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In article <93110.125951PCA103@psuvm.psu.edu> <PCA103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >Does anyone know what processor the Atari 2600 used? What I'm looking for is th >e pin-outs for the Atari 2600.... the schematics for it it... does anyone have >any idea where I could find this or any related information? This is very impor >tant. Also, are the ROM chips that were used fo rthe 2600 games still available >, or were they propreitary? Please email me with any responces, as this is very > important.. Thanks a million... > >BTW- Anyone who works/has worked for Atari, I could really use your help with i >nfo on the old 2600, please email me if you are willing to help me.... thatnks >alot!! > >-Peter The Atari 2600 used a 6502 CPU, just like their entire 8-bit line (400, 800,1200,1400, 1440, 130xe, 65xe computers, as well as the 5200 game machine). The 2600 had some extra ASIC chips that were basically modified graphics chips and PIA's for the joysticks. Later model 2600 might have incorporated many of the chips into one ASCI, as the weight of the machines and part count decreased a lot over the years. Additionally, I think the 2600 used 2K, 4K, and up to 8K of ROM for their games. I have no idea how much RAM it had to work with, but I would hazard a guess of 2 or 4K RAM. Think comes from a lot of hacking with the 800 and 130xe computers. And occasionally hacking with the 2600 (fixing it for monitor composite video use, and audio hookups). Also I tryed to make a cartridge-less system that stored the ROM into a RAM cartridge that could be loaded up at some prior time (a way to backup cartridges). I've heard of a setup like this where games could be bought (cheaply) on FSK-recorded tapes, then you would load them into a special RAM cartidge, and play them. Anyways, if you're interested in looking for 2600 equipment, we've got two 2600 machines around (one composite A/V modified), and lotsa cartridges. Willing to sell for reasonable offer + shipping and handling. Don't play it anymore, since going to computers + Nintendo (interested in that too?). Hope that helps your question... I might grab some 6502's out too, since they must be fun to play with (as microcontrollers). -shishin "squish" yamada squish@endor.harvard.edu	12sci.electronics
> I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to > be carcinogenic that "it would not be legal in the U.S.". I think that > naturally occuring substances (excluding "controlled" substances) are > pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food, food additives > or other "consumption". It's only when the chemists concoct (sp?) an > ingredient that it falls under FDA regulations. Otherwise, if they > really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything. > How in the world do you suppose it's legal to "consume" tobacco products > (which probably SHOULD be banned)? No, there is something called the "Delany Amendment" which makes carcinogenic food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the 1950's, before stuff like mass spectrometry became available, which increased detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude. This is why things like cyclamates and Red #2 were banned. They are very weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats, so under the Act they are banned. This also applies to natural carcinogens. Some of you might remember a time back in the 1960's when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good, and never tasted so good again. That was the time when safrole was banned. This is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves. If it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days, someone would do it, in order to make money. The fact that no one does it indicates that enforcement is still in effect. An odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as "gumbo file'". This is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves. This is not only a natural product, but a natural product still in its natural form, so maybe that's how they evade Delany. Or maybe a special exemption was made, to appease powerful Louisiana Democrats.	13sci.med
In article <80389@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: >First off, if I'm not mistaken, only hibernating animals have brown fat, >not humans. Human infants do have bown fat deposits while adult humans are believed not to have brown fat. Also while brown fat may play an important role in rousing hibernators, it is definitely not limited to hibernating animals -- it is a common energy source for nonshivering thermogenesis. -- Edwin Barkdoll barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu eb3@world.std.com	13sci.med
I am looking of information regarding UIMX. I believe this is an application front end generator tool for Motif (among others). Whould someone given me a contact? I need to get hold of the programmers' guide, or something like it. -- Paul Mahoney, X-Act Solutions Limited smail: 20 Shipley Lane, Cooden, Bexhill-on-Sea, East Sussex, TN39 3SR email: ptm@xact.demon.co.uk ... pmahoney@cix.compulink.co.uk phone: +44 424 846368	5comp.windows.x
Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I'd like to write them a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended. People like Howard Metzenbaum seem very intent on diluting the 2nd amendment to the point where it is no effort for the governmentski to do what they did in Waco. After all, from what I know of the Federalist papers, it is this kind of tyranny the 2nd amendment was supposed to be designed to protect against. Honestly! M-60 tanks against the civilian population! Attack helicopters! We need the right to keep and bear anti-tank weapons. Actually, if they intend to mass armour against the (weakly-armed, at that) civilian population, we need the right to field tactical nukes. Government tyranny! Who would have ever thought it would happen here! I wonder who'se house they'll run tanks through next, because the gov. SUSPECTS child abuse. Maybe yours! Maybe mine! And what is an Illegal Weapon (which they have yet to show us), if the 2nd amendment is designed to do what I believe it is, and the gov. uses tanks against you? Government self-serving? Naaaah. Not here. Time was when the U.S. used armour/attack helicopters against small countries. Now, we're down to using them against to what amounts to a busload and a half of civilians. "First they came for the Jews, but I did not stop them, because I was not a Jew: Then they came for the catholics, but I did not stop them because I was not a catholic! Then they came for the lutherans, but there was now no one left to stop them!" Rev. Martin Niemoller. (probably didn't get it verbatim, but you get the idea). If the NRA reads this, then never mind about the address. God save us! --James S. Barker Portland State University barker@cs.pdx.edu	16talk.politics.guns
Just kidding	17talk.politics.mideast
In article <C5Hr14.Jxw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes: >My definition of objective would be absolute, or fixed, rather than > > subjective, or varying and changing. > Lets see what the dictionary has to say: objective adj. 1. As having to do with a material object as distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. 3.a. Uninfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on observable phenomenon. eric	19talk.religion.misc
[Space ad proposed] This is undoubtedly the sickest thing to come down the marketing pipe in years, and the best reason for resurrecting the "Star Wars" killer satellite system. Dan	14sci.space
Hello, I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989. Can anyone tell me more about this, or fill me in on recent books/articles( in english, german or french). Most important for me is the role of the church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools, birth-control and the relation church-state(government). Thanx, Masja, "M.M.Zwart"<s0612596@let.rug.nl>	15soc.religion.christian
In article <1993Apr27.151619.2636@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> giamomj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike G.) writes: >Need info on Circumcision, medical cons and pros > >In article <C63yG5.8tH@cs.uiuc.edu> Gunnar Blix, blix@milton.cs.uiuc.edu >writes: >>I need information on the medical (including emotional :-) pros and >>cons of circumcision (at birth). I am especially interested in >>references to studies that indicate disadvantages or refute studies >>that indicate advantages. A friend who is a medical student is >>writing a survey paper, and apparently the studies she has run into >>are all for circumcision, the main argument being a lower risk of >>penile cancer. >> >>Please email responses as I am not a frequent reader of either group. >>I will summarize to the net. > >I'm very surprised that medical schools still push routine circumcision >of newborn males on the population. Since your friend is not a man, she Money probably has a lot to do with keeping the practice of routine circumcision alive... It's another opporitunity to charge a few hundred extra bucks for a completely unnecessary procedure, the rationale for which until recently has been accepted without question by most parents of newborns. One could also imagine that complications arising from circumcision (infections, sloppy jobs, etc) are far more common than the remote chance of penile cancer it is purported to prevent. >can't imagine what it's like to have a penis, much less a foreskin. I >guess if American medicine did an artistic job of circumcising every >male, then the visual result would be somewhat more natural in >appearance... > >The penile cancer thing has been completely debunked...she must be >going to school on a South Pacific island. Tell her to check the Journal >or Urology for circumcision articles. I remember at least 1 on an old >Jewish man (cut at birth) who developed penile cancer....I mean, if the >cancer risk was that great, the Europe who have been circumcising like >crazy, too. Teaching a boy how to keep his cockhead clean is the issue: a >little proper hygiene goes a long way - Americans are just too hung up on >the penis to consider cleaning it: that's just way too much like >mastubation. So you have surgical intervention that is basically >unnecessary. Peter Schlumpf University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign	13sci.med
THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military arm of Hamas, an Islamic Palestinian group. Hamas figures significantly in the Middle East equation. In December, Israel deported more than 400 Palestinians to Lebanon in response to Hamas's kidnapping and execution of an Israeli soldier. A longer version appears in the May issue of Harper's Magazine, which obtained and translated the tape.) My name is Yasir Hammad al-Hassan Ali. I live in Nuseirat [a refugee camp in the Gaza Strip]. I was born in 1964. I finished high school, then attended Gaza Polytechnic. Later, I went to work for Islamic University in Gaza as a clerk. I'm married and I have two daughters. The Qassam Battalions are the only group in Palestine explicitly dedicated to jihad [holy war]. Our primary concern is Palestinians who collaborate with the enemy. Many young men and women have fallen prey to the cunning traps laid by the [Israeli] Security Services. Since our enemies are trying to obliterate our nation, cooperation with them is clearly a terrible crime. Our most important objective must be to put an end to the plague of collaboration. To do so, we abduct collaborators, intimidate and interrogate them in order to uncover other collaborators and expose the methods that the enemy uses to lure Palestinians into collaboration in the first place. In addition to that, naturally, we confront the problem of collaborators by executing them. We don't execute every collaborator. After all, about 70 percent of them are innocent victims, tricked or black-mailed into their misdeeds. The decision whether to execute a collaborator is based on the seriousness of his crimes. If, like many collaborators, he has been recruited as an agent of the Israeli Border Guard then it is imperative that he be executed at once. He's as dangerous as an Israeli soldier, so we treat him like an Israeli soldier. There's another group of collaborators who perform an even more loathsome role -- the ones who help the enemy trap young men and women in blackmail schemes that force them to become collaborators. I regard the "isqat" [the process by which a Palestinians is blackmailed into collaboration] of single person as greater crime than the killing of a demonstrator. If someone is guilty of causing repeated cases of isqat, than it is our religious duty to execute him. A third group of collaborators is responsible for the distribution of narcotics. They work on direct orders from the Security Services to distribute drugs as widely as possible. Their victims become addicted and soon find it unbearable to quit and impossible to afford more. They collaborate in order to get the drugs they crave. The dealers must also be executed. In the battalions, we have developed a very careful method of uncovering collaborators, We can't afford to abduct an innocent person, because once we seize a person his reputation is tarnished forever. We will abduct and interrogate a collaborator only after evidence of his guilt has been established -- never before. If after interrogation the collaborator is found guilty beyond any doubt, then he is executed. In many cases, we don't have to make our evidence against collaborators public, because everyone knows that they're guilty. But when the public isn't aware that a certain individual is a collaborator, and we accuse him, people are bound to ask for evidence. Many people will proclaim his innocence, so there must be irrefutable proof before he is executed. This proof is usually obtained in the form of a confession. At first, every collaborator denies his crimes. So we start off by showing the collaborator the testimony against him. We tell him that he still has a chance to serve his people, even in the last moment of his life, by confessing and giving us the information we need. We say that we know his repentance in sincere and that he has been a victim. That kind of talk is convincing. Most of them confess after that. Others hold out; in those cases, we apply pressure, both psychological and physical. Then the holdouts confess as well. Only one collaborator has ever been executed without an interrogation. In that case, the collaborator had been seen working for the Border Guard since before the intifada, and he himself confessed his involvement to a friend, who disclosed the information to us. In addition, three members of his network of collaborators told us that he had caused their isqat. With this much evidence, there was no need to interrogate him. But we are very careful to avoid wrongful executions. In every case, our principal is the same: the accused should be interrogated until he himself confesses his crimes. A few weeks ago, we sat down and complied a list of collaborators to decide whether there were any who could be executed without interrogation. An although we had hundreds of names, still, because of our fear of God and of hell, we could not mark any of these men, except for the one I just mentioned, for execution. When we execute a collaborator in public, we use a gun. But after we abduct and interrogate a collaborator, we can't shoot him -- to do so might give away our locations. That's why collaborators are strangled. Sometimes we ask the collaborator, "What do you think? How should we execute you?" One collaborator told us, "Strangle me." He hated the sight of blood. ----- Naftaly Stramer \| Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com \| 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 \| Boulder, CO 80301 "Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."	17talk.politics.mideast
(Dale "Seer" Stephenson) writes: >While I can see why they want to cut down on the time spent walking around, >Gant wasn't ordered back in the box "sooner", he was ordered back immediately. >As soon as he stepped out, Hirschbeck told him to get back in the box. >Now, Gant doesn't take a lot of walks between pitches. The only reason >he did then because he was very bothered by the call. I expect his >concentration wasn't there yet, and in a crucial situation I imagine it's >best to be as calm as possible. Contributing factors would be Gant's >bad day at the plate, bad year at the plate, and the Braves long scoring >drought. And it is not Hirschbeck's job to help Gant with any of these difficulties. If Gant can't gather his concentration for whatever reason, that just makes him all the more meat in the batter's box. The umpire's job is to maintain flow of play. Gant is not entitled to time to regather his faculties. Nor is anyone else. >Now, it's pretty stupid to go ahead and talk the walk when the umpire is >telling you to get in there. You know the umpire is going to do something >(call for a strike, throw you out, etc.). Gant was wrong. Absolutely. I think it'd be more accurate to say Gant was foolish. >But Hirschbeck was more wrong, in my biased view. Aside from the major chip >he seemed to have on his shoulder, what was the problem. Gant had a reason >to want some time (disputed strike call). If a disputed strike call is ample reason for a timeout, games would last about nine-fifteen weeks, if Jack Morris or Dave "Whiner" Stieb were pitching. A disputed strike call is not sufficient for a time out. Suck it up, get back in the box, and never badmouth the blue. They're not going to change their mind, and you're just going to come across as a pinhead, which won't help you with the borderline calls. FTR - I never speak to umpires when I don't know them personally, nor do I glance at them, or react to calls. As a result, I think I get more than my fair share of borderline calls at the plate, because I have a rep of having a good eye. (Actually, there are a lot of negative connotations that go with that rep, including copious questions about my masculinity, party affiliation, and sexual preference.) >Gant hadn't been wasting time all >game. The game had been cruising along, and was just over two hours old. Irrelevant. He was wasting time THEN. >The score was 1-0, with 2 outs in the ninth and a runner in scoring position. >Is there any reason Hirschbeck couldn't, and shouldn't, cut Gant a little >slack? 1. Because it's not his job. 2. Because setting the precedent of cutting slack THERE can easily extend to those 3 hour games. (Kind of like the phantom DP.) >For no discernible constructive reason, Hirschbeck disrupted the >game, caused a five minute delay, and materially hurt the batter in a key >situation. Did he have a date to get to? Gant hurt himself, and the Braves disrupted the game. Your biases are exposed, and I'm sitting here defending umpires and the SF Giants, which is like Phyllis Schlafly defending Gary Segura, Jack Kevorkian, and the Swedish Abortion Team. >And I still wonder why Terry was tossed earlier in the game. I believe Terry said the magic word. There are some truly quick ways to get tossed from a ballgame. For a primer, email me. Good ways to get tossed from a game: 1. Ask Ken Kaiser if he got his money back from Nutri-System. 2. Kiss Rich Garcia on the lips, and say "Hi, Honey, I'm Home!" 3. Goose Eric Gregg. 4. Ask Bruce Froemming if his parents had any children that lived. 5. Get Naked. (Source: The Greg Spira Book of Diamond Ettiquette, as told to Peter Gammons. 1991, Collier Press.) -- * Gary Huckabay * "Outside?! That was right down the bleedin' pipe, * * "Balder than any * Kenny! I realize I don't have great control, but * * Dave on the net. * c'mon!" "Gary, that was a styrofoam cup. The * * Really." * plate's a foot to your right. Throw the ball." *	9rec.sport.baseball
In article <andy.bgsu.edu-250493225109@m248-100.bgsu.edu> andy.bgsu.edu (Ryan ) writes: (Roger Maynard) wrote: >> Once again the Leafs overcame the Red Wings in what was possibly the >> most exciting game played yet in this playoff year. Perhaps it was the most exciting game played yet that YOU have seen. For most of us who watch teams around the league with interest and objectivity, it was nowhere near the most exciting game... >Paul Stewart called the single worst game I've seen this year. >Federov's major was obvious, and I don't dispute it. However, Chaisson's >penalty shouldn't even have been a penalty, let alone a major and a >game misconduct. The 5-minute+ game misc. call is for high sticking only. >There is no "blood" penalty. Just because Chaisson barely touched the >poor sap, and he hit the dasher and bled profusely doesn't mean it is a >penalty. Unfortunately, the instant replay is not used on hits. At first, I immediately thought "5 and a game" because the hit _looked_ much more severe from an intent-to-injure perspective than it was. After seeing the replay, I'd say it deserved 2-4 minutes for boarding (it was careless any way you slice it). If Stewart had replay, I do not think Chaisson would have gotten 5 and the game. >In the second period, behind Potvin, Probert had the puck, and was >going to get out front, and was _tackled!_ I couldn't believe the no-call. This no-call was bullshit, I agree. I admire Stewart for letting them go, but Probert looked up saying where the hell is the penalty? I've never seen Probert whine either (he doesn't need to). Now, if Probie decides to put Wendel through the boards, he's probably gone, right? >I don't remember who (on the Leafs) touched the puck >on Racine's shot towards the end of the game (43.2 seconds left), but Stewart >called it out of play, last touched by Detroit. Everybody in the Garden, >including the Linesmen knew it. Yzerman protested, but Stewart just >laughed, and really "homered" the Wings. This was also bullshit. But once again, no replay. It was Rouse, btw. I'm really pissed that the linesmen didn't correct the call either....it's b.s. when the officials refuse to admit they made a mistake. >But, when it all comes down to it, [Wings played like shit.....] Yes. The calls you describe should not have the difference in a Detroit loss. I picked the Leafs to win Game 3 on emotion and adrenalin, but the Wings have no excuses for Game 4. They should be the superior team. The call that pissed me off the most was Anderson getting 4 for putting his stick in somebody's eye. That was _the_ most dangerous stick infraction I have seen in a long time, and everybody in the damn league _knows_ he's an asshole when it comes to stickwork. Four lousy minutes. Bullshit call. Murray should send the tape in. Or a Wing should hammer the living shit out of him. -- dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca	10rec.sport.hockey
In a previous article, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) says: >Well, it depends how you look at it. If you are interested I might >find out what the latest status is in this legal battle. >Kent > Please do! And if you don't want to post it here, email to me :-) I don't know how this discussion is appreciated here. I hate 'invading' newsgroups with themes of limited interest :-) Tony	19talk.religion.misc
kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) writes: >As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while >here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering..... >-- Many cars sold here in Finland are small and cheap cars (at least when compared to other cars --- note that we have over 120 % car tax). And you couldn't expect a good auto mated to a 1.3 L engine? Most of the bigger cars are, however, sold with autos.	7rec.autos
Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Could anyone please repost it or email to me, if I missed it? Thanks in advance. ... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: apoylis@inode.com; FidoNet: 1:2603/106 --- þ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 þ	3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >Similarly, people usually use dB for dBm. Another common mistake is spelling >``db'' instead of ``dB'' as you did in your article. See the ``B'' is for >``Bell'' company, the mother of AT&T and should be capitalized. Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell. And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus our use of the Ohms... Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from... Actually, Bel refers > With highest regards, > Babak Sehari. >-- -- Joseph Chiu \| josephc@cco.caltech.edu "OS/2: You gotta get this thing!" MSC 380 - Caltech \| Pasadena, CA 91126 \| OS/2: The operating system of tomorrow, today. +1 818 449 5457 \|	12sci.electronics
I was curious as to what people thought of the VW Corrado VR6? That's about it... Outatime ------>	7rec.autos
In article <C5uAoq.5v@ulowell.ulowell.edu> mcook@cs.ulowell.edu (Michael Cook) writes: >Recently, I have been getting a CMOS Checksum error when I first turn on my >computer. It doesn't happen everytime I turn it on, nor can I predict when it >is going to happen. I have an AMI BIOS and all of the setting are lost, for >example the drive types and the password options. However, the date and time >remain correct. If anyone knows what can be causing this, please let me know. Most likely reason is that your backup battery is failing - this battery maintains the contents of the CMOS memory when AC power is turned off, and if the battery is flakey then the contents of the CMOS will be lost and the checksum will be wrong (along with most other of the CMOS data). Try replacing the battery. If, however, your PC doesn't use a battery but a large capacitor to power the CMOS, you should check to see if you can replace the capacitor with a more normal lithium battery. If this isn't possible, make sure you leave your PC on for a half hour or hour each day; this will keep the capacitor charged. I'd opt for the battery change, though. It's also possible, but unlikely that a rogue problem or even a virus is corrupting the CMOS. If your battery seems okay, get a virus scanner and check out your system.	3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
I see no difference between Janet Reno's claim of responsibility for the Waco Massacre and the IRA's claims of responsibility for various acts of terrorism against British citizens. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com> I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.	16talk.politics.guns
Jeff Meyers (jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote: : In article <1qkqrhINNobc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes: : . : . : >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here : >using [Procomm Plus for Windows], but the screen seems to have a problem : >keeping up with the : >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. : Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card! My 9600 baud : modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get : about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the : modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too). He should get over : 10 million on his machine with the same card. Anything 10+ should yield : acceptable speed... I'm using PC Plus at home on my trusty old NEC 386 SX/20 with a 14,400 baud modem with no problems at all. I am, however, running only straight 16 color VGA. -- Christopher Menzel Internet -> cmenzel@tamu.edu Philosophy, Texas A&M University Phone ----> (409) 845-8764 College Station, TX 77843-4237 Fax ------> (409) 845-045	2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
ee0i+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Ethan Z. Evans") writes: : : Of course, penalties will have to be changed: : : Roughing: Chauvanistic Males Being Aggressive : Slashing: Chauvanistic Males Venting Frustration : Fighting: Proof That Males Cannot Cope With Their Feelings : NO NO NO! since all the penalties fall into three classes, there should only be three penalties: 1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game. 2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you are thrown out of the game, and fined. 3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game. Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one, until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in the act of shooting when the foul ocured. This works well for several reasons. First, penalty shots are the most exciting thing in hockey, right? So, it follows that the more the better. Next, when the player is setting up for a penalty shot, the network can take a commercial. Finally, with only three penalties, the network announcers (Don Meredith, Dick Vitale, John Madden, Pat Summerall, and Marv Levy, among others) will be able to tell the viewers what happened before the PA announcer says it. Oh, one other rule. When a goal is scored (10-20 times a period), the play cannot resume until the PA announcer announces it. This way, the network can sneak in a few more commercials. Then, once the PA announcer has told them who scored, the TV announcer can tell you the viewer, and even have a chance of pronouncing his name right. Seriously, though, I actually went to see a NBA basketball game last week, for the first time in my life. I was amazed how boring it was. The play is so slow they actually had fans come out for things like free-throw shooting contests DURING THE PERIOD!. Of course the 'Laker Girls' get to do their routines at least 6-8 times during the game, and not just between periods either. There is a whistle every 30 seconds on average, maybe less. The game is 48 minutes, with 2 minutes between quarters 1-2 and 3-4 and a 10 minute halftime, and it still takes over 2 hours. The reason for this has to be TV. There is plenty of room to throw in commercials, and have the announcer jabber while nothing else is happening. On TV, basketball is fairly entertaining, IMHO. But, it is better to watch it on TV than to be there. If this is the road the NHL is following, then it truly is a sad day. Enough for now. dvb	10rec.sport.hockey
I appreciated the follow-ups and replies to my earlier query. One reply, which I have lost, suggested several parishes in New York that have good Masses, one of which was Corpus Christi in downtown Manhattan. By coincidence, last week's _America_, the national Jesuit magazine, carried an interview with Fr. Myles Bourke, Corpus Christi's pastor emeritus. Fr. Bourke also directed the NT translation in the New American Bible. He noted "...certain practices have been introduced into the Mass in such a manner that an atmosphere of banality, and sometimes of hilarity, has trivialized the liturgy." I note that at my parents' parish on Easter, helium filled balloons were distributed at the offertory, apparently to aid in understanding the word "risen". This was not a kiddie mass, either, but the well-attended 11:00 Mass. I wanted to note the generous spirit behind the replies. This newsgroup as a whole offers generally moderate (perhaps because it's moderated) conversation on topics that often lead people to extreme behavior (including myself). Sometimes people do go over the top, but the remarkable thing is how that is the exception, I think. Benefits of the doubt are generally granted. It seems so...Christian? John Murray	15soc.religion.christian
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nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes: >jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: >>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the >>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of >>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. >I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred >to the tool as "...the PLIERS that took a ride into space...". They also >said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind >during assembly of one SRB. I assume, then, that someone at Thiokol put on their "manager's hat" and said that pissing off the customer by delaying shipment of the SRB to look inside it was a bad idea, regardless of where that tool might have ended up. Why do I get the feeling that Thiokol "manager's hats" are shaped like cones?	14sci.space
In article <15407@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes: #There is a big difference between running one's business #affairs, and actively ripping people off. And charging homosexuals more becuase people think that AIDS is a "gay disease" is actively ripping people off. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w	18talk.politics.misc
In article <1993Apr21.172328.29720@bme.ri.ccf.org>, tknuth@bio.ri.ccf.org writes... >In article 1@acad.drake.edu, sbp002@acad.drake.edu () writes: >>Does anyone know the status of Jeffries or Arocha? > > >Arocha broke his finger trying to field a ground ball. >He was put on the DL after the game and may require surgery. The injury is to his fielding hand, which is good. Unfortunately, he may have some ligament damage and may require surgery, which would lay him up for a while. >I don't know about Jefferies Apparently just a strain of some sort. He hasn't been put on the DL, so it's probably just day-to-day. --Aaron	9rec.sport.baseball
In article <1993Apr24.201117.26232@cs.wisc.edu>, oehler@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Wonko the Sane) writes: > I was recently talking to a possible employer ( mine! :-) ) and he made a >reference to a 48-bit graphics computer/image processing system. I seem to >remember it being called IMAGE or something akin to that. Anyway, he claimed >it had 48-bit color + a 12-bit alpha channel. That's 60 bits of info--what >could that possibly be for? Specifically the 48-bit color? That's 280 >trillion colors, many more than the human eye can resolve. Is this an >anti-aliasing thing? Or is this just some magic number to make it work better >with a certain processor. Well 48 bit colour could be for improved resolution but 16 bits per channel seems like a bit excessive. I have seen a paper that quoted 10 bits per channel of 12 bits for computational precision. More than that would seem to be wasted. Perhaps the frame buffer uses another colourspace which needs more bits to represent the full range - RGB is a cube so it is a compact encoding. Most likely however is that there are two separate 24 bit (8 bits per component) frame buffers. This set up, called double buffering, allows a complex 3d picture to be built up on one buffer while the other buffer (containing the previous frame) is displayed. This makes for smoother animation. >(sadly, I have access to none of them. Just a DEC 5000/25. Sigh.) Well hey if you want to brag about numbers, the 5000 range can take a PXG Turbo+ card with 96 bits per pixel. Full double buffering (Two 24 bit buffers), a 24 bit Z buffer and an extra 24 bit buffer for off screen image storage. Mind you the card costs more than your workstation. -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------	1comp.graphics
: There are chips which perform the voice compression/expansion. They can't : be expensive, because they exist in many phones connected to PBXs or on the : PBX line cards, as well as in a lot of equipment which compresses : voice-grade circuits to save the cost of long-distance, leased T1s or : satellite circuits. : I can't remember the generic term for these chips. My impression is that : this was a big deal 10 years ago, but circuits have gotten so cheap that : it isn't done much now. Codecs. They have to get about 6:1 compression on 8 bit samples to squeeze them down v32bis. I played around with the lossless 'shorten' program last night, but it only managed 2.5:1. I've got some specimen CELP code but it's not obvious that it runs in real time; I think it's just proof-of- concept code, and I have some mucking about with file formats to do before I can put my own sample through it. Looks like the current option is to use a voice-mail modem with built-in DSP chip to do this in hardware. That means two modems for a system, putting the cost at $600 upwards. Ouch. Maybe soon we'll be able to do it in software on high-powered games consoles - isn't the 3DO an Acorn RISC machine inside? That cpu runs like shit off a shovel... and will be nicely mass-market too. G	11sci.crypt
In <1993Apr15.234154.23145@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work >on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have >some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital >prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for >another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with >major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a >set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions. Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or "as-will-be") for use as a reuseable sounding rocket? >Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of >this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next >year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR. Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the bastard Son of NLS. (And just as a reminder:) >Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made >for spending half on DC. >Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll >help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media >and get them to cover the flight tests.	14sci.space
Could the guy who wrote the article "Why I am not Bertrand Russell" resend me a copy? Sorry, I accidently deleted my copy and forgot your name.	15soc.religion.christian
> SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY When I first saw this, I thought for a second that it was a headline from The Star about the pliers found in the SRB recently. Y'know, sometimes they have wire-cutters built in :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. -------------------------------------------------------------------------	14sci.space
I have been playing with my Centris 610 for almost a week now. I must say this machine is really fast! The hardware turn-on feature is annoying, but I got PowerKey from Sophisicated Circuits and it works like a charm. However, I still have a few complaints: - when I restart the machine every time, the screen image (the desktop pattern) jerks up and down for a few times. - the Quantum 170 drive is noisy Overall, I highly recommend it: it is fast, affordable and looks great! -- Dominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca) Computer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	4comp.sys.mac.hardware
In article <YfqmleK00iV185Co5L@andrew.cmu.edu>, you say: > I've seen people in their forties and fifties become disoriented and >demented during hospital stays. In the examples I've seen, drugs were >definitely involved. Speaking from experience, one doesn't need drugs to become disoriented during hospital stays. I was in hosp for 5 days in late Jan; what with general noise at all hours of night, staff coming every time I turned over, or whatever, to check me out, I didn't get much sustained sleep at night. Spent days groggy & dozing, and all it was from my perspective was that I was TIRED! BobM - Let's REINVENT hospital organization!s	13sci.med
irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: :glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes: :>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, :>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming :>houses and violating civil rights under color of law. :> :>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution? : :Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the :snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the :name of 'self defense.' Well, the count is now at least 86 dead by government action. How many have been killed in the last year in the manner you described? What, no facts? Oh, how silly of me; I forgot, you don't like guns, so you don't need no stinkin' facts. :Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter. Don't get too smug, Mr. gun-hater. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * *** * * ** * * * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * nor safety. --B. Franklin ** * * * ** ** * *** * *	16talk.politics.guns
In article <1993Apr2.180839.14305@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: >In <1993Apr2.064804.29008@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) writes: > > >> I don't know what you as a white male did. I do know what white males, >>as a class, have done. > >> They've invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, printing with >>movable type, photography, computers, the electric guitar. anasthesia, rocket >>powered space flight, the computer, electricity, the telephone, TV, motion >>pictures, penecillin(sp), telescopes, nylon, and the X-Ray machine. > >Two glaring errors here. First, white males don't do anything as a "class." >INDIVIDUAL white males invented those things, which means nothing to white >males as a whole. Second, you neglected to mention Charles Manson, Hitler, >McCarthy, Jack the Ripper, Ted Bundy, and a whole slew of individuals who >have done horrible, evil things. If white males can take the credit for >our fellow white males' boons, we must also take the blame for our >fellows' blights. I claim we deserve neither credit nor blame for these >things. > > >> We are told, by U.S. congresswoman Barbara Jordan, that we are biologically >>incapable of compassion. > >She's full of shit. > >> We are told by Susan Brownmiller that we're all rapists and that's ALL >>we are. > >She's full of shit. > >> We're told by Catherine Comins that a false rape charge is actually good >>for us. > >She's full of shit. > >> We are told by the feminist lawyers that we are not to be trusted with >>children. > >They're full of shit. > >> We are told, by Newsweek magazine, that we are "poor sports" if we complain. > >Newsweek is full of shit. > >The point, ladies and gents? Michael is not entirely correct in his theory >that because members of our race and gender made great advances, the race >and gender as a whole deserve more respect than they receive. White males >DO deserve to be treated better than they are being treated, but not for >that reason. And the male-bashers he quoted are repugnant hate-mongers, no >better than the chauvinists they despise. So no one's right, as usual. > >White males need to wake up and realize that they're being unfair, yes. But >everyone else needs to wake up and realize that being unfair right back is >disgusting, racist and sexist. > >Why can't we learn to treat everyone fairly, without generalizing? What >stupidity gene makes this so difficult? "I'd like to buy the world a >clue..." The word that is missing in this whole discourse is not the "B" word, or the "H" word, or even the "N" or "W" words. It is the "L" word - LOSER !! That's right. When we boil all the crap out of this argument, it is all about WINNING and LOSING, and nothing else. Let me explain. Remember the eighties ? No excuses. Nobody who can handle a mail buffer can claim they are "too young" to remember Ronald Reagan - yet. The eighties were about "How America Learned to Win Once Again". Then (wouldn't you know), we won so well that there was nothing left to win. No Cold War to endure. No nuclear holocaust. No more worlds to conquer (We forgot about outer space long ago). The kind of overwhelming, no holds barred success that killed Alexander the Great. Yes, there were a few "little" problems along the way - stock market meltdown here, an S&L bailout there, a few revolts and crazy Middle Eastern dictators to contend with, but as Tacitus would tell ya', the God Augustus never had it so good. In the meantime, there is guilt for winning, maybe a fear that one doesn't deserve one's bounty - or success. So there is a "kinder and gentler type of politician these days, Bill Clinton, affirmative action, and lots of discourse about people who "don't get it". For those of us in the winning business, this kind of talk is mildly irritating, but there is still no suggestion of losing. But what do we find now ? To put it mildy, the stereotype of our "white male" non-winner is Woody Hayes in the Rose Bowl, punching out photojournalists when those California fruits and nuts steal another one with a "Hail Mary" pass in the Fourth Quarter. (The whole idea behind 'three yards and a cloud of dust' is to wear your opponent down until he collapses in the final period) But Woody just used his fists - Uzzies seem to be the weapon of choice these days. Who is D-FENS, anyway ? The answer is as plain as the horn rims on your face. The guy is MICHAEL DOUGLAS, posing as a LOSER. This is known as controversial casting. But that baggy short-sleeved white shirt sure does look natural on Mike doesn't it. Gordon Gekko will never look the same. (Though Woody always dressed that way.) Did we really expect Gekko to take it easy and enjoy that kind of wardrobe, without putting up a fuss ? What we are starting to lose sight of is, that bashing D-FENS is the same game as bashing that poor African American slug that Clint Eastwood used to blow away all the time. As that arch-WASP (male gender) George C. Scott declaimed, "Americans traditionally LOVE TO WIN. They love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser." And so on. The political implications are simple. If, as many socialists - and Democrats - do, you consider society a finite pie to a apportioned in some "equitable" way, then you have to worry about who is a winner and who is a loser to tell whose side you are on. That could be black women today, Asian homosexuals tommorrow, and yes indeed, white men some yet to be determined day when the balance of the pie has finally swung against that (39%) minority. Or you can just blow the whole thing off and say - as do most conservatives and all the libertarians - and act is if you didn't care who's winning and who's losing. In some cases, you might say something about make sure the game is fair (equality of opportunity, not of condition). In the latter case, you might be able to identify yourself as a "neoconservative" or a "neoliberal" depending on how much you want to limit the pot. Either way you go, the way of the Winner is no longer the way to be popular - at least after you graduate from High School (but you'll still be popular at High School reunions). But it beats being a Nerd, as I would imagine Michael Douglas would now agree, and in the long run, it is the only way to go. (Even in Hollywood, which treats Losers worse than any other place in America except for New York and Washington, D.C. - and even in Columbus, Ohio, which produced Alex Keaton, but no champion football teams in the eighties and the first quarter of the nineties) I'd like to see more Winners in this society, regardless of race, gender, religious preference, and sexual orientation. Maybe we should even let a few more of them be white men !! (We should DEFINITELY let the Buckeyes win the Rose Bowl someday) Bill R. -- "The only proposals in the Senate that I "My opinions do not represent have seen fit to mention are particularly those of my employer or praiseworthy or particularly scandalous ones. any government agency." It seems to me that the historian's foremost - Bill Riggs duty is to ensure that virtue is remembered, and to deter evil words and deeds with the fear of posterity's damnation." - Tacitus, _Annals_ III. 65	18talk.politics.misc
In article <X3XZ2B2w165w@vllyoak.resun.com> jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes: >I have found a kit advertised for lowering the front end of an early >mustang. Installation envolves moving the upper A-arm and installation >of a wedge shaped spacer between the A-arm and ball joint. Apparently, >Shelby Mustangs did a similair modification, but left out the spacer. > >I would be interested in feedback, pro or con, on such a modification. I'm no mustang head, but don't the early ones have a simple strut suspension (that is, with no upper A-arm)? Just a strut going down to a lower control arm (single bushing: not an A-arm), with a tension/compression rod locating it in the forward/backward direction? Anyway, simple strut suspensions like this can be lowered just by using shorter springs, cutting the springs, lowering the spring perch or shortening the strut below the perch. In each of these cases, the suspension geometry will suffer because the lower control arms will not be at the intended angle. A spacer placed between control arm and the bottom of the strut (roughly the height of the reduction) will restore the suspension geometry. IMHO, the kit that includes the spacer is the only way to go... --Ken -- Ken R. Dye an optimist is a guy \| Lachman Technology, Inc., Chicago that has never had \| (708) 505-9555 x341 much experience \| dye@lachman.com archy \|	7rec.autos
Heard last night that Paul Kuryia will be playing for the Canadian World Hockey team this year. He was on a local radio station when a friend of the familty called to congratulate him on the invitation. Meekly Paul told the host that he didn't think they wanted it out yet. This morning I heard that he is destined to play on a line with Lindros and Recci{unsure of this one}. If he plays well in this arena, he could go #1 or 2 in the draft.	10rec.sport.hockey
[In response to some of the discussions on the Sabbath, Andrew Byler commented that if we really followed sola scriptura we would worship on Saturday -- the change to Sunday was a law made by the Church, and we don't acknowledge its authority to make laws. I noted that Protestants do not consider Sunday worship a law. --clh] He was not referring to the FAQ but to the five Sabbath Admissions posted on the bible study group. This is what prompted someone to send the FAQ to me. > The argument against the Sabbath is > that it is part of the ceremonial law, and like the rest of the n> ceremonial law is not binding on Christians. You cannot show, from scripture, that the weekly Sabbath is part of the ceremonial laws. Before you post a text in reply investigate its context. > If you accept that > the Sabbath is not binding on Christians, then the day of worship > falls into the category of items on which individual Christians or > (since worship is by its nature a group activity) churches are free to > decide. > Can the churches also decide what is and is not sin? Interesting. Where there is no divine imperative of course we must establish rules of operation. But we cannot be as creative with what God has explicitly spoken on. Darius [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law, and worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on the hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on Monday, you will probably worship alone... --clh]	15soc.religion.christian
In article <1993Apr29.162132.28366@hemlock.cray.com> bobo@thejester.cray.com (Bob Kierski) writes: > > >There are a number of Philosophical questions that I would like to ask: > >1) If we encounter a life form during our space exploration, how do we >determine if we should capture it, imprison it, and then discect it? > Analog SF magazine did an article on a similar subject quite a few years ago. The question was, if an alien spacecraft landed in Washington, D.C., what was the proper organization to deal with it: The State Department (alien ambassadors), the Defense Department (alien invaders), the Immigration and Naturalization Service (illegal aliens), the Department of the Interior (new non-human species), etc. It was very much a question of our perception of the aliens, not of anything intrinsic in their nature. The bibliography for the article cited a philosophical paper (the name and author of which I sadly forget; I believe the author was Italian) on what constitutes a legal and/or moral person, i.e., a being entitled to the rights normally accorded to a person. The paper was quite interesting, as I recall. >2) If we encounter a civilization that is suffering economicly, will >we expend resources from earth to help them? > I think you'd have to be very careful here if the answer is yes. The human track record on helping those poor underpriveleged cultures (does underpriveleged mean not having enough priveleges?) is terrible. The usual result is the destruction or radical reorganization of the culture. This may not always be wrong, but that's the way to bet. >3) With all of the deseases we currently have that are deadly and undetectable, >what will be done to ensure that more new deadly deseases aren't brought >back, or that our deseases don't destroy life elsewhere? > >-- >Have a day, > > @ @ > ( ) bobo Doug Loss loss@husky.bloomu.edu	14sci.space
In article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes... >In article <ranck.253@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: >--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes: >-- >-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up >-->to the truck. >-- >--Yep, basic rule: Never expect or believe turn signals completely. >--Around here, and many other places, people just don't signal at all. >--And, sometimes the signals aren't working. Sometimes they get left on. > > The scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear- >lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I've learned that the only >reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once - >some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING >to occur in front of you :-). (It's not just the Dutch though) > > However I never realised how much I relied on this until I got >caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn't work AT ALL. Once >I'd sussed it out it wasn't so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but >it's a great way to find out that you've been following someone too >closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, 'cos that split >second can make all the difference (though it shouldn't be necessary, I >know), > >Owen. What used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear indicators. You'd see a single red light come on and think, "Now, is he stopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody _red_ rear indicators?" This being Survival 101, you have to assume he's braking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes out and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it's a bloody _red_ rear indicator. Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484	8rec.motorcycles
In article <C5I2HM.JwC@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes: >Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote: >& >& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which >& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less >& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction > >The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which >means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less >power. And less brakes. Bzzzt. The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS. I personally, and recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than- average rider aboard. He said it took two fingers on that measely single front disk to accomplish the task. How much more brake do you need? >As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will >still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are >very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the >annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect. I haven't gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven't had a problem with the 750SS being too slow. The limited steering lock can be a problem if you aren't prepared for it. The mirrors are very good, IMHO. Someone forgot to tell their designer about the "whazza behind you, she no matta" philosophy. >Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home >1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510 Hmmmm. I don't see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig. Did I miss something? Beth ================================================================= Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com 1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl" DoD #0384 1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat" FSSNOC #1843 1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 "I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged." -- ZZ Top =================================================================	8rec.motorcycles
Hello, Has anyone used the Requirements Analsys methodology Hatley & Pirbhai ? I am a British final year real-time degree student, and as a project I am covering this methodology. I would be very grateful to anyone who could give me their views on this method. Please mail me if you feel you can help, and I will send you my questions. Thanks in advance, David Phelps (nwz96h@chelt.ac.uk)	12sci.electronics
I've never had quicken but I did use MYM in it's early days. I have MS Money for Windows now and a financial planning package called Wealthbuilder by Reality Technologies and Money Magazine. P.S. I also do my taxes with Turbo Tax. All of these packages are good in their own way but none of them really support me in doing what I really need to do - manage my finances. The first company that comes along with a Windows based package that: manages budgets and accounts manages loans calculates taxes uses all of the above and knowledge about my investing philosophy to help me invest in the right investment vehicles, and integrates it all together will have my business for life. Ken khackbarth@attmail.com	2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
WANTED - 4 256K 60ns SIPS If you have any please tell me how much you want includding shipping.	6misc.forsale
In article <30964@galaxy.ucr.edu> raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu (Raffi R Kojian) writes: >Sedar, you seem to have your nationalities mixed up. When did YOU become >a spokesman for Kurds? Since your criminal grandparents ruthlessly exterminated more than 600,000 Kurds between 1914 and 1916 in Eastern Anatolia. Referring to notes from the personal diary of Russian General L. Odishe Liyetze on the Turkish front, he wrote, "On the nights 11-12 March, 1918 alone Armenian butchers bayoneted and axed to death 3000 Muslims in areas surrounding Erzincan. These barbars threw their victims into pits, most likely dug according to their sinister plans to extinguish Muslims, in groups of 80. My adjutant counted and unearthed 200 such pits. This is an act against our world of civilization." On March 12, 1918 Lieut-colonel Griyaznof wrote (from an official Russian account of the Turkish genocide), "Roads leading to villages were littered with bayoneted torsos, dismembered joints and carved out organs of Muslim peasants... alas! mainly of women and children." Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara, 1987, pp. 45-53. "Document No: 77," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 10, Drawer No: 4, File No: 410, Section No: 1578, Contents No: 1-12, 1-18. (Acting Commander of Erzurum and Deveboynu regions and Commander of the Second Erzurum Artillery Regiment Prisoner of War, Lieutenant Colonel Toverdodleyov) "The things I have heard and seen during the two months, until the liberation of Erzurum by the Turks, have surpassed all the allegations concerning the vicious, degenerate characteristic of the Armenians. During the Russian occupation of Erzurum, no Armenian was permitted to approach the city and its environs. While the Commander of the First Army Corps, General Kaltiyin remained in power, troops including Armenian enlisted men, were not sent to the area. When the security measures were lifted, the Armenians began to attack Erzurum and its surroundings. Following the attacks came the plundering of the houses in the city and the villages and the murder of the owners of these houses...Plundering was widely committed by the soldiers. This plunder was mainly committed by Armenian soldiers who had remained in the rear during the war. One day, while passing through the streets on horseback, a group of soldiers including an Armenian soldier began to drag two old men of seventy years in a certain direction. The roads were covered with mud, and these people were dragging the two helpless Turks through the mud and dirt... It was understood later that all these were nothing but tricks and traps. The Turks who joined the gendarmarie soon changed their minds and withdrew. The reason was that most of the Turks who were on night patrol did not return, and no one knew what had happened to them. The Turks who had been sent outside the city for labour began to disappear also. Finally, the Court Martial which had been established for the trials of murderers and plunderers, began to liquidate itself for fear that they themselves would be punished. The incidents of murder and rape, which had decreased, began to occur more frequently. Sometime in January and February, a leading Turkish citizen Haci Bekir Efendi from Erzurum, was killed one night at his home. The Commander in Chief (Odiselidge) gave orders to find murderers within three days. The Commander in Chief has bitterly reminded the Armenian intellectuals that disobedience among the Armenian enlisted men had reached its highest point, that they had insulted and robbed the people and half of the Turks sent outside the city had not returned. ...We learnt the details this incident from the Commander-in-Chief, Odishelidge. They were as follows: The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and the act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades... More than eight hundred unarmed and defenceless Turks have been killed in Erzincan. Large holes were dug and the defenceless Turks were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the murdered Turks were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses: 'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten more Turks would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when the hole was full it would be covered over with soil. The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently fill a house with eighty Turks, and cut their heads off one by one. Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw towards Erzurum... The Armenian renegades among those who withdrew to Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and destroyed the entire population, together with the villages. During the transportation of the cannons, ammunition and the carriages that were outside the war area, certain people were hired among the Kurdish population to conduct the horse carriages. While the travellers were passing through Erzurum, the Armenians took advantage of the time when the Russian soldiers were in their dwellings and began to kill the Kurds they had hired. When the Russian soldiers heard the cries of the dying Kurds, they attempted to help them. However, the Armenians threatened the Russian soldiers by vowing that they would have the same fate if they intervened, and thus prevented them from acting. All these terrifying acts of slaughter were committed with hatred and loathing. Lieutenant Medivani from the Russian Army described an incident that he witnessed in Erzurum as follows: An Armenian had shot a Kurd. The Kurd fell down but did not die. The Armenian attempted to force the stick in his hand into the mouth of the dying Kurd. However, since the Kurd had firmly closed his jaws in his agony, the Armenian failed in his attempt. Having seen this, the Armenian ripped open the abdomen of the Kurd, disembowelled him, and finally killed him by stamping him with the iron heel of his boot. Odishelidge himself told us that all the Turks who could not escape from the village of Ilica were killed. Their heads had been cut off by axes. He also told us that he had seen thousands of murdered children. Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov, who passed through the village of Ilica, three weeks after the massacre told us the following: There were thousands of dead bodies hacked to pieces, on the roads. Every Armenian who happened to pass through these roads, cursed and spat on the corpses. In the courtyard of a mosque which was about 25x30 meter square, dead bodies were piled to a height of 140 centimeters. Among these corpses were men and women of every age, children and old people. The women's bodies had obvious marks of rape. The genitals of many girls were filled with gun-powder. A few educated Armenian girls, who worked as telephone operators for the Armenian troops were called by Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov to the courtyard of the mosque and he bitterly told them to be proud of what the Armenians had done. To the lieutenant colonel's disgusted amazement, the Armenian girls started to laugh and giggle, instead of being horrified. The lieutenant colonel had severely reprimanded those girls for their indecent behaviour. When he told the girls that the Armenians, including women, were generally more licentious than even the wildest animals, and that their indecent and shameful laughter was the most obvious evidence of their inhumanity and barbarity, before a scene that appalled even veteran soldiers, the Armenian girls finally remembered their sense of shame and claimed they had laughed because they were nervous. An Armenian contractor at the Alaca Communication zone command narrated the following incident which took place on February 20: The Armenians had nailed a Turkish women to the wall. They had cut out the women's heart and placed the heart on top of her head. The great massacre in Erzurum began on February 7... The enlisted men of the artillery division caught and stripped 270 people. Then they took these people into the bath to satisfy their lusts. 100 people among this group were able to save their lives as the result of my decisive attempts. The others, the Armenians claimed, were released when they learnt that I understood what was going on. Among those who organized this treacherous act was the envoy to the Armenian officers, Karagodaviev. Today, some Turks were murdered on the streets. On February 12, some Armenians have shot more than ten innocent Moslems. The Russian soldiers who attempted to save these people were threatened with death. Meanwhile I imprisoned an Armenian for murdering an innocent Turk. When an Armenian officer told an Armenian murderer that he would be hanged for his crime, the killer shouted furiously: 'How dare you hang an Armenian for killing a Turk?' In Erzurum, the Armenians burned down the Turkish market. On February 17, I heard that the entire population of Tepekoy village, situated within the artillery area, had been totally annihilated. On the same day when Antranik entered Erzurum, I reported the massacre to him, and asked him to track down the perpetrators of this horrible act. However no result was achieved. In the villages whose inhabitants had been massacred, there was a natural silence. On the night of 26/27 February, the Armenians deceived the Russians, perpetrated a massacre and escaped for fear of the Turkish soldiers. Later, it was understood that this massacre had been based upon a method organized and planned in a circular. The population had been herded in a certain place and then killed one by one. The number of murders committed on that night reached three thousand. It was the Armenians who bragged to about the details of the massacre. The Armenians fighting against the Turkish soldiers were so few in number and so cowardly that they could not even withstand the Turkish soldiers who consisted of only five hundred people and two cannons, for one night, and ran away. The leading Armenians of the community could have prevented this massacre. However, the Armenian intellectuals had shared the same ideas with the renegades in this massacre, just as in all the others. The lower classes within the Armenian community have always obeyed the orders of the leading Armenian figures and commanders. I do not like to give the impression that all Armenian intellectuals were accessories to these murders. No, for there were people who opposed the Armenians for such actions, since they understood that it would yield no result. However, such people were only a minority. Furthermore, such people were considered as traitors to the Armenian cause. Some have seemingly opposed the Armenian murders but have supported the massacres secretly. Some, on the other hand, preferred to remain silent. There were certain others, who, when accused by the Russians of infamy, would say the following: 'You are Russians. You can never understand the Armenian cause.' The Armenians had a conscience. They would commit massacres and then would flee in fear of the Turkish soldiers. The incidents that occurred only recently clearly manifest the real nature of the Armenian ideology. Nothing which is already done can be undone." Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)	17talk.politics.mideast
In article bjg@acsc.com, dev@hollywood.acsc.com () writes: > >Will there be any support for round or circular widgets in Motif's next >release?. I'd love to have a circular knob widget which could be used >instead of a slider. How much support do you need? I don't think there's anything that prohibits you from implementing such a widget, though you will have to write your own versions of the functions that draw the 3D shadow and traversal highlighting. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com	5comp.windows.x
In <kmr4.1576.734879396@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >In article <1qj9gq$mg7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>Is good logic better than bad? Is good science better than bad? > By definition. > great - good - okay - bad - horrible > << better > worse >> > Good is defined as being better than bad. >--- How do we come up with this setup? Is this subjective, if enough people agreed we could switch the order? Isn't this defining one unknown thing by another? That is, good is that which is better than bad, and bad is that which is worse than good? Circular? MAC > Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. > -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb "...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs." Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits.	0alt.atheism
In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >\|> >\|> >\|> However, one highly biased account (as well as possibly internally >\|> inconsistent) written over 2 mellenia ago, in a dead language, by fanatic >\|> devotees of the creature in question which is not supported by other more >\|> objective sources and isnt even accepted by those who's messiah this creature >\|> was supposed to be, doesn't convince me in the slightest, especially when many >\|> of the current day devotees appear brainwashed into believing this pile of >\|> guano... > > Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring > to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if > you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and > well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian, > who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts > are very much in harmony. Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical scholar I mean an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let the chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may otherwise be defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find. They are not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others). Why an insert? Read it - I have, a number of times. The passage is glaringly out of context, and Josephus, a superb writer, had no such problem elsewhere in his work. The passage has nothing to do with the subject matter in which it lies. It suddenly appears and then just as quickly disappears. Until you can demonstrate how and why the scholarly community is wrong about the Josephus insert, your "proof" is meaningless and it should not be repeated here. What's more, even if Josephus happened to be legitimate, it would "prove" nothing. Scholars speak of the "weight of evidence." Far more independent evidence would be required to validate your claim. Until forthcoming, your belief is based on faith. That's OK, but you exceed your rights when you pass faith off as fact. As for the gospels, there are parallels, but there are also glaring inconsistencies and contradictions. Shouldn't a perfect canon be perfect? Shouldn't there be absolutely no room for debate? I suggest you read _Gospel Fictions_ by Randel Helms, and _The Unauthorized Version_ by Robin Fox (for Herb Huston, no known kinship or familial relationship, but we do indeed share an evolutionary ancestry). The fact that there are inconsistencies, gaps and contradictions does not deny your position. On the other hand, neither do the gospels "prove" your faith. Independent evidence is necessary, and I know of none (which we have already discussed, and so far you have not provided any). Until then, its faith. Moreover, you have committed a fundamental error in logic. You have attempted to "prove" your claim with that which you want to prove. Its no different than saying "I am right because I say so." Your logic is full of circles. It reminds me a bit of the 1910 Presbyterian General Assembly. The assembly defined five fundamentals (this is where "fundamentalist" came from) of orthodox Protestant Christianity, to wit: 1) Jesus performed miracles, 2) Jesus was born of a virgin, 3) Jesus was bodily resurrected, 4) Jesus' crucifixion atoned for human sin, and - here is the clincher - 5) the bible is the inerrant word of God. Presbyterians construe "inerrant" broadly as spritually inerrant. Fundamentalists take the first four as literally true, and then validate them with a literally inerrant bible, which contains the first four, and which is the only thing known to contain the first four. Smoke and mirrors and wands and hand waving if ever there was! Its faith, Bill. You don't have any more or better truths than anyone else. Whatever works for you. Just don't foist it on others. Regards, Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota	19talk.religion.misc
an image of the moon has been caught in a weather satellite images of the earth. it appears in both the 0430-1500UT ir and visual images of the earth. the GIF images can be down loaded from vmd.cso.uiuc.edu and are named CI043015.GIF and CV043015.GIF for the IR and visual images respectively. pretty cool pictures; in the ir it's saturated but in the visual image details on the moon are viewable. the moon is not in the 1400UT images. george wm turner turner@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu	14sci.space
In article <C5rrtD.1Gz@agora.rain.com> jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) writes: > >What we need is a true privacy chip. For example, a real-time >voice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC. >Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international >business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans >it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, >Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the >NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist >stupidity. > Some countries have laws about importing crypto gear--I believe the U.S. does. Without a license the above scheme won't work (at least not legally) in such countries, including at least France and the U.S. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted.	11sci.crypt
I have a new monitor which I set up approximately 3-4 feet from where the AC power enters my house - at my fuse box. Is this safe for the monitor, or will/can the EMF emitted by the AC current eventually affect my monitor? If so, how, and is the damage permanent or would degaussing fix it? Thanks, Tom Catalino	3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Lord, I hope you don't Hoover was a pro! He was monstrous. Dan	16talk.politics.guns
I'll be spending this summer in Washington, DC working in Bowie, MD. Does anyone have a summer sublease that they'd like to unload? I'll be in the area from about May 7 - August 20. Please mail me any pertinent info at (kimgh@mentor.cc.purdue.edu). Thanks in advance, Gene	6misc.forsale
In article <C5rBHt.Fw4@athena.cs.uga.edu> hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: >In article <C5MuIw.AqC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >>If it were a sin to violate Sunday no one could >>ever be forgiven for that for Jesus never kept Sunday holy. He only >>recognized one day of the seven as holy. >Jesus also recognized other holy days, like the Passover. Acts 15 says >that no more should be layed on the Gentiles than that which is necessary. >The sabbath is not in the list, nor do any of the epistles instruct people >to keep the 7th day, while Christians were living among people who did not >keep the 7th day. It looks like that would have been a problem. >Instead, we have Scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike >(Romans 14:5) and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of >food we eat, Jewish holy days we keep, or _in regard to the sabbath. (Col. 2.) >>The >>question is "On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the >>fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?" >I don't think that the Sabbath, or any other command of the law is totally >irrelevant to modern Christians, but what about Collosions 2, where it says >that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath? Why are you running away from the word of Jesus? Has somebody superseded the word of Jesus? If you don't follow the morality of the Ten Commandments and the Law and the Prophets and the word of Jesus, whose morality do you follow?	19talk.religion.misc
Nice little, really compact, cream colored, 1200 external modem. Good for the mac or ibm. I will throw in a cable for an extra $5 or so. If you are interested email me an offer. khoh@usc.edu	6misc.forsale
To: ashwin@cc.gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram) AR>Does the "Thermoscan" instrument really work? It is supposed to give you a ABSOLUTELY! Ya don't have to do the other end! (it is accurate - but technique is important) cccbbs!rob.welder@uceng.uc.edu --- . QMPro 1.02 41-4771 . See?... It only hurts for a little while!	13sci.med
In article <C5usq4.Mpr@wybbs.mi.org> ken@wybbs.mi.org writes: >I'm not sure the modem would work ok in a basic system, but it clearly does >not work in a multi port system like mine. Since my time is worth more >than the aggravation or the cost of the modem, I gave it to a local >charitable organization (with a description of my problem) and ordered >a Practical Peripherals 14.4MT from PC Connection. >For $30 more, I have a solid external modem built by a company I know >will support their users and sold by a company (based on personal >experience) will treat me right if there is a problem. I should have >known better... But, but, but... How does buying an external modem solve the problem of wanting more than 2 serial devices at once? And since the PC only supports two, why are you blaming a modem vendor for the problem? I don't see how your experience could have been different with any internal modem. Les Mikesell les@chinet.chi.il.us	3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Hi out there! Every command-line-shell-favourating user: Close your ears, ehm, eyes... I'm looking for a X file-manager which can be driven under TWM. Somebody told me last night, there is one under OpenWindows (and there certainly is one under MS-Windows :-#). But I'd like an X-one, you know, with icon's, click-and-drag, directory-structures shown in a graphic-layout, a paper-basket etc. ... Anybody got an idea? Please reply. _/ _/ _/_/_/ thSo - Thorsten Sommer, better known as: _/ _/ _/ Chiquita (Denn nur Chiquita ist Banane!) _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ e-mail: sommer@ips.cs.tu-bs.de _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Transform ... and roll out! (BigTruck - Transformers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------	5comp.windows.x
In article <CMM.0.90.2.734911642.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes: >Overall Crime rate: >It fell....just like that... Two questions: When was this, and do you have the relevant numbers. (Please note, this is not in any way an indication I don't believe you or that you're not correct, but when the drop occured is relevant.) >Acquiring weapons in Norway: >You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a >permit, and a good reason to get the permit.... >If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from >the police and to be a member of a gun-club. The primary objection (beyond ones based on the ideal of RKBA that it is simply not something the government should do) is that it makes guns a play-thing and tool of the rich and connected. It discriminates against the poor. Is self-defense considered appropriate, and if so, under what conditions? (Are you allowed, for instance to get a gun for protection if you're going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened.) >The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or >records of SERIOUS mental diseases. This has been suggested in the U.S., and generally supported among gun owners. What many object to is that many, if not most, proposals contain a sort of "gotcha" clause which allows an arbitrary denial, even if you qualify in every way. >Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun >-club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun. >It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? >You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... At this point, it should be pointed out that in general a driver's licence in the U.S. is for the most part nothing like its European counterpart. I understand getting one is far more difficult there than here. In the U.S. it's a joke. But my usual objection is that you're discussing two different things. For instance, in the U.S. a driver's license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road. It is not necessary to own one, or to operate it on private property. That is, the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the government's legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands. A permit to own an automobile, for instance, which is far closer an analogy, would be a much harder thing to get past legally, since it wouldn't be based on making regulations on public property, but in restricting activity on private property. >Use of guns in crimes (in Norway): >Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms' >for a long time, but these are rather the exeption. >Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short >time befor the crime. > >Use of knives: >It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. >You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open >in public -rigth ?? This varies widely. (One thing I think Europeans have a difficult time with is that the U.S. has fifty unique jurisdictions, where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in Europe to another). Some places allow open carry of both guns and knives. Some allow concealed. Some prohibit both, or allow one or the other. And it can be either a state or local restriciton. >Individual vs masses: >Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some >extent.... >Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? >What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of >all the others ?? The question must be asked: Is the right of this individual affecting the rights of this other individual. What we usually get is that the rights of this group (meaning some individuals within this group, here defined as "people who own guns,") are adversely affecting the rights of some other group. If for instance, "Bob" were using his gun to attack "Steve," you'd have a point. But essentially what we're discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group "people who own guns" then some third person, perhaps in another time zone is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody else's rights. It's like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one. >The issue: >I believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation. The issue is crime, violence, and murder. The question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those. >We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one.... >IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. >But should it have to be like that ?? Of course not. It would be nice if we didn't have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us. But currently we don't have that option. Nor do I expect we will. >Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? No state does. In any case, there's a limit to which the state may enforce it's "wisdom" on me. Freedom in general is an unwise concept. If you pre-emptively restrict everything which might be "unwise" then freedom becomes a meaningless concept. >If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think >it should be free to buy guns ?? I'll raise my hand against driver's licenses. As currently implemented they're a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the State and ignored by a startling number of drivers. It does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed, or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car. But, as I mentioned, they're two different things. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al"	16talk.politics.guns
What worked for me on my RD350 was to lean towards the dog as I modulated throttle to keep my ankle just ahead of his teeth. After a few seconds of warm pipe firmly wedged on his shoulder he turned his face sideways to see what was so warm and got his mouth/nose/muzzle burned on the pipes. One yip and he veered away, never to chase me again. Neil Kirby DoD #0783 nak@archie.cbusa.att.com AT&T Bell Labs Columbus OH USA (614) 860-5304 If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.	8rec.motorcycles
In article <6040@osc.COM> Joe Keane <jgk@osc.com> writes: :As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk. The reason is, :without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random :bits. I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is :pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need. Sounds like a useful program - interested in posting it to alt.sources? G	11sci.crypt
OFM Comments: >[The only problem with this is that Jesus does use hell as a threat. >He doesn't sound like some of the more extreme fire and brimstone >preachers, and I don't think he wants people to live in abject fear. >But he talks a lot about people being found unworthy, and mentions >hell a number of times. I agree that it might be more pleasant to >think that it doesn't exist. I certainly don't agree that God is some >sort of sadist who tortures people forever. But I am very much afraid >that there really is a life and death spiritual struggle going on, and >that it is possible for people to lose in a serious way. --clh] No disagreement at all that there is a VERY serious struggle going on. But Jesus more typically uses consequences as a threat. That's quite different from Hell Classic (TM). :-) Jesus doesn't sound like the usual hell-fire type of preacher. He attracts people through what he does. And the stongest example in Jesus preaching is in the parable of Lazarus and Dives, which is a parable! In any case, my point is that a fear-based response to Christ is not a freeing, life-affirming choice and isn't Good News in a meaningful sense. There are plenty of good reasons to follow Jesus that have nothing to do with fear or a literal hell, that still pertain to overcoming in the present struggle between God and the Disloyal Opposition. A faith based in fear is not built on Rock, as we should found our faith, but on ice. If the fear were removed, there would BE no foundation. That's basically why it matters to me. I think we have many Christians that DON'T have a solid basis for relating to the living Incarnate God. I cannot be fully open to the working of God in and through my life if my response to God is motivated on fear. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com	15soc.religion.christian
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In article <horenC5LDuz.5sE@netcom.com>, horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen) writes: \|> \|> While I applaud investing of money in Yehuda, Shomron, v'Chevel-Azza, \|> in order to create jobs for their residents, I find it deplorable that \|> this has never been an active policy of any Israeli administration \|> since 1967, with regard to their Jewish residents. Past governments \|> found funds to subsidize cheap (read: affordable) housing and the \|> requisite infrastructure, but where was the investment for creating \|> industry (which would have generated income and jobs)? The investment was there in the form of huge tax breaks, and employer benfits. You are overlooking the difference that these could have made to any company. Part of the problem was that few industries were interested in political settling, as much as profit. \|> After 26 years, Yehuda and Shomron remain barren, bereft of even \|> middle-sized industries, and the Jewish settlements are sterile \|> "bedroom communities", havens for (in the main) Israelis (both \|> secular and religious) who work in Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem but \|> cannot afford to live in either city or their surrounding suburbs. True, which leads to the obvious question, should any investment have been made there at the taxpayer's expense. Obviously, the answer was and still is a resounding no. -- Shai Guday \| Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer \| Thinking Machines Corp. \| the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA \|	17talk.politics.mideast
In article <healta.183.735790222@saturn.wwc.edu> healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes: > I was asked to post list of the SDA Church's basic beliefs. The SDA >church has always been reluctant to formalize a creed in the usual sense of >word. However, the powers that be in the church deemed it neccessary to >publish a summary of basic SDA beliefs. May I ask why they are afraid to do so? --- Speaking of proofs of God, the funniest one I have ever seen was in a term paper handed in by a freshman. She wrote, "God must exist, because he wouldn't be so mean as to make me believe he exists if he really doesn't!" Is this argument really so much worse than the ontological proofs of the existence of God provided by Anselm and Descartes, among others? Raymond Smullyan [From "5,000 B.C. and Other Philosophical Fantasies".]	0alt.atheism
I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway), there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal - the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it takes a while). If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter, why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when you "need" it. Just some ideas. Can't guarantee what'll work or not, but hope at least SOME of this helped.	12sci.electronics
In article <1993Apr20.054308.15985@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes: >In <strnlghtC5p7zp.3zM@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >:In article <Apr18.194927.17048@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> >:holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > >:>Note that measures to protect yourself from >:>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. > >:I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially. >:Even Macs. > >Sure you can buy a TEMPEST approved Mac -- if you have enough >money. I haven't had any reason to look at this type of pricing >for about 10 years, but a TEMPEST rating in 1982 would raise the >price of a $2,495.00 Radio Shack Model III to something around >$15,000.00. > Or just dig a deep enough hole in the ground. 50 feet should do it. -- redsonja@olias.linet.org \\\RS/// Self possession is 9/10 of the law. Alien: "We control the laws of nature!" \| "How come when it's human, it's an Joel: "And you still dress that way?" \| abortion, but when it's a chicken, (MST3K#17 - Gamera vs Guiron) \| it's an omelet?" - George Carlin	11sci.crypt
In article <1993Apr3.221837.2324@news.duc.auburn.edu> bixledn@eng.auburn.edu writes: >In article 16193@cbnews.cb.att.com, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >> No, you haven't read it very closely . It says you may answer "No" if your >> civil rights have been restored; that can be done either by the feds' or a >> a state. I think the feds stopped doing this for those convicted of violent >> felonies. At least a dozen states still restore a felons civil rights, some >> immediately upon release, some after a waiting period. I will post a list >> of the states later. >> > > A quick question, then Larry, If a person's civil rights have been restored, > then are they still considered a felon? Good question; I don't know what the law considers them. > IMO, if rights have been restored, then it makes sense to me that the > record of the felony, and everything else has been purged, and the > person in question is no longer a felon. I believe this is what happens in some states. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com	16talk.politics.guns
In article <BRADSKI.93Apr15210934@retina.bu.edu> bradski@retina.bu.edu (Gary Bradski) writes: >>>>>> On 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) said: > >>> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. >>> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet >>> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. > ^^^ >The Syrians? Iranian agents? Or just Israeli invaders? >-- >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ --------------- >Gary Bradski I'net: bradski@park.bu.edu \| reverberate \| >Cognitive and Neural Systems --------------- >Boston University. \| V V >111 Cummington St, Boston MA 02215 ^ Y >617/ 353-6426 ^ ^ \| > -------------- > I don't even agree with some of my opinions \| or die! \| >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -------------- > I did say any invader, didn't I? What do you want from me, perhaps a neural net design with all countries involved in Lebanon as its nodes? :-) (You are in Cognitive and Neural Systems) If that's the case, I would put different weights for each country in my net.	17talk.politics.mideast
stange@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes: >Phil, your point is well taken. It is still a sad idea. I'm worried by the concern about it though, for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with Space Advertising (which for a number of reasons is probably doomed to fail on financial grounds). (And I've been reading and (and writing) this thread since way back when it was only on sci.space). For starters, I don't think the piece of light-pollution apparatus would be as bright as the full moon. _That_ seems to me to be a bit of propaganda on the part of opponents, or wishful thinking on the part of proponents. Second, this charge of ruining the night sky permanently has been levelled against other projects, that either 1) don't increace light pollution significantly, or 2) increace light pollution only over the target area. You may or may not recognize #1 as being Solar Power Sattelites. I think it was Josh Hopkins who actually did the math, showing that SPS's weren't that bright after all, ending some two months of frenzied opposition on the part of dark-sky activists and various other types. #2 is mainly projects like the orbiting mirror the CIS tested recently. While slightly more worrisome, I'd like to point out that any significant scattering of light outside the target area for one of these mirrors would be wasted as far as the project would be concerned, and something any project like that would work against anyway. And given some of the likely targets, I don't think there's going to be much of an outcry from the inhabitants. There is too much dark sky in the northern CIS during the winter, and I doubt you'll find many activists in Murmansk demanding the "natural" sky back. If anything, he'll probably be inside, stripped buck naked in front of the UV lamp, making sure he'll get enough vitamin D for the "day." The mirror experiments aren't something they're doing for crass advertising. They think that if they can build one, it'll be one of those things people in the affected areas will think they couldn't have lived without before. And I doubt anyone's going to really be able to convince them to stop. -- Phil Fraering \|"Number one good faith! You convert, pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu\|you not tortured by demons!" - anon. Mahen missionary	14sci.space
I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" episode that airs the week of May 31. It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting. Doug Loss	14sci.space
In article <1qmf6l$euh@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook) writes: >From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu: >> Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP! > >Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . . >look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence >for the font you want! > Thanks, I think I've figured it out now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \| Robert S. Dubinski \| Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I \| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \| Marquette University \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| Math / Computer Science Double-Major\| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \| Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu \| Milwaukee, WI \| ------------------------------------------------------------------------	2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David >Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading >he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his >chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting >Duke. I'd hardly call that "giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US"; the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still, it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke. Robert	16talk.politics.guns
In article <1r1aaaINNt3d@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cam@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Cameron Daly) writes: >I have a PB 100 that I might be selling soon to upgrade to a Duo before >graduation, to take advantage of the educational discount. To those who >have recently bought or sold a PB 100, what kind of price did you get? >Info on any config of PB100 appreciated. Thanks. > >-- >Cam Daly Cam, Several months ago I bought a 4/40 PB100 with external floppy, AppleTalk Remote Access, a Kensington case and AC adapter with complete documentation and in almost new condition, used for US$900. I considered it a very good buy and am very cosy with my little baby now... :-) Murray -- Murray M. Altheim "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille, Instructional Consultant La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille CSU, Sacramento Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict altheimm@csus.edu Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."	4comp.sys.mac.hardware
Hi, I have a trident TVGA-8900 video card and need the updated drivers for Win3.1 where can I get them from an ftp site. Thanks BJ.	2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
In article <1993Apr20.142818.14969@ericsson.se> etxmst@sta.ericsson.se writes: >Hello netters! > >I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy >Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days. >This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore). >They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that, > 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more >insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he >didn't rent it from Alamo. > >Does anyone have some info on this? > >Is $225 a rip-off? No, that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city. >Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? Unless you have an accident, you won't need more. If you plan on paying for the car with a credit card, check and see if your card automatically covers rental cars. Also, your own auto insurance may cover rental cars also. Most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent, and require you to initial in several spots if you don't want it. The credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell. I have never rented from Alamo, so I don't know if they follow this same practice. >Is the beretta a good rental car? Yes. It is a compact 2-door, probably a bit dull performance and acceleration-wise, but very adequate. It will have an automatic transmission, AM/FM stereo, air conditioning, and possibly power windows and door locks. Joe -- Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. \| joes@telxon.com P.O. Box 5582 \| "Usenet is like Tetris for people who still Akron, OH 44334-0582 \| remember how to read." (216) 867-3700 x3522 \| -- J. Heller	7rec.autos
cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >I'll yield the discussion on absolute morality until I can think of another way >to discuss it. If you're interested in a change, here's an idea. >If morals come from what is societally accepted, why follow that? What right do >we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally mandated morality? >Pardon the extremism, but couldn't I murder your "brother" and say that I was >exercising my rights as I saw them, was doing what felt good, didn't want >anyone forcing their morality on me, or I don't follow your "morality" ? Yes, and then you can suffer the consequences in our collective decision to incarcerate you for that act. Morality is not a necessity for a functional collection of peoples, just a set of acceptable behaviours (is this the same thing?). There is no universal moral standard as there are many different situations in which collections of social organisms find themselves. Some species of bees see nothing wrong with kicking out a large number of male bees because they are being a burden on the food supplies of the colony. The bees die of course, but it was for the good of the colony as a whole, so was it immoral? Our society (at least our western one) is one of abundance when it comes to the basics; food, water and shelter. Therefore our moral standards are based upon those circumstances. Unfortunately we enforce our moral standards on collections of peoples who are not in similar situations, because we believe in some "universal morality". What I am saying is that, yes, you CAN still murder my sibling, but don't expect your peers to be impressed by it in our society. However in some other circumstances, it may actually be a "moral" thing to do (in which case it wouldn't be called murder, probably sacrifice). After the act, you could say what you liked, but you must make a conscious decision on whether or not your society will condone your act, so as to evaluate the consequences to yourself, including how you will feel about it (remember your feelings have been socially imbued). Jeff. I keep trying to write a book of ideas in two paragraphs and it just comes out disorganised garble!	0alt.atheism
Is it just me, or has this part gotten beyond useful? Gregg is not, as I understand his posts, giving any support to the bounty on Rushdie's life. If that's correct, end of one point... Gregg is using the concept of legal in a way most Westerners don't accept. His comments about Islamic Law I think make a great deal of sense to him, and are even making a _little_ sense to me now - if a person is a member of a group (religion or whatever) they bind themselves to follow the ways of the group within the bounds of what the group requires as a minimum. The big bone of contention here that I'm picking up is that in the West we have secular governments that maintain, more or less, a level of control and of requirements outside the requirements of optional groups. I think the majority of us reading this thread are in tune (note - I didn't say "in agreement") with the idea that you are finally responsible to the secular government, and within that to the group or groups a person may have chosen. With that in mind, it not possible under secular law ("legally" as most people would define the term) to hold a person to a particular group once they decide to separate from it. Only if the secular authorities agree that there is a requirement of some sort (contractual, etc) is there any secular _enforcement_ allowed by a group to a group member or past group member. A religion can, and often does, believe in and require additional duties of a group member. And it can enforce the fulfillment of those duties in many ways - ostracism is common for example. But the limit comes when the enforcement would impose unwanted and/or unaccepted onus on a person _in conflict with secular law_. This is the difference. In a theocracy, the requirements of the secular authorities are, by definition, congruent with the religious authorities. Outside a theocracy, this is not _necessarily_ true. Religious requirements _may_ coincide or may not. Similiarly, religious consequences _may_ or may not coincide with secular consequences (if any). Regards, Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637	0alt.atheism
In article <dasmith.734719640@husc.harvard.edu> dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (David Smith) writes: >Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will improve these kids' chances >of getting another job in the future, but what inner city kid would want to hold >down just one more minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made >dealing drugs? What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made dealing drugs? Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids are incapable of doing legitimate work? -- ted frank \| thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu \| I'm sorry, the card says "Moops." the u of c law school \| standard disclaimers \|	18talk.politics.misc
>>: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus >: our use of the Ohms... > >I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. DAMN RIGHT it doesn't! Ohm's come from the greek letter omega, which is used for resistance/impedance. Of course, the original poster MAY have been being facetious (let's hope so). Mark Neidengard mneideng@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu	12sci.electronics
In article <May.12.04.30.10.1993.10089@athos.rutgers.edu> JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: >Gerry Palo wrote that there is nothing in Christianity that excludes >the theory of a succession of lives. > >I wrote that the Apostle Paul, in Romans 9, speaks of God as >choosing Jacob over Esau, and adds that this is not as a result of >anything that either child had done, since they had not been born >yet. > >Clearly, Paul does not believe that they had had previous lives, nor >does he suppose that his readers will believe it. For if they had >had previous lives, it would not make sense to say, "Neither of them >has done anything good or bad as yet, since they are not yet born." > Paul's statement only asserts that that particular choice was not a matter of karmic fulfillment of the past, just as the fate of the man born blind (John 9) was not. There is no question here of the simplistic idea of karma as a machine that is the sole determiner of one's destiny. Even the eastern traditions, or many of them, do not say that, as one knowledgeable poster pointed out. And if in fact that Paul did not know about or believe in reincarnation does not say anything one way or another about it. Even John the Baptist, who Jesus says emphatically is Elijah (Matt 11:14), does not appear to have been aware of it, at least at the point at which he was asked. But it is interesting that his threefold denial -- to the question whether he is the Christ, the Prophet (i.e. Isaiah), or Elijah, is emphatic in the first case and very weak in the third. I would like to add once again that, while it is important to discuss the different passages that may point directly to the teaching of repeated earth lives, one way or another, what I really see as important in our time is that the subject be revisited in terms of the larger view of Christianity and Christian doctrine. For the most part, those who do accept it either reject the central ideas of Christianity or, if they are Christians, hold their conviction as a kind of separate treasure. I believe that Christianity has important new understanding to bring to bear on it, and vice versa, much that is central to Christianity takes on entirely new dimensions of meaning in light of repeated earth lives. It has a direct bearing on many of the issues frequently discussed in this newsgroup in particular. I have said openly that I have developed my views of repeated earth lives largely from the work of Rudolf Steiner. Not that I hold him as an authority, but the whole picture of Christianity becomes clearer in light of these ideas. Steiner indicated that the old consciousness of reincar- nation necessarily had to fade away that it could be renewed in later times, after a time of development of the Christ idea through the first two millenia after Christ's deed on Golgotha. In our own time, it becomes important that, having received the basic gospel of salvation, our understanding of life and of the human being can now grow to embrace the significance of this idea. For the discussions in this newsgroup, I have tried to focus on that which can be related as directly as possible to scripture and to fundamental Christian teaching and tradition. Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)	15soc.religion.christian
In article <1r1rsiINNld@zephyr.grace.cri.nz>, srlnjal@grace.cri.nz writes: >Does anyone know of software that will allow >you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files >containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the >only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises. Corel Draw will do it; version 2 onwards. If you have version 1 perhaps an upgrade is in order. Another alternative would be to use a different bureau that can take PostScript. -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------	1comp.graphics
In article <15441@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: \|> # I reckon any man would go wildly promiscuous if presented with a \|> # huge variety of willing partners. The question here is not of being \|> \|> That, I suppose, says a lot about how screwed up you are. \|> Hey, Clayton, it's me again! I just love your arguments. They completely clinch each and _every_ one of your points! But then again, that, I suppose, says a lot about how screwed up your are. Hehe. I haven't had so much fun since I started blasting christians in alt.atheism! \|> # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! \|> # Xavier \|> \|> \|> -- \|> Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! \|> Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. -- +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ \| Adda Wainwright \| Does dim atal y llanw! 8o) \| \| eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk \| 8o) Mae .sig 'ma ar werth! \| +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+	18talk.politics.misc
Can anyone tell me where to find a MPEG viewer (either DOS or Windows). Thanks in advance. -- Alan M. Jackson Mail : ajackson@cch.cov.ac.uk Liverpool Football Club - Simply The Best "You'll Never Walk Alone"	1comp.graphics
In article <C5JDuo.K13@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: >Of course we can't hope (currently at least) to explain how or why >Kekule had the daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails. >Surely it wasn't the only daydream he had. What was special about >this one? Could it have had something to do with a perceived >analogy between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning >geometry of molecules? Is such analogical reasoning "extra-scientific"? >Or is it rather at the very heart of science (Perice's notion of abduction, >the use of models within and across disciplines)? Upon close examination, >is there a non-rational mystical leap taking place, or is it perhaps >closer to a formal (though often incomplete) analogy or model? I feel the need to repeat myself: Kekule's dream is a rather bad example of much of anything. Read Root-Bernstein's book on the history of the benzene ring. -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu	13sci.med
Don A.B. Lindbergh meinte am 15.04.93 zum Thema "Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor": DA> Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 DA> driver? Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the DA> menus) but it's a recently delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the DA> latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered if anyone else had seen this. No not at all. I'm using SS24X with BIOS 2.03 and driver from 13. Januar '93. I've never had any problems with the mouse cursor. Is there already a newer driver published? Greetings Sebastian Beer GIMME GUMMI - lass die Sau raus	2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
I'd say the subject line about covers it. I need a MC68881 Floating point Co-processor for my SUN 3 system. Please reply via Email if you've got one of these thingies that you'ld like to sell me. Thanks. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- \| Paul L. Moreau \| Storage Concepts Inc. \| \| Sr. Diagnostics Eng. \| 1622 Deere Ave \| \| Email: paulm@storcon.com \| Irvine, CA. 92714 \| \| Uucp: ..!storcon!paulm \| (714)852-8511, Fax (714)557-5064 \| ----------------------------------------------------------------	6misc.forsale
In a previous article, kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes: >In article <hcbC5un9L.DD0@netcom.com> hcb@netcom.com (H. C. Bowman) writes: >> >>I just bought a new portable CD player for the office, and I notice that >>it proudly proclaims "8 TIMES OVERSAMPLING" on the box. Now while I think >>I understand what oversampling is (the rate of discrete "samples" >>exceeds the highest frequency component of interest by some factor), >>I don't understand this "8 TIMES" business... It seems to me that when >>I bought my first CD player (was it REALLY 10 years ago?!), the specs >>said "4 TIMES" ... Could someone please tell me whether I'm getting >>senile? If I'm not, then what good does it do for the player to take >>samples at a higher rate? >The data is only ever read once (barring mistracks and such, of course), >and eventually gets turned into 44.1 KHz, 16 bit, two channel data. >Oversampling takes two discrete data points, and interpolates n-1 points >between them for n times oversampling. When I asked, people said that the >interpolation was not simply linear interpolation, but significantly more >complicated. You are quite correct in your understanding. The filtering is not interpolation, as that would distort the frequency content of the signal you are listening to. Generally, these players run the samples thru an all-pass filter network. I have done this for ECG waveforms from a person's heart, and the effect is rather spooky. It actually reconstructs peaks that weren't there (correctly, too!) and fills in the gaps with the properly computed values, just as if there had been a real sample taken at that point. I use a CPU to do all the math. It takes a decent (but not unreasonable) amount of CPU time to do this. You can keep up with things in realtime if you write efficient code. In case you care, the filtering method uses an FIR (finite impulse response) filter. I'd guess that CD makers use the same kind of method. Anybody out there know the real answer? I'd say that they use a tapped delay line with resistor/op-amp weighting to accomplish the filtering. This strikes me as the most cost effective method for volume production runs. >Anyway, then, the purpose of oversampling is to move the "effective" >sampling rate up to n times 44.1 KHz, in order to use higher frequency >antialiasing filters. For the same quality filter, higher oversampling >lets you build cheaper filters, whereas for the same price filter, higher >oversamplings lets you build better filters. So, assuming the quality of >all other components in a CD player remained the same, oversampling should >allow a manufacturer to produce _slightly_ better sound due to anti-alias >filtering. Actually, I think the only reason they do this is so that they can say that they have a marketting gimic. I would guess that it is acutally cheaper to filter an oversampled signal than not. You can use sloppier components and give the filter a roll-off that isn't so sharp. It's too bad that they charge more for something that (I think) is actually less costly to build. I seriously doubt that the filters cost the same but are better. They are built to a price spec, and that spec says "cheap as possible!". > ---Joel Kolstad -dave -- Dave McMahan mcmahan@netcom.com 37N 17.382 121W 59.190	12sci.electronics
In <C5x2xs.EF0@lerami.lerctr.org> merlin@lerami.lerctr.org (David Hayes) writes: >OK, Andrew, I'll provide some evidence. A friend of mine worked for an >electronics manufacturer on with a west-coast office. They routinely sold >equipment to the Japanese. One day, the Japanese started showing up with >discount demands that were amazingly close to the cost to manufacture the >products. >This company routinely sent most of the manufacturing data to the field >offices. The Japanese had simply intercepted it. So my friend, the computer >systems admin, came up with a solution. He started sending the data out >double-block-encrypted with DES. >Two days after this new distribution plan was implemented, the president of >the company got a visit from a pair of government agents. They told him to >"knock it off". The president gave in, since his company did a considerable >business with the federal government. >Now, if the government wasn't monitoring the communications, how would they >even know that the encryption system was installed? Further, since encryp- >tion isn't illegal, and DES certainly isn't, what is the basis of the >government's cease-and-desist demand? Something similar has happened to me - ages ago when we were working on PGP we used to send short messages about development issues or simply to test new features around. Now at this time PGP (and certainly the newer version) was unknown over here. Suddenly the admin at the site I was using received a request that I stop sending encrypted email. Now there is almost no way that some automatic scanner could have found this, since they wouldn't have known about PGP - they must have checked for unknown data types in the message, tried to unscramble it, found they couldn't get past the PEM armour part, and then contacted the sysadmin and asked me to stop. Luckily the current email carriers are less picky about what goes over their networks :-). In case people think email scanning doesn't take place, I can assure you that it is done regularly by many sites - usually not by government agencies (or at least not that I know of), but by local administrators who, for reasons of their own, have decided to monitor all communications (I'm sure you can all think of a whole mess of reasons - stop hackers/ terrorists/child pornographers/drug dealers/evil commies/whatever). There have been several occasions when I've got people into trouble simply by including the traditional NSA bait in a message (I don't try it any more now :-). A friend of mine was once picked up for mentioning the name of the UK town of Scunthorpe (hint: look for words embedded in it). I'm sure there are many more examples of this happening (in fact if anyone has any examples I'd appreciate hearing from them - I could use them as ammunition during talks on privacy issues). Peter. -- pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz\|\|p_gutmann@cs.aukuni.ac.nz\|\|gutmann_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz peterg@kcbbs.gen.nz\|\|peter@nacjack.gen.nz\|\|peter@phlarnschlorpht.nacjack.gen.nz (In order of preference - one of 'em's bound to work) -- Don't vote. You'll only encourage them --	11sci.crypt
Hello everyone. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have just been selected as part of the Reduction In Force here at Amdahl. For all that are currently in a dialog with me, or are waiting letters from me, I have saved your letters on floppy and will continue when I get back on the net from another account in the future. For those who are on the GEnie network, my email address there is: T.ROSE1 God Bless and Goodbye until then. If you want to continue dialogs with me via US MAIL, I can be contacted at: Tony Rose c/o JUDE 3 MISSIONS P.O. Box 1035 Felton, CA 95018	15soc.religion.christian
Wasn't the shareware fee a "suggestion" by John? Is so then it's up to the individual to make the choice whether or not to honour it and part with money. Personally if I was in his position I would do exactly the same thing, John has obviously put in lot of time and effort into xv and why shouldn't he receive some money for it. Just my pennies worth (Keep up the good work John) Julian -- NAME: Julian G. Self PHONE: +44 524 65201 ext 3141 EMAIL: julian@comp.lancs.ac.uk FAX: +44 524 381707 POST: University of Lancaster, Department of Computing, Engineering Building, Bailrigg, Lancaster, Lancashire, LA1 4YR, UNITED KINGDOM.	5comp.windows.x
In article <C5sEGz.Mwr@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: \|> \|> In order to reject the word of the FBI and BATF it is neccessary to beleive \|> the words of a man who has just murdered 17 children and ordered the \|> suicide/murder of his other 80 followers. According to the account given \|> the BATF attempted to serve a warrant upon Koresh at the ranch and were met \|> by gunfire in a deliberate attempt to murder them. The Koresh/gun supporter \|> claim that the BATF started shooting simply does not stand up. If the \|> AFT had gone there to start shooting they would have gone with heavier \|> grade weaponry than standard issue handguns. For all practical purposes \|> they were unarmed, the B-D followers had automatic weapons. \|> ... \|> The people who do not want gun control must obviously discount the entire \|> government story. This is simply rationalisation. It is not enough for \|> them to simply dismiss the government as incompetent. That would require \|> them to come up with a solution themselves. Instead they have to come \|> up with a government conspiracy theory whereby the government decided to \|> set out to murder 80 people just to set up some sort of scare to alow them \|> to get gun control legislation through. \|> I must object to the characterization of those opposed to the government's handling of the Waco situation as "gun supporters". Your argument tries to paint the BATF critics as right-wing gun nuts, and just mixes up two issues. I am one of the BATF/FBI critics, and yet I am a liberal and just as anti-gun as you are. I just happen to believe that everyone has civil rights, even religious crazies. They're all human beings, not some nest of wasps that you're trying to exterminate. The BATF created the crisis situation by the way they handled the original raid. It was well known that Koresh regularly went jogging outside his property. He could have been served with a search warrant then. He could have been arrested if he had refused to comply. Instead officers armed with grenades invaded the property. This escalated into a shooting war with tragic deaths on both sides. Those were the first two mistakes: the bad judgment of asking for a no-knock warrant, and the bad and probably illegal way the already-unwise warrant was served. At this point, the situation escalated to where it was described as an armed standoff and a hostage crisis. That's when the government started covering their traces, sealing the warrant, revising their reported history of the incident, etc. Things were already building up to disaster. Now the government could have simply closed the supply routes and waited. But according to Janet Reno, that option had "never been seriously considered". So, supposedly because the agents were "frustrated and fatigued", and because there supposedly were no backups, they felt they had to go in. Now it's entirely possible that Koresh was responsible for the fire. If that's so, he deserves the blame for the deaths of the people in his compound. But the government's hands are far from clean. Their first raid demonstrated bad judgment plus contempt for the 4th amendment. The motivations for the second raid are just too unbelievable. And their coverup of the events of the first raid undermines their credibility in anything they do thereafter. We have only some very biased FBI agents' word for what happened. And please let's not turn this into a pro-gun vs. anti-gun discussion. Anti-gun people do not believe that gun-owners deserve to get frontally assaulted by armed government agents. And Koresh's civil rights exist whether his guns were legal, illegal, illegal-but-should-have-been-legal, or whatever! -- Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641 IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598	18talk.politics.misc
According to a LoJack representative I saw recently, LoJack must be installed by an authorized LoJack dealer, and is placed in one of (roughly) 30 spots in the car... >Thanks, >Steve M. att.com!mantic!srmal Sure, Aviad	7rec.autos
A silly question: I frequently edit small files and need to make copies of them on several floppy diskettes of the same size and format, but my computer is only equipped with one 3.5" HD drive and one 5.25" HD drive; can't I do the copying without swapping files temporarily to my hard disk (which is 99.9% full) using standard MSDOS 5.0 commands? I know diskcopy a: a: works but for small selections of files, xcopy a:*.txt a: does not! Maybe I'll have to write my own file copy command in C, but the idea does not amuse me. Thanks for your help. Francisco	3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Arthur Melnick posts an interesting first-hand message about his NEA algorithm. Though I have no reason to disbelieve anything he says, I want to clarify one point: He says he has no connection with the NSA. If he was part of an "NSA plot", of course he'd say that. Now I don't think he is. But the level of some discussion here is of that sort, and very quickly we reach the point where it's impossible to continue rationally discussing some issues. "I am not a crook" "Well, if you were, of course you'd say that" or the ever popular favorite: "Please prove the following negative." I don't know what to do with such messages, so I have taken to ignoring them. Comments? David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted.	11sci.crypt
In article <FOX.93Apr22002043@graphics.nyu.edu>, fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes: \|> \|> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of \|> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading \|> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 \|> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts \|> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum \|> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? \|> Just curious. \|> \|>I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the \|>split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us \|>who are less omnivorous. There is no "waste" in creating news \|>groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem \|>with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time \|>on this as it is. \|> Yes, but... shouldn't size of newsgroup be an issue? Sorry if this has been covered before, but comp.grahpics.animation get how much traffic per day? 50 articles? Maybe 70 on an extremely heavy day? I've been following this group for about four months now, and I don't recall ever seeing such a flood of posts that a split would be warranted. Just my 2 cents, Mitch------------------------------------>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu "Who doth render with 386sx-20 knoweth frustration."	1comp.graphics
<RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes: >In article <mssC5qrrz.91H@netcom.com>, mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) says: >> >>In article <93108.165218RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> : >>writes >>> >>>so you want to decrease players' salaries? >>> >>>so you want to increase owners' salaries? >>> >>>the two are equivalent. >>> >>>bob vesterman. >>> >> >>Only if you insist that the ticket prices cannot be adjusted downward. >>Or the taxes for the revenues to build the ballparks. Or the parking >>charges. Or the concession costs. Etc. >> >1) why would owners decrease ticket prices when they obviously get > lots of people to pay the price they're asking? >2) even assuming that you have some strange power to make the owners > decrease ticket prices, that does not decrease the tv contract. >bob vesterman. So what will happen when the tv contract runs out, considering networks have been losing money on it? Either ticket prices will go up, or someones salary will be cut, or perhaps the local community or merchindise could make up the difference. Baseball is probably facing a dramatic drop in income very soon, and someone will suffer (probably the fans from higher ticket prices, but definitely someone).	9rec.sport.baseball
In article <1r12bv$55e@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu (Donald Mackie) writes: > >FMGs who are not citizens are, like all aliens, in a difficult >situation. Only citizens get to vote here, so non-citizens are of >little or no interest to legislators. Also, the non-citizen may well >be in the middle of processing for resident alien status. There is a >stron sense that rocking the boat (eg. suing a residency program) >will delay the granting of that status, perhaps for ever. > One should be aware that foreign doctors admitted for training are ineligible to apply for resident alien status. In order to get the green card they have to return to their country and apply at the embassy there. Of course, many somehow get around this problem. Often it is by agreeing to practice in a town with a need and then the congressman from that district tacks a rider onto a bill saying "Dr. X will be allowed to have permanent residency in the US." A lot of bills in congress have such riders attached to them. Marrying a US citizen is the most common, although now they are even cracking down on that and trying to tell US citizens they must follow their spouse back to the Phillipines, or whereever. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP \| "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu \| it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------	13sci.med
In article <1993Apr21.113152.395@gems.vcu.edu> langford@gems.vcu.edu writes: >1) Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. > >2) Strong cryptography is "arms", according to the U.S. government (that's > why it's so hard to export). > >Therefore, we have a constituitional right to strong cryptography! Better, I think, is our right peacably to assemble. I have a right to meet you in a park and talk privately. I have a right to see if anyone is nearby, listening. In cyberspace, cryptography gives us a right to assemble with control over who overhears us. -- - <<Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, of course.>> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488	11sci.crypt

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