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>Michael Collingridge writes:
>
>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.
>
>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
>Pittsburgh?
>
>Mom.
Rick Tocchet was captain of the Flyers for several years before he was
traded to the Pens...
-John Santore
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Teflon? A contribution from the space program? Since the French were using
Teflon on household items in the early 1950's, it is unlikely that it was
invented by NASA. As for pacemakers and calculators, again those are
anecdotally connected with NASA.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
| 14sci.space |
In article <Apr.19.05.13.48.1993.29266@athos.rutgers.edu>,
kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) wrote:
>
> Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote:
> Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence.
> This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God
> Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence,
> it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always
> existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence.
> This argument sounds like God does not exist, but meta-exists,
> and from His meta-existent perspective, He created existence.
> I think this is actually a nonsolution, a mere twist of words.
Always existing and being the source of the existence of all other beings
is not problematic.
But, as you put, Being the source of "all" existence, including one's own,
would mean that God came from nothing, a concept alien to Christianity and
Theism. It is better to understand the classical concepts of Necessary and
Contingent existence. God exists necessarily, always. God created
contingent beings. This is a coherent solution to existence, so long as
the concept of God is coherent.
> The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable
> of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not
> accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods.
Not a very good answer. If reason cannot by any means understand something
then it is likely that "it" is a null concept, something not in reality.
Ted Kalivoda
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1sn9lm$f2j@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <1993May11.013512.28407@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>>>
>>>So far, you have presented your opinions as opposed to mine. I would
>>>hardly take them as facts.
>>
>>Because you don't agree with them, hmm??
>
>No, because a fact and an opinion are two different things. What you are
>expressing here are opinions, not facts.
In the abstract, what you're saying is true. But the facts happen to
agree with me, and disagree completely with you.
>>>I could give you hundreds of words in my mother tongue (Spanish), that
>>>are comonly use and you will never find in a dictionary. Even more, I
>>>could show you a lot of meanings that words in Spanish have different
>>>from those in the dictionary.
>>
>>We're talking about the latter, not the former. And what you're talking
>>about is slang in the latter. That *clearly* has never been the case
>>here.
>
>No, I am not talking about slang. I am talking about different uses of the
>same language in different places.
Listen, Pinkas. I'm going to count on the supposition that you think
through the opinions you have - something which is, by the way, against
my better judgment based on what I've seen from you to date. We are
agreed, aren't we, that dictionaries are *reference books* for the usage
of a given language, and in particular for the meanings of the words and
phrases which comprise that language? Now, you are using meanings
completely different from, indeed in some cases diametrically different
from, those given in the dictionary. As a reference book, a dictionary
contains those meanings in both past and (as much as it can) in current
use. That's also why they are updated so often. Now, if you are saying
things which you give different meanings than the dictionary does, and
using non-standard meanings about every word, what is your chance of
being taken at face value...?
Just about none. Just about no one will take you that way because the
words mean something different to them. It's quite clear to me from
the response this thread has been getting that that is exactly what is
happening. Ponder that.
>>>And guess why. Isn't it curious that we do not know how many people define
>>>in how many different ways the term Jew, which is the basis of the movement
>>>itself?
>>
>>No, probably because the question hasn't been asked? Gee, I hate it
>>when people draw conclusions without information, don't you?
>
>I hate people who cannot read. I did not draw any conclusion. I just
>said that it is curious, considering how heterogeneous the movement is.
What you did was ask a leading question. In English idiom, the phrase
"and guess why..." in the way you used it is a loaded question, with
only one answer expected.
I also take offense at being told I cannot read by someone who is
obviously having trouble with the subject himself. Mr. Pinkas, I am a
PhD candidate in my field. One does not get to PhD candidacy if one
cannot read.
>
>>>the Law of Return and Jewish Nationality is defined in terms of religion and
>>>not of cultural identity, even if 80% of those defined as Jews in Isreal
>>>are not religious.
>>
>>For the umpteenth time: it is NOT defined in terms of religion.
>>This has been proven to you over and over again.
>
>No, it has not. The Law of Return defines a Jew as someone who has a
>Jewish mother and has not converted to another religion. That is
>pretty the same as the religious definition.
>
>
>
>>>That IS a problem. I am saying that I do not support Zionism as it is
>>>now. I believe that among the people in the Soviet Communist Party some
>>>might even had been inspired by noble ideals. Does that change the
>>>final results of what happened in the USSR?
>>
>>Are you now wishing to compare the USSR and Israel? Or what? Israel
>>does not practice cruelty.
>
>Now I understand. You are unable to make abstractions. You cannot
>get the idea from a text and you take everything literally.
>Bad thing.
Balderdash. You know this is false. I would be able to make the
abstraction if it bore any resemblance to the facts of the matter.
Yours did not. The analogy is utterly inapplicable.
I wouldn't be in the field I'm in -- astrophysics -- if I couldn't make
abstractions and speculate about the general grand scheme of things. I
also wouldn't be in education -- which I am (and my students give me
rather good reviews I'd add) -- if I couldn't draw such analogies.
>About Israel not practicing cruelty, ask those Palestinians in Israeli
>prisons, those who were tortured, those whose houses had been blown
>by the Army.
The vast majority of Palestinians in Israeli prisons aren't tortured,
and their houses weren't blown up by the army. In fact, you've seen me
protesting such measures ON THIS NET before. Are you now trying to
intimate my agreement with them?
>>>I never said it directly nor indirectly. I am not talking about individuals
>>>who defined themselves as zionists here. I am sure most of them are good,
>>>honest and caring people. I am talking about the results of the Zionist
>>>Movement.
>>
>>In other words, you are taking that as a monolith, and ignoring the
>>dissension within it, disagreement that is expressed freely, and is
>>widely based. Just as bad.
>
>Can you read or are you just typing at random?
Do you know the meanings of the words you use or do you expect the
reader to read your mind? I can read just fine thank you. And I don't
need someone who is obviously having some troubles with a tongue which
isn't his native one telling me how to read the words in my own native
tongue. If it were Spanish, I'd ask you.
>>>I am talking about a Movement whose actions resulted in a
>>>Law of Return with a religious definition of Jew, a country that defines
>>>nationality based on religion.
>>
>>Then you're not talking about the movement as it exists today, as I've
>>been trying to tell you. Please read the arguments I've given you! If
>>you can still say this after reading them you need to read them again.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> I am talking about something I consider
>>>a form of racism such as differenciation based on religious belief.
>>>After all, if Arabs in Israel cannot serve in the Army is becasue they
>>>were not born in the "right" religion.
>>
>>Arabs in Israel not only can but *DO* serve in the IDF. As you well
>>know.
>
>They can serve, it is true, but they are not allowed to do the all the
>same things as the Israeli citizens who happen to be Jews.
Yes, they are. As you well know.
>>
>>OK, fine. Now we know what you're talking about. But do you see my
>>point about how your words could easily have been taken differently?
>
>It is not "we", it was you as in the second person in singular, who cannot
>understand a text if things are not explicitly said.
Balderdash. See above. Once again, you have a lot of gall and
absolutely no right to lecture a native speaker of a language, who is
well educated in it, in a language which isn't your own native tongue
and with which you're obviously having problems.
>>>
>>>So, there is no difference between citizenship and nationality in Israel?
>>>Or what do you mean by "Actually, it doesn't"?
>>
>>I mean exactly that. Arab and Jewish citizens of Israel have the same
>>rights.
>
>If there is no difference between them, why keeping them in ID's?
>Better yet, are you going to tell me that there are no differences in
>social life between Arabs and Jews?
Social life is one thing, legal status is another. Once again, this is
a leading question.
>>>So, it follows a religious definition and not a cultural one. That is what
>>>I call a form of racism.
>>
>>No, because the Jewish religion and culture are intimately, inseparably
>>intertwined. If one renounces Judaism, one renounces Judaism.
>
>I do not believe that this is true.
Final question: Is it possible to be both Jewish and Muslim? Jewish
and Christian? Your response will be enlightening.
--
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>
swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote:
>I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that
>this board would be most appropriate.
>I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that
>are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders
>that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the
>actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called
>'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?
Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants
are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling
towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for
coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways.
Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when
its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network
of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling
and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the
hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than
just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is
rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently
seen rising out of these towers.
That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because
it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of
the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape.
The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam
system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the
boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across
the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and
by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it
back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference
(sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage "hot"
turbine to final stage "cold" turbine).
R. Tim Coslet
Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com
technology, n. domesticated natural phenomena
| 12sci.electronics |
I looking for someone with the schematics to a Technics 1200
turntable -- I need to get a hold of them as soon as possible
(by fax maybe?) or is there someone out there who has experienced:
- a platter that spins backwards slowly
- a strobe that goes out then flickers if the platter is
spinning?
Get in contact with me as soon as possible
cg132sad@icogsci1.ucsd.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
** Talaris Lazer printer, 16pg/min **
I have a lazer printer from Talaris that suppose to printer 16 pg / min.
I have never set it up to use because I did not expect it to be any bigger than
a lazerJet IIp, but I', wrong. It was purshase used when a company
liquidated it.
I will sale it for $350 + shipping.
Reply if interested/obo.
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Email: felicia@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
or phone/leave message 414-332-7657
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <philC5HsII.GFt@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
writes:
>Naw, I think you are. While both organizations may, on paper, support the
>abolition of the age of consent, there the resemblance stops.
>One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade
>to "legitimize" sexual relations with children.
I get it. One organization wants to abolish age of consent laws,
whereas in contrast the other wants to abolish age of consent laws.
This makes it respectable to belong to one organization, but not the
other.
--
Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University
gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <93122.142712CHANGJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <CHANGJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>Is there a tn3270 program which support xterm? I don't like x3270 at all. You
>can't copy with other windows. Thanks.
The x3270 at export.lcs.mit.edu supposedly does. I use another x3270
that was cleaned up by Brian Ward <ward@math.psu.edu> which adds better
color support, and cleans up _lots_ of bugs, as well as cut&paste.
I just put it on export.lcs.mit.edu, as x3270v2.65beta.tar.Z.
--Dave
--
System Administrator, Penn State Population Research Institute
End of article 2565 (of 2565)--what next? [npq]
| 5comp.windows.x |
In Turkish Genocide Apology <9304261739@zuma.UUCP> as scribed by its servile
dolt sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) we read a response to article <1993Apr26.
175246.24412@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) who
wrote:
[EP] This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net. The
[EP] statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand
[EP] Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads
[EP] during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen.
[(*] In Russia General Dro (the Butcher), the architect of the Turkish
[(*] genocide in WWI, was working closely with the German Secret
[(*] Service. He entered the war zone with his own men and acquired
[(*] important intelligence about the Soviets. His experience with
[(*] the Turkish genocide in x-Soviet Armenia made him an invaluable
[(*] source for the Germans.[2]
What a fool! For the above to be true, [which it is not] the WWI Russian
General Dro must have worked from his grave to assist x-Soviet Armenia.
Soviet Armenia became ex-Soviet Armenia in 1991 and Dro died in 1958! Then
Dro would have to travel back in time, while dead, from 1991 to WWII to help
Nazi Germany!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Hi there,
I am looking for a wide band analog time delay (not phase delay)
variable from 200 microseconds to 2 milliseconds.
Please reply via email to rrc@firga.sun.ac.za
| 12sci.electronics |
Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
Just curious.
Daemon
| 1comp.graphics |
Sorry if this is a FAQ but :
"Where can I get a 286 (16 bit) version of POV-Ray ? "
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I need the 286 version since Turbo Pascal won't let me run a 32 bit
program from within my program. Any info on this would also be a
great help.
Thanks,
Byron.
bkidd@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au
B.Kidd@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr22.184650.4833@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>isn't my real name, either. I'm actually Elvis. Or maybe a lemur; I
>sometimes have difficulty telling which is which.
definitely a lemur.
Elvis couldn't spell, just listen to any of his songs.
pat
| 14sci.space |
So if Potvin can pound on Dino, what happens when Dino pounds
on him? If Dino gets his legs slashed, can he slash Potvin
in return? This year at a UM-LSSU hockey game, a UM player
was called for a slash when he hit the goalie's glove with
his stick. Is that slashing, while hitting someone's ankles
isn't? How do the refs know what to call? Do the goalies
get more liberties than other players?
Brad
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Do the words "chilling effect" stimulate impulses within that
small collection of neurons you call a brain?
cpk
--
It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is?
Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid
of what he might grab hold of.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Mar28.200619.5371@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
>and may be a total disaster and that the Canadian model is preferable, a
>position with which I agree. The other is surprising sympathy for the
>physicians in all of this, to the effect that beating up on us won't
>help anything.
>
I'm not sure about that. Did you see the "poll" they took that showed
that most people thought physicians should be paid $80,000 per year
tops? That's all I make, but I doubt that most physicians are going
to work very hard for that kind of bread. Many wouldn't be able
to service their med school debts on that. Mike Royko had a good
column about it.
--
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| 13sci.med |
xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
No, it's not possible to countersteer either.
(for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!)
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'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055
'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245
Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28%
Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes...
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis)
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Mar31.181813.24122@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1pcgv5$oj9@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>>Because I want to get the lowest price possible, it's called capitalism.
>>
>>I have news for you -- capitalism is the practice of maximizing
>>profits.
>
>Same difference, if you lower your costs you increase your profits.
>
>>Personally I'm not at all bothered by the Saturn pricing scheme. If I
>>don't want to pay as much as they're selling it for, I can go buy a
>>different car from a different dealer and they get nothing. That's
>>competition for you. If the dealer can be competitive charging what
>>they do and making that kind of profit, that's capitalism at it's best
>>and more power to 'em.
>>
>
>I'd rather have the consumer dictate what things will cost not the
>dealers.
Sorry, but *neither* 'dictates' the cost. It's a negotiation.
Whether it's up front at a honda dealership in an all out
dickering war, or more removed on a larger economic scale
(ie, if saturn can't sell at it's price, the price drops,
or the company stops building them), it remains a negotiated
value controlled by market forces. To think that the consumer
controls price is ludicrous. If the consumer controled
price, then cars would be *free*...And no one would build
cars.
Regards, Charles
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
| 7rec.autos |
In article <Apr22.185314.14420@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes:
>1) I think that most of us can afford a stamp and an envelope, and the
>cost of printing out a letter.
>
>2) If some kind soul out there would write a letter, and upload it to
>the net, everyone could capture it, print it out, and snail-mail it
>out to their local congressional critter.
>
>BTW>> I'm working on one.
Send something to Rush Linbaugh about Clinton taking away our right
to privacy and how if the govt. standard takes off, only people with lots
of money (drug dealers) will be able to justify DES stuff. He will slam
Clinton for this on the air.
--Rob.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article 1rco2qINN91q@dns1.NMSU.Edu, loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) writes:
>
>The Denver Post (supposed voice of the supposed Rocky Mountain Empire)
>ran the following in the 'Firearms, Supplies' classified heading on
>Friday, 23 April 1993. If you have an opinion about their new found
>wisdom, I am told that the person to speak with is one Mr. Walters,
>(303)820-1267.
>
> Notice
>
> The Denver Post will no longer
> knowingly accept any advertise-
> ment to buy or sell assault weap-
> ons. The Denver Post finds that
> the use of assault weapons poses
> a threat to the health, safety, and
> security of its readers.
>
>Let 'em know what you think...
>
>--Dan
>--
>Spooksmoke: Revolution, Assasination, Thorium, Cobalt-60, Clintin, CIA, NSA, SHC
> DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu
> Send me something even YOU can't read...
>-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
>Version: 2.2
>
>mQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a
>1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M
>itf3uLt8Xn/v/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX
>tCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4=
>=S5ib
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I've seen lots of notes like these in various newspaper classified sections. But then
under Hunting or Sporting Goods or Outdoor or Collector's classifications, you
see things like, Colt AR15 .223 hunting rifle, or Galil .223 sporting arm...
stuff like that. The newspaper gets to make its editorial statement, plus they
get the revenue anyway...
| 16talk.politics.guns |
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
Dear Josh
I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions.
Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers.
1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards
identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S.
citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are
just trying to mislead the reader ? Do you know of any democratic
country where people are asked to reveal their ethnical or
religious identity to any public official who so requests ?
2. The answer to the second question is evasive. There are all
kinds of maps issued. They are not equivalent to State policy.
You did not respond to my question.
3. Your answer to the third question (Israeli nuclear arsenal) is
interesting. You say that Israeli 'probably' stocks nuclear
weapons. What evidence have you for maintaining that ?
4. My fourth question was answered by someone else who posted a
Ma'ariv article documenting such cases. I did not ask about cases
like Vanunu (everybody knew he was tried and imprisoned) but about
those about whom nobody even knows that they have been tried and
imprisoned.
5. Thanks for clarifying the question concerning the legal status
of the inhabitants of the occupied territories. From it I
understand that there are two sets of laws in these ares, one for
the occupier (civil law) and one for the occupied (military law).
The law allows Israeli Arabs to settle in Hebron, it seems. If so,
why doesn't it allow Hebron Arabs to settle in Israel ?
6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return
conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands
of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under
Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from
returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also
left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to
return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ?
Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge
somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in
his homeland ?
7. Somebody answered my 7.question regarding Y. Rabin signing an
order for ethnical cleansing in 1948. According to that
information, Y. Rabin signed the order for the expulsion of all
inhabitants of Lydda and Ramleh, about 50,000 people. These
expulsions were helped by massacres of civilians and other
atrocities which remind Bosnia. I was referred to a book by
Israeli journalist Benny Goodman called The Origin of the
Palestinian Refugee Problem, published by Cambridge University
Press. Is this book available in your library ?
8. You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in
Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very
little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many
Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are
not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want
Arabs ?
9. My question about the lack of civil marriage in Israel was
whether it is true that the Israeli legislator intended to
discourage intermarriage. You did not address this question but
evaded it by saying that the 'entire religious establishment wants
to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious
communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish
civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests
to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a
secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory.
I would be glad to have some more input from you after these
comments.
Elias
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
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The charter for misc.health.diabetes appears below.
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Charter:
misc.health.diabetes unmoderated
1. The purpose of misc.health.diabetes is to provide a forum for the
discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management, i.e.: diet,
activities, medicine schedules, blood glucose control, exercise,
medical breakthroughs, etc. This group addresses the issues of
management of both Type I (insulin dependent) and Type II (non-insulin
dependent) diabetes. Both technical discussions and general support
discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome.
2. Postings to misc.heath.diabetes are intended to be for discussion
purposes only, and are in no way to be construed as medical advice.
Diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision
by a primary health care physician.
-----(end of charter)-----
--
Steve Kirchoefer (202) 767-2862
Code 6851 kirchoefer@estd.nrl.navy.mil
Naval Research Laboratory Microwave Technology Branch
Washington, DC 20375-5000 Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr16.011653.7403@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
>
>As for Ryan, is his W-L better than Morris'? That's what a lot of voters
>tend to look at. And Morris *was* awfully good for a decade, and doesn't
>lead MLB history in walks allowed, either.
Despite walks and loses, Ryan deserves to be in the Hall of Fame (IMHO)
based only on his ho-hitters. The strike-out records are an extra.
What do people think about Andre "400 HR" Dawson for the HOF?
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mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the
>Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so
>(it would have discredited the Christians).
It is told in the Gospels that the Pharisees (sp.?) and scribes bribed
the Roman soldiers to say that the Diciples stole his body in the night.
Good enough excuse for the Jewish and Roman objectives (of that day).
--Clator
--lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I'm interested if anyone out here can point me towards a review of the
following book in any scholarly Christian journal, whether it be
conservative or liberal, Protestant or Catholic.
_The_Lost_Years_of_Jesus_ (documentary evidence for Jesus' 17 year
journey to the East), by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. Supposedly this
is a theory that was refuted in the past, and she has re-examined it.
I thought this was just another novel book, but I saw it listed as
a text for a class in religious studies here. Also, the endorsements seem
to come from some credible sources, so I'm wondering if scholars have
reviewed it (or anyone on the net, for that matter).
--
Rob Butera |
ECE Grad Student | "Only sick music makes money today"
Rice University |
Houston, TX 77054 | - Nietzsche, 1888
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr20.102306.882@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.062328.19776@bmerh85.bnr.ca>,
>dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
>> [...] Actually, I rather like your idea. Perhaps
>> the rest of the world should have bombed (or maybe missiled) Washington
>> when the US invaded Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Mexico, Hawaii,
>> or any number of other places.
>
>Wait a minute, Doug. I know you are better informed than that. The US
>has never invaded Nicaragua (as far as I know). We liberated Grenada
>[...]
"Liberate" is the way an invader describes an invasion, including, if
I'm not mistaken, the Iraqi liberation of Kuwait. Never invaded
Nicaragua? Only with more word games: can you say "send in the
Marines?"
>So if you mean by the word "invaded" some sort of military action where
>we cross someone's border, you are right 5 out of 6. But normally
>"invaded" carries a connotation of attacking an autonomous nation.
>(If some nation "invades" the U.S. Virgin Islands, would they be
>invading the Virgin Islands or the U.S.?) So from this point of
>view, your score falls to 2 out of 6 (Mexico, Panama).
Oh, good: word games. If you let the aggressor pick the words,
there's scarcely ever been a reprehensible military action.
>> What's a "peace-nik"? Is that somebody who *doesn't* masturbate
>> over "Guns'n'Ammo" or what? Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik?
>
>No, it's someone who believes in "peace-at-all-costs". In other words,
>a person who would have supported giving Hitler not only Austria and
>Czechoslakia, but Poland too if it could have averted the War. And one
>who would allow Hitler to wipe all *all* Jews, slavs, and political
>dissidents in areas he controlled as long as he left the rest of us alone.
That's a convenient technique, much seen on alt.atheism: define those
who disagree with you according to a straw-man extreme that matches
virtually nobody.
>"Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik," you ask? Well, it depends
>on what your values are. If you value life over liberty, peace over
>freedom, then I guess not. But if liberty and freedom mean more to you
>than life itself; if you'd rather die fighting for liberty than live
>under a tyrant's heel, then yes, it's "bad" to be a peace-nik.
Very noble and patriotic. I'm sure the fine young Americans who
carpet-bombed Iraqi infantry positions from over the horizon,
destroyed Iraq's sewer and water infrastructure from the safety of the
sky or further, or who bulldozed other Iraqi infantry into their
trenches [or more importantly the commanders who ordered them to] were
just thrilled to be risking death (if not risking it by much) in the
defense of the liberty of ... well, wealthy Kuwaitis. Can't have
those oil-fields under a tyrant's heel if that tyrant is antagonistic
to US interests...
>The problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are
>not like them to be "bad" and "unconscionable". I would not have any
>argument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and
>stayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with
>the national defense. But no, they are not willing to allow us to
>legitimately hold a different point-of-view.
Having pigeon-holed "peace-niks" (in this context, "people who
disagree with me about the conduct of the Gulf War") into
"peace-at-all-cost-hitler-supporting-genocide-abetting-wimps", you can
now express righteous indignation when "they" refuse to fit this mold
and question the conduct of the war on legitimate terms. HOW DARE
THEY!
>They militate and
>many times resort to violence all in the name of peace. (What rank
>hypocrisy!)
Yes, hypocrisy indeed! Those violent peace-niks! (Care to list an
example here?)
>All to stop we "warmongers" who are willing to stand up
>and defend our freedoms against tyrants, and who realize that to do
>so requires a strong national defense.
Wow: instant '80's nostalgia! [Of course, "peace-nik" itself is a
'50's Cold War derogatory term equating those who promote pacifism
with Godless Pinko Communists]. Yes indeed, I felt my freedoms
mightily threatened by Iraq...
--
Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC
These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <lsj4gnINNl6c@saltillo.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>-*-----
>I wrote:
>>> ... Or, to use a phrasing that I think is more accurate, science
>>> is the investigation of phenomena that avoids methods and reasoning
>>> that are known to be erroneous from past foul-ups.
>
>In article <C57Iu2.HBn@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> bd@psych.psy.uq.oz.au writes:
>> I can agree with this if you are talking about the less fundamental
>> aspects of scientific method. ...
> ...
>> ... In fact, I don't see the alternative, as I don't think that the
>> fundamentals are capable of experimental investigation. In saying
>> this I am agreeing with the work of people like Kuhn (1970),
>> Feyerabend (1981) and Lakatos (1972).
> ....
>While methodology cannot be subject to the same kind of "experimental
>investigation," as that to which it is applied, it *can* be critically
>appraised. Methodologies can be compared to each other, sometimes by
>the conflicting results they produce. This kind of critical appraisal
>and comparison, together with the inappropriateness of existing
>methodologies for new fields of study, is what drives the evolution of
>methodologies and how we think about them.
As usual, you are missing the whole point, Russell, because you are not
willing to even consider questionning your basic article of faith, which
is that science is merely a matter of methodology and that the highest
purpose of science is to avoid making mistakes.
This is like saying that the most important aspect of business management
is accurate bookkeeping.
If science were no more than methodology and not making mistakes, it
would be a poor thing indeed. What was the methodology of Darwin? What
was the methodology of Einstein? What was, for that matter, the
methodology of Jenner and Pasteur?
In an earlier article, Russell Turpin writes:
>None of the foregoing should be read as meaning that we should
>open the door to practitioners of quackery and psuedo-science.
>Modern advocates of homeopathy, chiropracty, and traditional
>Chinese medicine receive little respect because, for the most
>part, they use methods and reasoning that the kind of research
>Lee Lady recommends has shown to be terribly faulty. (This does
>*not* imply that all their treatments are ineffective. It *does*
>imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are
>incapable of discovering *which* treatments are effective and
>which are not.)
First of all, I think you are arguing against a straw man, because I
don't think that anyone here is arguing that quackery, pseudo-science,
homeopathy, chiropracty, and traditional Chinese medicine should be
accepted as science. I, in particular, think the basic ideas of
homeopathy and chiropracty seem extremely flaky.
What some of us do believe, however, is that some of these things
(including some of the flaky ideas) are deserving of serious scientific
attention.
If in fact it were true, as you have stated above, that those who do not
use the currently fashionable methodology can have no idea what is
effective and what is not, then science today would not exist. For all
of current science is based on the past work of scientists whose
methodology, by current standards, was seriously flawed.
It is certainly true that as methodology improves, we need to re-examine
those results derived in the past using less perfect methodologies. It is
also true that the results obtained by people today who still rely on
those early methodologies needs to be re-examined in a more rigorous
fashion by those qualified to do so credibly.
But to say that nobody who fails to do elaborate double-blind studies is
capable of knowing their ass from a hole in the ground and to say that no
ideas that come from outside the scientific establishment could possibly
be worthy of serious investigation ... this truly marks one's attitude as
doctrinaire, cultist. This attitude is not compatible with a belief in
reason.
--
In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems
less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects.
lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet
| 13sci.med |
bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas) writes:
>chess@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Vantuyl Chess) writes:
>> I just got a Duo 230, and I'm having some difficulties.
>>If the machine is plugged in to the wall adapter, put to sleep,
>>unplugged from the wall, and woken up, it crashes 75% of the time.
>>(There's nothing but the original system software on the machine.)
>>The battery has plenty of life - I think this must be a power manager
>>problem, but I don't know what to do about it.
>>Also, the speaker occasionally makes a high-pitched hiss. The noise
>>is irregular, but seems to favor sleep and restart commands.
>I've had my Duo 230 for a few weeks now and suffer from both
>of the above problems. I reinstalled my system software twice
>in an effort to combat the problems - thinking they were
>system software problems. Initially reinstalling the system
>seemed to help but not anymore. Occasionally when I try to
>wake up the Duo I get a solid screen of horizontal lines on
>the screen - it freezes.
>I also get the high-pitched hiss occasionally - but only at
>startup.
>I've called the apple hotline (800 SOS-APPL) three times
>already and finally they agreed something is astray after my
>Duo's screen would go dim and the hard drive spun down by
>itselft and put itself to sleep. This problem only occured
>twice. Apple sent me a box to ship my Duo to be looked at in
>New York but the problem now is intermittent and I can't
>afford to be without my Duo at this time.
>Anyone out there with these same problems?
>--
>Brian Cherkas * * bcherkas@netcom.com
> I
>AOL/BrianC22 \_/ compuserve/71251,3253
>Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
Yes, quite a number of people it seems from discussions I've had (me
included). I bought my machine a couple of weeks ago as well and
started to experience these problems.
Apple Australia via my dealer said that this problem has a number of
potential causes - Faulty applications, faulty third party hardware
(modems, memory etc), system software, PRAM corruption and power
manager corruption, and the Duo hardware itself.
None of the above are relevant in my case except the last two maybe
(no applications were running, the system software was re-installed, I
have no additional hardware). I have found that clearing PRAM appears
to help for a while at least (hold down command option P and R on
startup). Unfortunately the problem returns suggesting that PRAM is
being corrupted by something (system software bug ? - I don't have any
non-issue inits in my system). Apparently the Power Manager can be
reset by "holding the reset and interrupt buttons while powering up" -
Apple's advice - but since the Duo does not have an interrupt button
I'm not sure what they mean in this case. This may also help if
someone can decipher Apple's advice for me.
Beyond this Apple suggest that " you should follow the technical
procedures to check the hardware of this Duo". Since so many others
appear to be having the same problem it would seem to me that there
has been a system software bug introduced somewhere along the line -
and quite recently too - since it only seems to be recent Duo 230
purchasers who have this problem.
Any more comments from others in the same boat are welcome,
particularly Apple Duo engineers :-)
cheers
brucet
--
bruce tulloch sydney australia - brucet@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers***
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
> > However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to
> > be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never
> > heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal
> > meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with "cocaine"
> > cigarettes, pot and heroin.
>
> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea
> that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply
> decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why
> the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like cigarettes"
> is "just plain silly." After all, it works just fine for nicotine...
I'm all in favor of drug legalization, but I do see some problems with
it. My hope is that people disposed to doing so would simply overdose
quickly, and be done with it, before making a mess of thisgs.
--
Let me get this straight: Medical treatment costs too much and is
inefficient, so we're going to let government make it better?
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Article from as follows
>From: bml2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN MICHAEL LUCY)
>Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies
>Date: 15 Apr 93 06:29:05 GMT
>Organization: Lehigh University
>Lines: 9
>In article <Uflkll_00VpcEKW15e@andrew.cmu.edu>, al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit
>Likhy ani) writes: >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 9-Apr-93 Re:
>Let's Talk >Phillies u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens (963) > >> > like this. Oh
>well. How do we spell CELLAR? > > >> p - i - r - a - t
>- e - s > >> ` > > >>
>NINJA JEW > > >Are there any Philly fans who want to put money on that? If
>not, stop >your woofing. Ben Rivera got hammered. > True (last week), but
>tonight he pitched 6 shutout innings and got 9 runs behind him. THAT'S why
>we're 8-1!
One phrase for you....FUCK YOU!!!!
Thanks.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Alan "All in all, it's just another" Sepinwall writes...
>Ugliest stance of all time has to go to Oscar Gamble. The man would
>practically kneel in front of home plate in order to have a small strike
>zone! (He's just lucky that strike zone size isn't determined by how big
>your afro is:)
I agree. However, I have to object. Growing up in the early
1980's and playing 2 years of Mario Mendoza-esque Little League, I was
told that since my hitting, well, sucked, I would do best to either
"Walk, or take one in the face for the team". I did both. And, my
Yankee fan father would say, "Bat like Oscar Gamble". So I did. And my
career OBP was about .550.
Not only was Oscar a fun guy to watch, but he had some pretty
cool baseball cards and helped me become one of the best little league
players in history.
>-I'm outta here like Vladimir!
>-Alan
Jason A. Miller
"some doctor guy"
Frank Tanana: 1 win?!?!?!
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1rkjm5$i2q@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>Could somebody please _email_ me some info on either what gif or iff
>file formats are, or where I can get such info?
Well, GIF stands for Graphics Interchange Format and was put forth by
Compuserve back in 1987(?) or so. It was to create a format that could be
read and displayed by any system. GIF is limited to 8 bit color but has
a built in compression scheme (LZW?).
IFF is not really a graphics format, but rather a standard way to package
images, sounds, animations, text, or whatever into one file. IFF was
created by Electronic Arts, I do believe (I could be wrong), for the Amiga.
It was quickly adopted as pretty much the standard file format for the Amiga.
The most common image format for the IFF package is an ILBM (InterLeaved
BitMap?) but many others exist. This format supports 24 bit color images.
Information on both of these and many more are available via anonymous ftp at
zamenhof.cs.rice.edu in the directory /pub/graphics.formats
(Taken from the FAQ for this news group.) :)
Wayne Rigby
rigby@cs.unr.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
In reference to the limits of acceleration with guns launching solid
rockets as payloads. Thiokol provided me with samples and data on
a reinforcement to solid motor grains for high accelerations. Solid
motor propellants usually have a substantial percentage of
aluminum in the mix. For example, the Space Shuttle SRBs are 16 percent
Aluminum. The technique is to use a 'foamed aluminum' structure.
The structure looks like the inverse of a set of bubbles (an I suspect
some bubbling process is used to form it). In other words, if you made
a bunch of bubbles in molten aluminum, then froze it, this is what
you get. It forms a strong network of effectively aluminum wires in
all directions. The remaining solid fuel mix is infiltrated into
the voids, and you get aluminum-reinforced solid propellant. The
foamed-aluminum makes up about 6 percent of the total propellant,
so there is still aluminum particles in the bulk grain. The major
improvement is the higher resistance to grain cracking, which is the
principal failure mode for solid propellant.
Dani Eder
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| 14sci.space |
ilyess@bohr.concordia.ca (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>In article <israel-palestiniansU3yG115pe@clarinet.com> clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:
>> GAZA CITY, Israeli-Occupied Gaza Strip (UPI) -- Palestinian gunmen
>>Sunday shot and killed two Israelis who entered Gaza to buy cheap
>>produce, and two Arabs who were assisting them.
>> Elsewhere in the crowded strip, Israeli troops killed a 18-month-old
>>infant and a 12-year-old boy during rock-throwing clashes at two refugee
>>camps.
>can anybody guess this from the title?
Can anyone figure out what kind of deranged parent was stupid enough to
bring their infant on a rock throwing crusade (or jihad, sorry)? 18-month
old infants certainly don't walk around the streets on their own. That would
lead me to believe that some nimrod of a "parent" brought them along for a
little terrorism.
>Not me, I thought that a clash between Israelis and Arabs resulted
>in four deaths on one side and two on the other.
thats what happened.
>> The drive-by shooting outside the Jewish settlement of Gadid in
>>southern Gaza prompted Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin to warn Israelis
>>they were ``endangering their lives'' by doing illegal business in the
>>occupied territories.
>How about being illegally settled there?
>I am not sure about the signals the Israelis are sending, one day
>they are willing to accept a Jordan/West Bank federation, the other
>they do not recognize the west bank as occupied territory (neither
>did the U.S, "the honest brocker")
>(details of the killings omitted, PLO,Hamas graffiti both claim responsability)
Uhm, last I heard, the territories were disputed. Israel's occupation is not
illegal. They are legally allowed to remain there until a settlement is reached
with the arabs which, from the behavior of the Palestinian negotitating team,
will probably be never.
>> The Israelis had entered Gaza in a car driven by the man from Hebron,
>Now don't tell me that this could not be an Israeli spy.
>We will know later.
huh? they were buying vegetables.
>>which carried the easily identified blue license plates of Arab vehicles
>>in the West Bank. When Israelis enter Gaza with their own cars, which
>>carry yellow plates, they are usually stoned and burned by angry
> *********************************
>>Palestinian residents.
>Now the UPI shows its ugly face once and for all.
>USUALLY?
>It happened once this year, once last year. out of possibly thousands
>or more. Man how low can you get.
>For those of you bigoted enough not to see what is transmitted here, I will
>tell you something that is at least as close to the truth as the above:
>"Babies/children who venture outside their homes are usually shot and killed
>by the Israeli soldiers."
>....
>> Army officials said the joint operation by members of the PLO-tied
>>Fatah Hawks and the Hamas-connected Kassem brigade, arose from their
>>anger at the army's killing of six fugitives from each group over the
>>past month.
>> The groups sprayed graffiti on walls in Khan Yunis, calling the
>>attack ``an act of revenge'' for the killing of their comrades.
Ed.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr20.150337.2963@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?
>
> It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little
> protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your
> machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid
> move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but
> staying alive takes a conscious effort.
>
> I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV
> got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
> ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Thanks, Jody. I can't say I've ever seen it summed up so succinctly before.
I might only add two things.... stupid road design (or poor, at least) and
we deal with it for the fun and *brotherhood* we share with others who take
their lives in their hads to feel the wind in their hair....IMHO.
Binger
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <donbC5sL69.F7I@netcom.com>, donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
> It's hard to know what/who to believe. However, the letter I received from
> the BATF, in response to one I sent to Bentsen, said that there was a search
> warrant AND an arrest warrant.
Check again. You may find that the arrest warrant was issued AFTER the
first firefight.
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1quim9INNem8@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>
>
>rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes:
>
>>Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the
>>Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical
>scholar I mean
>>an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let
>the
>>chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may
>otherwise be
>>defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find.
>They are
>>not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others).
>
>I've seen this claim about the "Josephus insert" flying around the
>net too often to continue to ignore it. Perhaps it's true. Was
>there only one Josephus manuscipt? If there were, say, 100 copies,
>the forger would have to put his insert into all of them. By the
>same token, since Josephus was a historian, why are biblical scholars
>raising the flag? Historical scholars , I would think, would have
>a better handle on these ancient secular documents. Can you give
>researchers documents (page numbers, etc)?
>
>Jack
I became aware of the claim years ago. So I decided to check it out, on my
own. But, then, that was in BN times (Before Net). So, here are some
references. See Robin Lane Fox's _The unauthorized version_, (p.284) where
Lane Fox writes, "... the one passage which appears to [comment on Jesus'
career] is agreed to be a Christian addition."
In my Re:Albert Sabin response (C5u7sJ.391@sunfish.usd.edu) to Jim Lippard (21
April 93), I noted that consensus is typically indicated subtly as in Elaine
Pagel's _The gnostic gospels_ (p.85), to wit: "A comment *attributed* to
Josephus reports ... [emphasis mine]". Scholars sometimes do not even mention
the two Josephus entries, another subtlety reflecting consensus.
So far as I can deduce, today's consensus is built on at least three things:
1) the long passage is way out of context, 2) Origen did not know about the
long passage, and 3) the short and long passages are contradictory.
I don't know the references wherein the arguments which led to consensus are
orginally developed (does anyone?).
Biblical scholars as I defined them include theologians and historians. The
former, like the latter, incorporate historical, social, technological and
ideological contexts as well as theology. So the distinction is blurred. I
didn't elaborate on that. Sorry. (In turn, historians are compelled to
incorporate theology).
Can't say about the number of copies. These were, however, BG times (Before
Gutenburg). A hundred first editions seems exceedingly high; counting on one
hand seems more reasonable. Perhaps those mss. without the long insert (if any,
because anything is possible) have been destroyed. Such a practice is
certainly not foreign to religions. Anyway, all we have are mss. which have
the two entries. Lippart (in the message noted above) talks about an Arabic
ms. But here the ms. date is critical.
:-)
Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <strnlghtC5M2Cv.8Hx@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable
>one: Make it voluntary.
>
>That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree
>to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own.
>
As long as "you are on your own" means that you can use your own encryption,
I'm sold.
Bruce
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <15441@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <C5oG5H.4DE@exnet.co.uk>, sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
>> In article <15409@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>#
># Well, the obvious point to make is would straight men fuck like rabbits
># if the oppertunity presented itself?
>#
># I reckon *any* *man* would go wildly promiscuous if presented with a
># huge variety of willing partners. The question here is not of being
>
>That, I suppose, says a lot about how screwed up you are.
No Cramer it does not. In this instance you are telling porkies to
*yourself* as well as everyone else. Haven't you ever been to a
cafe or restaurant and been absalutely stuffed full of goodies and yet
when one more item, just a little different, with a new texture and
a new taste, was presented you *somehow* found the space for it.
Maybe you haven't, so what? It is a widely reported phenomina and
I reckon the same applies to sex.
>
># #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
># Xavier
>
>
>--
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Xavier
| 18talk.politics.misc |
The Red Sox usually have 2 catchers. I don't think they have a backup now,
but they used to use Randy Kutcher as a backup catcher, as well as a middle
infielder and outfielder. You don't need a good 3rd catcher, just a
competent one, so you can afford to lose a little catching ability and pick
a player who can be of use elsewhere on the field.
--
John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <20APR199310391109@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>Wharf Wrat rites:
>
>>They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the
>>exact spec - but for military vehicles. That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge
>>Powerwagon. Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus.
>
>Ever' once in a while, you still see a reference to the super-
>slab system as "Interstate and Defense Highways." But whether
>the military has much of anything that goes 80 on the road is
>another matter. A few of their most whomped-up diesel trucks,
>maybe, load permitting. The military surplus stuff I've
>driven -- "Jeep Classic" (Willys/Kaiser/AMC, pre-independent
>suspension) and Power Wagons (Slant 6 in a crew-cab pickup)
Actually, I've heard that some M1 Abrams tank commanders take the
governers off their turbine engines, and can acheive 90MPH on a
paved road. Never seen it myself, but I believe it...
>weren't exactly congenial at highway speeds, and I wouldn't
>swear any of them would do 80 except as a bedload on a semi.
[stuff deleted]
>
>--Joe
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <C5E526.DpG@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>
>In article <john.734592816@misty>, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
>|>hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
>
>|>]No information is given as to the circumstances of the attack. Let us
>|>]imagine that the people in the car were BATF agents and the persons
>|>]in the truck lawful citizens carying out their right to bear arms. I can
>|>]guarantee that at least one gun loony would support the guys in the truck.
>|>Nice imagination, but not true. A FAR more likely case is that the
>|>people in the car were members of a street gan.
>
>Hmm, I sort of wondered why they happened to be quite so prepared for attack.
Phill, here in Indiana, where we not only have CCWs (permits to
carry firearms), but we also have a fairly low crime rate. At any one
given point the occupants in my vehicles are likely to be armed.
I've never had to use my gun, but am prepared to do so if I am
attacked. In essence, I'm quite prepared. I also have, in the glove
box, my proof of insurance, as mandated by Indiana law. So, if I got
into an accident and had to whip out my insurance policy to prove that
I can pay for any damages I may have caused will you "wonder why I'm
so prepared for an accident"? Even where it not Indiana law I would
still be carrying my automobile insurance. I also wear my seatbelt.
Does that make me bad for "preparing for an accident"?
>of armed people you are going to have lots of deaths as a result. The Swiss
>analogy is entirely irrelevant, there are no social divisions in Switzerland
>and almost no incentive for violent crime - there are much easier ways to
>get very rich.
Oh? Are you saying that the guns are not the problem then?
>
>Maddison and Hamilton were not suggesting that every punk with an inferiority
>complex should be able to rectify it by buying a machine gun.
So in your society, only the physically strong would survive?
Just how would the physically weaker survive?
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
Zack T. Smith writes:
> konpej@eua.ericsson.se (Per Ejeklint) writes:
>
> >Hm, maybe I'm missing something, but the Centris 650 has the '040 with FPU.
> >At least the ones shipped here in Europe.
>
> You are indeed. The 4/80 model (shipped here) definitely does not have the
> FPU. I own one; I know.
No, he's not missing anything. You're right that some models of the 650 ship in
the USA without FPU or Ethernet. Per Ejeklint is also right -- *all*, I repeat,
*ALL* Centris 650's sold here in New Zealand and, I assume, Europe have the FPU
and Ethernet.
I know. I bought a 650 4/80 and it has both FPU and Ethernet.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <79615@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes:
>"To all whom it may concern -
>
>"It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible
>organization of such men and women, who having themselves found
>the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the
>burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience,
>and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be
>guided.
>
>"While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc.
>have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of
>the civilised world, all following some line of occult study,
>yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics
>which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover
>The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the
>One Hermetic Truth.
>
>"This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient
>Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise:
>The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light.
Up to this point, I was kinda hoping that this was a joke. Still,
it would make a great premise for a bad syndicated TV show- "These
are the adventures of the Oriental Templars... dedicated to truth,
justice, and good karma! (Dramatic music in the background.)"
No doubt I've just horribly offended someone.
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swaim@owlnet.rice.edu |restocked, rather than getting angry,
Disclamer: I lie |meditate on the impermanence of all things
|and the emptiness of coke.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In <930421.122032.2c0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes:
> > Did that FAQ ever got modified to re-define strong atheists as not those who
> > assert the nonexistence of God, but as those who assert that they BELIEVE in
> > the nonexistence of God?
>
> In a word, yes.
>
> mathew
Mathew:
Could you let us know when this happened, so I can see if my version
is as up-to-date as possible? I try to re-save the FAQs once in a
while, but otherwise I ignore their regular postings, so I wouldn't
generally notice such a change.
And I like to stay current.
Thanks,
-- Scott
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Mar26.195307.25146@midway.uchicago.edu> gary@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Whether the drive is hooked up to the computer or not, the LPS240
>makes a "disk seek noise" every 20 seconds. This is consistent
>and will continue as lomg as the drive is powered up. Even if
>I disconnect the drive from the computer, this "drive activity"
>continues at 20 second intervals.
>
>Someone tried to tell me the drive was doing a "Thermal Recalibration".
>
>Not knowing beans about the internal physical workings of the lastest
>disk drive technology.... I guess I might believe anything.
>
>Whats the scoop on this standalone "drive activity" every 20 sec?
I can only comment on thermal recalibration in general. Some new
drives perform it in order to increase overall integrity of data
writes. Basically, the firmware instructs the actuator to perform
a test to see if the data tracks are within a certain physical
tolerance, since when the media heats up or cools down, *some*
track drift is inevitable, and the drive has to monitor it. This
becomes especially critical at very high recording densities, and
so was used primarily on very large-capacity mechanisms, but it
seems to be finding its way into more smaller drives as a way of
boosting the drive's long-term reliability and MTBF ratings.
I first became aware of thermal recalibration when it was pointed
out that the technique conflicts with prolonged write times when
digitizing, say, audio or video to hard disk. Some manufacturers
explicitly state that drives with thermal recalibration are NOT
to be used for applications that have prolonged disk writes.
Hope this helps.
Victor
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I'm not sure were this thread has been before i popped in, but I've never
thought of waiting periods as having anything to do with training or
competence. I just can't imagin any valid reason for having a gun that
can't wait a few days. I can think of plenty of bad reasons for not
wanting a waiting period: I want to buy a gun and kill so-and-so right
now, I've crossed the state line to buy a gun illegally and I can't
afford to spend the night here, etc.
I'm not a big fan of guns, but I feel that it is important to guard
American's rights to own them. On the other hand, we license and regulate
many things without seriously impeding anyones constitutional rights.
Carl
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.
>There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and
>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics
>who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used.
Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again.
>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book "Sinus Survival", always gives,
Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!
>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his
>new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times
>in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over
>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief
>of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his
>program.
Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world.
Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.
>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic
>symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly
>written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which
>I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage
>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can
>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also
>*greatly* improved in other areas as well.
I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who
responds to "miracle cures."
>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to
>molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a
>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you
>would have perceptible symptoms.
Yeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously.
Snort.
>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various
>sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that
>such toxins can cause problems in some people.
Yeah, "it sounds reasonable to me".
>Of course, the $60,000
>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was
>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the
>stress of infections and allergies, etc.),
Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass.
More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome.
>can develop excessive yeast
>colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since
>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to
>take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively
>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's
>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons.
You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused
in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.
The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.
>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae
>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find
>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time.
The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap
and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any
systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without
any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use
IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve
the "yeast" problem once and for all.
>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep
>medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly
>to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough
>actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my
>face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee
>their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as
>far as I am concerned.
Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating
your symptoms.
Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate
to think my insurance premiums are going towards this.
--
Steve Dyer
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| 13sci.med |
In article <1993May17.045558.14180@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes:
>In article <1t6efv$1pj@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> gel@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Gilles KHOUZAM) writes:
>>>Macsee.zip on ftp.cica.indiana.edu is supposed to read and write Mac disks.
>>>I've never tried it, though. Good luck
>>
>>I just tried it, but I can't say that it works, 'cause it doesn't read 800K
>>disks, it only reads 1.44Mb. If there a program that does read 800K disks,
>>please let me know.
>
>
>Well, you can't say that it don't work. The inability to read 800k mac
>disks is not a SW problem. Rather, it's a HARDWARE limmitation on PCs.
>
>I have seen a post about a program able to read non-1.44Mb Mac disks,
>which comes with a watchamacalit <ma memory's faling> card, which you
>just drop into a com port or something. Don't remember specifics, tho.
>peace,
>Mickey
On all 1.44Mb drives (both Mac and PC), the disk spins at a constant
RPM. On 800k Mac disk drives, the spin rate of the disk is varied so
that the tracks pass under the head at a constant speed; a slower rotation
for the outer tracks, and a faster rotation for the inner tracks. A PC
needs special controller hardware to make this happen.
Brian Casey
bnc@macsch.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1r1nujINNcti@gap.caltech.edu> ridgway@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Ridgway) writes:
+paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
+>[My problem] turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40
+>carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
+>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
+>on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside
+>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
+
+Gee, I always figured that it was the loose screws on/in the _rider_
+that were most likely to cause any problems. Did you check for that
+at the same time?
That is very true. However, screws have been loose on this rider
for quite some time, so they had been taken into account.
____________________________________________________________________________
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <C5snCL.J8o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:
>Evolution, as I have said before, is theory _and_ fact. It is exactly
>the same amount of each as the existence of atoms and the existence of
>gravity. If you accept the existence of atoms and gravity as fact,
>then you should also accept the existence of evolution as fact.
>
>--
>--Andy
I don't accept atoms or gravity as fact either. They are extremely useful
mathematical models to describe physical observations we can make.
Other posters have aptly explained the atomic model. Gravity, too, is
very much a theory; no gravity waves have even been detected, but we
have a very useful model that describes much of the behavior on
objects by this thing we _call_ gravity. Gravity, however, is _not_
a fact. It is a theoretical model used to talk about how objects
behave in our physical environment. Newton thought gravity was a
simple vector force; Einstein a wave. Both are very useful models that
have no religious overtones or requirements of faith, unless of course you
want to demand that it is a factual physical entity described exactly
the way the theory now formulated talks about it. That takes a great
leap of faith, which, of course, is what religion takes. Evolution
is no different.
--
jim halat halat@bear.com
bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--
nyc i speak only for myself
| 0alt.atheism |
A couple of months ago I tried out a Hercules Graphite card. A pretty nice
board. Fairly fast, and seemed quite compatible -- even seemed to handle the
SVGA modes I have whined about here on occasion. At the time I was just
buying a VLB system, so after checking out the card I sent it back. I wanted
a VLB card, and purchased a Fahrenheit VLB card. This card is fairly fast,
will do 70 Hz refresh at 1024x768, but is not compatible with my CD-ROMS
(the SVGA thing -- I think; I have merely conjectured that is the cause of
an old graphics board being able to run in a higher resolution with those
programs than the modern boards I have tried. I have not gotten a straight
answer out of anybody...). The monitor I am using it with is a 17" Magnavox,
which also tops out at 1024x768x70 Hz so its really a pretty good match.
But...
That is for my wife. I just purchased a Viewsonic 17 for myself, and am
looking for a graphics card to drive it. I want > 70Hz refresh,
and would really like it to handle my CD-Roms. I tried the Orchid P9000,
which did neither of those things (though Robert at Wietek did say that the
>70Hz was possible if I modifed the driver data base). So my thoughts go back
to Hercules. They were supposed to be coming out with a VLB version of the
Graphite around the end of March. I have heard precisely ZERO about it since
then. Does anyone know if the card was actually released, and what capabilities
(and price) it has?
Any info would be most appreciated.
Geoff Sherwood
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied
with it. There are, actually, 3 versions: a plain dos version, a 386
version, and a windows version.
Harvey Stein
hjstein@math.huji.ac.il
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
> I believe there is no technical means of ensuring key escrow without the
>government maintaining a secret of some kind.
Not necessarily. For instance, in the system outlined in the May 1993
issue of "Byte", the process of getting one's public key listed for general
use involves giving pieces of your private key to escrow agencies, which
do calculations on those pieces and forward the result to the publishers of
the public key directory, which combines these results into your listed
public key. If you try to give the escrow agencies pieces which -don't-
yield your private key when they are all put together, the result is that
the public key listed for you is wrong and you can't read messages encrypted
to you.
| 11sci.crypt |
In <1993Apr28.141606.17449@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes:
>rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:
>>[...] But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the
>>back and you could have problems. The shuttle just isn't designed to land
>>with that much weight in the payload.
>Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ???
HST is about 25,500 lbs (11,600 kg). That doesn't include the cradle that
would have been in the cargo bay when it was deployed. Spacelab-J on STS-47
was 21,861 lbs (according to the press-kit).
As someone else pointed out if they had been unable to deploy it for some
reason that would have had to land with it still in the cargo bay and this
was a planned for contingency. This is not a problem for the shuttle,
though it would eliminate KSC as a landing site, they still have to go to
Edwards when landing with something like Spacelab in the cargo bay.
--GaryM
--
Gary Morris Internet: garym@alsys.com
TeleUSE Development UUCP: uunet!alsys.com!garym
Alsys Group (TeleSoft) Phone: +1 619-457-2700 x128
San Diego, CA, USA Fax: +1 619-452-1334
| 14sci.space |
Copyright 1993 Agence France Presse
Agence France Presse
HEADLINE: Egyptian arrested after mock threat to blow up Iran's
Paris mission
DATELINE: PARIS
BODY:
PARIS, April 16 (AFP) - An Egyptian man held police at bay
for several hours outside the Iranian Embassy here, threatening
to blow up the building to protest against terrorism and
fundamentalism.
The man in his thirties, who was identified only as "an
Egyptian national ," displayed a banner outside the embassy
gate and said he was in possession of several sticks of dynamite
he threatened to set off.
He later surrendeed quietly to police who had blocked off the
neighborhood, saying he wanted to attract media attention to
"the dangers of Islamic fundamentalism."
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <115863@bu.edu> uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:
>
>I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any private
>sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least
>partially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance) Why would any
>private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly
>evaluated? (i.e. algorythm not publically released)
>The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware out
>there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.)
What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be "the truth" so no
flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior
corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies.
I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if
they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to
attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and
governments to break.
I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about
the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly
satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms).
I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap
doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined
the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure.
I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some
Swiss or anybody Japanese.
This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would
feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude
that the NSA is part of our government and "we support our government", as
one very famous CEO put it to me one day.
Just some perspective from another point of view.
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
| 11sci.crypt |
The subject line says it all.
/Thanks
__ __ _ _
l \ / l ___ ( \/ ) Max Brante m88max@tdb.uu.se
l l l l l / _ \ \ /
l l\_/l l( (_) l / \ Institutionen f|r teknisk databehandling
l_l l_l \__l_l(_/\_) Uppsala Universitet
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In <tvartiai.734823058@vipunen.hut.fi> tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) writes:
>According to the inside information, Alpo Suhonen won't be the next headcoach
>of Jokerit. It's pretty sure that Boris Majorov will continue, although owner
>of the team previously said that he will chance the coach.
>Tommi
Wrong information. They just announced that Suhonen has made a deal with
Jokerit.
Tommi
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1ql8ekINN635@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >>>>What if I act morally for no particular reason? Then am I moral? What
|> >>>>if morality is instinctive, as in most animals?
|> >>>
|> >>>Saying that morality is instinctive in animals is an attempt to
|> >>>assume your conclusion.
|> >>
|> >>Which conclusion?
|> >
|> >You conclusion - correct me if I err - that the behaviour which is
|> >instinctive in animals is a "natural" moral system.
|>
|> See, we are disagreeing on the definition of moral here. Earlier, you said
|> that it must be a conscious act. By your definition, no instinctive
|> behavior pattern could be an act of morality. You are trying to apply
|> human terms to non-humans.
Pardon me? *I* am trying to apply human terms to non-humans?
I think there must be some confusion here. I'm the guy who is
saying that if animal behaviour is instinctive then it does *not*
have any moral sugnificance. How does refusing to apply human
terms to animals get turned into applying human terms?
|> I think that even if someone is not conscious of an alternative,
|> this does not prevent his behavior from being moral.
I'm sure you do think this, if you say so. How about trying to
convince me?
|>
|> >>You don't think that morality is a behavior pattern? What is human
|> >>morality? A moral action is one that is consistent with a given
|> >>pattern. That is, we enforce a certain behavior as moral.
|> >
|> >You keep getting this backwards. *You* are trying to show that
|> >the behaviour pattern is a morality. Whether morality is a behavior
|> >pattern is irrelevant, since there can be behavior pattern, for
|> >example the motions of the planets, that most (all?) people would
|> >not call a morality.
|>
|> I try to show it, but by your definition, it can't be shown.
I've offered, four times, I think, to accept your definition if
you allow me to ascribe moral significence to the orbital motion
of the planets.
|>
|> And, morality can be thought of a large class of princples. It could be
|> defined in terms of many things--the laws of physics if you wish. However,
|> it seems silly to talk of a "moral" planet because it obeys the laws of
|> phyics. It is less silly to talk about animals, as they have at least
|> some free will.
Ah, the law of "silly" and "less silly". what Mr Livesey finds
intuitive is "silly" but what Mr Schneider finds intuitive is "less
silly".
Now that's a devastating argument, isn't it.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
Only Brendan McKay, or maybe ARF, would come to the rescue of Nazi
racial theory. Is it distressing Brendan? The point is that any
eugenic solution to the Jewish Problem as Elias has proposed smacks
of pure Nazism. The fact that Elias' proposal cast the entire "problem"
as one of the abnormal presence of Israeli society in the Middle East,
and that he buried a slam against U.S. aid to Israel in the midst of
his "even-handed" solution of the Jewish Question, made it obvious what
he had in mind: disolving the Jewish polity. That *is* a Nazi doctrine:
rectification of the "abnormal presence" of the Jewish people within a
larger body politic. Whether your "solution" involves gas, monetary
incentives to the poor Jews to marry out, or as Feisal Husseini has
said, "disolve the Zionist entity by forcing it to engage the normal
surrounding Arab culture," you are engaged in a Nazi project.
Just as obvious is your statement: "I will not comment on the value
or lack of value of Elias's proposal." Still striking the glancing
blow, right Brendan? You could easily see where he was going, but you
"will not comment." So, you are complicitous.
What is your fascination with Nazi racial theory, anyway?
-- Chris Metcalfe ("someone else")
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In article <1993Apr22.175022.15543@cs.rit.edu> bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes:
>>>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.
>>>---------------------------------------------------------- by
>>> Elias Davidsson
>>>
>>>5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed'
>>>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on
>>>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its
>>>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a
>>>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of
>>>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the
>>
>> Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.
>
>Someone else said something similar. I will not comment on the
>value or lack of value of Elias's "proposal". I just want to say
>that it is very distressing that at least two people here are
>profoundly ignorant of Nazi racial doctrine. They were NOT
>like Elias's idea, they were more like the opposite.
>
>Nazis believed in racial purity, not racial assimilation. An
>instructive example is the Nazi attitude to Gypsies. According to
>Nazi theoreticians, Gypsies were an Aryan race. They were persecuted,
>and in huge numbers murdered, because most European Gypies were
>considered not pure Gypsies but "mongrels" formed from the pure Gypsy
>race and other undesirable races. This was the key difference between
>the theoretical approach to Jews and Gypsies, by the way. It is also
>true that towards the end of WWII even the "purist" Gypsies were
>hunted down as the theory was forgotten.
>
>Brendan.
>(email: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Mar19.215728.24473@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>Armenians did not genocide Turks.
See, you are a compulsive liar.
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 202 (first and second paragraphs).
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
completed the work."
(to be continued...)
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <WCS.93Apr26141950@rainier.ATT.COM> wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes:
> The serial number will be in a 64 bit block, with a 34 bit filler. Doesn't
> take a lot to check to see if that is correct.
>
>Depends on whether the filler is a constant (makes checking easy,
>but susceptible to replay), or variable (e.g. timer, counter, random),
>which makes replay harder and can also make it easier for the
>inquisitors to know if they've missed messages, or gotten them out of
>sequence, or other interesting things that sort of person might care about.
I'd use a secret (nope, obscure) cryptographic encoding to expand the
30 bit serial number to a 64 bit block. The redundancy hereby introduced
can be used to detect tampered Clipper signals where some public enemy
replaced the L.E. block by random data.
And of course the L.E. block would be used to initialise the encryption
of the user data so that at the receiving end the correct L.E. block must
be processed in order to have any chance of getting the plaintext back.
For those of you who might want to mangle the L.E. block (e.g. by xor-ing
a constant pattern) on the transmission line and restore it before feeding
it into the receiving Crippler Chip I would add further encrypted copies
of this block (perhaps created by repeated application of the encryption
algorithm or so) at regular intervals during the transmission. If the
receiving chip detects a mismatch it must assume that the line is bad and
it will cease to work; in your own interest you are protected from getting
faulty plaintext, you know -- it's just like a checksum for your own
safety ;-(.
The `monitoring agencies' won't have the famous black box which is needed
for actual decryption and will be kept by the FBI; but nothing prevents
them from using special boxes which will do the redundancy check for the
serial number block and consistency checks on the embedded L.E. blocks
within the transmission. These boxes will turn a red light on as soon as
they detect a bitstream that violates the correct protocol.
So don't anyone think that you can use the chip and fool L.E. about the
tapping key -- I bet the developpers have provided much better checks
than those suggested above. Of course it's absolutely crucial that the
algorithms (and protocols) remain secret. Personally I doubt they will.
--
Detlef Lannert DC3EK E-Mail: tsos@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
PGP 2.2 key via server or finger lannert@clio.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
"I am Psmith." - "Oh, you're Smith, are you?" - "With a preliminary
P. Which, however, is not sounded." P.G.Wodehouse
| 11sci.crypt |
I am selling my FIAT 850 Spyder:
This sleek little convertable has served me well through my past
year in San Diego, but I am going away for the summer and I have nowhere
to keep it, so on the aution block it goes.
1971 Fiat 850 Sport
White body
White Hard Top (refurbished)
Ivory Convertable Top (refurbished)
New Black interior
Come with high performance exhaust system
Larger rebuilt engine (910 instead of 805)
Car mats
Smog checked, registered until 1994
This is the ultimate in San Diego driving. I will not guarantee that
this car will attract people to you of the opposite gender, but they
will ask for a ride. One warning, this is a high performance Italian
SPORTS car, if you want a boring little set of wheels this is NOT the
car for you, this car requires care. It has a manual choke, a 4-speed
manual transmision, manual throttle control, and even manual wiper
pump. If you KNOW how to drive then and only then can you appreciate
this car.
Feel free to inquire. The price is $1750 and all inspection has to be in
the San Diego area since school keeps me here all the time.
Quill
--
_________________________ _____________________________________________
|-=[ Quill ]=- |"Have you looked at your hands? No, I mean |
| PH# (619)294-4412 |REALLY looked at your hands?" Doonesbury |
|_________________________|_____________________________________________|
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <lsm9htINNfpj@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
<In article <C5AnHH.K2u@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
<>wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
<>
<>There was a long standing belief held in the USA at one time
<>that the US Military Should NOT become involved in the internal
<>policing of the Country. Under The Reagan/Bush Legacy this basic
<>tenant of the Military as being "out of the criminal enforcement loop"
<>was suspended, put in mothballs, made a NonOperableTruth.
<
<Ignoring the National Guard or state militias being called out to
<deal with mine strikers and the like...didn't the army get called in
<during the '20s to deal with a bunch of WW1 veterans who came out to
<protest the government's (mis)handling of their rights?
<
<Somebody named MacArthur ran the field end of the operation.
Wasn't that the 'Bonus Rebellion', when tanks were deployed against
US Citizens? Grist for those who insist 'It couldn't happen here...'
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <C4zAv7.6F9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
>>>Why do you want a nation of physical and mental cripples, doug?
>
>>Are you in favor of killing all physical and mental "cripples?" (so un-pc.)
>>"Cripples" deserve to live just as much as anyone else.
>
>He is not talking about killing "cripples" he is talking about *making*
>someone (the woman) *become* a "cripple" (emotionally) by not allowing
>her to have an abortion. Pay attention.
My apologies. Your right. I wasn't following the thread. But I think
most women are tougher than that. I am suprised that someone would
insinuate that women are in some way so vunerable.
Link
>
>>I don't have any stats. I seriously doubt that most abortions are done
>>on physical or mental "cripples" unless you are making the generalization
>>based on the race of most babies aborted. (even-more-un-pc. and not
>>accuarate either.)
>
>Again, he was refering to the woman, not the abortees.
>
>>Link Hudson.
>
>-Rob
| 18talk.politics.misc |
>I just bought a Western Digital/Caviar 340MB IDE drive and I want to add it to
>my system which already has a WD120 IDE drive. The controller says it
>supports 2 hard drives, but when I plug in the cables, do the BIOS setup,
>and try to start the system, it pauses and then I get an invalid drive D:
>error message. The system boots, but I cannot access the new hard drive.
...
There are jumpers on each drive that must be set for both to work. The C: drivemust be set to be the master drive, and D: must be set to be the slave drive.
The actual settings should be in info with the drives or is available from
Western Digital.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <C5w51C.H39@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>
patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
>
>Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Branch Davidian
>people immolated themselves in the manner described by the
>Federal authorities, why does the general consensus appear to
>be that they -- the BD -- were insane? Is it the manner of their
>behaviour before they died, or the fact they chose to kill
>themselves rather than submit to the Government?
>
>I ask this question because there is a tradition, and one that
>is highly regarded by many people, that several hundred Jews
>elected to throw themselves off a cliff at Masada rather than
>submit to Roman rule. The circumstances at Masada and those at
>Waco would seem in general terms quite similar, and yet so far
>as I'm aware nobody has seriously suggested that the Jews were
>insane.
>
>The point of this comparison is to question the use of the word
>'cult' in discussing the events at Waco. Why were the Davidians
>a cult, and not the Jews at Masada? What constitutes a cult? Is
>it the size of the membership, or a matter of respectability, or
>perhaps the length of time it's been in existence? Are the
>Catholics a cult? How about the Mormons or the Calvinists? Is
>a sect a respectible cult?
>
>Dictionary definitions aside, since popular usage seems to carry
>more weight, I suspect that the word 'cult' is used in a perjorive
>sense when speaking of groups like the Davidians. It is rather
>like the word 'boss' when used to describe someone unpopular --
>or someone the government wishes to *make* unpopular -- like, say,
>Castro: "the Communist boss of Cuba." One doesn't hear Clinton
>described as "America's Democratic [or Capitalist] boss."
>
>--
>
Well, for one thing most, if not all the Dividians (depending on whether
they could show they acted in self-defense and there were no illegal
weapons), could have gone on with their life as they were living it.
No one was forcing them to give up their religion or even their
legal weapons. The Dividians had survived a change in leadership
before so even if Koresch himself would have been convicted and
sent to jail, they still could have carried on.
I don't think the Dividians were insane, but I don't see a reason
for mass suicide (if the fire was intentional set by some of the
Dividians.) We also don't know that, if the fire was intentionally
set from inside, was it a generally know plan or was this something
only an inner circle knew about, or was it something two or three
felt they had to do with or without Koresch's knowledge/blessing, etc.?
I don't know much about Masada. Were some people throwing others over?
Did mothers jump over with their babies in their arms?
Richard
| 18talk.politics.misc |
dnash@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David Nash) writes:
>We're talking about an orbiting ad here, not some little point
>of light that puts a streak or two on a photograph. It should have been
>clear that anything used for advertisement is going to be a bit larger than
>a point source. Even if this was not clear there's a previous post on this
>topic that makes it clear:
>----
>Message-ID: <FOX.93May15223005@graphics.nyu.edu>
>Sender: notes@cmcl2.nyu.edu (Notes Person)
>Nntp-Posting-Host: graphics.cs.nyu.edu
>Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences
>Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 03:30:05 GMT
>Lines: 132
>In the New York Times on Sunday May 9th in the week in review
>section there was a report of a group called "Space Marketing"
>in Atlanta, Georgia who is planning to put up a one mile wide
>reflective Earth orbiting satelite which will appear as large
> ^^ ^^^^^
>and as bright as the Moon and carry some sort of advertising.
>^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^
From the description I've read, it's prob. only going to be
as bright as Jupiter. Anything else is probably hype from the
opponents or wishful thinking from the sponsors.
If we could do something as bright as the full moon that soon,
that cheap, the CIS would have done it already.
--
Phil Fraering |"Number one good faith! You convert,
pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|you not tortured by demons!" - anon. Mahen missionary
| 14sci.space |
gary@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Gary Taylor) writes:
>Hi, We are trying to develop a image reconstruction simulation for the skull. The problem we are having is that we cannot obtain 3D data for the skull. We can just video a rotating skull, but that will only give us 2 dimensions.
>Anyone out there got any suggestions?
>Please help
>Thanx
>Gary
>University of the Witwatersrand
>Johannesburg
You could paint the skull mat white, then do some complicated
shading analysis on it.
Shopwood
-------------
University of Technology, Sydney
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr23.105152.20155@news.cs.tut.fi>, kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Kuusama Juha,,,VTT,) writes:
> Not that the question is anything important, but I am still curious:
> Why is that almost all printed circuit boards are green? I have seen
> a few blue ones, but no red, yellow, company logo etc. Is there a
> technical reason or could it be that the marketing "geniuses" have
> not tought about it (yet)?
> --
> Juha
The color of the board shows the composition of it, hence the use of it.
Original and older boards were bakelite composition, and were brown.
Phenolic (spelling) was a tan
Most "non filled" fiberglass boards used in computers are green.
Filled fiberglass is blue.
Teflon is white.
As boards evolved more and more demands were made of them. First boards were
used mainly in audio circuitry. Couldn't be used in high voltage or RF because
it would arc and burn. Most boards today are fiberglass, the type being chosen
by its use and cost.
Boards in satellite and microwave communication are teflon (and ceramic) as the
fiberglass, and other boards are conductive (they actually work more as a
capacitive dialectric, but the word conductive simplifies explaination) at the
high frequencies.
Another printed circuit material used mainly in automotive and interconnections
is a thin flexible (mostly mylar) material and is used to connect the front of
the vehicle (etc) to the back instead of wiring harnesses. Camcorders use this
to intereconnect the boards inside where wires would be a nuisance.
Am working on a generator made by Hewlet Packard right now and the entire board
is gold plated, boy it looks expensive!!!
Hope I got most of my facts right as I am working from memory of material read.
My education was pre-transister!
--
73, Tom
================================================================================
Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia
(604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle
Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9
I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply)
================================================================================
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C4x6yq.5L4@news.claremont.edu> ochaine@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ollie 'North' Chaine) writes:
>
>HELP! my car insurance has been cancelled for the second time in a row!
>I still haven't gotten in touch with my agent from AAA because "she's
>out for the week" but my mom said that I got a call saying that my insurance
>was going to be cancelled because of an accident ( not even a fender-bender)
>that was never declared or anything. Besides the fact that i have no idea how they found out about this, the only
>other thing that could bug them is that I have 1 ticket but I told them
>about it and they said that it wasn't a problem.
>If I go to another insurance, I know I will end up paying more (b/c I already
>shopped around for this one) and I can't afford to pay for the insurance
>especially since I still haven't gotten the $3000 the two insuance companies
>are supposed to refund me. I just got a new Saturn SL2 and can't afford the
>car payments and the insurance, but I bought the car having gotten a QUOTE
>from State Farm which they later went back on.
>PLEASE HELP ME! what legal rights do I have? Can I make State Farm who originally
>gave me the quote give me that rate (they made a mistake after I signed all
>the papers, I did not give any false evidence)? How can I get my money back
>for the car if I can't pay for the insurance? I'm deperate!!!
> Ollie
I just went through this mess in New Jersey (I'm still waiting for a
refund as well), namely, that the original company made a mistake and left me
in the lurch. My recourse was through NJ's insurance dept. Office of Consumer
Protection. You should have a similar office in your state. Make use of it.
Good luck,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
| 7rec.autos |
I am having something very unusual happen. First
some background on my system. I have a Mitsubishi 63 meg Hard Drive,
and am running Smartdrv (the version that comes with Windows 3.1) on
it. I rarely use Windows. I use a program called Disk Technician
Gold v1.14 to do diagnostics live time on my hard drive. It works by
having a device driver detect whenever more than one read is
necessary for a file, or if there is anything else is wrong with it,
and minor problems are fully checked out upon rebooting. My hard
drive is notorious for bad sectors. I usually end up with 8 new bad
sectors a week.
Here's what happened: I ran a program, and DTG broke in with
an Emergency Warning and recommended I reboot. It gave me this
message twice before the program was fully loaded. I exited the program
and did just this. DTG went through its bootup process, examining
for new errors etc., and a screen popped up and said something about
sectors for a brief period of time.
I then went back to the program, executed it again, and the
exact same error was detected. I rebooted and tried again, and the
same error happened again. So, I removed DTG from memory, and went
to the program to see if I could detect anything wrong. Sure enough
there was a number of read attempts. So I rebooted and reloaded DTG,
but removed the cache. I executed the program. No read errors,
either audible or detected by DTG. I quit the program, loaded the
cache, and ran the program again. The errors were detected.
Ok, so the errors are there, and DTG detects but doesn't fix
them, when the cache is loaded. When the cache is not loaded there are
no errors. So, to see if the cache was interfering with any other
files, I went into xtree gold and tagged all files, and searched them
for a random string (in other words, I wanted the program to
completely read every file on my hard drive). Before I got through
the c's DTG had detected at least six errors and recommended I reboot.
Does anybody, have any idea why Smartdrv is causing misreads on
my hard drive? Oh, there are exactly two misreads per file, and 1 in
about every 100 files are affected.
I originally posted this message to Disk Technician Corp.'s
system, but I figured someone out in netland may know enough about
smartdrv to help me out.
--
INTERNET: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)
UUCP: ...!ryptyde!netlink!jdriver
NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <ng4.733990422@husc.harvard.edu>, ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) writes:
>
> When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without
> any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without
> experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change?
>
> Ho Leung Ng
> ng4@husc.harvard.edu
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>
>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model?
>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My
>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine
>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>I am quite interested in it.
>>Thanks!
>>Darren Gibbons
>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>
> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
Craig
>
> Chintan Amin
> llama@uiuc.edu
>
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
| 7rec.autos |
In article <May.12.04.27.07.1993.9920@athos.rutgers.edu>, scott@prism.gatech.edu (Scott Holt) writes:
>"Hate the sin but love the sinner"...I've heard that quite a bit recently,
>often in the context of discussions about Christianity and homosexuality...
>but the context really isn't that important. My question is whether that
>statement is consistent with Christianity. I would think not.
>
>Hate begets more hate, never love. Consider some sin. I'll leave it unnamed
>since I don't want this to digress into an argument as to whether or not
>something is a sin. Now lets apply our "hate the sin..." philosophy and see
>what happens. If we truly hate the sin, then the more we see it, the
>stronger our hatred of it will become. Eventually this hate becomes so
>strong that we become disgusted with the sinner and eventually come to hate
>the sinner. In addition, our hatred of the sin often causes us to say and
>do things which are taken personally by the sinner (who often does not even
>believe what they are doing is a sin). After enough of this, the sinner begins
>to hate us (they certainly don't love us for our constant criticism of their
>behavior). Hate builds up and drives people away from God...this certainly
>cannot be a good way to build love.
I don't agree, but I can only speak for myself. I have a good friend
whose lifestyle is very sinful. Do I hate the things she does to herself
and others? Yes. Do I hate her? Absolutely not. In fact, she tells me
repeatedly that I am the best friend she has in the world. I care about
her very much despite the fact that I hate how she lives her life.
It's very easy to fall into the progression you describe above. I've
felt it with my friend more than once. There is a very important
part of Christianity that you've overlooked above and makes it possible
to "love the sin but hate the sinner." Before I look at someone
else's life and sin, I look to myself and am as disgusted by what I see
in *me* as I see in others, probably more. Self-righteousness is
contradictory to Christianity and is what makes the progression you
describe happen. If a Christian can truthfully quote Paul and say, "Wretched
man that I am!" [Romans 7:24 (NASB)], that Christian will be able
to love the sinner and hate the sin. If we have the attitude of the Pharisee
who said, "I thank Thee that I am not like other men..." [Luke 18:11 (NASB)],
we will hate both.
-- Scott at Brandeis
"But God demonstrates His "The Lord bless you, and keep you;
own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you,
while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you;
Christ died for us." the Lord lift up His countenance on you,
and give you peace."
-- Romans 5:8 [NASB] -- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <C5109u.7C0@ucdavis.edu> itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes:
>I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he's got me a little
>confused.
>
>While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit
>from the fringe players they'll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs,
>Sheffield getting 150 rbi's, and Glavine winning 25 games. This was,
>of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball
>has expanded (early 60's, late 60's, late 70's).
>
>What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would
>do well next year. Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the
>likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs.
>
>My question is: How in the hell will the Rockies/Marlins help the AL? The
>last time I looked, there wasn't a lot of talent jumping leagues. Did I
>miss something?
>
Only if you persist in believing that Peter Gammons is more knowledgable about
baseball than the average mailbox. Okay, I'm overstating. Still, the man
actually had the gall to say that one out of every six pitchers in the NL this
year did not pitch in the majors last year.
Huh?
IMO, this expansion will not see the explosive jump in offense that the
other expansion drafts had, since the talent was diluted over both leagues.
In Gammons' defense, because the talent drain came from the AL as well, some
increase will be seen. He also gets credit for mentioning that the 1969 jump
in offense was due also to the rules changes after the 1968 season. He's still
full of it...
--
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu
"If you take out all the f--ks, this is an 18 page book."
-Wally Backman, leafing though a copy of Mets teammate Lenny Dykstra's
autobiography, _NAILS_
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I recently got a file describing a library of rendering routines
called SIPP (SImple Polygon Processor). Could anyone tell me where I can
FTP the source code and which is the newest version around?
Also, I've never used Renderman so I was wondering if Renderman
is like SIPP? ie. a library of rendering routines which one uses to make
a program that creates the image...
Thanks, Joe Tham
--
Joe Tham joth@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
| 1comp.graphics |
pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>The problem is, the people are not having the scope, or implicataions
>pointed out to them. Hell, most haven't even heard of Clipper, and
>when they do, it will be in soothing language telling everyone how
>nice the government is at 'letting them have' privacy.
[much more deleted]
>The people at large need to be informed. BUT HOW? I am but one person.
>I try to talk to everyone that will listen, but I can hardly make any
>kind of dent.
Here is how! Lets write a DOCUMENT which includes all the reasons
we oppose Clipper, in clear, concise, non-techincal manner. I urge
everyone of you to take the (very simple) "start" below and repost it
with changes. Let the text evolve until we reach something most of us
like. Then, all of you should send a copy (with a personnel letter)
to your congress critter, local reporter on sci/tech, etc.
Please, to make this a success, try to post only an "agreed" version,
not flames. To respond to a flame to this, please change the subject
to, e.g, "clipper scope - discussion".
-- Michael Golan
mg@cs.princeton.edu
[all of these are points - which should be made into paragraphs]
What is wrong with the clipper chip - By usenet users
-----------------------------------------------------
1) It is secret.
2) How can we trust the escrow agencies?
3) It is not cost-effective
4) We want other encryption systems, the government seems to want to
disallow it in the future
5) Anyone can build a non-key system
6) We are worried about a back door
7) Once everyone uses a clipper chip, the mechanism for a Big-Brother
government is in place, a change of government can lead to it.
Especially since the escrow agencies operation is not governed by
law (so the president can change the rules to allow free access to
the keys at any time, e.g., during war)
8) Few criminals are caught by wiretaps, the cost [and risks] are unjustified
9) Once the FBI get hold of a key, it can decrypt past and future conversations
...
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1tq7ttINNg2k@nsat.ipp-garching.mpg.de> bds@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce d. Scott) writes:
>You gave a good reference (please, who was the author of "Plymouth
>Plantation"?). You could have given more on the travel accounts.
Radiating from someone who is incapable of providing a single scholarly
source on his 'genocide apology program', it is rather amusing. Again,
where is your non-existent list of scholars and scholarly sources?
Here is mine:
"An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of
the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at
least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The
memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and
eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."
(Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990)
"In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats
in this alien land."
(Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity")
"The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination
of the Muslim population in Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag,
Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the
extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government
during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."
(Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992)
"Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against
Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic
of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan,
are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide
perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the
Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these
lands." (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992)
SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN
HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS
1. "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement" by Louise Nalbandian,
University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975
2. "Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902" by William I. Lenger, Professor
of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951
3. "Turkey in Europe" by Sir Charles Elliot,
Edward & Arnold, London, 1900
4. "The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies" by
Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972
5. "The Rising Crescent" by Ernest Jackh,
Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944
6. "Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam" by Felix Valyi,
Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925
7. "The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia" by E. Alexander Powell,
The Century Co., New York, London, 1924
8. "Struggle for Transcaucasia" by Feruz Kazemzadeh,
Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951
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Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York,
Melbourne, 1977
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Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922
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Macmillan & Co., London, 1915
12."Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill,
Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928
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Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925
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Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952
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The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17
(Spring 1964)
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University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967
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Ercikan, A.; "Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"
(Ankara, 1949).
Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', "Turk Tarihinde
Ermeniler Sempozyumu," (Izmir, 1983).
Hocaoglu, M.; "Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"
(Istanbul, 1976).
Karal, E. S.; "Osmanli Tarihi," V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.);
V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara.
Kurat, Y. T.; "Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi," (Ankara, 1976).
Orel, S./S. Yuca; "Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin
Icyuzu," (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.]
Ahmad, F.; "The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in
Turkish Politics," (Oxford, 1969).
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Jake Livni writes:
>Well over 100,000 in Lebanon alone.
>1,000,000 - 2,000,000 in the Iran/Iraq conflict, even if Iranians
>aren't Arabs, strictly speaking. (They seem to hate the Zionists at
>least as much as anyone else in the neighborhood. Is there some
>correlation perhaps between hating Israel and killing off your own
>people?)
Perhaps Iranians are not Arabs even not-so-strictly-speaking ?
Dorin
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back. He
always walks and sits this way so I have concluded that he is
hunchback.
Is this a genetic disorder, or is it something that people can correct.
i.e. is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will
power?
Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu
| 13sci.med |
I remember seeing complete instructions for making PhoneNET adapters,
MIDI adapters and a MacRecorder lookalike. After a short search through
Mac.archive and info-mac I failed to see any of the above. Any pointers?
--
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I have an Intel Above Board (16 bit) with 2 megs of ram
that I would like to sell ASAP. Please email me offers
if interested!
Thanks
Fred
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <3032@cronos.metaphor.com> mlt@blues.infores.com (Michael Turok) writes:
We have a problem with 'makedepend': it doesn't know how to correctly process
#if clause in C preprocessor statements. It evaluates everything to
true no matter what the conditionals are.
[...]
Has anybody come up with some solution/fix to 'makdepend' other than
WriteYourOwnParser... and willing to share it with us?
rewrite 'makedepend' to use 'cc -M' or 'gcc -M' or 'gcc -MM' (which is
the one I prefer, since system headers don't change that often) for
generating the actual dependencies. you'll still need to write the
parts that edit the actual Makefile. I think there's a program in the
Berkeley distributions called mkdep that will do essentially this.
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Internet: khera@cs.duke.edu Box 90129
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <5103@moscom.com> mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) writes:
>Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote:
>: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:
>: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its
>: >"current directory".
>
>: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use
>: to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then
>: invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file
>: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on.
>
>I posted this as well before the cview "expert". Apparently, he thought
he
>knew better.
>
>Matthew Zenkar
>mz@moscom.com
Are we talking about ColorView for DOS here?
I have version 2.0 and it writes the temp files to its own
current directory.
What later versions do, I admit that I don't know.
Assuming your "expert" referenced above is talking about
the version that I have, then I'd say he is correct.
Is the ColorView for unix what is being discussed?
Just mixed up, confused, befuddled, but genuinely and
entirely curious....
Uncle Fester
--
: What God Wants : God wants gigolos :
: God gets : God wants giraffes :
: God help us all : God wants politics :
: *thester@nyx.cs.du.edu* : God wants a good laugh :
| 1comp.graphics |
victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes:
>You are experiencing what is called Macrovision. It is the protection
>that they use on the video tapes. There are two ways around this that I
>know of. First of all, you can try using a different VCR to copy onto.
>It is the input of the VCR that reacts to the protection so sometimes
>just switching the two VCRs around will take care of it. Some models
>just don't react to it.
Does this also affect the viewing of tapes ? I have had problems with
a couple of rented tapes; they were virtually unviewable. I fiddled
with the tuning, tracking and vertical hold but it was no good.
| 12sci.electronics |
13sci.med | |
I would like advice on how to configure my 486 to accept:
- Com1 + Com2 (currently on IRQ 4 and 3)
- LPT1 (IRQ7)
- Bus Mouse (IRQ5)
- Sound Card (no idea what to do - can be set to any)
-
using IRQ2 for Bus MOuse gobbled up too many cycles, and caused
loss of communications with floppy disks, and a few other
problems.
I could, I suppose, switch the 2 com devices externally, and disable
the second port on the Super IO card, but I really want to
have them both available.
COuld the sound card use IRQ2 without horsing up the works?
All replies apppreciated - and I only just subscribed to this
newsgroup - I assume there is an FAQ somewhere (rather, I'm
sure someone will tell me about it....)
thanks
Mark Fraser
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:
>In article <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com>
> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:
>>
>>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much
>>worse, of course, if the government then uses this "Clinton Clipper"
>>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main
>>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.)
>>
> Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this
>kind of the domino theory?
As John Gilmore has pointed out repeatedly, if you produce the
infrastructure that would permit a police state to function, all that
is required to suddenly find yourself living in one is a change of
attitude on the part of the government.
Our constitution was built by men who had to risk their lives to
ensure freedom in our country. They designed the system to make it
difficult for tyranny to arise. For instance, one of the reasons the
fourth amendment was put there was to make it harder for the
government to try to make smuggling a crime. Think I jest? John
Hancock made all his money smuggling rum, which is, after all, a drug.
Think about it. The government has everyones keys in escrow, and the
FBI gets their pet "wiretap without leaving the office" scheme. There
is a coup, which happens every day all around the world. Within hours,
everyone in the country who might oppose the tyrants is being
monitored more closely than ever before possible.
Without the tools being in place, a tyranny cannot stand. With tools
like this in place, a tyrannical dictatorship could actually be
successfully imposed.
Why give the government tools with which to enslave you? Maybe you can
trust Bill Clinton, but are you willing to tell me that you can trust
EVERY government that will ever arise in the U.S. hereafter? I am not
willing to make that leap of faith.
>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Isn't this just a little melodramatic?
I'm a political dissident. As such, I am acutely aware of what happens
to political dissidents in most of the world. In most of the world, I
could be killed for my beliefs. Call Amnesty International some time
to find out what happens to dissidents in most of the world.
All that seperates the U.S. from most of those places is a thin piece
of parchment in the National Archives thats being constantly more and
more eroded by such farces as the war on drugs. Coups have happened in
countries that have had stable democracies for over a hundred years.
Governments throughout history have fallen. No government has lasted
for more than a few hundred years. Often, they are replaced by
dictatorships. Do you really believe so intensely that it could never
ever ever happen here that you are willing to bet your own life and
the lives of your children and other loved ones on it?
If we construct the tools with which tyranny could be enforced, we
make it orders of magnitude more likely that it could happen, because
if it happened with the tools already in place it could actually
stick.
Naive fools such as our leadership believe they can protect us where
hundreds that have gone before have failed. Thriving democracies led
by men far more skillfull than Bill Clinton have fallen to
dictatorship. Rome had a thriving republic run by exquisitely skilled
men before they became a tyranny.
I, for one, am unwilling to trust that it could never happen here.
Only hubris would allow us to believe we are immune to what has
happened elsewhere.
--
Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com
--
Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <9304292140.AA29951@haji.haji_sun>, fwr8bv@fin.af.MIL writes:
> I am using xdm on X11R5 with OW3 and Xview3 on Sun3s and SPARCs running
> SunOS 4.1.1. Prior to using xdm, I used to set PATH and other environment
> variables (like MANPATH, HELPPATH, ARCH, etc) in my .login file. With xdm,
> the .login file doesn't get executed and therefore neither the olwm
> root-window nor my applications know about these variables.
One usual suggestion is to put everything into your every-time shell rc-file
instead of your login-only one, which is fair enough if you only have a few
users who know what they're doing. If you have several hundred users who do
what the books tell them, though, then it's confusing at best. Another is to
have your xterms run login shells, but that still leaves the window manager
and the things that get started from its menus with the wrong environment.
Our alternative is that instead of having xdm run the client startup scripts,
it runs the user's favourite shell as a login shell, and has *it* then run the
rest of the startup scripts. That way the user's usual environment gets set
up as normal and inherited by everything. You can find an almost-current copy
of our scripts and things in contrib/edinburgh-environment.tar.Z, available
from the usual places.
--
George D M Ross, Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh
Kings Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH9 3JZ
Mail: gdmr@dcs.ed.ac.uk Voice: 031-650 5147 Fax: 031-667 7209
| 5comp.windows.x |
Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Michael Collingridge writes:
: >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
: >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
: >team captain trivia would be appreciated.
;
: Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
: Pittsburgh?
And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens
recently...
Caleb
And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded
captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske
Man I hated that trade!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
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| 6misc.forsale |
kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes...
>In article <1993Mar20.161551.4638@zooid.guild.org> goid@zooid.guild.org (Will S
>eeves) writes:
>[J. Lani Herrmann:]
>>>> We are wondering why the Clinton administration is having so much
>>>> trouble finding a suitable nominee for the post of Attorney General,
>>>> when there is an obviously superior candidate:...
>>>> We refer, of course, to Prof. Anita Hill.
>[Michael Friedman:]
>>> Probably because if they pick her the Republicans will investigate
>>> the rumors that she sometimes returned papers to her students with
>>> a couple of pubic hairs inserted between the pages.
>> While I'm hardly one of Prof. Hill's biggest fans, I find *this* hard
>> to believe.
>> Could you please supply (with a post, preferably) some proof of this,
>> ie., newspaper articles documenting such allegations, etc.?
>Well, your ignorance about this is unsurprising, given you're a
>Canadian. And I'm at a complete loss at to why you should be so
>interested in this, given that it is an American issue which should
>properly be of absolutely no concern to you at all.
Actually, my interest in gender issues is not limited to international
boundaries. Indeed, I often exchange information with Americans about
issues which concern us, in both countries.
>In any event, in
>answer to your question, the following is taken from David Brock's
>article, "The Real Anita Hill", published in the March 1992 issue of
>_The_American_Spectator_. [This is taken from page 27.]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ah...someone had mentioned this journal, but gave no further information.
> But the most bizarre incident is alleged to have happened in the
> school year 1983-84 at Oral Roberts [University], according to a
> sworn affidavit, dated October 13, 1991, and filed with the Senate
> Judiciary Committee, in which Lawrence Shiles, now a lawyer in
> Tulsa, recounted the following:
> Shortly after the class had begun, Professor Hill gave us a
> written assignment which I completed and duly turned in. When
> this assignment was passed out to the class after having been
> marked by [the] professor, sitting next to me were fellow
> students Jeffrey Londoff and Mark Stewart. Upon opening the
> assignments and reviewing our grades and comments made by Anita
> Hill, I found ten to twelve short black pubic hairs in the pages
> of my assignment. I glanced over at Jeff Londoff's assignment
> and saw similar pubic hairs in his work. At the time I made the
> statement to Londoff that either she had a low opinion of our
> work or she had graded our assignment in the bathroom. Mark
> Stewart overheard the conversation and said that he had similar
> pubic hairs in his assignment also. This became the standing
> joke among many students for the remainder of the year in
> classes.
> Other students in that class confirmed the story. Londoff says
> he couldn't be certain that the hairs were pubic, but he said he
> thought it was unlikely that they could have come from Hill's head,
> since they were short, coarse, and curly, and Hill had had the hair
> on her head straightened. Another student who saw the hair, but
> did not want to be identified, said of its origins: "You just know
> when you see it."
>Does this satisfy you,
Yes, thank you, though I am really curious as to why this never came out
(at least not in what I saw, up here in Canada, or on CNN, which is sent
up here) during the Thomas nomination hearings. Surely, one would think
that her claim to having been sexually harassed, would have a great deal
less credibility if it could be shown that she had herself been guilty of it.
>or do you regard sworn statements given to a
>U.S. Senate committee as equivalent to toilet paper?
Ahemmm.... It depends. :-)
(For instance, if it were the "sworn statements" at the Warren Commission,
then yes, I _would_ say that the statements were no better than toilet
paper, used at that :-), but in most cases, the answer would be "no").
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr21.154750.24341@maths.tcd.ie>,
pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes...
>cotera@woods.ulowell.edu (Ray Cote) writes:
>> David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire
>>was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the
>>facilities knocked over a lantern.
>
>In two places at once? Bit of a coincidence, that.
Never lived out in the country I see. 4 years ago I had a place
where I had to carry in propane every month, hook the bottle up
to copper line, to supply both the stove, and a type of water-
heater called a flash-heater. A flash heater has a pilot lamp.
Here's the point. If the Davidians had their propane tanks hooked
up to copper (or some such) lines, run through the ceiling spaces
-- when the FBI started wrecking the place, they could easily have
ruptured the lines. Which then would start spreading out through
the overhead. And since it was a country home, it wasn't necessarily
built with non-flamable insulation.
It's probably more plausible than anything else, that the fire started
mainly as a result of accident -- or willful negligence on the part of
the FBI, which should have known better (ie. manslaughter).
It's certain that if the tanks hadn't been used that day -- the fire
wouldn't have started.
>Whatever the faults the FBI had, the fact is that responsibility
>for those deaths lies with Koresh.
Paul, what "fact?"
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr20.191048.6139@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
#[reply to frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)]
#
#>>The problem for the objectivist is to determine the status of moral
#>>truths and the method by which they can be established. If we accept
#>>that such judgements are not reports of what is but only relate to
#>>what ought to be (see naturalistic fallacy) then they cannot be proved
#>>by any facts about the nature of the world.
#
#>This can be avoided in at least two ways: (1) By leaving the Good
#>undefined, since anyone who claims that they do not know what it is is
#>either lying or so out of touch with humanity as to be undeserving of a
#>reply.
#
#If the Good is undefined (undefinable?) but you require of everyone that
#they know innately what is right, you are back to subjectivism.
No, and begging the question. see below.
#>(2) By defining the Good solely in terms of evaluative terms.
#
#Ditto here. An evaluative statement implies a value judgement on the
#part of the person making it.
Again, incorrect, and question-begging. See below.
#
#>>At this point the objectivist may talk of 'self-evident truths'
#
#Pretty perceptive, that Prof. Flew.
#
#>>but can he deny the subjectivist's claim that self-evidence is in the
#>>mind of the beholder?
#
#>Of course; by denying that subject/object is true dichotomy.
#
#Please explain how this helps. I don't see your argument.
I don't see yours. It seems to rest on the assertion that everything
is either a subject or an object. There's nothing compelling about that
dichotomy. I might just as well divide the world into subject,object,
event. It even seems more sensible. Causation, for example, is
an event, not a subject or an object.
Furthermore, if subject/object were true dichotomy, i.e.
Everything is either a subject or an object
Then, is that statement a self-evident truth or not? If so, then it's
all in the mind of the beholder, according to the relativist, and hardly
compelling. Add to that the fact that the world can quickly be shoved
in its entirety into the "subjective" category by an idealist or
solipsist argument, and that we have this perfectly good alternate
set of categories (subject, object, event) [which can be reduced
to (subject, object, quality) without any logical difficulty] and why
yes, I guess I *am* denying that self-evident truths are all in the mind of
the beholder.
#>>If not, what is left of the claim that some moral judgements are true?
All of it.
#>If nothing, then NO moral judgements are true. This is a thing that
#>is commonly referred to as nihilism. It entails that science is of
#>no value, irrepective of the fact that some people find it useful. How
#>anyone arrives at relativism/subjectivism from this argument beats me.
#
#This makes no sense either. Flew is arguing that this is where the
#objectivist winds up, not the subjectivist. Furthermore, the nihilists
#believed in nothing *except* science, materialism, revolution, and the
#People.
I'm referring to ethical nihilism
#>>The subjectivist may well feel that all that remains is that there are
#>>some moral judgements with which he would wish to associate himself.
#>>To hold a moral opinion is, he suggests, not to know something to be
#>>true but to have preferences regarding human activity."
#
#>And if those preferences should include terrorism, that moral opinion
#>is not true. Likewise, if the preferences should include noTerrorism,
#>that moral opinion is not true. Why should one choose a set of
#>preferences which include terrorisim over one which includes
#>noTerrorism? Oh, no reason. This is patently absurd....
#
#And also not the position of the subjectivist, as has been pointed out
#to you already by others. Ditch the strawman, already, and see my reply
#to Mike Cobb's root message in the thread Societal Basis for Morality.
I've responded over there. BTW - I don't intend this as a strawman, but
as something logically entailed by relativism (really any ethical system
where values are assumed to be unreal). It's different to say "Relativists
say..." than "relativism implies...".
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <7480237@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>> Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology
>> paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the
>> TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the
>> maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th
>> of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd
>> or even scan lines)
>
>You are correct; the fastest "complete" image that could be presented on
>TV would be one field, which is 1/60 of a second (approximately). Of course,
>the phrase "TV screen" is often thrown around in reference to any CRT
>display, so perhaps this researcher wasn't using normal TV rates. Might
>even be a vector ("strokewriter") display, in which case the lower limit
>on image time is anyone's guess (and is probably phosphor-persistence limited).
Actually, a lot of this work used to be done with a CRT that had a beamsplitter
mounted in front, and a tachistoscope driving it. The tachistoscope is really
just a slide projector with a very fast shutter. Low tech, but it does the job.
--scott
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <May.7.01.08.04.1993.14301@athos.rutgers.edu> smayo@world.std.com (Sc
ott A Mayo) writes:
>>Gerry Palo writes:
>> > ...there is nothing in Christianity that precludes the idea of
>> > repeated lives on earth.
>
>Doesn't it say somewhere "It is appointed to man once to die,
>and then judgement?" I don't have a concordance here but I have
>some dim memory that this appears *somewhere* in the Bible.
>Given a fairly specific context for what judgement is, I'd say
>that more or less decides the issue.
>
>[Heb 9:27 --clh]
Indeed, the immediate context [NASB] is:
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often
since the foundation of the world; but now once at
the consummation He has been manifested to put away
sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die
once, and after this comes judgement;
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear
the sins of many, shall appear a second time, not to
bear sin, tro those who eagerly await him.
The first point is that this verse is part of an even larger
context, the subject of which is not the destiny of the
individual human soul but rather the singular nature of Christ's
sacrifice, "once", and the fulfillment of the law for all of fallen
mankind. Rudolf Frieling elaborates this in detail in his
"Christianity and Reincarnation". The thrust of the passage
in its context is to liken the one time incarnation and
sacrifice of Christ for all mankind to the individual
experience of the human being after death. The "once"
is repeated and emphasized, and it highlights the singularity
of Christ's deed. One thing for certain it does is to
refute the claims of some that Christ incarnates more than
once. But the comparison to the human experience - die
once, then judgement (note: not "the judgement", but just
"judgement". The word for judgement is "krisis".
Hebrews 9:27 is the one passage most often quoted in defense
of the doctrine that the Bible denies reincarnation. At this
point, I would just emphasize again that the passages
that (arguably) speak against it are few, and that invariably
they are talking about something eles, and the apparent denial
of reincarnation is either inferred, or, as in the case of
Hebrews, taken literally and deposited into an implied context,
namely a doctrine of the destiny of the human being after
death.
What should be considered seriously is that the Bible is essentially
silent about the fate of the individual human being between death
and the Last Day. If you take the few passages that could possibly
be interpreted to mean a single earth life, they are arguable. And
there are other passages that point, arguably, in the other direc-
tion. such as Matthew 11:14 and John 9:2.
We can continue to debate the individual scraps of scripture that
might have a bearinig on this, and indeed we should discuss them.
But what I wanted to introduce into the discussion was an approach
to the idea of repeated earth lives that, unlike Hindu, Buddhist
and "new age" teachings, takes full cognizance of the divinity, singular
incarnation, death, burial, resurrection, and second coming of Christ
as the savior of mankind; the accountability of each individual for
his deeds and the reality of the Fall and of sin and its consequences;
the redemption of man from sin through Christ; the resurrection of
the body, and the Last Judgement.
Taken in this larger sense, many serious questions take on an entirely
different perspective. E.g. the destiny of those who died in their
sins before Christ came. the relationship of faith and grace to
works, the meaning of "deathbed conversion", the meaning of the
sacraments, and many other things. Not that I propose to answer all
those questions by a simple doctrine of convenience, but only that
the discussion takes on a different dimension, and in my opinion
one that is truly worthy of both man, the earth, and their Creator and
Redeemer. There are many deep questions that continue to be deep, such
as the meaning of the second death, and how the whole of Christian
doctrine would apply to this larger perspective of human existence.
There are those who deeply believe that the things of which the Bible
does not speak are not things we should be concerned with. But Christ
also indicated that there were other things that we would come to know
in the future, including things that his disciples (and therefore others)
could not bear yet. This idea that the human capacity for growth in
knowledge, not only of the individual in one lifetime, but of the whole
of humanity, also takes on great meaning when we realize that our growth
in the spirit is a long term process. The Bible was not meant to codify
all spiritual knowledge in one place forever, but to proclaim the gospel
of the incarnation and redeeming deed of Christ - taking the gospel in the
greater context, from Genesis to Revelation. Now, salvation (healing) becomes,
not the end of man's sojourn but its beginning. And the Last Judgement and
the New Heaven and Earth that follow it become its fulfullment.
Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
| 15soc.religion.christian |
ULTRIX/X11R4 to plot surfaces and contour plots from a set of {x,y,z}.
I would really appreciate any hint on the name of such a plotting program
and where to find it.
Thanks for your help.
| 1comp.graphics |
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