone would like to test it !!
Thanks Paul.
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| Paul Jaques |
| Systems Engineer, Camborne School of Mines, |
| Rosemanowes, Herniss, Penryn, Cornwall. |
| E-Mail: pjaques@csm.ac.uk Tel: Stithians (0209) 860141 Fax: (0209) 861013 |
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| 5comp.windows.x |
Can anybody send me Pinouts of Real Time Clock IC of OKI Semiconductors,
58321. I wish to know if any RTC IC of OKI has an inbuilt crystal rather
than an external 32.768KHz crystal.
Thanks in advance.
Nilesh Parikh
nilesh@shakti.ncst.ernet.in
| 12sci.electronics |
steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
|> Let me try to drag this discussion back to the original issues. As
|> I've noted before, I'm not necessarily disputing the benefits of
|> eliminating anti-competitive legislation with regard to auto dealers,
|> barbers, etc. One need not, however, swallow the entire libertarian
|> agenda to accomplish this end. Just because one grants the benefits of
|> allowing anyone who wishes to cut hair to sell his/her services without
|> regulation does not mean that the same unregulated barbers should be
|> free to bleed people as a medical service without government intervention.
|> (As some/many libertarians would argue.)
|>
|> On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation
|> is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call
|> for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any
|> kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of
|> difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic,
|> to say the least.
|>
|> I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education,
|> national defense or local police that suggests a "free market" can provide
|> a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives
|> than is provided through "statist" approaches. With some notable
|> exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile
|> analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians.
Excellently put!
Even as a libertarian, I have to admit government does do some things I
like. There is a beautiful performing arts complex in Ft. Lauderdale
that was partially built with tax dollars (I don't know how much was
private and how much was stolen, I mean public) but it is beautiful and
I enjoy it. (Keep in mind, though, most of the people in the city will
never attend a single performance there, so they might feel differently
about having to help pay for it.)
However, I have to disagree about it being desireable or efficient to
give government intervention-power on a case-by-case basis. In fact,
we have a lot better luck maintaining our freedom of speech precisely
because it is not decided on a case-by-case basis as much as other
issues. Judges decide whether political speech is allowed on the
sidewalk in front of the post office. They do not try to decide just
whether pro-nazi, pro-choice, pro-life, or pro-tax political speech
should be allowed on the sidewalk in front of the post office. You can
imagine the result if right to free speech was decided by the majority
on a case-by-case basis.
Not so with economic issues. Government does tell taxi-drivers exactly
what they can charge, but not the bus lines or the lawyers.
Just as it is not desireable to decide rights of free speech on a
case-by-case basis, we should not decide rights to free enterprise on a
case-by-case basis.
There is hope that a government can be restricted from interferring with
free enterprise. But there is no hope, in my opinion, of having a
government that interferes with free enterprise in an "efficient"
manner; I call it political market failure.
Thus, if you value freedom and the abundance it produces, you have to
swallow the "whole libertarian agenda."
Roger Collins
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr26.203425.4824@Virginia.EDU> rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....") writes:
(1)
You know ed,... You're right! Andi shouldn't be comparing
Israel to the Nazis. The Israelis are much worse than the
Nazis ever were anyway. The Nazis did a lot of good for
Germany, and they would have succeeded if it weren't for the
damn Jews. The Holocaust never happened anyway. Ample
evidence given by George Schafer at Harvard, Dept. of History,
and even by Randolph Higgins at NYU, have shown that the
Holocaust was just a semitic conspiracy created to obtain
sympathy to piush for the creation of Israel.
(2)
Just kidding.
Be careful rj3s. When people start finding humour in the Holocaust
they often run the danger of exposing themselves for the hateful
refuse that they really are.
Harry.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1r1ml5$b27@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>>We will see what will happen to the "survivors". Don't forget however
>>that the members of the cult are responsible for the deaths of 4 ATF
>>agents. Do you really expect Koresh (dead or alive) to take sole
>>responsibility for this? I can just see it now, survivior at trial
>>"I was just following orders". Where have we heard that before???
>The point of my article was that it
>is inappropriate to compare Massada and the fate of the Jewish rebels
>to Waco.
>Once again, my point was quite simple--any comparison between the
>situation of the Branch Davidians and the Jews of Massada is absurd.
Fine, I never took issue with this, only your assertion that only Koresh
would be held responsible for the events in Waco.
--
Two wrongs don't make a right,
but three rights make a left.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:
>
>In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device
>to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets
>must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...)
>
Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem?
I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the
modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work
just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice.
Absolutely. I just meant that no secure *dedicated* crypto device has
ever been given approval. Guerrilla underground devices should be well
possible with today's high-speed modems (not that I can think of many v32bis
modems that are approved either mind you - just the overpriced Couriers)
Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run
digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets
say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate
be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be?
G
| 11sci.crypt |
cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:
>>cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># #Can you provide some evidence that the slave states regarded slaves as
># #not humans? They were "outside our society" and similar phrases that
># #basically meant that they didn't have to recognized as having the same
># #rights as a free person, but they were never considered "not human" to
># #my knowledge.
># Isn't the fact that slaves were "purchased" as opposed to
># "hired" enough evidence that they were not thought as humans?
># Didn't the Bill of Rights provide basic freedoms to humans
># that were not available to slaves?
>Not necessarily. Distinctions were made between "citizens" and
>"persons" throughout the U.S. and various state constitutions.
>For example, free blacks had some rights of citizens, but not all
>the rights of citizens. I'm curious if there was an additional
>level of distinction made by the slave states to rationalize their
>treatment of slaves, or if they just ignored the theoretical
>problems of slave ownership.
The Bill of Rights, as far as I can see, does not once refer to "citizens",
but it makes several references to "people". For example, Article IV:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated"; Article V: "no person shall be held to answer for a capital,
or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment by
a Grand Jury ... nor shall any person ... be deprived of life, liberty,
or property, without due process of law"; Article VIII: "excessive bail
shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual
punishments inflicted".
Now I've never heard that Constitutional rights apply only to citizens;
aren't they meant to apply equally to all *persons* living in the U.S.?
Whether slaves were considered "not human" I don't know, but it seems
that a case could be made that they weren't treated as "people" as defined
in the Bill of Rights. And since the nation is nominally based on the
Declaration of Independence which states that "all Men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness",
it would also seem that slaves would not follow under this definition
of humanity.
-----
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erics@netcom.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Hi
I am looking for Image Analysis software running in DOS or Windows. I'd like
to be able to analyze TIFF or similar files to generate histograms of
patterns, etc.
Any help would be appreciated!
__________________________________________________________________________
_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ Fourie Joubert
_/ _/ Department of Biochemistry
_/ _/ University of Pretoria
_/_/_/_/ _/ bio1@navi.up.ac.za
_/ _/
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__________________________________________________________________________
| 1comp.graphics |
Cambridge Audio Integrated Amp P70 - 60W stereo solid
state, w/box List $600 want $340
Cambridge Audio Tuner T50 - 8 presets list $350 want $200
Cambridge Audio PreAmp C70 - list $500 want $290
Klipschorns - The Klipschorns Speakers...legends in there
own time list ~$3k want $950...very big, corner
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power.
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| 6misc.forsale |
wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Bill Hovingh, LPTS Student) writes:
>scott@prism.gatech.edu (Scott Holt) writes:
>> "Hate the sin but love the sinner"...I've heard that quite a bit recently,
>> often in the context of discussions about Christianity and homosexuality...
>> but the context really isn't that important. My question is whether that
>> statement is consistent with Christianity. I would think not.
>I'm very grateful for scott's reflections on this oft-quoted phrase. Could
>someone please remind me of the Scriptural source for it? (Rom. 12.9 doesn't
>count, kids.) The manner in which this little piece of conventional wisdom is
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>applied has, in my experience, been uniformly hateful and destructive.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>billh
[underlining mine/Quean Lutibelle]
Yes, those who apply it hatefully would be better served if they if
they could alter the Bible to reflect their views:
Scene 1: A well in Samaria:
Woman: But I have no husband.
Jesus: Yo! Everybody! Listen up! Get your rocks ready! We'll have
some good biblical fun. Here she is whispering to me that
she doesn't have a husband, yet I know by my secret powers that
she has had five of them! (You know how these Samaritans are!
And worse, she's living with a guy now that she's not even married
to. Now I believe in loving her, and if you'll just raise up
those rocks like the bible allows and threaten her with a good
stoning, she'll understand how much we hate the sin but love
the sinner. We must keep our priorities strait, lest folks
2,000 years from now misunderstand me and believe I canceled
all sin!
Scene 2: Golgatha
2nd Thief: You got a raw deal, man. They didn't catch you doing anything
wrong like they caught me.
Bleeding Jesus: Now, son. Let me be real clear. You say you did something
wrong, but are you repenting? I need to be absolutely certain
cause if you repent, I have a nice room for you in heaven,
but if you think you might go thieving again, I have to
cancel your reservation. It is nice of you to have pity on
me while I'm hanging here, but you must understand, this is
all an act; I'm not really hurting. I'm God, you see. And
the point of all this is to teach you to be perfect like me.
If you think a simple kind remark to me in suffering is going
to get you any favors, you'd better think twice! But if you
will just REPENT, you will become a Fundelical in Good
Standing.
From all such Bad News, you have delivered us, Good God! Thank you!
Thank you! Thank you!
Quean Lutibelle/Louie
--
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lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu 201-485-4503
If by snail, I prefer: P. O. Box 30, Newark, NJ 07101
| 15soc.religion.christian |
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Sell $120 (S&H extra)
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1r23on$4p6@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU ("The Logistician") writes:
|>
|> I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now only
|> of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>
|> Thanx.
|>
|> --
|> ------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!----------------------
|> | |
|> | GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! |
|> -------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu-------------------------------
Pierre Turgeon of the Islanders
Mike
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
> |> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> |> >
> |> Deletions...
> |> Er, Jon, what Ken said was:
> |>
> |> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately,
> |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |> most Jews did not survive.
> |>
> |> That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi.
>
> Hitler and the Nazis didn't spring fully formed from the forehead
> of Athena. They didn't invent anti-semitism. They built on a
> foundation of anti-semitism that was already present in Germany.
> This foundation of anti-semitism was laid down, not by the Nazis,
> but by the people I listed, and also by hundreds of years of unthinking,
> knee-jerk bigotry, on the part of perfectly ordinary people, and, of
> course, their pastors and priests.
>
> What we have to worry about today is not whether some Hollywood
> Hitler in a black uniform is going to come striding onto the German
> stage in one unprepared step, but whether those same bedrock foundations
> of anti-semitism are being laid down, little by little, in Germany,
> as we speak.
>
> And if so, they will be laid down, not by Hitlers and Himmlers, who
> will come later, but by "people like" the poster in question. The
> people who think that casual anti-semitism is acceptable, or even fun.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
Deletions...
> I did. Now may I suggest, with the greatest possible respect, that
> you go read some history?
>
> jon.
So, you consider the german poster's remark anti-semitic? Perhaps you
imply that anyone in Germany who doesn't agree with israely policy in a
nazi? Pray tell, how does it even qualify as "casual anti-semitism"?
If the term doesn't apply, why then bring it up?
Your own bigotry is shining through.
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solely and do not represent my employer in any way.
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| 0alt.atheism |
rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:
>[...] But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the
>back and you could have problems. The shuttle just isn't designed to land
>with that much weight in the payload.
Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ???
bd
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| 14sci.space |
In article <mjones.735411536@fenway> mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:
>
>It would help if his OBP were higher than his batting average. Yes, the
>April 12 USA Today lists Le Grand Chapeau as having a .422 batting average
>and a .413 OBP.
Okay, I'll bite. How can OBP be *lower* than batting average?
Sac flies or something?
Ken Kubey kubey@wpd.sgi.com (415) 390-3536
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes:
> Since the_day_upon_which_most_Christians_celebrate_the_resurrection_of_Jesus
> is approaching, I thought I would comment on this:
>
> In article <Mar.29.03.23.31.1993.19711@athos.rutgers.edu> dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes:
> >
> What is the objection to celebration of Easter? It is celebration of the
> resurrection of Jesus. I don't recall a command in Scripture for us to
> celebrate the resurrection, but it is the sole and only reason that we
> are Christians--how could we not celebrate it? If it is only the name
Not quite correct. Biblical teaching expects us to celebrate the
resurrection of Christ not once a year but every time someone is baptized.
Col. 2:12-Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him
through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the
dead." Rom. 6:4-Therefore we are buried with him in baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the
Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
Those really want to celebrate the resurrection should by faith walk in
newness of life after baptism. It is not necessary to celebrate a pagan
goddess in the process.
> > So, as we see from Scripture, those who are of Israel will observe
> >the 7th Day *FOREVER*. The Gentiles who believe in the Messiah of Israel
> >are welcome to observe the 7th Day as well, but it is not required of them
> >since the are adopted into the Commonwealth of Israel. The Gentiles who
> >are grafted into the Commonwealth of Israel are only required to observe
> >the basic commands given to those who came before Abram (see also Acts
> >15). No further requirements are placed upon them once they come to faith
> >in Messiah.
> >
> So from this I infer that there are different rules for Christians of Jewish
> descent? What happened to "there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free,
> male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus"? Jewish Christians/Messianics
> may find certain forms of worship and certain disciplines meaningful because
> of their cultural background, but I have a hard time understanding the
> justification for applying rules or commandments to those who have been
> justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
>
Paul answered your question in Romans 9. In v. 4 he stated that the
adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of
God, and the promises were given to the Israelites. It is a package deal.
He goes on to identify those who are true Israelites. Vs 6-8 makes it
plain that the true Israelites are not those who are born that way but
those who accept the promise of God. Paul continued to emphasize that he
was an Israelite in 2 Cor. 11:22, then in Gal 3:29 he says that all those
who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed, and heirs to all the promises
given to the Israelites. The promises come with the law. It is all or
nothing. Why is it that you only want to discard one part of the law?
Certainly you would want your husband to be faithful to you. Or do you
believe that adultery is no longer forbidden? Same law.
BTW please give a reference for your statement that the Gentiles are only
required to observe the basis commandmants. Could you list those
please. Acts 15 deals with circumcision and the law of Moses which was
added because of transgression of God's eternal law (Gal 3:19; Rom 4:15)
++++++++++++
Darius A. Lecointe | I got my BA when I was Born Again
Department of Educational Research | And my MA when I was Made Anew
Florida State University | Now I'm getting my PhD as I become
Tel: (904) 644-0706 | A Patient, Humble, Disciple.
E-mail: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
| 15soc.religion.christian |
A related question (which I haven't given that much serious thought
to): at what lattitude is the average length of the day (averaged
over the whole year) maximized? Is this function a constant=
12 hours? Is it truly symmetric about the equator? Or is
there some discrepancy due to the fact that the orbit is elliptic
(or maybe the difference is enough to change the temperature and
make the seasons in the southern hemisphere more bitter, but
is far too small to make a sizeable difference in daylight
hours)?
I want to know where to move.
-Nick Firoozye
nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de
| 14sci.space |
In article <1r9oa9$42g@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <1qvtk4$jep@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>#In article <1qu2c9$4o4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>#>Ordinarily, it is also a *value* judgement, though it needn't be (one
>#>could "do science" without believing it was worth a damn in any context,
>#>though that hardly seems sensible).
>#No, you're just overloading the word "value" again. It is an
>#estimation of probability of correctness, not an estimation of "worth."
>#Shit, I don't even know what "worth" means. Consider the possibility
>#that I am not interested in knowing truth. I could still believe
>#that science was the most likely way to get truth, and not value
>#science at all.
>But once you make a decision on the value of truth, and the likelihood of
>science getting it, the rest follows.
SO?
What's your point?
>In your example, science is necessarily
>worthless,
MAYBE TO ME! (In this example, and as I argue below, that's not even
true.)
>and so are its results,
Not necessarily.
>because truth is worthless, assuming that's
>all science is good for.
But science is also good for technology, which may or may not
have anything to do with truth. I may value technology and
not truth, after all.
>And it's no accident that phrases such as "good
>for" fit so naturally in this context.
Spare me. This is nonsense, Frank. Pregnancy is sometimes referred
to as having a "bun in the oven." Does this mean that the uterus
is at 450 F? Argument by idiom is weak indeed, and it's what
you're engaging in here.
>#Just because evaluating an arithmetic expression
>#and asking how much you value life both involve the word "value" doesn't
>#mean that they refer to the same thing at all. I understand that
>#the word value is used for both, but you have to be clear in what
>#sense you are using the words. I agree with judging science as a
>#value in the first sense, but not the second.
>But I don't use it in the second sense. Consider that F=ma is no
>different than F=$3 until I note the connection with reality that F=ma has, and
>F=$3 does not.
Of course it's different. $3!=ma. What is at issue is accuracy,
not difference.
>I'm making a decision as to the importance of F=ma
>over other expressions I can compute.
This is the result of a chain of deduction about the value
of understanding the universe. One can make the observation
that IF one wanted to understand the universe, F=ma would be
valuable without believing F=ma to be valuable, Frank.
>I'm valuing it, whether implicitly or
>directly, because I'm saying that things that have a basis in reality
>are different to other things which do not.
Things which have a basis in reality are different from things
which have a basis in reality. Quantum mechanics is very different
from biochemistry, yet they both (allegedly) have basises in reality.
Look, Frank, noone said that people didn't do science because they
value it(in the sense of think it is good), but that is not necessary
to make the observation that it's results have value (in the sense
that they are accurate.) Allow me to give you an example: I think
that knowing the byte order on IBM 3090s is pretty much worthless
(I don't care to know it) but I would be quite prepared to
note as valuable (i.e. accurate) the claim that it was Big-endian
if it was shown to be so (like, by showing me the manual.)
> And _no-one_ points
>out an _unimportant_ difference, _except_ to say that it's unimportant.
>"Important", "useful", "worthy", etc. are all words with evaluative
>power, quite different from evaluating an expression. I'm careful
>to use "value" in the sense I mean, which is invariably the first.
No, it's fleeking not. Scientific judgement is SOLELY the sense
of evaluating an expression (accuracy). It has nothing to do with
importance, worthiness, or usefulness. Choice of problems DOES
have to do with those factors, but they are orthogonal to
evaluating (for accuracy) solutions to chosen problems.
>#>The concept of a DES box which can be assumed to work as you describe in
>#>the absence of an assumption of objective reality is incoherent. Such a box
>#>may as well be assumed to wear a dufflecoat and go to the Limerick Races.
>#Truth by blatant assertion again, Frank. It's observationally the
>#case that when you measure it, it works. It can be reasonably well
>#assumed that it will work even when you are not measuring it, barring
>#quantum silliness about how it might have disappeared and reappeared.
>#It doesn't take a notion of objective reality to discuss my observations.
>Yes it does. You're saying in effect "it works independently of what I
>believe", and basing that statement on your "reasonable assumption" (i.e.
>unsupported belief) that it works indepently of what you believe.
No, I was saying that it works independently of whether I measure
it, which is something quite different.
> It
>begs the question rather obviously.
It would if they were the same thing, which they are not.
> And of course, "reasonable
>assumption" seems to be weasel words for "seems useful", "useful"
>belonging to world of ghosts and values, and therefore being unreal.
Frank, you are attempting to inject "goodness" judgements where there
are only "accuracy" judgements, by essentially punning on the word
'value' which has both meanings. "useful" is a goodness judgement.
"Reasonable" is an accuracy judgement. They are not the same
thing at all. ("Useful in making some conclusion" is an accuracy
judgement again, I'm afraid.) Sorry, Frank, but all you're doing is
using the ambiguity of English to obfuscate the issue. IF you
mean to say that science is based on value (accuracy) judgements,
I have no problem with that. If you mean to say that it's based
on value (goodness) judgements, that's nonsense. By contrast,
morality is clearly based on goodness judgements.
-Ekr
--
Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Eve'.
I am looking to buy 4 new p195-50r15 tires.. (R or HR). I don't
have much to spend, but I would like a tire that will LAST. Does
anyone have any experience with the following brands?
Riken
Falken
BFG
General
There are others, but these I can find here for under $70.. Like
I said, I am mostly interested in threadwear then speed, since I
hardly get to drive them over 80 or 90 mph. Also, is it true that
"noone will give you warranty on such tires", according to
a tire dealer?
Finally, do HR tires last longer than R tires (threadwear again),
or is that strictly a speed factor?
Thanks for any replies..
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| 7rec.autos |
I must say that I have been a customer of Midwest Micro for over 4
years now, and have been well taken care of on each purchase.
I have had many friends that have bought that same modem and (THEY)
do have some experience with setting up modems, so there have been
no problems in 6 of them that I know of. The fact that your time
to valuable for you to spend on the modem is where you went wrong.
WHY you say because I must tell you of the 12 yes I say 12 PPI modems
that I have had in the past that I was trying to use on my bbs. They
all were junk and were replace 3 times each, to ther point that
I just said forget it and I wanted my money back. PPI's teck even
said that they didn't even repair them. That they just strip the
parts that are good and junk thr rest of the modem.
I think it was more your fault than Midwest Mirco's faulkt...Sam
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Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes:
> April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world
>are getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members
Celebrating in joy the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim
people by your criminal grandparents between 1914 and 1920? Did you
think that you could cover up the genocide perpetrated by your fascist
grandparents against my grandparents in 1914? You've never heard of
'April 23rd'?
"In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats
in this alien land."
(Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity")
During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920,
the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic
genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of
annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering
2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year
homeland.
The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance
of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government
and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark
Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford
Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian,
Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General
Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche,
Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis
Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa,
Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel
Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many
others.
J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.
Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
Princeton University.
Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.
Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.
Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
Los Angeles.
Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
Institute, University of Pennsylvania.
Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
University of Illinois.
Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.
Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
Science, City University Graduate School, New York.
John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History,
University of Chicago.
John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
California at Berkeley.
Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.
Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.
Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
at Los Angeles.
Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.
Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.
Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.
Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.
Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.
Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).
Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.
Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.
James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.
.......so the list goes on and on and on.....
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Hi!
In article <C5svup.I4I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes:
>After I have produced a schematic with PADS-LOGIC, how do I import it into
>PADS-PCB to create a PCB pattern? The only way I've gotten it to work is
>to output a FutureNet netlist, and then import this into PADS-PCB. Is there
>another way of doing this? I didn't see any information in the instructions
>provided, but I might have missed something. Any suggestions would be
>greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Sorry, it's german, but I hope you understand it.
Uebertragung der Schaltplan-Daten (*.SCH) in die Board-Daten
(*.JOB):
PADS-LOGIC:
In/Out
Reports
Net List
Select PADS-PCB
Net List Output file name
-> filename angeben
PADS-PCB:
In/Out
Ascii In
Ascii input file name
-> filename angeben
Errors aoutput file name
-> filename angeben, nicht CR
Jetzt sind alle Bauteile auf einem Haufen und muessen mit Move
verteilt werden.
Viele Gruesse
Uli
| 12sci.electronics |
Two-part question:
1) What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS?
2) This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product
from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall. Anyone know what this is?
That is it -
Thanks a heap.
- Alan
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In article <1rbh3n$hav@kyle.eitech.com>
ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <1993Apr24.002509.4017@midway.uchicago.edu>
>eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>A "moment of silence" doesn't mean much unless *everyone*
>>participates. Otherwise it's not silent, now is it?
>>Non-religious reasons for having a "moment of silence" for a dead
>>classmate: (1) to comfort the friends by showing respect to the
>>deceased , (2) to give the classmates a moment to grieve together, (3)
>>to give the friends a moment to remember their classmate *in the
>>context of the school*, (4) to deal with the fact that the classmate
>>is gone so that it's not disruptive later.
>Yeah, all well and good. The fact is, though, that the pro-school
>prayer types have tried to use a moment of silence as a way
>to get prayer back. At my high school for instance, our dear
>principal ended the moment of silence with "Amen."
I can certainly see opposing the "Amen" -- but that doesn't require
opposing a moment of silence.
>I'll back off when they do.
Does anybody else besides me see a vicious circle here? I guarantee
you the people who want school prayer aren't going to back off when
they can't even manage to get a quiet moment for their kids to pray
silently.
--
Pro-Choice Anti-Roe - E. Elizabeth Bartley
Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
dple@lungta.infores.com (david levine) writes:
>Hey folks,
>I'm attempting to use imake to manage makefiles for a development effort and was curious
>to find out if anybody else is experiencing problems with any target that
>has subdirs generated by imake on Solaris 2 platforms.
>For example, 'make makefiles' chokes in the very first subdirectory.
> i.e. target: subdirMakefiles not found
You don't give the precise error message, but I assume that
the making of the target fails, because make can't find the rules.
We've seen this happen with SunOS 5.x make as well and aat this
point I'm not sure why it happens. It seems to happen
with large Makefiles. The entries near the end get lost.
Small changes in the makefile will remedy this problem,
as it does in your example.
In the MIT R5 distribution + R5.SunOS5.patch this can happen with
the target ``Makefiles'' in one of the doc directories.
>At first I thought this was a bug with make on my Sun, but I built and used gnumake with the
>same results. Attached you'll find the first Makefiles target rule from the generated makefile
This is really weird. Are your *really* sure that you were using GNU make?
Casper
| 5comp.windows.x |
> But, haven't "all sinned, and come short of the glory
> of God" (Romans 3:23)?
> Those that cite this scripture to claim that even
> babes require baptism neglect that "sin is not imputed
> when there is no law" (Romans 5:13).
>
> Therefore, until someone is capable of comprehending
> God's laws they are not accountable for living them.
> They are in the book of life and are not removed until
> they can make a conscious decision to disobey God.
>
> A IDLER
If babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible
ever say so. It never comes right and says "Only people that know
right from wrong or who are taught can be baptised."
What Christ did say was :
"I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without
being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I
tell you you must ALL be begotten from above."
Could this be because everyone is born with original sin?
Mike
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I have finally decided to update my SE :-)).
I am planning on buying a Centris 610-8/230 CD.
Now, what monitor should I get? Here are a few
guidelines:
My wife uses PageMaker occasionally, I use Excel sometimes
and I do alot of Telecommuting from home to work. We both
do Word processing. Greater than 14 inches.
I have looked at the Radius Color Pivot. This can be bought for
under $1000. I have heard good things about the E-Machines T-16,
the older model not the new T-16 II. How about the Super Mac 17T?
These both can be had for a little over $1000. Any others??
Garry
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <15430@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
># What was the purpose of this post? If it was to show a mindless obsession
># with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent
># hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache.
>#
># (a) Get a clue. (b) Get a life. (c) Get out of my face. I'm not in yours.
>#
># ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA!
>
>Yes you are. When you and the rest of the homosexual community
>pass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to
>hire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against
>my will, yes, you are in my face. Until homosexuals stop trying
>to impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this.
But aren't you imposing your moral standards against gay people because
you do not want to rent to, or hire, or as you put associate with, (
and I do not know of a law that requires you to associate with gay
people)? It works both ways.
All people want to have an equal opportunity for all things that
lie in the public domain. It will be a gigantic step forward when
people take other people based upon ability and talent, rather
than skin color, eye color, height, weight, sexual orientation
(and I use this last one as meaning gay, bi, straight, let's not
go off on the tangent about pedophiles, rapist, etc.)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <pgf.735012282@srl03.cacs.usl.edu>, pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes:
|> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes:
|>
|> >The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These
|> >are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a
|> >three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the
|> >earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to
|> >allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow
|> >down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without
|> >expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible". The
|> >originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan
|> >was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for
|> >deceleration.
|>
|>
|> I should probably re-post this with another title, so that
|> the guys on the other thread would see that this is a practical
|> use of "temporary orbits..."
|>
|> Another possible temporary orbit:
|>
|> --
|> Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.
|> pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
|>
|>
If you are really interested in these orbits and how they are obtained
you should try and find the following paper:
Hiroshi Yamakawa, Jun'ichiro Kawaguchi, Nobuaki Ishii,
and Hiroki Matsuo, "A Numerical Study of Gravitational Capture
Orbit in the Earth-Moon System," AAS-92-186, AAS/AIAA Spaceflight
Mechanics Meeting, Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1992.
The references included in this paper are quite interesting also and
include several that are specific to the HITEN mission itself.
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| 14sci.space |
Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.mideast: 16-May-93 Re: Saudi
clergy condemns d.. Robertc. Moldenhauer@par (2149)
The whole "saddam is going to invade Saudi Arabia" was nothing but US State
Department propeganda. Saddam (and Iraq in general) never recognised the
British created Kuwait.
This is complete garbage. It is Kuwait FAQ number 1 (maintained, but
not compiled, by me to rebut the leftist drivel frequently posted wrt
Kuwait):
------------------------------------------------------------
First is a note on the bogus arguments that the British
drew the maps to deprive Iraq of Oil. Then follows a
chronology of events in Kuwait's history. Following
the chronology is a speech by the Kuwaiti ambassador
to the U.N.. Following this is an article on the origins
of Kuwait. Following this is a series of articles
which attest to the fact that Kuwait was independent of both
(non-existent) Iraq and the Ottoman Empire.
---
The Iraqi regime claims that Kuwait was cut from Iraq by the British
in order to deprive Iraq of its oil. The 1913 and 1932 border treaties
between Kuwait and Iraq represent clear testimonies against such an
allegation since oil was discovered in Kuwait in 1938!
---
Kuwait: A Chronology
[BC 600] The Hellens settled in Al-Khazna Hill area on Failaka
Island.
[529] Al-Monzer Bin-Ma'a Al-Sama'a defeated Al-Hareth Al-Kindi in
the Kuwaiti area of Wara.
[300] The Greeks lived on Failaka Island for two centuries.
[73] A royal message was inscribed on the Ikarus stone which is
now on view in the National Museum of Kuwait.
[AD 623] The Arabs defeated the Persians at the battle of Zat
Al-Salassel in the Kazima area.
[1672] The approximate date of the establishment of Kuwait town
when Barrak was the Amir of the Beni Khaled tribe.
[1711] Approximately when the Al-Sabah family arrived in Kuwait.
[1752] The approximate date of the election of Sabah Bin Jaber
from the Al-Sabah family to be the first ruler of Kuwait.
[1760] The first wall, 750 meters long, was built around Kuwait
City.
[1762] Abdulla Bin Sabah, the second ruler of Kuwait, came to
power.
[1765] C. Niebuhr, the Danish traveler, visited Kuwait which he
referred to on his map as ``Grane.''
[1773] Kuwait was attacked by an epidemic and most of its
inhabitants died.
[1783] The Kuwaitis defeated the tribe of Bani K'ab in the sea
battle of Riqqa.
[1811] The second wall of Kuwait, 2300 meters long, was built.
[1871] The Al-Taba'ah accident, in which many Kuwaiti diving
ships were sunk, was caused by a massive tidal wave between India and
Muscat.
[1886] The first Kuwaiti currency was minted in copper during the
reign of Sheikh Abdulla Al-Sabah II.
[1899] Kuwait signs a treaty with Britain and becomes a protectorate.
(see note below)
[1911] December 22. Al-Mubarakiya School, the first formal
school in Kuwait, opened.
[1920] The third wall of Kuwait, 6400 meters long, was built.
[1921] Kuwait took the first step toward democracy, the formation
of a consultative council, but did not last for long.
[1922] The total number of Kuwaiti pearl diving boats reached
800, manned by over 10,000 sailors and divers.
[1922] The first public library in Kuwait was established.
[1926] The historian Abdul Aziz Al-Rasheed published the first
book on Kuwait.
[1928] Kuwait's first periodical, the ``Kuwaiti Magazine,'' was
published by Abdul Aziz Al-Rasheed.
[1930] Kuwait Municipality was established.
[1930] An Amiri Decree was issued prohibiting the wearing of the
Bisht because of soaring prices.
[1933] The Municipality installed lighting in the Kuwait market.
[1934] December 7. Heavy rainfall destroyed many Kuwaiti houses.
Therefore this year was called ``The destructive Year,'' ``Al-Sannah
Al-Hadamah.''
[1938] February. Oil was discovered in Burgan oilfield.
[1938] The first general elections, resulted in the first
Legislative Council.
[1942] The first bank in Kuwait was opened.
[1945] ``Kuwait House'' was established in Egypt to look after
Kuwaiti missions and interests.
[1946] The first Kuwaiti crude oil shipment was exported.
[1948] ``Kazima Magazine'' was issued, the first Kuwaiti magazine
to be both printed and published in Kuwait.
[1950] Sheikh Ahmed Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, who had ruled Kuwait for
thirty years, died.
[1951] May 12. Kuwait Radio went on the air for the first time.
[1952] The first ``Kuwait Masterplan'' was drawn up.
[1954] Khalid Al-Faraj, the man of letters and poet, died.
[1954] December, 11. ``Kuwait Al-Youm'' (Official Gazette) was
issued for the first time.
[1955] Oil was struck in Al-Rawdhatain, north of Kuwait.
[1957] Kuwait wall was demolished and removed.
[1957] The ``Social Affairs Department'' conducted the first
population census.
[1958] December 1. The first issue of ``Al-Arabi'' magazine was
published.
[1960] The first Kuwaiti woman was employed by Kuwait Oil
Company.
[1961] April 1. The Kuwaiti Dinar became the official currency
in Kuwait.
[1961] June 19. The agrrement of January 23, 1899, concluded
between Kuwait and Great Britain, was terminated.
[1961] July 20. Kuwait became a member of the Arab League.
[1961] December, 31. Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic Development
was established.
[1962] January 20. The elected constituent assembly met to draw
up the Constitution of Kuwait.
[1962] An Amiri Decree was issued providing for the division of
the country into three governorates.
[1962] November 11. The Amir of Kuwait, Sheikh Abdulla Al-Salem
Al-Sabah ratified the first Constitution of Kuwait.
[1963] January. The first elected National Assembly of Kuwait
convened.
[1963] May 17. Kuwait became a member of the United Nations
Organization.
[1963] August 7. The great Kuwaiti poet Saqr Al-Shebaib died.
[1965] November 24. The Amir of Kuwait, Sheikh Abdulla Al-Salem
Al-Sabah, passed away.
[1966] The Neutral Zone was partitioned between Kuwait and Saudi
Arabia.
[1966] November 27. Kuwait University was inaugurated.
[1968] May 13. Kuwait freed itself from all external obligations
when it canceled the agreement of June 19, 1961.
[1969] April 1. Central Bank of Kuwait was established.
[1969] October 18. The first communications satellite earth
station in Kuwait was inaugurated.
[1973] July 6. The Kuwaiti pioneer and reformer Sheikh Yousef Bin
Eisa Al-Qina'ai died.
[1975] March. The government acquired full ownership of Kuwait
Oil Company.
[1976] The Social Security Law, applicable to Kuwaiti nationals,
was issued.
[1976] The Future Generations Reserves Law was issued. It
stipulates the allocation of 10\% per annum of the State revenues for
future generations.
[1977] December 31. The Amir of Kuwait Sheikh Sabah Al-Salem
Al-Sabah died.
[1981] May 25. Kuwait signed the Articles of Association of the
Gulf Cooperation Council.
[1983] The Bubiyan Bridge, linking Bubiyan Island to the
mainland, was opened for traffic.
[1985] May 25. The Amir survived an attempt
on his life when a bomb-laden car rammed into his motorcade on Arabian
Gulf Street.
---From Kuwait, Facts and Figures, 1986.
Shedding Some Light
On September 29 1990, the National Council on US-Arab Relations
invited the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, Saud Nasser
Al-Sabah. The following are quotes of his speech:
``Kuwait itself was an entity identified as Kuwait even before
Iraq was identified as Iraq in the Ottoman Empire. Kuwait was in
existence since 1752. We continued to be in existence until the
conflict between the Ottoman Empire and the British and others in the
area. Thereafter, we signed with the British in 1899 a protective
agreement whereby the British guaranteed the sovereignty and security
of Kuwait.''
``In 1913, the British and the Ottoman signed an agreement defining
without any doubt the borders of Kuwait as they stand today. Such an
agreement was reconfirmed in 1932 between the Kuwaiti government
and the Iraqi government at that time. That is when Iraq became a state,
after Kuwait itself.''
``In 1961, when we declared our independence Iraq seized the
opportunity to claim Kuwait as part of Iraq. There were threats. The
British came in, and Arab forces came in to guarantee the sovereignty
and territorial integrity of Kuwait. In 1963, Kuwait and Iraq again
signed border agreement, thereby defining our territory and Iraq's
recognition to the sovereignty and territory of Kuwait.''
---Compiled by Firyal Alshalalbi
Origins of Kuwait
The establishment of Kuwait is attributed to Barrak b. Ghurair of the
Bani Khalid who used Kuwait as a summer residence. The beginning of
Kuwait goes back to the late 17th century and some historians go
further up to 1611. Kuwait's name is derived from al-Kut which means
fortress. Kuwait is also called Qurain, which is the diminutive of qarn, a
horn or hill. Kuwait town flourished and grew since its
establishment.
The 'Utub, al-Sabah family is a branch of 'Utub, settled in Kuwait
during the early 18th century. They lived under the protection
of Bani Khalid until 1752. After that, they became independent and
Sabah Bin Jabir was chosen as the first ruler for 'Utub.
Carsten Niebuhr (1733-1815) a Dutch explorer was among the first who
wrote about the Arabia. He was the mathematician in the scientific
expedition sent in 1760 by the King of Denmark to Arabia. He
documented details of Arab tribes inhabiting both coasts of the Gulf
and in the case of Kuwait, he was the first writer to give the two
names by which the town was known, Kuwait and Qurain. Niebuhr's chart
of the Persian Gulf was the best one drawn before the end of that
century, see the map from Abu Hakima, History of Eastern Arabia
1750-1800. pub.1965.
Al-Sabah ('Utub) kept good relations with other powers in the eastern
Arabia. According to Ahmed Abu Hakima's conclusions in his well
documented study about the history of eastern Arabia between 1750-1800,
there was no Ottoman rule on the region. ``In the second half of
the 18th century, there was no Ottoman ruler in Eastern Arabia.
In fact, Ottoman rule was not even nominally acknowledged. Their
attempts to restore their lost position in al-Hasa through the
campaign of Thuwayni in 1786, and Ali Pasha's expedition against the
Wahhabis in 1798, were unsuccessful. At Kuwait, the nearest point of
the Utbi domains to the Ottoman Mutasallimiyya of Basra, the Shaikh
was under no form of Ottoman control. The aim of 'Utbi external policy
was to keep on friendly relations with all the forces working in the
Gulf.'' (p. 182-183) Abu Hakima continued in his conclusions that ``Kuwait
was not a dependency of Basra, the Persian occupation of Basra
(1775-79) did not affect Kuwait.'' (p.183)
Kuwait had its own identity through the Ottoman domination on the Arab
world. This identity was clear to the British and the French who
tried to win the support of Kuwait's Sheikh between 1793-95 when the
British wanted his support in their conflict with the French in the
Gulf area.
---
Independent Kuwait
This is the first of a series of articles that testify to the
independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the
Ottomans.
The following text is related to an expedition carried out by the
Ottomans in 1871 against the Wahhabis in Eastern Arabia (where the oil fields
in Saudi Arabia now). Kuwait and its ruler at that time, Sheikh
Abdulla Ibn Sabah Ibn Jabir, allied themselves with the Turks:}
Abdullah' role in the fighting was not a minor one. He joined the
expedition as a commander of the large Kuwaiti fleet and was the first
to use its guns against the besieged town of Al-Qatif. Had it not been
for this bombardment by the Kuwaiti fleet, Al-Qatif obviously would
not have surrendered in a mere three hours.
In relation to this, a question arises as to why the Ottoman warships
refrained from participating in the bombardment. The answer lies in
reports relating to the political movements that preceded accounts of
the progress of the expedition. Because the Ottomans were unwilling to
jeopardize the maritime peace imposed by Britain in the area, the
Sultan and the Pasha promised their warships would not be used in the
war against Su'ud or any Sheikh in the war zone. Kuwait, which was not
a party to the above-mentioned treaty of 1861, was under no such
obligation especially since the expedition was not directed against
those who had signed it.
[ From the above text, we can see that Kuwait was not part of the
Ottomans or the British colonies. For more details about the mentioned
expedition, please check out the source of the above text:
The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima, McGill
University, Canada ]
---
Independent Kuwait--2
This is another article of a series of articles that testify to the
independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the
Ottomans.
The following text discusses a dispute on an estate called Sufiyya in Zubair,
Iraq, between the Sheikh of Kuwait and Al-Zuhair tribe in Zubair.
In 1866, trouble developed over the possession by Sheikh Sabah of the
estate which was [purchased] by his father, Sheikh Jabir, in 1836. This
property was sequestered by a Turkish Qa'immaqam [representative] on
the basis of a claim by the Al-Zuhair that the vendor had been the
owner of a share and not of the n 100e Sufiyya. At the same time,
Sheikh Sabah was required to expel from other lands owned by him at
the island of Fao some cultivators who had immigrated from Persian
territory.
It should be recalled that the Turkish officials from the start
showed strong prejudice in favor of the Zuhair claimants. Abdulla Ibn
Sabah, the eldest son of the ruler of Kuwait who went to Basra as his
father's agent in the case, narrowly escaped being thrown into jail
upon his refusal to make a payment amounting to the value of seven
years produce which the Ottoman authorities deemed the plaintiffs were
entitled to receive.
Eventually, the dispute was settled by the Wali [Governor] of Baghdad
in favor of the Sheikh of Kuwait. The decision of the Governor of
Basra in favor of the Sheikh was apparently made for various reasons.
Some writers think that the Governor wanted to win Abdulla over to the
Turkish side, and suggest that the Governor, Namiq Pasha, even offered
him the title of Qa'immaqam, which he declined. Nevertheless, the
proceedings of the Turks in this case were regarded by the inhabitants
of Kuwait as attempts to cause a confrontation with Zubair. It seems
that they had anticipated a conflict and according to reports by the
British Agent at Basra, the people of Kuwait were prepared to a man to
abandon their town rather than submit to Turkish rule. Lorimer suggests
that the final order of Namiq Pasha, upholding the Kuwait Sheikh's
title to Sufiyya, was perhaps due to a report that Sheikh Sabah,
``with the object of attacking Zubair if the decision should go
against him, had obtained a promise of countenance and armed support
from the Wahhabi Amir.''
In addition to this legal matter with Zubair, Kuwait had had other
problems with Basra whose courts tried to jail Abdulla Ibn Sabah, as
explained above. However, Kuwait's relations with the Ottoman
mutasallims of Basra had at times been amicable and in several
instances, those mutasallims even sought refuge at Kuwait when
pressured by the Pashas of Baghdad who exercised control over them.
[ Source: The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima,
McGill University, Canada ]
---
Independent Kuwait--3
This is another article that testifies to the
independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the
Ottomans.
When Pelly [Colonel Pelly, the British Resident in the Gulf] visited Kuwait
for the first time on March 3, 1863, he was
met at Jahra by Sheikh Mubarak, the second son of the ruler, Sheikh
Sabah. Just before he reached Kuwait town on March 4, he was met by
Sheikh Abdulla, the eldest son and heir apparent, who accompanied him
to the town gate on their way to ``a very good home,'' which had been
prepared for Pelly and his companions. ``Scarcely had we entered it,''
says Pelly, ``when Sheikh Sabah himself came.''
This description of Pelly's reception indicates that to a certain
degree it was run according to protocol.
The government system of Kuwait and administration of justice were the
subject of comments made by Pelly. ``The Government is patriarchal,''
says Pelly, ``the Sheikh managing the political, and the Cazee [Qadi]
the judicial departments. The Sheikh himself would submit to the
Cazee's decision.'' Punishment was rarely inflicted. ``Indeed, there
seems little government interference anywhere, and little need of an
army.'' Pelly in admiration of how the Sheikh ran the affairs of the
country, retold the following remark which the Sheikh had made to him:
When my father was nearly 120 years old, he called me and said, ``I
shall soon die. I have made no fortune, and can leave you no money,
but I have made many and true friends, grapple them. While other
states around the Gulf have fallen off from injustice or
ill-government, mine has gone on [flourishing]. Hold to my policy, and
though you are surrounded by desert, and pressed by a once hostile
and still wandering set of tribes, you will prosper.''
[ Source: The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima,
McGill University, Canada ]
---
Independent Kuwait--4
This is another article that testifies to the
independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the
Ottomans.
The British had always regarded Sheikh Jabir as a ``good friend,'' but
in October 1839, an event took place at Kuwait which could have
weakened those good relations. On October 30, Lieutenant Edmunds, the
Assistant Resident at Abu Shahr [in Iran], arrived in Kuwait on a
special mission from the Resident, Captain Hennell. His mission was to
find out if Kuwait was willing to welcome the establishment of a
British line of post across the desert from Kuwait to the
Mediterranean. The British war vessel fired the usual salute in honor
of the Sheikh after it had anchored in the waters of Kuwait Bay. The
salute was not acknowledged and Edmunds waited in the vessel for three
days before he was able to communicate with the Sheikh.
After Edmunds' return to Abu Shahr, both he and Captain Hennell
explained this unusual behavior of the Sheikh, to have been due not
to ill-will, but principally to a desire to mislead the Egyptian agent
at Kuwait as to the nature of his relations with the British.
Therefore, they considered that Jabir's conduct did not indicate any
change in his friendly policies towards the British.
If the British tolerated the attitude of Jabir towards Edmunds, so
also did the Egyptians. Earlier in the same year, some of the most
wanted men in the Wahhabi camp, such as 'Umar Ibn 'Ufaisan, the
Wahhabi general in Al-Hasa, and Wahhabi tribes like Al-Duwaish,
sought refuge in Kuwait.
Protection of refugees seeking political
asylum in his country was a policy that had been adopted earlier by
Sheikh Abdulla Ibn Sabah. This can, therefore, be looked upon as an
indication of self-confidence; an outcome of Kuwait's independence
from foreign powers. It corroborates the fact that Kuwait, if
necessary, was prepared to defend itself against more powerful
neighbors.
This defense depended not only on the walls of the city, but also on
bedouin tribes in its neighborhood and a merchant fleet equipped with
the necessary guns comparable to other Arab fleets of the time.
As to Kuwait's position between 1815 and 1839, one can safely state
that it managed to maintain a neutral policy with regard to the
struggling Wahhabis and Egyptians. Relations with the British and
even with the Pasha of Baghdad continued on good terms.
[ Source: The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima,
McGill University, Canada ]
---
They were trying to recover land they believed
was theirs, much like the Argentines in the Faulklands. The Kuwaitis pushed
just a little too far by taking Iraqi oil and Saddam thought he'd settle
the dispute the old fashioned way...
Are you really this cartoonish? Or do you seriously believe this? If
so, please post your proof.
Everybody would have been much better off had they left the reunited Iraq
together and concentrated on taking out Saddam. A strong, united Iraq with
an elected government would have gone a long way to ridding the world of
the feudal dictatorships in the Gulf.
Are standards at UWisc dropping? Since when has Iraq *ever* had an
"elected" government?
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:
> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
>256k SIMMs... So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy
>some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing
>about it.
About a month ago there was a photo posted on
alt.binaries.pictures.misc of a 17.5-inch Northern Pike which had been
caught on a lure made of 256K SIMMs.
--
----------------------------------------------------
Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!
| 12sci.electronics |
>DATE: Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:12:55 GMT
>FROM: Carolyn Jean Fairman <cfairman@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>
>agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) asks about Mormons.
>
>>There are some mention about events, places, or historical persons
>>later discovered by archeologist?
>
>One of the more amusing things in the BOM is a claim that a
>civilization existed in North America, aroun where the mystical plates
>were found. Not only did it use steel and other metals, but it had
>lots of wars (very OT). No one has ever found any metal swords or
>and traces of a civilization other than the Native Americans.
>
>This is just one example.
From _Free Inquiry_, Winter 83/84, the following is an
introduction to the article "Joseph Smith and the Book of
Mormon", by George D. Smith. The introduction is written by
Paul Kurtz.
Mormonism -- the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
-- claims a worldwide membership 5.2 million. It is one of
the world's fastest growing religions, with as many as
200,000 new converst in 1982 alone. Because of the church's
aggressive missionary program, covering more than one
hundred countries, it is spreading even to third world
countries.
Mormonism is both puritanical in moral outlook and
evangelical in preachment. The church is run along strict
authoritarian lines. Led by a president, who allegedly
receives revelations directly form God, and a group of
twelve apostles who attempt to maintain orthodoxy in belief
and practice, the church is opposed to abortion,
pornography, sexual freedom, women's rights, and other, in
its view, immoral influences of secular society, and it
forbids the use of tobacco, alcohol, coffee, and tea.
Centered in Salt Lake City, the church is extremely wealthy
and politically powerful in Utal and many other western
states. Among well-know present-day Mormons are Ezra Taft
Benson (former secretary of agriculture), the Osmond family,
the Mariotts of the hotel empire, and a score of high-placed
government officials.
The Mormon church was founded in western New York in 1830 by
Joseph Smith who claimed that by divine revelation be had
found gold plates containing hieroglyphics buried on a hill
and that with the help of visits from the angel Moroni he
had been able to translate the writing into the _Book of
Mormon_, the basis of Mormon belief. This book, written "by
the commandment of God," claims that the ancient Hebrews
settled in America about 600 B.C.E. and were the ancestors
of the American Indians. Mormons believe that those who
have been baptized in the "true church" will be reunited
after death and that deceased non-Mormon family members can
be baptized by proxy and thus join their relatives in the
hereafter. Because of these beliefs, Mormons have been
considered outcasts by mainline Christian denominations and
as heretics by religious fundamentalists.
Joseph Smith was a controversial figure in his day -- he was
both worshiped as a saint and denounced as a fraud. Because
of persecution he led his band of loyal followers from
Palmyra, New York, westward to Ohio and then to Illinois,
where in 1844 he was shot to death by an agry mob. Brigham
Young, who reportedly had as many as eighty wives, took over
the leadership of the church and led the Mormons further
westward, to found the new Zion in Salt Lake City.
Following the teachings of Joseph Smith in the practice of
polygamy was perhaps the Mormons most controversial practice
in nineteenth-century America.
While other religions go back many centuries --
Muhammadanism, 1200 years; Christianity, 2000; and Judaism,
3000 -- and attempts to examine their beginnings are
difficult, extensive historical investigation of Mormon
roots is possible. Some Mormons are willing to examine this
history objectively, bu others maintain that such scrutiny
is dangerous to the faith.
In the following pages, _Free Inquiry_ presents two articles
about the Mormon church. First, George D. Smith, a lifelong
member of the church, provides a detailed critical
examination of Joseph Smith and his claim the the _Book of
Mormon_ was divinely revealed. Second, we present a portion
of an interview with philosopher Sterling McMurrin, also a
Mormon since birth, who questions the treatment of the
history of the church by Mormon authorities. -- Paul Kurtz
The article itself is super.
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| 0alt.atheism |
Can someone elaborate a little on what this "Libertarian" movement is? I
am not going to draw conclusions from a small sample, but so far I
recall two self-described "Libertarians" posting here. Both seems to be:
1) Incredibly ignorant.
2) Incredibly arrogant.
3) All they want is to get people angry.
4) Posses a lousy sense of humor.
5) write incoherently and jump from topic to topic without any logical
connection between topics.
6) Describe themselves as intelligent and knowledgeable, although everything
in their posters points to the opposite.
7) Very childish.
Is this some campaign to smear this Libertarian party or what?
-Danny Keren.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <116664@bu.edu>, uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:
> Think again. You won't see me using apple's new signature from the
> finder feature.
Why not? It hasn't been released, so there's no way for you to evaluate it
yet. After all, Apple could have been smart and had AOCE use an MD5 hash
encrypted with RSA, just like PKCS signatures. They could even be actually
PKCS compliant, for all you know; why not wait until it is released, and hard
information is available, before passing judgement on it?
AOCE's algorithm's aren't secret because Apple's being fascistic--AOCE itself
remains secret (except for Apple demos at MacWorld :)), simply because it's
not done yet.
It may be flawed, and it may not. However, you can't tell which until you
actually see it. I, at least, am quite impressed with what I have seen so
far, and have no expectation of being disappointed.
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
| 11sci.crypt |
I don't know if some lemons are out there, but from personal experience
My brother's has been trouble free. Not one single repair, only
regular maintainance. The only work he had done on it was a result
of his stupidity... he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn
on a busy intersection, and was rear-ended. He has a 1989 Plymouth
Sundance. I would recomend it, but I would also like to say that if
you can wait about six months, ChryCo is coming out with a new car
called the Neon, that is built in the same way as the LH's where.
Good luck with your desiscion.
| 7rec.autos |
Can someone please help me understand the current situation
regarding SIMMS?
I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years.
I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB.
I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS.
Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin?
Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a
newer, more powerful system?
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Rob
--
Rob Sprecher
rcs8@po.cwru.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
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