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Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel Air?
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In article <1qpavfINN2jp@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
:In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu
:(Paul E. Reimer) writes:
:> In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano
:Pitargue) writes:
:>
:> [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER]
:>
:> >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw
:> >cars.
:> There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some
:> regulation to try to combat this.
:
:Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems
:the driver's license process does not work for this.
:
I can testify to this. My cousin spent a few weeks in the hospital, and his
friend was killed, because of a drunk driver. The son-of-a-b**** is back on
the streets... Officers from the scene are still p***ed about that one.
:> to take a drivers safety class.
:
:Because you wanted one while you were underage.
:
:> I HAVE to be licensed to drive.
:
:Only on public roads.
:
:> My car
:> MUST be registered.
:
:Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my
:property.
:
:> I MUST (at least where I live) have liability
:> insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an
:> accident with it).
:
:Only on public roads.
And this obviously doesn't always work, else why would they offer uninsured
motorist coverage?
:
:> Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration
:> of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for
:> gun owners.
I object to mandatory registration because I don't trust my government not to
use any information I give them for their own purposes. I am licensed to
carry a concealed pistol in my home state, but they never asked whether I
actually owned a firearm. A safety class before issuing a permit to carry is
reasonably, provided such classes are regularly available to the public. Of
course, most places would consider my time in the reserves and on a competition
rifle team to count.
:
:Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-)
Hey, now that's an idea :)
:
:> Paul Reimer
:
:Jim
Now, unless you have an agenda against private ownership of firearms, why would
you want to harass the person trying to legally defend themselves or exercise
their rights? (I know, defending oneself/family/whoever IS a right... at least
as far as my 9mm and I are concerned... ) (Also as far as the State of Alabama
seems to be concerned) Why don't you push for stricter prosecution of those
who use firearms in the commission of a crime? I've already pointed out how
we aren't nailing DUI's hard enough... Comparing the US with other countries
seldom works, but the European attitude towards alchohol and DUI seems to work..
Their attitude towards weapons isn't really a valid comparison because they've
historically done their best to keep the populace disarmed and submissive,
while our country was founded by a bunch of rugged individualists who told the
European monarchies (for the most part) to take a flying leap (used more polite
language though). We even weaseled out of our first international treaty, and
then convinced the French that it was in their best interests not to complain..
But first we had to overcome the fact that the Brits were doing their best to
restrict us to squirrel guns and such, so we'd be properly submissive while
they forced us to pay for their wars. Of course, most American history classes
these days tend to gloss over facts that do not fit the image they wish to
convey... I'm glad my Amer. Hist. teacher was a Libertarian who had us review
a good portion of the Federalist Papers, and debate their origins and meanings.
enough rambling,
James
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nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu, University of Alaska Fairbanks writes:
[A GOOD DEAL OF HEALTHY IF NOT DEEPLY THOUGHT OUT IDEALISM DELETED
BELOW.]
>Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?
>[...] Can the truly inforce it? [...]
If their parent company does business (and they will) on the face of the Earth
then they are vulnerable to govt. sanctions. Yes they can be stopped.
>If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will
>stop you from doing it. [...]
For the first 100 - 500 (IMHO) years nobody will have to. The colonists will
be too dependent on Earth too pull it off. Eventually they will, history
shows us that.
>Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it.
>The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will
>not care [...]
What exactly do you mean here? Terrorism? Start an international incident
so your dream can come true? Crack a few eggs to make the omelet? This
sounds fairly irresponsible.
>Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a
>little bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to
>piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born
>in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea..
Again, the tie that binds will be much stronger for space colonists than
any immigrants that have gone before. Even those intrepid Asian
explorers that crossed the Bering land bridge did not have to carry their
air on their backs.
==
>Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
Keep the dream alive, maybe dream it a little more cogently.
Tom Freebairn | There once was a man
| Who built a boat
| To sail away in.
| It sank.
| J.P. Donleavy
_Fairy Tale of New York_ (maybe?)
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In article <Apr.14.03.07.21.1993.5402@athos.rutgers.edu> randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes:
>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged
>couple become "married" in God's eyes?
Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony,
nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so.
Let's distinguish _real_ logistical problems (like being stranded on a
desert island) from _excuses_ (such as waiting for so-and-so's brother
to come back from being in the army so he can be in the ceremony)...
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Subject: Celebrate Liberty! 1993
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
I recently saw a message here (posted by Bob Silverman, I think) which
referred to a "birthday" attack on a cryptosystem. I'm looking for
references on, and explanations of, this type of attack.
Thanks,
-Paul
| 11sci.crypt |
A friend of mine is cnsidering buying a new car, and is considering the
Subaru Impreza or the Nissan Altima right now. Which of these two cars
would you recommend. We definately want an airbag and ABS, and room for
tall people and long legs.
If you have other suggestions for cars under $13K after dealing I'd be
interested
in you opinions as well.
PLEASE send replies to sem1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu, no tthis address.
THANKS!
Scott
| 7rec.autos |
sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>In article <C6vI08.6Dx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes:
>>I'm not sure which amazes me more: the fact that someone would go to all this
>>trouble to write about McElwaine or the fact that someone would post something
>>which repeatedly says it shouldn't be posted.
>>
>>It's all moot anyway. He had is net access privileges revoked last week.
>>--
>>Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>> "Find a way or make one."
>> -attributed to Hannibal
>McElwaine got his access revoked? Finally!!!!
>And they say it couldn't be done. If we can rid the net of McElwaine,
>then anything is possible :-
>Simon
Oh, don't worry, I'm sure he'll be back!
| 14sci.space |
Hi
I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib
I have multiple windows and all can take input and
show output simultaneously on all other displays
I want to implement a pointer feature
I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once
I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able
to see it
Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed
I am new to Xlib
replies will be greatly appreciated
Thank you
Prakash
< duvvuri@cs.odu.edu >
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr26.175246.24412@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net. The
>statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand
>Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads
>during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen.
Let us not forget the Nazi Armenians. Nazi Armenians were of service
to Germans in Arab countries as well. As Uzun put it, one well-known
case which received a lot of media-coverage involved two Nazi Armenian
agents which were dropped over Syria by Italian war planes. The mission
of the agents was to mingle among the Armenian population in Syria and
to acquire relevant information for the German Wehrmacht on the allied
forces in the area.[1] Nazi Armenians also helped German propaganda
efforts in Arab countries designed to promote pro-Nazi sentiments among
the French- and British-ruled Arab populations. Beirut had traditionally
been strong-hold of the Nazi Armenians and until very recently it was
the center of international Armenian terrorism.
In Russia General Dro (the Butcher), the architect of the Turkish
genocide in WWI, was working closely with the German Secret
Service. He entered the war zone with his own men and acquired
important intelligence about the Soviets. His experience with
the Turkish genocide in x-Soviet Armenia made him an invaluable
source for the Germans.[2]
[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 150.
[2] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 113; Patrick von zur Muehlen,
ibid., p. 84.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration.
>>(could be wrong....this is how i've seen them referred to)
> Then what is a "Flat-" engine???
flat = 180 deg V = horizonatlly opposed
Usually, it also equals "boxer," however, I think the term is
traditionally reserved for 8's and 12's (and firing order matters).
This was talked about here in r.a many months back; I can't remember
the consensus.
Examples:
Ferrari's 512TR is a flat 12 boxer.
Porsche's 911 is a flat 6.
Subaru's Impreza is a flat 4.
Regards,
Brian
bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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I am the engineer, I can choose K.
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Department of Engineering Mechanics
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr14.175557.20296@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:
>Sorry to insult your homestate, but coming from where I do, Wisconsin
>is _very_ backwards. I was never able to understand that people actually
>held such bigoted and backwards views until I came here.
I have never been to Wisconsin, though I have been to
neighbor Minnesota. Being a child of the Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA)
I found that there were few states in the provences that stood
out in this youngster's mind: California, Texas, and Florida to
name the most obvious three. However, both Minnesota and Wisconsin
stuck out, solely on the basis of their politics. Both have
always translated to extremely liberal and progressive states.
And my recent trip to Minnestoa last summer served to support that
state's reputation. My guess is that Wisconsin is probably the
same. At least that was the impression the people of Minnesota left
with me about their neighbors.
The only question in my head about Wisconsin, though, is
whether or not there is a cause-effect relationship between
cheese and serial killers :)
-jim halat
| 0alt.atheism |
>--
>H. Marc Lewis | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
>Olivetti North America | those who divide everything in the world into
>marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I thought it was: "There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who
think there are two kinds of people and those who don't."
And then there's: "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who
like math and those who don't."
Obmoto: Michigan weather forecast for Saturday: high in the low 40s,
chance of snow flurries, showers possible. Enjoy the weather where you
are. Have a ride on me.
Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes. That is my 1974 Honda CL360.
=============================================================================
"That's the nature of being an executive in America. You have to rely on
other people to do something you used to do yourself." -- Donald Fehr,
executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association.
=============================================================================
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in
reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering
reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is
interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <May.9.05.41.18.1993.27552@athos.rutgers.edu> todd@nickel.laurentian.ca
writes:
> The question is how do they interpret these verses. We
> must now establish reasons for not believing this to be true based on the
> interpretation of these scriptures given by someone who has come to grips with
> them.
I see no other way of interpreting them other than homosexuyality
being wrong. Please tell me how these verses can be interpreted in
any other way. I read them and the surrounding text.
In Christ's Love,
Bryan
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <93106.21394634AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:
|In article <2001.150.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com>, jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)
|says:
|>
|> Bill Vojak:
|>
|> BV>I read in the paper yestarday that Ted Turner wants to "trim" down
|> BV>his media holdings and is putting CNN up for sale. The #1 potential
|> BV>bidder? TIME/Warner of course. Sigh . . . . . Just what we need. :-(
|>
|> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band
|> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast
|> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two...
|>
|I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't
|think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening
|until they break down HIS door.
|
|BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a
|minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made
|viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :)
|There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and
|not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would
|STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their
|ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts.
I will join the ranks here. If someone has the ability to actually put this
thing together and get enough support, I'll also contribute $1000 to the
effort. And jeeze, people, I'm a *student*, with *no job* yet, and I will
put up my own hard-earned savings if it means we have a shot at getting
the truth told on the airwaves. Count me in.
Mike Ruff
--
- This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
- self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * *
Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** *
liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * *
safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * **
nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * *
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr21.160642.12470@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) writes:
>From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes)
>Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1
>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 16:06:42 GMT
>In article <feustelC5tw49.7p5@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>>I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the
>>Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type
>>being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit
>>shoot-to-kill directives.
>
>You mean they aren't already? Could have fooled me.
>
>
>--
> REMEMBER WACO!
> Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?
>[Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]
Well, it seems we don't learn the lessons of history do we?
I was hoping that Kent State taught us a lesson.
Apparently not.
Apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still.
---
Rawlin Blake blake@nevada.edu
No .sig is a good .sig
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I don't think speed has been determined, since it has never run on Intel chips.
But on the Amiga's Motorola Chips, it was one of the fastest true 'Ray Tracers'
I don't think Impulse would port it over and not take speed into consideration.
In terms of features, and learning curve... ALL that you stated for 3DS is also
true for Imagine, and lots more... But I'll have to admit that after 3 years of
use on the Amiga, the learning curve is very steep. This is due ONLY to the
manual. It is realy BAD. However, there is a lot of after market support for
this product, including regular 'Tips' articles in many magazines such as "AVID
and a great book by Steve Worley called "Understanding Imagine 2.0" This book i
is not just recommened, IT IS A MUST!
I think an important consideration should be price......
$3000 for 3DS (Not including "tool" packages)
Under $500 for Imagine complete.
| 1comp.graphics |
Jason Cockroft (jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: What are the Leafs to do? I am a Leaf supporter and
: I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there
: is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits
Root for another team. ;-)
: Andreychuck and Borchevsky have no business playing against
: the Wings. They are too small. The key to any Leafs success
: will have to be Clark. He is the only centre who can have
..
Andreychuk, is NOT small, slow and sloth-like, maybe, but he is
about 6'4" and that is not what I would consider as small.
As an aside, The big AndreyCHUNK as I call him has been known to
disappear come playoff time. This was one of his main problems when
playing for Buffalo.
: GO LEAFS !!!
GO SABRES !!!
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/-//\ /\\-\(716) 253-7953 mail : Eastman Kodak
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\\\// \// \\/// Rochester, New York 14620
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C50CMD.1zz@newcastle.ac.uk> Tor-Olav.Berntzen@newcastle.ac.uk (Tor-Olav Berntzen) writes:
> Another thing, why a SCSI interface ?
Because SCSI works well with removable media, and works well with large
capacity devices. The floppy interface you suggest handles the former, but
it doesn't have any hooks for dealing with the latter... you'd have to kludge
it. Plus, it's extremely low performance. AND, SCSI has gobs of room for
expansion compared with a floppy (I can just see it, let's stick a 5.25",
a 3.5", a tape drive, and a MO drive, all on the floppy interface. The
possibilities for unexpected collisions are enormous).
--
Peter da Silva `-_-'
Network Management Technologies Incorporated 'U`
12808 West Airport Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA
+1 713 274 5180 "Zure otsoa besarkatu al duzu gaur?"
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <15APR199320293386@utkvx.utk.edu> drevik@utkvx.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:
>In article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes...
>>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:
>>>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C
>>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling
>>>>his so called stimulus package.
>>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free
>>>>immunizations for poor kids.
>>>
>>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to
>>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents
>>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.
>
>I don't know where YOU live, but this is not the case nationawide.
>Perhaps your state or municipality has put together the funds to
>do so, but in my area and most areas where I know people, immunizations
>cost $$$.
Nationwide, the immunization rate among toddlers is about 50%, but
it is reportedly as low as 10% in some inner-city neighborhoods.
I bet more than 10% kids living in such neighborhoods are already
covered by Medicaid.
Here in Massachussets, we have had a universal immunization program,
the kind of Clinton seems to be proposing, for many years (two decades?).
Mass' immunization rate is 65%. What about the other 35%? I guess
some parents are indeed too ignorant or too lazy , or simply do not
care.
>
>Sorry to shatter your stereotypes.
???
>
>>
>> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health
>> care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give
>> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services
>> delivered to their doorsteps.
>>
>>
>>--
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
Tim Glauert (thg@cam-orl.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <14987@news.duke.edu>, kdb@teer13.acpub.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
: |> Tim Glauert (thg@cam-orl.co.uk) wrote:
: |> : In article <14957@news.duke.edu>, kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
: |> : |> None of this changes the fact that MSW3.1 is objectively inferior to its
: |> : |> competition.
: |>
: |> : Do you mean that MSW3.1 is objectively inferior in _some_ respects (which
: |> : is trivially true), that it is objectively inferior in _all_ respecets
: |> : (which is trivially false) or do you mean something else? What criteria
: |> : have you chosen for your objective assesment? Are you sure that these
: |> : criteria are themselves objective?
: |>
: |> I believe that enough is inferior to make it overall as a product
: |> inferior to its competition-- Apple System 7, OS/2 2.0, NeXTStep 3.0,
: |> UNIX/Xwindows (pick your favorite flavor).
: In other words, it is your *opinion* that MSW3.1 is inferior to its
: competition. That's not the same as MSW3.1 being objectively inferior.
No. It is technically inferior to the OS/GUIs that I listed. I have already
described why. To say briefly:
System 7 --easier to learn and use. There have been independent studies to
that effect.
OS/2 --Can run MSW applications and has more stable multitasking.
NeXTSTep --easier to learn, use, and program. More stable multitasking
UNIX/X --As easy to learn and use. More stable multitasking.
With the prpoer setup, all of these will exchange data with MSW machines as
well as MSW machines will amongst themselves, so interoperability is not
an issue.
By this criterion, it is inferior. If you have another, then perhaps I am
incorrect. Do you pick up the glove?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Kurt D. Bollacker Duke University Medical Center +
+ kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu Durham, NC 27710 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Bruce Maynard (drac@uumeme.chi.il.us) wrote:
> In article <93083.215554MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu> Mitch Lewars <MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >Can someone give me the specs
> >on a null modem cable, I ferget
> >which get crossed.... =-)
> > mal112@psuvm.psu.edu
> That's an easy one... carry all 25 pins straight thru, with the exception of
> pins 2 & 3, which should be crossed...
as someone else already mentioned, don't "carry thru" the other 23 pins.
plan A, minimal null modem:
SG(7) - SG(7)
TD(2) - RD(3)
RD(3) - TD(2)
if you're transfering files betwen 2 PCs, this ought to work (unless
you have a persnickity comm program).
plan B, null modem with modem control:
SG(7) - SG(7)
TD(2) - RD(3)
RD(3) - TD(2)
DCD(8) - DTR(20)
DTR(20) - DCD(8)
some comm software will wait for DCD before transferring anything.
such software will raise DTR to enable the modem to accept a call.
with this cable, each side's DTR will drive the other's DCD.
plan C, null modem with hardware flow control:
SG(7) - SG(7)
TD(2) - RD(3)
RD(3) - TD(2)
RTS(4) - CTS(5)
CTS(5) - RTS(4)
for high-speed transfers, you want the flow control.
plan D, deluxe null modem (combine B and C):
SG(7) - SG(7)
TD(2) - RD(3)
RD(3) - TD(2)
RTS(4) - CTS(5)
CTS(5) - RTS(4)
DCD(8) - DTR(20)
DTR(20) - DCD(8)
this one is ideal. it leaves out DSR and RI (rarely used anymore).
if you're really paranoid, or you just have an 8th wire to spend,
you might add:
FG(1) - FG(1)
the pin numbers above are (obviously) for 25-pin connectors.
i don't have a 9-pin pinout handy.
--
wayne hamilton
I'net: hamilton@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu
Lowtek: Box 476, Urbana, IL 61801; (217)384-4310(voice), -4311(BBS)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In September 1990, our medical reserve unit was sent to the KETZIOT
prison camp to take care of Arab prisoner who were housed in 5
sections of 1500 prisoners each, with each section subdivided in
5 units housing 300 prisoners. The prisoners would "communicate"
with other distant sections (sometimes 50-100 yards away) by
taking stones, tying written notes to the stones, and throwing
them with incredible precision to other sections. I should have
been a recruiter for the Red Sox :-) There were at least three
prisoners who could have been outstanding pitchers.
Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Come on, this is sci.space. An orbital billboard won't
do any permanent damage; in a few years it will reenter
and probably hit Los Angles anyway :-)
The boost to space commerce orbital advertising might
provide might speed the day it is possible for those with a
yen for dark skies to get some really dark skies beyond
the dust producing the zodiacal light.
Now, if they wanted to paint the CocaCola symbol on the
moon in lampblack, that would give me pause. It would
be very difficult to reverse such a widespread application
of pigments.
--
Thomas Clarke
Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
| 14sci.space |
In article <1r0hicINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes:
|> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9
|> and Deuteronomy 22:20-25:
|> : These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had
|> : expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a
|> : direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God
|> : is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable.
|> : Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to
|> : God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the
|> : age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is
|> : repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just
|> : for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile
|> : alike.
|>
|> Hmm, for a book that only applied to the Israelites (Deuteronomy), Jesus sure
|> quoted it a lot (Mt 4: 4,7,10). In addition, he alludes to it in several
|> other places (Mt 19:7-8; Mk 10:3-5; Jn 5:46-47). And, just in case it isn't
|> clear Jesus thought the Old Testament isn't obsolete, I'll repeat the
|> verse in Matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot:
|>
|> "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
|> not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
|> heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke
|> of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is
|> accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments
|> and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of
|> heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called
|> great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your
|> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law,
|> you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." (Mt 5:17-20 NIV, in
|> pretty red letters, so that you know it's Jesus talking)
|>
|> This causes a serious dilemma for Christians who think the Old Testament
|> doesn't apply to them. I think that's why Paul Harvey likes quoting it so
|> much ;).
|>
|> Rob Lanphier
|> lanph872@uidaho.edu
I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for
the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to
all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of
Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made
obsolete by Jesus.
If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the
following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon
the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended. If you'll notice, He
also reams into the Pharisees for mucking up the Law with their own contrived
interpretations. They knew every letter of the Law and followed it with their
heads but not their hearts. That is why He points out that our righteousness
must surpass that of the Pharisees in order to be accepted into the kingdom
of Heaven. People such as the Pharisees are those who really go out of their
way to debate about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.
They had become legalistic, rule-makers - religious lawyers who practiced the
letter of the Law but never really believed in it.
I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of
modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe
in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart?
Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's
perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will.
Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is their
choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too.
God be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Hamza answers one of my articles:
[TO] If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a "Hamas Mujahid" with an anti-tank
[TO] missile then I'm almost sure that the "terrorist zionists" would not
[TO] have been able to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the
[TO] missile.
[Hamza] maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body
[Hamza] gets "desintegrated." of course, destroying 10 houses to
[Hamza] kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it?
Well done Hamza. You edited my answer to Anas Omran, took everything out
of context and then replied to it the way you wanted.
Now I really understand why the peace process is not making any progress.
You guys ain't listening, just babbling away to your same old rhetoric.
Tsiel
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1srg4cINNj73@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:
>In article <2703@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au>, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes:
>Please cite specific examples where an Arab party member was rejected
>while a Jewish party member was accepted.
If you look at the bottom of this article you will see that I have very
kindly dug up one of Yigal Arens previous postings (entirely without his
permission, I hope he doesn't mind) containing translations from Ha'arezt
detailing just such a case. Perhaps you think that Ha'arezt lies? Would
you like to provide me with an assurance that this practise *never* occurs?
>If you examine these I am
>sure you will discover that the Arab party member did not have the power
>base that his Jewish counterpart had.
Right, Arabs have been voting in Israel for how long? And in all that time
NOT ONE Arab EVER gained enough of a personal following to get his fellow
party members to put in a Ministry? This is about as likely as sprouting
wings and flying to Rio. What basis do you have for explaining this odd
failure? You seem very confident that you are right, exactly how do you
know, why are you sure?
>Once again, if for arguments sake, all the Arab Israelis were to vote
>for Labor at the next election, you can rest assured that the number of
>Arab MKs and cabinet members would increase proportionately to the
>power shift.
Exactly what basis do you have for saying this when the Labour party
has never put an Arab into a Cabinet post and insists its coalition
members do the same? Why and on what basis are you reassuring me in
the face of 50 years of discriminatory practise?
>You are overlooking the fact that they wield political power
>as individuals based upon a wider collective power base.
Hey what?? As I said even when their party puts them up they get knocked
back. It surely couldn't be because they are Arabs is it?
>The reasoning I see at work is purely political. As far as security
>goes I think that some serious gaffs were made by right wing Jews
>as well - e.g. Sharon.
Well yes, but Security is the reason most often given by people who
want to make excuses. I merely thought it would crop up and so
pre-empted it.
Start of Article (All commets in [*....*] are mine not Dr. Arens)
[Comments in square brackets are mine - Yigal]
>From "The OTHER Front", July 29, 1992. Translation of Ha'aretz article.
Racism in the Knesset
---------------------
Coalition requirements on one hand, and the presence of progressive MKs
from _Meretz_ in the coalition on the other, have compelled Rabin and
his friends to change, to some extent, their attitude towards the Arab
public and their representatives in the Knesset. Although he did refuse
to view them as partners, taking part in the coalition and joining the
government, he did agree to meet with them and to give them a document
of intentions which included a commitment to "work towards a decrease in
the discrimination between Jewish and Arab citizens". [Decrease WHAT?!?!
But posters have told us time and again that such discrimination does
not exist *at* *all*! Is Rabin, too, a closet self-hater??? - Yigal].
However, racism has not disappeared. When the Knesset sat to consider
who would staff its various committees, a request was made to put an MK
from Hadash [the Communist party, one of the "Arab" parties - Yigal] on
the State Comptroller's Committee. And oh, did that ever stir up a
storm -- including in the ranks of Labor -- since many Knesset members
find it unthinkable that an Arab MK sit on one of the important house
committees. "Security secrets" are liable to fall into their hands...
This attitude -- which until recently had not even aroused criticism,
being so natural and so deeply-embossed upon people's hearts -- holds
that there are Knesset members who, despite having been elected by tens
of thousands of votes, are not entitled to be full partners in the body
which represents the people of Israel. We are not speaking here of
political discrimination -- which would be bad enough in itself -- but
of racial discrimination. The proof: one of the compromises proposed
was that MK Mahamid [an Arab - Yigal] should be replaced by Tamar
Gojanski [a Jew - Yigal] from the same party. It was not the member's
party which was considered unfit, but his race...
[* Here is a documented case in a respected Israeli newspaper. *]
It is worth noting that for the first time since the state's founding, a
public debate has arisen on this subject, as witness the following
article:
A TEST OF SELF-CONFIDENCE
By Gid'on Levi, Ha'aretz, July 26, 1992
Revelations of discrimination against Arabs have become such an integral
part of our daily routine that there is not much effort made to deal
with them. [Do you hear that, -----? Please contact this Levi fellow
and explain to him how little he knows about Israel. Please! - Yigal].
Except that sometimes the demon bursts out from behind the government's
window dressing, and then the phenomenon is seven times more serious.
Last week provided two more such examples: the Israeli Knesset is
finding it very difficult to allow Arab representation on its more
important committees; and Israel Television is finding it no less
difficult to give a platform to Arabs from the territories. Seemingly
two entirely different matters, but in fact they are one and the same.
The 13th Knesset proved last week that, even though one third of its
members are new faces, it has not renewed its own face at all, at least
on one issue. Parliamentary traditions may be modernized and
parliamentary traditions may become obsolete, and only one tradition
endures forever: no Arab shall set foot in the more important committees
of the house. There has never been and never will be an Arab MK on the
External Affairs and Defense Committee or on the Finance Committee.
Worlds have been overturned over the question of whether or not "to
give" Arabs, for the first time, a place on the State Comptroller's
Committee.
The arguments are old and well-known: In all three of the above
committees innumerable secrets are revealed -- and woe unto us if an
Arab should hear them. One must not make light of such arguments, but
their significance should also not be exaggerated. Every Arab MK is not
spending all his time waiting for the opportune moment to hand over
information from the Knesset committee room to Black Panther
headquarters in Jenin; and not all the aforementioned committees are
continually occupied in the discussion of top-secret matters, which
could safely be revealed, for example, to MKs supportive of the Jewish
Underground, but not to an Arab MK from the Likud, Labor, or even from
Hadash.
The Arabs themselves would probably forego membership in the Subcommittee
on Secret Service Matters, but what would happen, one may ask, if MK
Nawaf Masalha were to hear, God forbid, a review of the Foreign Minister
in an open meeting of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, or even
a review of the Army Chief of Staff which, in any case, are regularly
leaked to the next edition of the news. And what would happen if MK
Hashem Mahamid were to report on what he had seen with his own eyes at
al-Najah?
Their non-participation [in important committees] and that of their
colleagues, creates an intolerable situation, where Arab members of the
elected house have only semi-positions. They are good enough for
addressing plenary sessions, and for voting for or against the
government and participating in the deliberations of the Immigration and
Absorption Committee. But they must not, for example, participate in
the process of formulating the state budget in the Finance Committee or
in the allocation of resources to local authorities. In any case, they
have little part in that.
Labor's dependence on the support of the Arab parties has brought about
some improvement: MK Hashem Mahamid, will, it seems, participate in the
State Comptroller's Committee. Earlier, there had been a ridiculous
attempt made to dictate to Hadash who their representative should be,
and thus to prevent the Arab from entering this dubious holy-of-holies,
but it soon became clear that there was no legal or constitutional
backing for such a step.
But not to worry: even now the Jewish mind is contriving devices. The
new Committee Chair, Roni Milo, has already announced that he will set up
subcommittees aplenty for his committee. Thus he will decide where it
is permissible for Mahamid to participate and where not. A solution
such as this could, by the way, also have been adopted for the rest of
the committees, thereby completely eliminating the fear of state secrets
being leaked to the enemy and removing the stain of discrimination from
the Knesset.
[. . .]
End Article
Do you accept that as documentation?
Joseph Askew
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jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,
Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Is it possible to put more than 1 controller in a PC. By this I mean of
different types. ie. RLL and MFM. If so how do you access the drives
in the CMOS setup. Do they just show up to be configured or do you
have to do low level writes to the controller.
As an example put 1 RLL controller with 2 drives in a machine. Put
a MFM controller and 2 more drives connected to it. I now have 4
drives with 2 controllers of different types. Also can you
put 2 controllers of the same type into a PC and again how do you access
them.
I was asked this question and never tried to do it so if anyone has
done this and can supply me with info I would very pleased
Thanx in advance for any info...
--
***** Philip R. Spagnolli actor@telerama.pgh.pa.us
***** Aliases: Actor, Mentor, Poet, Relfkin
***** Hobbies: RPG, Writing, Computers, Acting, reading, Philosophy, Mudding
***** Disclaimer: Since I can only know my own existance I can offend no one.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
On Tue, 20 Apr 1993 21:30:12 GMT, Pete Zakel (phz@cadence.com) wrote:
> In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
> >You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on
> >the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the
> >Constitution.
> This is REALLY STUPID nitpicking. Capitalization rules in the late 18th
> century were quite different from today, and what was posted matches current
> capitalization rules.
pete zakel is right, we don't need to worry about capitalization
rules. after all, the punctuation gives all the necessary information
about the sentence structure. why should anyone worry about whether the
text is as close to the original as possible. (sarcasm intended).
> In the original Constitution, "militia", "arms", etc. were capitalized simply
> because they were nouns. This is also done currently in German. There is
> no special significance to these words simply because they are capitalized.
> The capitalization denotes no special emphasis.
Then you didn't understand my grumble... Again, I said to get a
CORRECT version of the Constitution. The first indicator that
something is wrong (i.e. the copy has been modernized) is the modern
capitalization rules. The next thing to go is the spelling, and then
I've even seen versions where the GRAMMAR was modernized (oh, but
don't worry, modernizing the grammar won't change the meaning of the
text, right?... ;-) [p.s. I have found about 10 *different* versions
of the Constitution on the network; And accuracy DOES matter...]
--
Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931
-------------------------------------------------------------
"...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be
drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render
powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will
become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we
separated." Thomas Jefferson, 1821
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <C5HpCv.4HL@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce
Klopfenstein) writes:
> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
> > In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> > } Guess which line is which:
> > } BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB
> > } X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87
> > } Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35
> I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list. Give me a break!
A little delayed, but in the interests of fairness (stats from Elias);
BA OBP SLG R HR RBI RNI % outs
Alomar .310 .405 .427 105 8 76 264 20.5 419
Baerga .312 .354 .455 92 20 105 316 21.2 480
So we see that Baerga has a large advantage in RBI (runs batted in), RNI
(runners not driven in) and outs.
john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
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In message <9304190956.AA10390@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> you write:
> : The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to
> : listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but
> : cellphone to base-station
[...]
> That was true for the UK Paul, but I'm fairly sure they're talking about
> building end-to-end encryption phones out of this chip. It's *not* for
> cellular (though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest)
I'd lost the White House's deathless prose when I posted (that's what happens
when you read news at home when you're rat-arsed), but I did have a bunch
of follow-ups going on about cellular/cordless comms. The original article
has reappeared, so:
The President today announced a new initiative that will bring
the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary
program to improve the security and privacy of telephone
communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law
enforcement.
Hmm, telephone communications could indeed include end-to-end encryption on
ordinary landlines.
The initiative will involve the creation of new products to
accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure
telecommunications networks and wireless communications links.
But the next paragraph says telecoms networks and wireless communications
links.
OK, it's far from clear exactly what Cripple (what an apposite anagram) will
be applied to, but the reason Joe Public wants secure comms is to stop
people listening in to his cellular or cordless phones (and he wouldn't
even be bothered about that were it not for Wingnut and Squidqy's
misfortunes).
Yes, Cripple *might* be for end-to-end encyption, dropping to clear
when the other end doesn't have Cripple. But then a cordless-to-ordinary
conversation would be in clear leaving the cordless end just as vulnerable
as at present. Nope, I suspect that Cripple will only be used on radio
links.
OK, it's possible `telecommunications networks' could mean `ordinary phone
lines', but I'm betting it means the microwave links used by the telcos.
My apologies if I'm wrong, particularly if the turgid Press Release makes it
clear that I'm wrong and I missed it, but as far as I can see it was full of
obfuscation, and anyone expecting end-to-end encryption is in for a surprise
(IMHO).
BTW, Graham, I've posted questions to alt.security.pgp and not seen any
replies/followups from outside Europe - how about you? Have I made it into
everyone's kill file, or is there some problem?
- --Paul
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| 11sci.crypt |
In article <C5x97x.1EA@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
>
>"No church will admit that I am right except the one with which I am
>associated. This makes them witnesses against each other, and how can I
>decide in such a case as this, seeing they are all unlike the Church of
>Christ, as it existed in former days!" (p. 31).
>
The idea of an apostacy did not originate with Lucy Smith or Joseph
Smith or the Mormons. The idea of a restoration was quite common
in the early 19th century USA. Alexander Campbell, founder of the
group that now survives with the name "Disciples of Christ" preached
that the primitive church had been lost and was attempting to restore
it (although not be revelations). Many Cambellites subsequently became
Mormons, including co-founder Sidney Rigdon. Actually, you can find
such sentiments in many of the early protestants of the reformation,
such as Martin Luther.
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
ktj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (kerry todd johnson) writes:
> Is anybody out there willing to discuss with me careers in the Army that deal
> with space? After I graduate, I will have a commitment to serve in the Army,
> and I would like to spend it in a space-related field. I saw a post a long
> time ago about the Air Force Space Command which made a fleeting reference to
> its Army counter-part. Any more info on that would be appreciated. I'm
> looking for things like: do I branch Intelligence, or Signal, or other? To
> whom do I voice my interest in space? What qualifications are necessary?
> Etc, etc. BTW, my major is computer science engineering.
Kerry-- I'm guessing a little at this, because it's been a few years
since I saw the info, but you will probably want to look at Air Defense
Artillery as a specialty, or possibly Signals. The kind of thing you're
looking for is SDI-type assignments, but it'll be pretty prosaic stuff.
Things like hard-kill ATBM missiles, some of the COBRA rigs -- that kind
of thing.
Hope that gives you some ideas on where to look, though.
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Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com
Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289
| 14sci.space |
A few days back someone posted info on a gopher site where you could
search for medical graphics, etc. Could someone please repost or mail me
a copy? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
Mark
===================================================================
Mark Morley, UNIX/SUN Manager NET: morley@camosun.bc.ca
Camosun College - Interurban Campus TEL: (604) 370-4601
4461 Interurban Road Room 143-Tech FAX: (604) 370-3660
Victoria, B.C. Canada V8X 3X1
| 1comp.graphics |
Skip Koppenhaver (skip@eco.twg.com) wrote:
:
: Has anyone found a fix for the following problem?
:
: Client Software: SunOs 4.1.1, X11R5
: Server Hardware: Sun IPC
: Server Software: SunOs 4.1.1, Open Windows 3.0 (w/ patch 100444-37)
:
: A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the
: OpenWindows 3.0 server (xnews). The pulldown is displayed but then no
: button actions have any effect. Sometimes pressing <Return> will
: unstick the application but not usually. It looks like the pulldown is
: grabbing the focus and never letting go. Other windows on the display
: continue to get updated so the server isn't hanging. If I log in from
: another terminal and kill the Motif application then everything gets
: back to normal. The same application when run against other X servers
: (including MIT X11R5 Xsun, DecWindows, Tektronix X terminal) has no
: problems. This is obviously a OpenWindows problem but I need a
: work-around since most of our customers are OpenWindows users.
I have seen the same problem using a SPARCStation 10, Solaris 2.1, OW 3.1.
In my case, it happens far more often than "periodically".
Help?
| 5comp.windows.x |
On the subject of the V4,Ford in the UK used V4 engines exstensively in
their Ford Transit vans.This brings back a memory from the seventies.I
played in a band at the time and for something like 180 pounds four of
us bought a 1967 "tranny" to cart the gear around in.It was in terrible
shape (cosmetically) because it's last owner was a pig farmer.We spent
days cleaning it up and putting in a partition and more seating but 'til
the day it died everytime you turned on the fan to the defroster dried
pig shit came flying out the vents!!!.
Back to the engine if I remember right it was a 1600cc V4 and that
thing could haul,we could fill it with equipment and up to 8 people and
it went like a bat out of hell,of course there were no pollution controls
on the engine and the gas was leaded and higher octane than we get now.
When the mechanical fuel pump quit we put in an electric one from a
Morris Minor that worked great. Ah fond memories.
--
pwe@slipknot.mit.edu "I'd like to own a squadron of tanks"
Paul W. Emery Ron Nasty--The Rutles
M I T Magnet Lab Cambridge Mass U.S.A.
COSTELLOBEATLESSPINALTAPFAWLTYTOWERSMUTTSAVENGERSSTARTREK.TNGENGLANDRUTLES
| 7rec.autos |
FURY OF MOTHER NATURE
Man's contribution to environmental "pollution" are paltry compared to those
of nature. In her exceptional book TRASHING THE PLANET, former Atomic Energy
Commision Chairman Dr. Dixie Lee Ray notes based on the available data, "all
of the air polluting materials produced by man since the beginning of the
industrial revolution do not begin to equal the quantities of toxic
materials, aerosols, and particulates spewed into the air from just three
volcanoes: Krakatoa in Indonesia in 1883, Mount Katmai in Alaska in 1912, and
Hekla in Iceland in 1947." To which could be added Mount St. Helens in
Washington State in 1980 (which pumped out 910,000 metric tons of carbon
dioxide alone). El Chicon in Mexico in 1982 (which sent more than 100 million
tons of sulfur gases into the stratosphere), and Mount Pinatubo in the
Philippines (which in 1991 hurled upwards of 30 million tons of material into
the stratosphere).
LOS NINOS
Many environmentalists attributed the 1988 drought in the U.S. to global
warming, but researchers with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in
Boulder Colorado reported that the freakish weather was actually due to a
natural phenomenon, the interaction of El Nino and El Nina, two massive
currents in the tropical Pacific. El Nino is a huge strip of warm water that
periodically appears off the coast of South America and disrupts the world's
weather patterns. Now and then, it alternates with El Nina, a mass of cold
water that comes from the ocean depths along the equator and drifts for
thousands of miles.
CHICAGO TRIBUNE'S Peter Gorner summarized the phenomenon: "Cold water along
the equator clashed with warmer than normal water southeast of Hawaii. The
result was both the U.S. drought and the devastating floods that swamped
Bangladesh...... Nina's cooler water disrupted tropical weather patterns and
distorted the path of the Jet Stream across North America. Then the Jet
Stream shoved rain-producing weather systems away from the interior of the
U.S. resulting in drought."
TERMITE TERROR
Sundry animals and insects also contribute their share to environmental
"degradation. TIME for April 20,1992 noted that in "the Netherlands... manure
from pigs poses a major ecological threat, defiling water supplies with
excessive nitrites and acidifying local soils. Sheep have permanently scarred
the landscape in Spain and Portugal, while in India ... bovines [cows] are
ravenous wraiths whose constant quest for food drives them to ravage
standing forrests."
The February 1983 issue of SCIENCE DIGEST reported that "an international
team of researchers has discovered that termites generate more than twice the
Carbon Dioxide that fuel burning does." According to a study reported in
SCIENCE for November 5, 1982, the "estimated gross amount of Carbon Dioxide
produced [by termites] was more than twice the net global input from fossil
fuel combustion." In addition, "Termites are a potentially important source
of atmospheric methane: they could account for a large fraction of global
emmisions." The wood-eating pests have a bacteria that enables them too
digest carbon so efficiently that some 90 pe is converted too Carbon Dioxide,
methane, and other gases they belch into the atmosphere.
Ants are another natural source of "pollution." In 1987, an atmospheric
chemist with Bell Laboratories, and zoologists from Cornell University,
reported that ants of the subfamily FORMICINAE make and store huge quantities
of the formic acid that contributes most of the acidity of rain that falls in
remote areas and is found in atmosphere gas and precepitation around the
globe. It is abundant, for instance, in the fog and mists that hang over the
rain forests of Central Africa. According to the July 6, 1987 INSIGHT
magazine, the "ants release the acid when defending themselves and
communicating with each other and upon dying. Since 30 percent of the world
ant population belongs to this subfamily, there is significant concern about
the acid the ants release," an amount estimated at "600,000 metric tons
annually." which is equal to the combined formic acid contributions of
automobiles, refuse combustion and vegetation."
Clearly, man has a long way to go to match nature as a "despoiler" of the
environment.
By Robert W. Lee.
------
techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
The Cellar BBS - (215) 539-3043
| 18talk.politics.misc |
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again.
>Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!
>Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world.
>Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.
>I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who
>responds to "miracle cures."
>Yeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously.
>Snort.
>Yeah, "it sounds reasonable to me".
>Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass.
>More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome.
>You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused
>in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.
>The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.
>The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap
>and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any
>systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without
>any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use
>IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve
>the "yeast" problem once and for all.
>Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating
>your symptoms.
>Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate
>to think my insurance premiums are going towards this.
Steve, take a look at what you are saying. I don't see one construvtive
word here. If you don't have anything constructive to add, why waste
the bandwidth - yeah, sure, flame me for doing it myself. Is this
sci.med or alt.flame? Like it or not, medical science does *not* know
categorically everything about everything. I'm not flaming your
knowledge, just asking you to sit back and ask yourself "what if?"
"Minds are like parachutes - they only function when they are open."
Oh - and if you *do* want to flame me or anyone else, how about using
email?
Rob
Who doesn't claim any relevant qualifications, just interest
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robg@citr.uq.oz.au | The gift of love, the joy of life
CITR | And the making of music in all its forms
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr19.173130.5452@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.144240.1088@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>
>>Out of curiousity, why haven't you pointed this same thing out to Mr
>>Neiporent, who seems to be making the (unsubstantiated) accusation
>>against Will Clark? As for "taking the word" of those two, Leonard has
>>repeatedly said he had no problems with Will, and Mitchell refused to
>>comment.
>
>Mike, you again prove your utter inability to read plain english.
It is ironic that in any post that criticizes langauge ability, the critic
invariably makes a mistake himself ("english" is generally written "English".)
>Find somebody who *is* literate, and have them explain my *full* post
>to you.
>
>I am not saying Will Clark is a racist.
>I am not saying Will Clark is *not* a racist.
>I am saying that I do not know, and *you* do not know.
>I am saying that I do not care, and consider it the Giants' concern.
Oddly, I do not see that I have contested any of that. Perhaps you, with
assuredly greater "english" ability can explain, in tiny words that I might
grasp their meaning, precisely WHERE I infer that you have said any of those
things?
>David Nieporent understood my post and replied in private e-mail. You
>should, perhaps, take reading lessons from him.
No Mr Fisher, you should place the burden of proof on the one who makes the
allegation in the first place. You do not. Perhaps you might explain why that
is? As for the email route, Mr Fisher, you might have tried that yourself.
Mike
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Turkish Historical Revision <9305111942@zuma.UUCP> via dotage sera@zuma.UUCP
(Serdar Argic) responded to article <1sn5f5INNkh6@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) who wrote:
[MP] Actually, I would like to get a compilation of these one liners,
[MP] so that I could print them out and show them to my friends over the
[MP] summer, and they can see what kind of clowns exist out there in Chicago.
Check out alt.fans.serdar.argic!
[(*] Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920,
[(*] the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated
[(*] in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion
[(*] and national origin?
Muslim race? Muslim national origin? You fool!
[(*] 1) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of Van.[1,2,3,4,5]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 2) Armenians did slaughter 42% of Muslim population of Bitlis.[1,2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 3) Armenians did slaughter 31% of Muslim population of Erzurum.[1,2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 4) Armenians did slaughter 26% of Muslim population of Diyarbakir.[1,2,
[(*] 3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 5) Armenians did slaughter 16% of Muslim population of Mamuretulaziz.[1,
[(*] 2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 6) Armenians did slaughter 15% of Muslim population of Sivas.[1,2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 7) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of the x-Soviet
[(*] Armenia.[1,2,3,4]
No. The Azeri population of Armenia in 1988, after anti-Armenian pogroms in
Azerbaijan, was kicked out and sent to Azerbaijan. The remaining Muslims
stayed in Armenia!
[(*] [1] McCarthy, J., "Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman
[(*] Anatolia and the End of the Empire," New York
[(*] University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144.
Let's check it out! On page 121 of this Turkish suggested reference we read:
"The 1927 Turkish census registered not one person of the Gregorian Armenian
faith in Van, only one in Bayazit, and twelve in Erzurum. A people who had
lived in eastern Anatolia since before recorded history were simply gone."
[(*] [2] Karpat, K., "Ottoman Population," The University of Wisconsin Press,
[(*] 1985.
Let's check it out, but first of all the complete title of this reference
includes the words "1830-1914". Thus such a reference cannot support the
above claimed garbage! However, since this is a Turkish suggested reference,
on pages 51 and on Table I2-B it states there were 2.4 million Armenians in
Turkey from 1844-1856. I guess they "were simply gone" after WWI!
[(*] [3] Hovannisian, R. G., "Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.
[(*] University of California Press (Berkeley and
[(*] Los Angeles), 1967, pp. 13, 37.
Let's check it out! On page 48 of this Turkish-suggested reference, under
sub-title, "Deportation and Massacre of Turkish Armenians" it states:
"Several authors assert that Armenian resistance at Van constituted a key
factor in the Turkish evacuation of Persia and motivated the Ittihadist
[Young Turk] leaders to annihilate the Turkish Armenians. The question of
responsibility for the massacres or deportation of nearly all Ottoman
Armenians has evolved into a polemic. Hundreds of books, articles, and
documents have been published to describe the horrifying scenes of violence
and death. Many writers, such as the British Bryce and Toynbee, French Pinon,
German Lepsius, American Morganthau and Gibbons, have insisted that the
massacres were predetermined and ruthlessly executed. The have refuted the
Ottoman government's official publications and justifications by
substantiating that anti-Armenian measures were deliberated by the
Ittihadists even before the outbreak of war. The fact remains than an
estimated eight hundred thousand to over a million Armenians perished within
a few months, and several hundred thousand more succumbed in the following
years to the ravages of disease, famine, and refugee life. Unknown numbers
of women and children were converted forcibly to Islam, possessed by
Turkish men, or adopted by Moslem families."
[(*][4] Shaw, S. J., 'On Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies
[(*] in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey
[(*] (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of
[(*] Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)." (London, Cambridge University
[(*] Press 1977). pp. 315-316.
Stanford Shaw is a paid liar/revisionist for the Turkish government, and has
been exposed as a plagiarizer! For example:
Experts from an interview (in Greek) with Professor Spyros Vryonis (from NYC's
National Herald, 3/12/93) [Thanks, Mr. G.B.]
"Few people know of the problem I faced at UCLA when Professor Stanford
Shaw was due for promotion. I knew him to be Turkey's man; due to my
reading knowledge of Turkish and my seniority over him, I was a member
of the promotion committee. For that case, I sat down and read his entire
treatise "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey". It took me
three months and I found out, from volume I, that he had plagiarized
Uzun Jarsoglu, an eminent Turkish specialist on Ottoman history. Shaw
himself claimed in his introduction that his treatise was the outcome
of a 20-year search through the Ottoman Archives. Well, I went on leave
and managed to show 40% of Volume I, containing around 5000 sentences,
to be the result of plagiarism, matching each sentence with passages
from the original work. He had even reproduced the errors. So I produced a
500-pages manuscript and submitted a 60-pages report on Shaw's plagiarism.
The University, however, rejected my report and, after a closed meeting,
promoted Stanford Shaw to Distinguished Professor. I paid a price for
all this: upset by the whole process, I confronted the entire University
structure and was considered to be a chauvinist and madman. I asked for
permission to run a seminar on Shaw's book that was denied by the President
of the University. While the Center for Near Eastern Studies granted me
permission, the President was depriving me of my academic freedom. Luckily,
the Dean refused to give in and I did run the seminar, attended by more
than 150 academic people, in which I uncovered Stanford Shaw, who refused
to attend. As a punishment, the University froze all my raises."
[5] "Gochnak" (Armenian newspaper published in the United States), May 24,
1915.
No chance! There was no May 24th, 1915 issue of Gochnak!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
From article <1993Apr17.010256.14372@eafs000.ca.boeing.com>, by ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto):
> rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes:
>>
>>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing.
>>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean:
>>
>> -) multi-screen
>> -) multi-headed
>> -) multi-display
>> -) X-Server zaphod mode
>>
>>Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle
>>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ?
>>
>>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one
>>screen/display to another.
>
> As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit
> would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the
> server.
>
This all sounds suspiciously like my company might have something to
do with this.
Background first: Megatek has a series of framebuffers designed as
X accelerators. For the most part these are designed for Sun SBUS
and Sun (and other vendor's) VME systems.
That said, Megatek products support multi-screen and/or multi-display
on a sigle workstation. Most of our cards have a keyboard/mouse port
which can be used to provide additional displays. For example, say
you hade a Sparcstation with an Sbus expansion chassis. You could
put in six frambuffers, allowing a total of six screens in the system.
You could then attach from 1 to 6 keyboard/mice, allowing you to
mix and match any combination of screens and displays. You could
have 1 6-screen display, 3 2-screen displays, 6 1-screen displays,
or 1 2-screen display and 1 4-screen display. Basically any
combination.
Because of this, we at Megatek try to be very careful about the use
of the words multi-screen and multi-display. They are quite different
in meaning, and (at least in X) have exact definitions.
The reason I ramble like this is the mention of an upper limit if 12
screens in a display. As it so happens, there's a define in the server
that determines the most screens supported (server/include/misc.h,
MAXSCREENS). As released my MIT, this is 3. As released by Megatek,
this is 12.
As such, the most screens supported by a single Megatek display (i.e.
X server) is 12. If someone construed this to be a limitation of X
I'm sorry, but clearly (as pointed out so well by Mr. Neto) this is
not the case.
We just did it here because nobody has ever asked us for more. Of
course, I could say "Buy all you want, we'll support more."
--
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...ucsd! ...hplabs!hp-sdd! ...ames!scubed! ...uunet!
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In article <1993Apr19.141933.29924@nntpserver.chevron.com> jviv@usmi01.midland.
chevron.com (John Viveiros) writes:
>In article <C5pEAy.M15@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer
kyle cramm) writes:
>>
>> The entire second trial was about race, Ted. I don't feel compelled to
>>discuss Mr. King's racial background, but had Mr. King been white there would
>>not have been a second trial. You probably are saying that the beating would
>>not have occurred if he were white, but that is an extremely difficult call
>>to make. It is possible the case, but not definately.
>>
>One could easily point out that the jury decided that this "extremely
>difficult call" could be made, which is why the two of the defendants
>were found guilty. One could also make some interesting observations on
>our system of justice, where the men were not guilty of excessive force,
>but guilty enough to have violated his civil rights by use of the
>(non-existant) excessive force.
>--
It is also interesting to note that Powell (and maybe Koons) were found
guilty of aiding and abetting the deprival of King's civil rights...but,
two others who also beat King and all the others who watched were not.
Go figure? Can you say sacraficial lambs? Can you say appeal?
>John Viveiros (jviv@chevron.com)
>Chevron USA Standard disclaimer applies
>Midland TX
JSL.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
...let me point out that both GUI-based word-processors and text-based
formatters both have a language; one happens to be mouse- and
action-based, and the other symbol-based.
True, but that's beside the point. This is a fact about an abstract model
of what the GUI users are doing, not about what they actually *are* doing.
This abstract model is only apparent from the perpective of a *programmer*
of the system. (NB: some users may see it, too, but only when they put
aside the work at hand and start thinking like a programmer.)
I'm not saying that the programmer's perspective is evil or stunted. After
all, that's what I do, too! I am saying that UI designers must carefully
distinguish between the user/programmer conceptual models, and they must
ultimately serve the user of the system, not the builder of the system.
I don't recall the actual stats, but something like 1 in 5 people can be
categorized as a "symbol manipulator".
It would be interesting to know more about the meaning and basis for this
claim. At any rate, I don't think this is evidence that 20% of users think
like programmers. Bankers, financial analysts, structural engineers ---
these are all people whose work you could characterize as primarily symbol
manipulation. But what they do is not programming, and programming is not
required to do what they do.
To restate my previous point: yes, users want to build their own solutions;
no, they do not want to do programming to accomplish this.
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1qu85s$6j0@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
|>
|> I can produce a list of sufficient conditions for "not owner" which will
|> satisfy almost anyone. It's fairly clear who doesn't own the states. I
|> don't for example, and nor do you. It's also clear that regardless of who
|> owns the states, $1 is a bad deal in all plausible cases. So even in the
|> absence of an objective definition of "owner" (though that is an interesting and
|> important point, which jon livesey has also raised about the word "Freedom")
|> the conclusion stands.
Now I'll raise the issue again in connection with Mr O'Dwyer's use
of the word "plausible".
I can plause all kinds of cases, for example: in which people
actually own land, but don't know that, and so are willing to "sell"
it in play for derisory sums, only to find that they sold it for
real. Cases in which their mental capacity is imnpaired. Cases
in which they err about the true value of what they are selling.
Pretty soon you have to start talking about "informed owner"
"competent owner" "educated owner" and so on, and the concept
gets less and less clear and exceptions more and more plausible.
But the real problem remains that of looking only at end-points
in a context. Maybe most of us will agree with you that a pebble
is "small" and that the Moon is "big", but that does not mean that
you have an objective measuring scale. Only that these two are
fairly common opinions *in context*.
An astronomer may claim that the Moon is actually "tiny" and
a micro-biologist may remark that a pebble is "huge". Similarly,
if an armed Serbian offers a helpless Bosnian a dollar and his
life for his land, rather than killing him and taking it for free,
the Bosnian may consider that he is getting quite a good deal.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <0096B9BF.EB6A4220@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>
icsgh339@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>This is my first time on the network, but I am very concerned with this
>incident in Waco. I will refrain from stating my opinions until after I have
>read the FAQ. Could someone tell me how to get this? I must say that I
>believe the Govt. was wrong in the actions that they took in this situation.
As far as I know, there is no FAQ for tpg. Somebody was working
on one, but I think it "died in committee."
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PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed\
When you pushed me down the elevator shaft\ ... Sometimes I get to
thinking you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al" Yankovic.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
scott@prism.gatech.edu (Scott Holt) writes:
> "Hate the sin but love the sinner"...I've heard that quite a bit recently,
> often in the context of discussions about Christianity and homosexuality...
> but the context really isn't that important. My question is whether that
> statement is consistent with Christianity. I would think not.
I'm very grateful for scott's reflections on this oft-quoted phrase. Could
someone please remind me of the Scriptural source for it? (Rom. 12.9 doesn't
count, kids.) The manner in which this little piece of conventional wisdom is
applied has, in my experience, been uniformly hateful and destructive.
billh
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <wb9omc.735430855@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu>, wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes...
> BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest,
>6 WATTS. I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company
>name. The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power,
>mamamia, that's pretty hot. They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a
>1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals.
>If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the
>pertinent info.
>
You are probably referring to the products of
Opto Diode Corp.
750 Mitchell Road
Newbury Park Ca 91320
805 499-0335
The make some amazing IRLED's. The really high-powered devices are arrays of
3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header. The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in
response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle. I think these are
designed as illuminators for IR vision systems.
I would also be interested in the application here. I work with a Dance and
Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot
wide stage from 50 feet away.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C6067p.Lsp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) writes:
>
> I will also be happy will a good performance. We played OK in
>Vancouver, but much better last night, as the 'big' guys were going
>for the Jets.
Yep, though my reasons for being relatively quiet are simple...last year
I woofed when we went up 3-1 on the Canucks...and look where it got me. :)
>
> By the way, did Domi play last night? I didn't notice him
>on the ice.
Domi got tossed in the 2nd with a high-sticking major. He had been
playing with Kris King and Stu Barnes...and it was this line that was
arguably the best in the first two games.
>
> I am very glad to have found some places in Champaign,
>Illinois that have satillite dishes to pick up the CBC Vancouver feed.
>And I'm also glad to have found some other hockey fans, some Jets and
>some Canucks fans, to watch the game with.
>
Definitely a good thing...every little cheer helps, Evan. :)
Good thing the net doesn't need a voice to operate...I won't have one
Sunday night when I get home, I hope. White noise here we come! ;)
>
One thing, I WILL say though...Vancouver can KEEP Steve Armitage and
John Garrett as a broadcast team...those two are BAD, especially when
you are spoiled by Don Wittman. (At least four or five times, Steve called
Barnes Selanne. Whoops! :)
Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores!
The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1r3lf9$fu0@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mark A. Cartwright <markc@emx.utexas.edu> writes:
>Well,
>
>42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the
>answer to the Question of "Life, the Universe, and Everything else."
>That is to quote Douglas Adams in a round about way.
>
>Of course the Question has not yet been discovered...
But the Question was later revealed to be: What is 9 x 6? (In the
base 13 system, of course.)
--
Chuck Divine
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <May.11.05.06.28.1993.5458@geneva.rutgers.edu> hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu writes:
>this came from. Here's his response: Kinsey (see below) is the source
>of the figure 10 percent.
There was an article in USA today a few months ago showing the results
of a study that actually only about 1% were homosexual. I saw another
figure that listed 2% as the figure. Of course, even if it were 99%
that would have little bearing on whether or not it is a sinful behavior.
How many people have commited other acts of fornication? How many
people have lied or sinned in other ways?
>But in all fairness, the "shameless" nature of their acts is a
>reflection of the general spiritual state of the people, and not a
>specific feature of homosexuality.
Why isn't it a specific feature of homosexuality? Paul describes
"men with men working that which is unseemly" to describe the acts.
Sure, there spirtual nature was depraved also, and like the other
sins, the idolatry, the other sexual immoraity, and the other sins
sprang from their depraved spiritual state which was a result of
man's not glorifying God as God and being thankful. Still, their
acts were shameless.
>homosexuality or even considered it acceptable in some cases. On the
>other hand, none of these passages contains explicit teachings on the
>subject. Rom 1 is really about idolatry. It refers to homosexuality
>in passing.
Is everything sinful specifically elaborated on in the New Testament?
Scripture does not condemn being a drug dealer. Being ruled by the
Spirit rather than the letter not only frees from legalism, it also
protects us from sins that are against the Spirit. The word is a
two edged sword that cuts both ways.
I think we must be careful before we totally throw out Leviticus.
If the Law is reflection of God's character and true holy nature, then
those who say that God endorses homosexuality run into a problem.
If homosexuality were "natural" (whatever that means) wholesome,
endorsed by God, and those who oppose sexual behavior are narrow-minded
biggots, as some would have us believe, why is there a condemnation of
it in Leviticus. This condemnation is in the midst of all the other
sex sin condemnations, and there is nothing in the text to say that this
law was limited to temple prostitution, and no good reason to believe that
this was the case. Furthermore, male homosexual sex was a death-penalty
crime!
Is every sin elaborated on in the New Testament? Take a look at
I Corinthians 5. Paul said that one of the Corinthians had broken a
law not even heard of among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's
wife. There is a prohibition against having your father's wife in
Leviticus. No other new Testament verse clearly condemns it (besides
this one.) Notice that Paul did not say that the sin was in commiting
adultery, etc.- he spoke against having one's father's wife.
Notice also that this sexual condemnation in Leviticus is not mentioned
in the specific context of paganism either. And there was no pagan
coustom mentioned in I corinthians either. As a matter of fact
taking one's father's wife wasn't even done among the Gentiles. It was
just a plain blantant sin, whether worshipping idols was involved or
not.
>One commonly made claim is that Paul had simply never faced the kinds
>of questions we are trying to deal with. He encountered homosexuality
>only in contexts where most people would probably agree that it was
>wrong. He had never faced the experience of Christians who try to act
>"straight" and fail, and he had never faced Christians who are trying
>to define a Christian homosexuality, which fits with general Christian
>ideals of fidelity and of seeing sexuality as a mirror of the
>relationship between God and man. It is unfair to take Paul's
>judgement on homosexuality among idolaters and use it to make
>judgements on these questions.
One of the reasons that some of us do not accept that common argument
is because Paul probably did face this and other problems. Sin can
be tough to over come, especially without supernatural power. Is
homosexual sin any more difficult to overcome that heterosexual sin,
like lusting after a married woman, or sleeping around with people of
the opposite sex? I doubt it, and even if it is, that is no excuse.
God is greater than all of it.
Another reason we reject it is because it ignores the supernatural
power of God to intervene in this kind of situation. How many
people have been set free from sin by the power of God? Sure there
may be any groups that have tried to change homosexuals and failed.
That is a reflection on the people involved in the program, and not
God's willingness and ability to change a sinner. Any program that
uses formulas may fail. What people need is the power of God to
change them, whether they are involved in homosexual sin, or any other
sin.
>I claim that the question of how to counsel homosexual Christians is
>not entirely a theological issue, but also a pastoral one. Paul's
>tendency, as we can see in issues such as eating meat and celebrating
>holidays, is to be uncompromising on principle but in pastoral issues
>to look very carefully at the good of the people involved, and to
>avoid insisting on perfection when it would be personally damaging.
>For example, while Paul clearly believed that it was acceptable to eat
>meat, he wanted us to avoid pushing people into doing an action about
>which they had personal qualms.
I don't see how you come to that conclusion. Paul's dealings with
pastorial issues encouraged people to give up their liberties in order
to spare others- not to allow people to continue in sin because it
was just too difficult. Take the example of eating meat offered to idols.
Paul felt that there was nothing wrong, in an abstract sense, with
eating the meat. Yet he advised believers to sacrifice their liberty
to eat meat in order to spare others.
But Paul never allowed people to sin because living holy was just to
tough. Paul wrote to "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts
thereof." (Romans 13:14) Then he goes in to a discourse on how we
should sacrifice our own liberty in order to spare the consciences of others.
Suppose it were not a sin for people to practice homosexual acts.
Since others consider it to be a sin, then using Paul's approach
on pastorial issues, those who would otherwise be homosexuals should
sacrifice their liberty and be celbate or monogamously married to a
member of the opposite sex. Paul never offers a lesser sin (homosexual
"marriage") to prevent people from engaging in what may be considered
a more damaging sin.
>For another example, Paul obviously
>would have preferred to see people (at least in some circumstances)
>remain unmarried. Yet if they were unable to do so, he certainly
>would rather see them married than in a state where they might be
>tempted to fornication.
Yet marriage itself is not a sin. marriage is holy in all- and something
that God ordains, and Paul recognizes this.
> Note that in the
>creation story work enters human life as a result of sin. This
>doesn't mean that Christians can stop working when we are saved.
Actually, Adam was put in the garden to tend to it before he fell.
After he fell he would have to toil over the ground.
>The dangers of trying to cure it are that the attempt most often
>fails, and when it does, you end up with damage ranging from
>psychological damage to suicide, as well as broken marriages when
>attempts at living as a heterosexual fail.
That is why we are dependent totally on God- what a vunerable and glorious
position to be it. We all must be transformed by the renewing of our
minds- and that is the only way homosexuals can walk in freedom, just
like anyone else.
>but I can well imagine Paul
>preferring to see people in long-term, committed Christian
>relationships than promiscuity. As with work -- which Genesis
>suggests wasn't part of God's original ideal either -- I think such
>relationships can still be a vehicle for people sharing God's love
>with each other.
I'm sure you can see how people with the opposing view see this
conclusion. It's like saying, "How should I kill myself, with gun or
aresenic? What about the person who just is overcome with a desire to
sleep with goats? Would it be better for him to sleep with one goat,
or all of them? What about the person who wants to sleep with his aunts?
Would it be better for him to sleep with one aunt or all of them?
In all these cases, the more people or animals one sleeps with, the higher
the chance that they will get a disease. But this only deals with
physical aspects of the question. Whichever sin is commited, it all
leads to spiritual death.
>Cent. actions are the same. When Christian homosexuals say that their
>relationships are different than the Greek homosexuality that Paul
>would have been familiar with, this is exactly the same kind of
>argument that is being made about judicial oaths and tax collectors.
The issue that is most often addressed in Scripture seems to be the
actual act. Second, isn't it historical snobbery to say that
only homosexuals of this century are capable of having "loving
relationships?" There are ancient writings glorifying homosexual "love."
(btw, I am one who believes in refraining from making oathes. Also,
where do you get that tax collectors are sinners. That's certainly not
explicit. Jesus didn't tell Zachias to quit his job.)
Link Hudson.
[I'm reluctant to comment in this in detail. Our basic concepts of
the intention of Jesus and Paul are greatly different. As I indicated
in the article, whatever the ambiguities of various words (and I still
think they are significant), it does seem clear that Paul considered
the homosexuality he saw around him wrong. What you do with this fact
depends upon your basic approach to the Bible. I'm afraid that
communication between legalist and anti-legalist Christians is even
harder than between Protestants and Catholics in the 16th Cent. Since
you disagree with my starting point, obviously you're going to
disagree with all of the intermediate discussion and conclusions.
Sometimes discussion is still useful. I've seen some very interesting
work on Paul done by Jews. Obviously they don't agree with him, but
they sometimes have helpful insight into what he meant. But I don't
see much sign for hope here. In talk.religion.misc there's an axiom
that by the time Hitler's name is invoked, all hope for sensible
discussion is gone. On this subject, when sleeping with goats is
invoked, I don't think there's enough basis for understanding to be
worth pursuing. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it
anywhere. Thanks!!!!1
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In article <C6C5zA.J7I@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Mike Tancsa <mdtancsa@watarts.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
>
>
>I have just upgraded from a Trident TVGA9000 to an ATI Graphics Ultra (the
>old mach8 chip). I am quite pleased with the performance so far, but have
>one problem. When using windows in 800x600, I have noticed that the
>tile bars and scroll bars are significantly larger than they were when I
>was using the Trident card. Is there a setting in my .ini files that I can
>change to make these smaller ? I could not find the FAQ for this list...
>
> --Mike
>
>MDTANCSA@WATARTS.UWATERLOO.CA
>
Make sure you use the small fonts driver & not the large fonts driver. Check
that in your setup. That's the only explanation I would find.
Hope this helps
Gel
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I am trying to run xwd on a Sun SPARCstation IPX
with SunOS 4.1.2 and Openwindows 3.0. I am using
the Motif window manager. I have been unsuccessful
in using xwd under Motif. I get the following when
doing xwd -out xwd.dmp
X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
Major opcode of failed request: 73 (X_GetImage)
Resource id in failed request: 0x500043
Serial number of failed request: 213
Current serial number in output stream: 213
Does anyone have any insight to this ?
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This section will describe additions since the last post so that you can
decide if there is anything worth reading. Paragraphs containing new
information will be preceded by two asterisks (**).
1.: New Anaheim contact, Winnipeg to keep affiliate in Moncton.
2.: New Milwaukee contact, IHL broadcaster of the year named, Rheaume to
start against Cyclones, San Diego sets record.
3.: Ticket info included for 1994 NCAA Division I Championships.
4.: World Championship Pool B results listed, Sweden Hockey Games final
standings listed, Swedish Elite League final standings listed, new Olypmic
Hockey mailing list.
5.: New Montreal mailing list address.
6.:
7.:
8.:
9.:
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1. NHL - National Hockey League
For detailed information concerning a team (particularly where to get
tickets and merchandise, where to watch games in town....), send e-mail to
the net contact(s) for the team.
First # of Last
Team Div Season Cups Cup Net Contacts
--------------------- --- ------ ---- ------ ----------------------
**
Anaheim Mighty Ducks - 93-94 - - Kris Myers
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu
Boston Bruins A 24-25 5 71-72
Buffalo Sabres A 70-71 0 - Jeff Horvath
jhorvath@macc.wisc.edu
Calgary Flames S 80-81* 1 88-89 CALDWELL8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Chicago Blackhawks N 26-27 3 60-61 John Scholvin
scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Detroit Red Wings N 33-34* 7 54-55 SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com
Edmonton Oilers S 79-80* 5 89-90 Andrew Scott
andrew@idacom.hp.com
Hartford Whalers A 79-80* 0 - Matthew Olsen
dmolsen@athena.mit.edu
Los Angeles Kings S 67-68 0 - Stan Willis
willis@empire.dnet.hac.com
Minnesota North Stars N 67-68* 0 - Mitch McGowan
hamlet@u.washington.edu
Montreal Canadiens A 17-18 22 85-86
New Jersey Devils P 82-83* 0 -
New York Islanders P 72-73 4 82-83 Mark Anania
ananim@rpi.edu
New York Rangers P 26-27 3 39-40 Paul Romano
romano@monolith.bellcore.com
Ottawa Senators A 92-93 0 - Scott Simpson
simpson@bnr.ca
Philadelphia Flyers P 67-68 2 74-75 Pete Clark
seth@hos1cad.att.com
Pittsburgh Penguins P 67-68 2 91-92 Lori Iannamico
lli+@cs.cmu.edu
Thomas Sullivan
tms@cs.cmu.edu
Quebec Nordiques A 79-80* 0 -
St. Louis Blues N 67-68 0 - Joseph Achkar
jca2@cec1.wustl.edu
San Jose Sharks S 91-92 0 - Nelson Lu
claudius@leland.stanford.edu
**
South Florida - 93-94 - -
Tampa Bay Lightning N 92-93 0 - Tom Wilson
wilson@eola.cs.ucf.edu
Toronto Maple Leafs N 26-27* 11 66-67 Darryl Gamble
darryl@cs.yorku.ca
Vancouver Canucks S 70-71 0 - Alan Chim
chim@sfu.ca
Washington Capitals P 74-75 0 - David Lu
david@eng.umd.edu
Winnipeg Jets S 79-80* 0 - umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
A=Adams N=Norris P=Patrick S=Smythe
*Calgary: formerly Atlanta Flames (72/73-79/80)
Detroit: formerly Detroit Cougars (26/27-29/30) -> Detroit Falcons
(30/31-32/33)
Edmonton: formerly Alberta Oilers (WHA) (72/73) -> Edmonton Oilers (WHA)
(72/73-78/79)
Hartford: formerly New England Whalers (WHA) (72/73-78/79)
Minnesota: Cleveland Barons were merged with Minnesota for the 1978/79
season.
New Jersey: formerly Kansas City Scouts (74/75-75/76) -> Colorado
Rockies (76/77-81/82)
Quebec: formerly Quebec Nordiques (WHA) (72/73-78/79)
Toronto: formerly Toronto Arenas (17/18-18/19) -> Toronto St. Patricks
(19/20-25/26)
Winnipeg: formerly Winnipeg Jets (WHA) (72/73-78/79)
Teams with mailing lists, see section 5 for addresses: Boston, Buffalo,
Los Angeles, Montreal, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Jose,
Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Washington.
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- Schedule
1992-1993 Schedule for the NHL
April
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
! ! ! ! ! 1 ! 2 ! 3 !
! ! ! ! !Min @ Cal!Mon @ Was!Buf @ Bos!
! ! ! ! !Det @ Chi!NYI @ NYR!Cal @ SJ !
! ! ! ! !Har @ Pit! !Chi @ StL!
! ! ! ! !Que @ Ott! !Van @ Det!
! ! ! ! !Tor @ Phi! !Win @ Edm!
! ! ! ! !Win @ SJ ! !Ott @ Har!
! ! ! ! !Van @ TB ! !Min @ LA !
! ! ! ! ! ! !Mon @ NYI!
! ! ! ! ! ! !NJ @ Tor!
! ! ! ! ! ! !TB @ Phi!
! ! ! ! ! ! !Pit @ Que!
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
! 4 ! 5 ! 6 ! 7 ! 8 ! 9 !10 !
!Bos @ Buf!Har @ NYR!Bos @ Que!Edm @ Van!Que @ Bos!Van @ Cal!Bos @ Mon!
!Cal @ SJ ! !Buf @ Min!Har @ Ott!Chi @ NYI!Pit @ NYR!Buf @ Det!
!StL @ Chi! !Cal @ LA !Mon @ Pit!Det @ TB ! !Chi @ TB !
!Pit @ NJ ! !Edm @ SJ !NYR @ NJ !SJ @ LA ! !Har @ Que!
!NYR @ Was! !NYI @ Was! !Was @ Phi! !LA @ SJ !
!Van @ Ott! !Phi @ Win! !Tor @ Win! !StL @ Min!
! ! !StL @ TB ! ! ! !NJ @ Was!
! ! ! ! ! ! !Ott @ NYI!
! ! ! ! ! ! !NYR @ Pit!
! ! ! ! ! ! !Phi @ Tor!
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
!11 !12 !13 !14 !15 !16 !17 !
!Ott @ Bos!Was @ Mon!Mon @ Buf!Bos @ Ott!Phi @ Buf! ! !
!Que @ Buf!NYR @ Phi!Cal @ Edm!NYI @ Har!SJ @ Cal! ! !
!Cal @ Van! !Chi @ Min!Pit @ NJ !Tor @ Chi! ! !
!TB @ Chi! !LA @ Van!Was @ NYR!Min @ Det! ! !
!Win @ Edm! !Ott @ Que! !Edm @ Win! ! !
!Tor @ Har! !StL @ Tor! !Har @ NYI! ! !
!Min @ StL! !TB @ Win! !Van @ LA ! ! !
!NYI @ NJ ! ! ! !NJ @ Pit! ! !
! ! ! ! !TB @ StL! ! !
+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
The season will begin on 10/6 and end on 4/15. Playoffs will begin on
4/18 and end on or before 6/14. 24 NHL regular season games will be played
in non-NHL cities during 92-93 season. Cities: Milwaukee (2), Sacramento
(2), Cleveland (2), Indianapolis, Phoenix, Miami, Oklahoma City, Dallas,
Atlanta, Cincinnati, Providence, Peoria, Hamilton (4), Saskatoon (4),
Halifax.
Here is a chart showing the number of games between the teams (84 games
each):
N N N P P W B B H M O Q C D M S T T C E L S V W
J Y Y h i a o u a o t u h e i t B o a d A J a i
I R i t s s f r n t e i t n L r l m n n
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
NJ : - 7 7 7 9 7 4 4 4 3 4 4 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
NYI: 7 - 7 9 7 7 4 3 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2
NYR: 7 7 - 7 7 9 3 4 3 4 3 4 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 2 2
Phi: 7 9 7 - 7 7 4 3 3 4 3 4 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2
Pit: 9 7 7 7 - 7 5 4 3 3 4 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2
Was: 7 7 9 7 7 - 3 4 4 3 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
Bos: 4 4 3 4 5 3 - 7 7 9 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
Buf: 4 3 4 3 4 4 7 - 9 7 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2
Har: 4 4 3 3 3 4 7 9 - 7 7 7 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3
Mon: 3 4 4 4 3 3 9 7 7 - 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 2 2
Ott: 4 3 3 3 4 4 7 7 7 7 - 9 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 3
Que: 4 3 4 4 3 3 7 7 7 7 9 - 2 2 2 2 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2
Chi: 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 - 9 7 7 7 7 3 4 5 3 4 3
Det: 2 2 2 3 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 9 - 7 7 7 7 4 3 4 4 3 3
Min: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 7 7 - 9 7 7 4 4 3 3 5 4
StL: 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 7 7 9 - 7 7 4 3 3 3 4 4
TB : 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 7 7 7 7 - 9 3 4 3 4 3 4
Tor: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 7 7 7 7 9 - 4 3 4 4 3 3
Cal: 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 4 3 4 - 7 7 9 7 7
Edm: 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 4 3 4 3 4 3 7 - 7 7 7 9
LA : 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 5 4 3 3 3 4 7 7 - 7 9 7
SJ : 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 4 3 3 4 4 9 7 7 - 7 7
Van: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 4 3 5 4 3 3 7 7 9 7 - 7
Win: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 4 4 4 3 7 9 7 7 7 -
Valerie Hammerl <hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu> has posted this year's version
of nhl.c, a schedule program for NHL games. For example, users can find
out the games played on a certain date or find out the next ten games
played by team x. A copy can be obtained by e-mailing
<hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Following is the neutral site schedule:
Tue 10/13: Calgary vs. Minnesota @ Saskatoon
Tue 10/20: Ottawa vs. Toronto @ Hamilton
Tue 11/03: Chicago vs. Washington @ Indianapolis
Tue 11/17: Toronto vs. Quebec @ Hamilton
Wed 11/18: Buffalo vs. New Jersey @ Hamilton
Tue 12/01: Los Angeles vs. Chicago @ Milwaukee
Tue 12/08: Montreal vs. Los Angeles @ Phoenix
Wed 12/09: Tampa Bay vs. New York Rangers @ Miami
Sun 12/13: Edmonton vs. New York Islanders @ Oklahoma City
Tue 12/15: New York Islanders vs. St. Louis @ Dallas
Mon 01/04: San Jose vs. Montreal @ Sacramento
Mon 01/18: Hartford vs. Winnipeg @ Saskatoon
Mon 02/08: Boston vs. Pittsburgh @ Atlanta
Mon 02/08: St. Louis vs. Hartford @ Peoria
Tue 02/16: Philadelphia vs. Calgary @ Cincinnati
Sat 02/20: Quebec vs. Tampa Bay @ Halifax
Mon 02/22: New York Rangers vs. San Jose @ Sacramento
Mon 02/22: Detroit vs. Philadelphia @ Cleveland
Tue 02/23: Winnipeg vs. Ottawa @ Saskatoon
Mon 03/01: Vancouver vs. Buffalo @ Hamilton
Thu 03/11: Minnesota vs. Vancouver @ Saskatoon
Tue 03/16: Washington vs. Detroit @ Milwaukee
Tue 03/16: New Jersey vs. Boston @ Providence *
Sun 03/21: Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton @ Cleveland
* Location subject to change
NHL Playoff Schedule:
Wales Conference Division Semifinals: April 18, 20, 22, 24, 26*, 28*, 30*
Campbell Conference Division Semifinals: April 19, 21, 23, 25, 27*, 29*, May 1*
Wales Conference Division Finals: May 2, 4, 6, 8, 10*, 12*, 14*
Campbell Conference Division Finals: May 3, 5, 7, 9, 11*, 13*, 15*
Wales Conference Final: May 16, 18, 20, 22, 24*, 26*, 28*
Campbell Conference Final: May 17, 19, 21, 23, 25*, 27*, 29*
Stanley Cup Final: June 1, 3, 5, 7, 9*, 11*, 14*
* - if neccessary
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- News & Scores
SPIKE (bryan.k.strouse) <bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> posts weekday news and
box scores (Sunday through Thursday). John P. Curcio
<jpc@philabs.philips.com> posts weekend news and box scores. Both maintain
e-mail lists for faster delivery.
Net contacts post team news as they see/hear/read it.
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- Notable team news (transactions and announcements)
Note that this information is culled from press releases and posts. It
is updated each month and only information currently under discussion or
of continuing importance or interest will be listed for more than two
postings.
Boston Bruins
Boston legislators and the developers proposing a new Boston Garden
finally agreed to a deal that puts the 19,000-seat, $160 million project
back on track to be finished in September 1995.
Right wing Daniel Marois will be sidelined indefinitely following
surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back.
**
Sent defenseman Glen Murray to Providence of the American Hockey League.
Buffalo Sabres
1-800-333-PUCK (1-800-333-7825)
Acquired left winger Bob Errey from Pittsburgh for defenseman Mike
Ramsey.
**
Veteran Buffalo Sabres broadcaster Ted Darling will be inducted into the
club's Hall of Fame Sunday, April 11. Darling, who joined the expansion
Sabres in 1970, was the team's play-by-play announcer on both television
and radio until illness forced him out of the booth during last season.
**
Recalled forwards Viktor Gordiouk and Doug MacDonald from Rochester of
American Hockey League.
Calgary Flames
Acquired veteran right wing Greg Paslawski from Philadelphia for future
considerations.
**
Recalled center Todd Harkins and left winger Tomas Forslund from Salt
Lake City of International Hockey League.
Chicago Blackhawks
The $175 million, privately financed United Center, scheduled to
open in August 1994, will be home to the NBA's Chicago Bulls and NHL's
Chicago Blackhawks. The stadium is owned by entities controlled by the two
teams. The owners apparently still have not made a decision on whether the
old Chicago Stadium will be razed for parking space once the new facility,
located directly across the street, opens.
Suspended defenseman Craig Muni indefinitely for failing to report
following a trade with Edmonton.
Detroit Red Wings
Acquired defenseman Steve Konroyd from Hartford for a sixth-round draft
pick.
Annnounced the signing of right wing Joe Frederick, their 13th pick in
the 1989 National Hockey League entry draft.
**
Two contrite hockey fans have returned the stolen Michigan Sports Hall
of Fame plaque honoring Detroit Red Wing great Gordie Howe. The bronze
plaque was stolen more than four years ago from Cobo Hall in Detroit, site
of the Michigan Hall of Fame.
Edmonton Oilers
Sent forward Esa Tikkanen to the New York Rangers for center Doug
Weight.
Traded defenseman Craig Muni to Chicago for forward Mike Hudson.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said the Edmonton Oilers' lease with
Northlands Coliseum must be improved if the team is to survive in the
city. Edmonton Northlands is a non-profit agency set up by the city to
administer exhibition facilities including the Coliseum. Oilers owner
Peter Pocklington calls his lease with Northlands horrendous and has
threatened to move the team if he doesn't get a better deal. He makes no
money from parking, concessions or building advertising. The 17,313-seat
Coliseum also has few of the lucrative private boxes that produce
significant revenues for other owners.
Announced center Kevin Todd will not need surgery but will miss the
remainder of the season with a separated shoulder.
Hartford Whalers
Sent defenseman Steve Konroyd to Detroit for a sixth-round draft pick.
Acquired left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick from
Vancouver for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick.
**
The state of Connecticut will begin negotiations to buy the Civic Center
from the city in an effort to keep the financially struggling Hartford
Whalers franchise in the city.
Los Angeles Kings
Sent center John McIntyre to the New York Rangers for defenseman Mark
Hardy and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick.
Minnesota North Stars
1-800-800-0435 if calling from the U.S.
1-800-800-0458 if calling from Canada
The Dallas City Council has approved an agreement with the Minnesota
North Stars that will bring the NHL club to Reunion Arena next season.
Defenseman Mark Tinordi, captain of the North Stars, will be sidelined
the rest of the season, including any postseason games the North Stars
might play, because of a broken collarbone.
Acquired defenseman Mark Osiecki from Winnipeg for ninth- and 10th-round
draft picks in 1993.
Added defenseman Travis Richards from the University of Minnesota.
A former employee filed a sexual harassment suit against Minnesota North
Star owner Norman Green. Karen (Kari) Dziedzic, Green's former executive
assistant, claims Green often instructed her to wear cosmetics, described
her outfits as "very hot" and "very sexy," once slapped her hand as she
was about to eat and humiliated her by grabbing her hand and rubbing it
through a client's hair.
The Minnesota North Stars, who will move to Dallas after this season,
announced that nearly 11,000 season ticket reservations have been made for
their new home at Reunion Arena, which has a capacity of 16,800.
The Met Center commission has told the Minnesota North Stars that it
wants the club out - with its keys returned - at midnight after the last
home game. The club is moving to Dallas for next season. The club must
pay unpaid interest of $4,492.80 on the team's late rent payment for 1992,
which was made earlier this month, and has been instructed not to take
property such as the scoreboard and Zamboni ice-surfacing machine.
**
Derian Hatcher's game-misconduct penalty was rescinded by the NHL,
allowing the Minnesota defenseman to play in the North Stars' last two
regular-season games. Hatcher was given the penalty during a fight at the
end of a loss at St. Louis on Sunday, April 11. But the league didn't
rescind the game-misconduct penalty Shane Churla received. The Stars
recalled center Cal McGowan from their top minor league club in Kalamazoo,
Mich., to replace Churla.
Montreal Canadiens
Acquired defenseman Rob Ramage from Tampa Bay for minor league
defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations.
New Jersey Devils
**
Bernie Nicholls publicly apologized for his criticism of referee Denis
Morel after the Devils' 5-2 loss to the Buffalo Sabres. Nicholls was
ejected by Morel for being the third man in on a fight late in the second
period of that game and afterward Nicholls called Morel "a homer" and "an
embarrassment to the referee's association."
New York Islanders
Traded right wing Daniel Marois to Boston for a conditional draft
choice.
New York Rangers
Obtained forward Esa Tikkanen from Edmonton for center Doug Weight.
Acquired left winger Mike Hartman from Tampa Bay
Acquired center John McIntyre from Los Angeles for defenseman Mark Hardy
and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick.
Defenseman Brian Leetch will undergo additional surgery on the right
ankle he broke in a non-skating fall and is not expected to play again
this season. Leetch suffered the broken ankle March 19 following a victory
over San Jose. The team said he slipped on an icy patch of pavement as he
was getting out of a taxi cab in front of his apartment.
**
Announced that defenseman James Patrick will require surgery on a
herniated disc in his back and will not play again this season.
**
Returned goaltender Corey Hirsch to Binghamton of the American Hockey
League.
Ottawa Senators
The Ottawa Senators received the go-ahead to build the 18,500-seat
Palladium on the proposed location in nearby Kanata, Ont. The projected
cost is C$150 million. Construction will be postponed until the 1995-96
season, one year behind schedule.
The Ottawa Senators lost their 37th consecutive NHL road game to tie the
1974-75 Washington Capitals for most road losses in a row.
**
Assigned left wing Martin St. Amour to New Haven of the American Hockey
League.
Philadelphia Flyers
The opening date of Spectrum II has been pushed back to fall 1995.
Formal groundbreaking has been postponed indefinitely.
Traded veteran right wing Greg Paslawski to the Calgary Flames for
future considerations.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Traded left winger Bob Errey to Buffalo for defenseman Mike Ramsey.
Reacquired defenseman Peter Taglianetti from Tampa Bay Lightning for a
third-round 1993 draft choice.
**
Revolutionary Comics of San Diego agreed to destroy all available copies
of a Mario Lemieux comic book in a settlement with the Pittsburgh Penguins
over a trademark infringement lawsuit. The Penguins sued in February
charging that the "Sport Stars Mario Lemieux" comic infringed on the
team's logo and uniform, which are registered trademarks.
Quebec Nordiques
1-800-463-3333
St. Louis Blues
St. Louis Blues center Ron Sutter will miss the rest of the season as a
result of separating his right shoulder.
San Jose Sharks
The San Jose Sharks announced that ticket prices will increase by about
30% for the 1993-94 season when they move from the Cow Palace into a new
$155-million arena in San Jose.
**
Recalled defenseman Tom Pederson from Kansas City of the International
Hockey League.
**
Reached agreement in principle with left wing Alexander Cherbayev.
Tampa Bay Lightning
1-800-881-2639
At least two investor groups are poised to build a sports arena in
downtown Tampa if the delay-plagued company that holds a lease from the
Tampa Bay Lightning bows out. Tampa Coliseum Inc. has a lease with the
National Hockey League team to develop an entertainment and sports arena
next to Tampa Stadium, but has been unable to raise enough money for the
project.
Sent left winger Mike Hartman to the New York Rangers for center Randy
Gilhen.
Sent defenseman Peter Taglianetti to Pittsburgh for a third-round 1993
draft choice.
Sent defenseman Rob Ramage to the Montreal Canadiens for minor league
defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations.
**
Manon Rheaume's first starting appearance in goal for the Atlanta
Knights was impressive enough for her coach to say she has a chance to be
a backup goalie for another minor league team next season. Rheaume, the
first female to play professional hockey, stopped 25 shots and gave up six
goals against the Cincinnati Cyclones on Saturday night, April 10. After
the game, her coach, Gene Ubriaco, said Rheaume performed well enough to
compete for the No. 2 goalie spot with the Louisville IceHawks of the East
Coast Hockey League next season. The Knights and the IceHawks are minor
league clubs of the Tampa Bay Lightning.
**
As their first season comes to a close, there are rumors swirling that
the Tampa Bay Lightning just might become the Atlanta Lightning. Or the
Minnesota Lightning. But they are just rumors, according to Lightning
general manager Phil Esposito. ESPN reported on Sunday, April 11, that
the Lightning, who have been playing in 10,400-seat Expo Hall, are
exploring opportunities to move to either Atlanta or Minneapolis. But
Esposito said there was no truth to the report. "We were disappointed
with ESPN's irresponsible comment," Esposito said. "There is just no
substance to the rumor." Rumors have been swirling for the past two years
regarding a move by Tampa Bay, which is presently discussing plans to
build a new arena.
Toronto Maple Leafs
**
Defenseman Matt Martin, who helped Maine win the 1993 NCAA hockey
championship, gave up his final year of eligibility and signed a contract
with the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Vancouver Canucks
The Vancouver Canucks have cleared the last hurdle in their effort
to build a new stadium. Vancouver council has given the green light for
the 100 million dollar complex. It will seat 20 thousand people and will
have an adjoining office tower. It will be built between the viaducts near
B.C. Place in Vancouver. Site preparation will begin this summer, with a
completion date of Fall 1995.
Traded left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick to Hartford
for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick.
Obtained defenseman Dan Ratushny from Winnipeg for a ninth-round draft
pick.
**
Signed right wing Brian Loney to a multi-year contract and assigned him
to Hamilton of American Hockey League (AHL).
Washington Capitals
(301) 808-CAPS
Traded goaltender Jim Hrivnak and future considerations to Winnipeg for
goaltender Rick Tabaracci.
Winnipeg Jets
Winnipeg Jets have been allowed economic assistance in order to
keep them in the Smythe division as a result of expansion.
Sent defenseman Mark Osiecki to Minnesota for ninth- and 10th-round
draft picks in 1993.
Sent goaltender Rick Tabaracci to Washington for Jim Hrivnak and future
considerations.
Sent defenseman Dan Ratushny to Vancouver for a ninth-round draft pick.
Winnipeg's Teemu Selanne broke the NHL's rookie points record. The Jets
rookie tied the record of 109 points, set by Peter Stastny with Quebec
(1980-81), with a goal, his 66th of the season, and moved ahead on an
assist in a 5-4 loss to Toronto.
**
The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets
will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey
League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton
to Fort Wayne next season.
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- Expansion news:
The National Hockey League announced that the expansion Anaheim and
South Florida franchises will join the league for the 1993- 1994 season.
Disney and National Hockey League officials announced Monday,
March 1, that the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, Disney's expansion team, will
take to the ice next fall. Michael Eisner, chairman and chief executive
officer of the Walt Disney Co., said the Mighty Ducks will play at the
Pond, the new Anaheim sports arena, near Disney's flagship theme park. The
arena is under construction and will be completed in June. The Pond seats
17,350. The team still must meet the league's requirement that it sell at
least 10,000 season tickets for the final grant of NHL membership.
Anaheim named Jack Ferreira general manager and Pierre Gauthier
assistant general manager.
**
Veteran NHL scout Al Godfrey has been hired as the Midwest regional
scout for the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.
Philadelphia Flyers' senior vice president Bobby Clarke was named
Monday, March 1, to the post of general manager for Miami's NHL expansion
team. Franchise owner H. Wayne Huizenga made the announcement at the Miami
Arena, three months after being awarded a franchise. Huizenga said he
plans to have a team on the ice in time for the beginning of the NHL
season in October.
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- Realignment:
Eastern Conference
Atlantic Division
Washington Capitals, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York
Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, South Florida, Tampa Bay Lightning
Northeast Division
Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres, Hartford Whalers, Montreal Canadiens,
Ottawa Senators, Pittsburgh Penguins, Quebec Nordiques
Western Conference
Central Division
Chicago Blackhawks, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, St. Louis Blues,
Toronto Maple Leafs, Winnipeg Jets
Pacific Division
Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Los Angeles Kings,
San Jose Sharks, Vancouver Canucks
Schedule: Eastern Conference teams will play five games against each of
six divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the seven teams
in the conference's other division (28) and two games against each of the
12 Western Conference members (24).
Western Conference teams will play six games against each of five
divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the six teams in the
conference's other division (24) and two games against each of the 14
Eastern Conference clubs (28).
Playoffs: The system will be conference-based, with the No. 1 team
meeting the No. 8 team in the first round, No. 2 vs. No. 7, No. 3 vs. No.
6 and No. 4 vs. No. 5. Matchups will be based on overall points with the
four division champions being placed in the first- or second-place seeds
in each conference and being assured of home-ice in the first two playoff
rounds. All series will be best of seven (2-2-1-1-1 rotation) except
matchups between Central and Pacific teams. Those series will rotate 2-3-
2 to reduce travel. In those cases, the team with the most regular-season
points will choose whether to start the series at home or away.
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- Draft news:
Under terms of the new expansion draft, which will be held in
June, each of the 24 existing clubs will be allowed to protect one
goaltender, five defensemen and nine forwards. The most recent expansion
drafts allowed teams to protect two goalies and did not make a distinction
between forwards and defensemen.
First-year pros only will be exempt from the draft, which is down
from the two-year exemption teams had last season. San Jose, Tampa Bay and
Ottawa still will be allowed to exempt second-year pros.
Each of the 24 teams will lose two players, with a maximum loss of
one goaltender and a maximum loss of one defenseman. The one exception is
that a team which loses a goaltender can then no longer lose a defenseman.
At the end of the first phase of the draft, the two new franchises
will have three goaltenders, eight defensemen and 13 forwards for a total
of 24 players. A second phase then will be conducted where San Jose, Tampa
Bay and Ottawa will select two players each from the rosters of the two
new teams.
Ottawa, Tampa Bay and San Jose will be guaranteed priority
drafting selection in the 1993 draft as long as they have the three worst
records. Anaheim and Miami will choose no lower than fourth and fifth. The
expansion franchises will move up in the draft should either San Jose,
Tampa Bay or Ottawa not finish in the bottom three positions.
The two new teams will pick first and second in the 1994 Entry
Draft, regardless of their finish in 1993-94. Should either of the two new
teams not play next season they would have priority drafting position in
1994.
The owners announced the 1994 draft will be in Hartford and the
1995 draft in Winnipeg. The 1994 draft was scheduled for Boston, but a
delay in the construction of a new arena required the draft be moved.
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- League news:
Disputes:
The NHL owners and players have resolved differences over salary
arbitration procedures, clearing the way for about 40 hearings. NHLPA
executive director Bob Goodenow didn't disclose how the issues were
resolved, but the prior sticking point had been the manner in which
statistics were used in arbitration hearings.
Olympics:
The NHL announced February 26, 1993, it will not make professional
players available to compete in the 1994 Winter Olympics.
League Leadership:
Los Angeles Kings owner Bruce McNall succeeded Blackhawks owner
Bill Wirtz as chairman of the NHL's powerful Board of Governors. Appointed
to join McNall on the Executive Committee were Ron Corey of the Montreal
Canadiens, Mike Ilitch of the Detroit Red Wings, Peter Pocklington of the
Edmonton Oilers and Ed Snider of the Philadelphia Flyers.
Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National
Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey
League, Friday, December 11, 1992.
Miscellaneous:
Henri Richard, Bernie Parent and Billy Smith have been named
special ambassadors for the Stanley Cup Centennial, a season-long
celebration of the NHL championship trophy. The trio will appear at
league-wide function such as the All-Star Game and Stanley Cup playoffs.
The National Hockey League named John N. Turner, former Prime
Minister of Canada, to serve on Board of Directors of Hockey Hall of Fame
and Museum and nominated Scotty Morrison, David M. Taylor, Larry Bertuzzi,
Robert G. Bundy, Walter Bush, Murray Costello, Jim Gregory, Leslie Kaplan,
Lawrence G. Meyer and Alan Tonks to serve on Board, which takes office
March 30.
NHL President Gil Stein was one of four individuals elected to the
Hockey Hall of Fame Builder's category. The others were Buffalo Sabres'
Chairman of the Board and President Seymour Knox III, Vancouver Canucks'
Chairman Frank Griffiths and veteran Canadian hockey executive Fred Page.
Former NHL linesman John D'Amico was selected in the Hall of Fame's
Referee-Linesman category.
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- NHL TV
Games are carried on TSN and CBC in Canada, on ESPN in the U.S. Check
your local listings.
The National Hockey League has struck a conditional five-year deal
with ESPN to televise professional hockey through the 1996-97 season.
The series of agreements grants ESPN exclusive national coverage
of the NHL starting with the 1992-93 season, and the cable network has an
option to extend the term of that domestic agreement for four more years.
The deal also grants ESPN exclusive international television distribution,
excluding Canada, for the next five years.
The league's new TV contract calls for ESPN to televise up to 25
regular-season games to its domestic audience this coming season and 37
playoff games, including the entire Stanley Cup Final. The majority of
ESPN's regular-season games will be televised on Friday nights.
NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced Wednesday, March 3, that
ABC Sports will televise five Stanley Cup playoff games starting next
month. ABC will carry the playoff games on its network through an
arrangement with ESPN, the U.S. rightsholder for NHL games. ESPN will
provide the production of the games. ABC owns ESPN.
April 18 - Wales Conference Game #1 Quarterfinals
April 25 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Quarterfinals
May 2 - Wales Conference Game #1 Semifinals
May 9 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Semifinals
May 16 - Wales Conference Game #1 Finals
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- Award winners, all-star teams, hall of fame inductees, and draft picks
91-92 Award Winners:
Hart Trophy (MVP): Mark Messier (NYR)
Vezina Trophy (best goalie): Patrick Roy (Mon)
Norris Trophy (best defenseman): Brian Leetch (NYR)
Calder Trophy (best rookie): Pavel Bure (Van)
Selke Trophy (best defensive forward): Guy Carbonneau (Mon)
Lady Byng Trophy (sportsmanship): Wayne Gretzky (LA)
Jack Adams Award (best coach): Pat Quinn (Van)
Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (perseverance): Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI)
King Clancy Trophy (contribution to community): Ray Bourque (Bos)
Jennings Trophy (lowest team GAA): Patrick Roy (Mon)
Art Ross Trophy (most scoring points): Mario Lemieux (Pit)
Hall of Famer players Frank Boucher and Red Dutton and executives
Bruce McNall and Gil Stein Thursday were named the 1993 winners of the
Lester Patrick Award for ``outstanding service to hockey in the United
States''. The award is selected each year by a committee representing a
wide cross-section of the hockey community.
91-92 1st All-Star Team: Patrick Roy (G, Mon), Ray Bourque (D, Bos),
Brian Leetch (D, NYR), Mark Messier (C, NYR), Brett Hull (RW, StL), Kevin
Stevens (LW, Pit)
92-93 All-Star Game Starters (as voted by fans):
Wales Conference: Mario Lemieux (C, Pittsburgh), Jaromir Jagr (W,
Pittsburgh), Kevin Stevens (W, Pittsburgh), Ray Bourque (D, Boston), Brian
Leetch (D, Rangers), Patrick Roy, (G, Montreal).
Campbell Conference: Steve Yzerman (C, Detroit), Brett Hull (W, St.
Louis), Pavel Bure (W, Vancouver), Chris Chelios (D, Chicago), Paul Coffey
(D, Los Angeles), Ed Belfour (G, Chicago)
91-92 All-rookie team: Gilbert Dionne (LW, Mon), Tony Amonte (RW, NYR),
Kevin Todd (C, NJ), Vladimir Konstantinov (D, Det), Nicklas Lidstrom (D,
Det), Dominik Hasek (G, Chi).
1992 Hall of Fame Inductees: Marcel Dionne, Bob Gainey, Lanny McDonald,
and Woody Dumart.
First round of the 1992 entry draft:
# Player (pos, team)
1 Roman Hamrlik (D, TB)
2 Alexei Yashin (C, Ott)
3 Mike Rathje (D, SJ)
4 Todd Warriner (LW, Que)
5 Darius Kasparaitis (D, NYI)
6 Cory Stillman (C, Cal)
7 Ryan Sittler (LW, Phi)
8 Brandon Convery (C, Tor)
9 Robert Petrovicky (C, Har)
10 Andrei Nazarov (LW, SJ)
11 David Cooper (D, Buf)
12 Sergei Krivokrasov (LW, Chi)
13 Joe Hulbig (LW, Edm)
14 Sergei Gonchar (D, Was)
15 Jason Bowen (LW, Phi)
16 Dmitri Kvartalnov (LW, Bos)
17 Sergei Bautin (D, Win)
18 Jason Smith (D, NJ)
19 Martin Straka (C, Pit)
20 David Wilkie (D, Mon)
21 Libor Polasek (C, Van)
22 Curtis Bowen (LW, Det)
23 Grant Marshall (RW, Tor)
24 Peter Ferraro (C, NYR)
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- New NHL Rules
Game ejection for instigating a fight.
Helmets are optional.
Grabbing an opponent's stick as a defensive move is a penalty.
Diving to draw a penalty is a penalty.
Coincidental minors when both teams are full-strength result in 4 vs. 4
play.
High sticking is from the waist up.
- New CBA - ratified by NHLPA on 4/11/92
Term: September 16, 1991 to September 15, 1993.
Licensing and endorsements: Players own exclusive rights to their
individual personality, including their likenesses.
Salary arbitration: New rules negotiated; 8 salary arbitrators to be
jointly agreed upon.
Free agency: Compensation scale reduced for players age 30 and under.
Group III free agent age reduced to 30 from 31. A player who has completed
10 or more professional seasons (minor or NHL) and who in last year of
contract didn't earn more than the average NHL salary, can elect once in
his career to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of his
contract.
Salary and awards: Players' playoff fund increased to $7.5M in 1991-92 &
$9M in 92-93. New minimum salary of $100,000.
Insurance: $200,000 disability coverage. Dental & broad-based medical
improvements. 100% increase in life insurance for players; coverage for
wives.
Pension: Improved pension contributions of $8000 to $12500 per player per
year, depending on the player's number of NHL games. Agreement on language
to guarantee continuation of Security Plan negotiated in 1986.
Regular season: Increased from 80 to 84 games in 92-93. For 2 games
played at neutral sites, all arrangements and revenues to be shared.
Rosters: Kept at 18 skaters and 2 goaltenders for 92-93.
Entry draft: Reduced to 11 rounds from 12.
Supplemental draft: One selection for each non-playoff team.
Joint study group: Examine financial state of NHL & issue report to
assist in preparing for 1993 negotiations
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NHL free agency categories (effective until 9/15/93)
Group I:
- players aged 24 and under
- player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation
- for compensation, old club has right to match offer from new club
- for equalization, old club has no right to match offer
- equalization, which can consist of players, draft picks, and/or cash,
must be agreed upon between two clubs or submitted to arbitration
Group II:
- players aged 25 to 29
- player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation
- for equalization, old club has right to match offer only if it is
at least $351,000
- for compensation, schedule is:
one first round pick if player signs for $350,000-$500,000/year
two first round picks if player signs for $500,000-$1 million/year
extra first round pick for each additional $1M over $1M/year
Group III:
- players aged 30 and over
- old club gets no compensation, but has right to match offer
- to receive right to match, old club must make qualifying offer of 15%
over player's salary in prior season
Group IV:
- players considered defected free agents
Group V:
- player with 10 years of experience whose salary is below NHL average
can choose to be a free agent without compensation once in his career.
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2. NHL Minor Leagues
The NHL minor leagues are the International Hockey League, the American
Hockey League and the East Coast Hockey League. Information on the
Central Hockey League and the American Hockey Association can be found in
section 4.
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IHL
contacts:
IHL: Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Atlanta Knights: Scott Clarkson <gt3394c@prism.gatech.edu>
Cincinnati Cyclones: Joseph Combs <jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU>
Cleveland Lumberjacks: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
Ft. Wayne Komets: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
**
Milwaukee Admirals: Jason Hanson <jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu>
Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Roland Behunin <behunin@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil>
The International Hockey League has granted a franchise to a Las Vegas
group headed by Henry Stickney for the 1993-1994 season.
**
The International Hockey League named Bob Chase. voice of the Fort
Wayne Komets, as the league's broadcaster of the year. The IHL also said
the annual award, effective next year, will be named in Chase's honor.
Also honored by the IHL were Jim Loria of the Kansas City Blades
as marketing director of the year, Shelly Gartner of the Phoenix
Roadrunners as merchandise manager of the year and Steve Doherty of the
Kalamazoo Wings as public relations director of the year.
**
The Atlanta Knights of the International Hockey League announced
Thursday, April 8, that Manon Rheaume will be the starting goaltender in a
home game Saturday night, April 10, against the Cincinnati Cyclones.
Rheaume will become the first female to start in a regular season
professional hockey game.
**
Fort Wayne -- Announced winger Scott Gruhl will retire at the end of the
International Hockey League season. Gruhl will join the Muskegon Fury of
the Colonial League.
**
The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets
will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey
League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton
to Fort Wayne next season.
**
The San Diego Gulls of the International Hockey League set a record with
their 61st victory, 5-1, over the Salt Lake Golden Eagles. The Gulls (61-
11-8) became the first team in professional hockey to win that many games
in a season. The 1976-77 Montreal Canadiens won 60 games.
IHL's 1992 Turner Cup: The Kansas City Blades defeated Muskegon
Lumberjacks 4 games to 0.
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AHL
contacts:
AHL: Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Bri Farenell <farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
Mark Anania <ananim@rpi.edu>
See Section 5 for newsletter information.
Atlantic Division: Cape Breton, Fredericton, Halifax, Moncton, St. John's
Northern Division: Adirondack, Capital District, Providence, New Haven,
Springfield
Southern Division: Baltimore, Binghamton, Hershey, Rochester, Utica,
Hamilton
The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to the
Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian NHL team with
an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear they intend to move the
team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic Provinces. This sale and move
has yet to be approved by the AHL head office, but is expected to pass
easily at the general meeting in May.
The Baltimore Skipjacks, the Washington Capitals' American Hockey League
affliate, will skate next season as the Portland Pirates.
The Calgary Flames will base their farm team in the AHL in St. John, New
Brunswick next season. The team will be called the St. John Blue Flames.
**
The Fort Wayne Komets of the IHL said they have been told by Winnipeg of
the NHL that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of
the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move
players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season.
AHL's 1992 Calder Cup: The Adirondack Red Wings beat the St. John's
Maple Leafs 4 games to 3. The home-ice curse held true as all games in the
final were won by the visiting team.
John Anderson (New Haven) is 1992 winner of Les Cunningham Plaque as AHL
MVP.
-----
ECHL
contacts:
ECHL, Toledo Storm: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
The Toledo Storm hockey team is asking SeaGate Convention Center
to consider becoming its host site beginning with the 1994-95 season. The
Storm, which has played its last two seasons in the Toledo Sports Arena,
said it asked for 55 dates in the downtown facility. The Storm also has
been talking with backers of a proposed ice complex in suburban Sylvania
to become a primary tenant.
ECHL's 1992 Riley Cup: Hampton Roads beat Louisville 4 games to 0.
See Section 5 for newsletter information.
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Minor League Affiliates for NHL teams:
Bos: Providence Bruins (AHL), Johnstown Chiefs (ECHL)
Buf: Rochester Americans (AHL), Erie Panthers (ECHL)
Cal: Salt Lake Golden Eagles (IHL), Roanoke Valley Rebels (ECHL)
Chi: Indianapolis Ice (IHL), Columbus Chill (ECHL), St. Thomas (Col. HL)
Det: Adirondack Red Wings (AHL), Toledo Storm (ECHL)
Edm: Cape Breton Oilers (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL)
Har: Springfield Indians (AHL), Louisville Icehawks (ECHL)
LA : Phoenix Roadrunners (IHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL)
Min: Kalamazoo Wings (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL)
Mon: Fredericton Canadiens (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL),
Flint (Col. HL)
NJ : Utica Devils (AHL), Birmingham Bulls (ECHL)
NYI: Capital District Islanders (AHL), Richmond Renegades (ECHL)
NYR: Binghamton Rangers (AHL)
Ott: New Haven Senators (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL)
Phi: Hershey Bears (AHL)
Pit: Cleveland Lumberjacks (IHL), Knoxville Cherokees (ECHL)
Que: Halifax Citadels (AHL), Greensboro Monarchs (ECHL)
SJ : Kansas City Blades (IHL), Nashville Knights (ECHL)
StL: Peoria Rivermen (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL), Flint (Col. HL)
TB : Atlanta Knights (IHL)
Tor: St. John's Maple Leafs (AHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL), Brantford
(Col. HL)
Van: Columbus Chill (ECHL), Hamilton Canucks (AHL)
Was: Baltimore Skipjacks (AHL), Hampton Roads Admirals (ECHL)
Win: Moncton Hawks (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL)
Ind: Cincinnati Cyclones (IHL)
Fort Wayne Komets (IHL)
Michigan Falcons (Colonial HL)
Milwaukee Admirals (IHL)
San Diego Gulls (IHL)
St. Thomas (Colonial HL)
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3. College Hockey
contacts:
NCAA: Mike Machnik <nin15b34@merrimack.edu>
Wisconsin Badgers: Jeff Horvath <horvath@cs.wisc.edu>
CCHA, Bowling Green State: Keith Instone <instone@euclid.bgsu.edu>
ECAC, Clarkson: Bri Farenell <farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
- e-mail lists:
Wayne Smith <wts@maine.maine.edu> maintains 2 lists, one for discussions
(HOCKEY-L) and one for news (HOCKEY-D):
send e-mail to <listserv@maine.maine.edu> with body:
SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-L <name & favorite team>
or
SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-D <name>
(a read-only list containing news from HOCKEY-L)
Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the
archives of the College Hockey Mailing List. Send a message to the server
at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands
(either or both)
- ftp site: andy.bgsu.edu
The directory "pub/Hockey" contains CCHA press releases, scores,
standings, and rosters. The sub-directory "Archives" has archives of the
Division I college hockey mailing list since 1989. Also, archives from the
Division III list since May 1992 are available.
NCAA hockey championship:
Semi-finals: Maine 4, Michigan 3 (OT)
Lake Superior State 6, Boston University 1
Finals: Maine 5, Lake Superior State 4
Freshman Paul Kariya who was named winner of the 1992-93 Hobey Baker
Award as college hockey's top player.
**
The NCAA Division I Hockey Championships will be held at the St. Paul
Civic Center in St. Paul, Minnesota, on March 31 and April 2, 1994.
For priority seating call the University of Minnesota Ticket Office at
(612) 624-8080, between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday or
send a postcard to:
University of Minnesota Ticket Office
1994 NCAA Hockey Championships
516 15th Avenue SE
Minneapolis MN 55455
- NCAA Division I Teams
CCHA (Central Collegiate Hockey Association):
Bowling Green, Ferris State, Illinois-Chicago, Lake Superior, Miami,
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Western Michigan, Notre Dame, Kent
State, Alaska-Fairbanks (affiliate member )
CCHA Playoff structure: The top 6 will host the bottom 6 (1 vs
12, 2 vs 11, etc) in a two-of-three weekend series The six winners will
advance to Joe Louis Arena for single elimination the rest of the way. The
top 2 remaining seeds get a bye while 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 on the first
night. On the second night, the 4 remaining teams battle it out, leaving
only two to play for the championship, on the third night. Alaska-
Fairbanks, as an affiliate member, will be seeded from #7 to #12 by the
league office.
ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (men's):
Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, RPI, St.
Lawrence, Union, Vermont, Yale
ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (women's):
Brown, Colby, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, New Hampshire, Northeastern,
Princeton, Providence, Rochester Institute of Technology, St. Lawrence,
Yale
The Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference unveiled the nation's
first intercollegiate women's ice hockey league and announced the 12 teams
will begin play in the 1993-94 season. The top eight finishers in the ECAC
Women's Ice Hockey League will qualify for a post-season tournament. The
league replaces an informal 15-team conference of nine Division I and six
Division III schools, which held their own respective division tournaments
at the end of the regular season. The ECAC said it would discontinue its
Division III women's tournament after the 1992-93 season.
Hockey East:
Boston College, Boston University, UMass-Lowell, Maine, Merrimack, New
Hampshire, Northeastern, Providence
WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Association):
Colorado College, Denver, Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Minnesota-Duluth,
North Dakota, Northern Michigan, St Cloud, Wisconsin
Alaska-Anchorage has joined the WCHA as a full-fledged member for 93-94
Independents:
Air Force, Alabama-Huntsville, Alaska-Anchorage, Alaska-Fairbanks, Army
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- Canadian Intercollegiate Athletic Union
CIAU Championships:
Finalists:
Team: Division:
University of Alberta Golden Bears West
University of Guelph Gryphons Ontario West
University of Toronto Varsity Blues Ontario East
University of Acadia Axemen East
Semi-finals: Acadia 9, Alberta 4
Toronto 3, Guelph 2
Finals: Acadia 12, Toronto 1
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4. Other Hockey Leagues
- 1992 World Championships in Czechoslovakia
Sweden defeated Finland 5-2 (gold medal match)
Czechoslovakia defeated Switzerland 5-2 (bronze medal match)
Final Standings (round robin):
GROUP A W T L GF GA Pts GROUP B W T L GF GA PTS
Finland 5 0 0 32 8 10 Russia 4 1 0 23 10 9
Germany 4 0 1 30 14 8 Czech 4 0 1 18 7 8
USA 2 1 2 14 15 5 Switz 2 2 1 12 11 6
Sweden 1 2 2 14 12 4 Canada 2 1 2 15 18 5
Italy 1 1 3 10 18 3 Norway 1 0 4 8 16 2
Poland 0 0 5 8 41 0 France 0 0 5 8 22 0
Austria will replace Poland in Pool A of 1993 WC in Germany
The 1993 World Championships (Pool A) is scheduled to run from Apr 18 to
May 2 in Munich, Germany.
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**
- 1993 World Championships (Pool B) in Eindhoven, the Netherlands
#g w l t pts gf ga
1. Great Britain 7 7 0 0 14 50 13
2. Poland 7 6 1 0 12 71 12
3. Netherlands 7 5 2 0 10 47 20
4. Denmark 7 4 3 0 8 38 24
5. Japan 7 3 4 0 6 34 31
6. Romania 7 2 5 0 4 20 44
7. China 7 1 6 0 2 12 79
8. Bulgaria 7 0 7 0 0 9 58
Great Britain advances to Pool A. Bulgaria is relegated to Pool C.
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- 1992 Olympic Games
**
- e-mail lists:
Charlie Slavin <slavin@maine.maine.edu> maintains OlymPuck - The Olympic
Hockey Discussion List:
send e-mail to <listserv@maine.maine.edu> with body:
SUBSCRIBE OlymPuck your_name favorite country(ies)
CIS won the gold, Canada the silver, and Czechoslovakia the bronze
(defeated USA).
Yale hockey coach Tim Taylor was named coach for the '94 US Olympic Team.
Dany Dube from the UQTR Patriotes (CIAU) and Tom Renney from the Kamloops
Blazers (WHL) are co-coaches of Canada's national program.
The 1998 Nagano Winter Olympic Organizing Committee said it has
approved the addition of women's ice hockey and curling to the list of
official medal events at the Games. The decision, which came at the
organizing committee meeting here, followed an accord reached in Nagano
between the committee and the IOC Coordination Committee. The decision
will be formally ratified by an Executive Board meeting of the
International Olympic Committee (IOC) and its Session. As a result, the
number of total events at Nagano will increase to 64 in seven sports.
-----
- 1991 Canada Cup
Team Canada defeated Team USA 2 games to 0.
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- 1992 Izvestia hockey tournament
Final: Russia II - Czechoslovakia 2-1
Game for 3rd and 4th place: Russia I - Sweden 4-1
Game for 5th and 6th place: Finland - Switzerland 3-1
Game for 7th and 8th place: Canada - Germany 6-1
Final Standings for the 25th Izvestia Cup:
1. Russia II (the Russian Olympic team)
2. Czechoslovakia
3. Russia I
4. Sweden
5. Finland
6. Switzerland
7. Canada
8. Germany
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- 1992 Germany Cup
Russia defeated Team Canada 6-3 to win the $170,000 four-team
Germany Cup for the third time. The Russian team, coached for the first
time by the legendary Boris Michailov, assured itself of the $67,000
winner's check after a 3-1 win over Czechoslovakia. The former Soviet
Union and Commonwealth of Independent States captured the tournament in
1988 and 1991 under Viktor Tikhonov.
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- 1992 Spengler Cup
Canada, with Fabian Joseph scoring his second goal of the game at
3:47 of overtime, beat Farjestad (Sweden) 6-5 in the final of the Spengler
Cup at Davos, Switzerland. The Canadians overcame a two-goal deficit in
the final two minutes of regulation and went on to earn their second
overtime victory within 15 hours.
Final:
Team Canada - Farjestad (Sweden) 6-5 (1-1,2-2,2-2,1-0) OT
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- 1992 European cup finals
Duesseldorf, December 30, 1992
Bronze: Jokerit Helsinki - Lions Milano 4-2.
Gold: Malmoe IF - Dynamo Moscow 4-3 (Shootout)
This was the third successive European championship for a Swedish team:
in 1990 and 1991 the champion was Djurgaarden (Stockholm).
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- 1993 Sweden Hockey Games
**
Final Standings:
GP W T L GF-GA P
1. Sweden 3 2 0 1 13- 8 +5 4
2. Czech Republic 3 2 0 1 16-11 +5 4
3. Russia 3 1 1 1 9-11 -2 3
4. Canada 3 0 1 2 13-21 -8 1
Sweden wins due to head-to-head result vs the Czech republic.
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- Junior Leagues
contact:
WHL: Randy Coulman <coulman@skdad.usask.ca>
Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu>
The site for the 75th Memorial Cup Tournament has yet to be
chosen. It will be staged in Ontario but the exact location won't be
determined until next spring.
In March of '93, the two regular-season division champions from
the Ontario Hockey League will meet in a best-of-seven series at the start
of the playoff season. The winner of the series earns the right to host
the Memorial Cup, traditionally held in May.
The eventual OHL champion will also participate in the tourney.
But if the league champs also happen to be the club hosting the Memorial
Cup, then the league finalists will advance as well."
Charles Poulin (Mon draft) of St-Hyacinthe (QMJHL) is '92 Canadian Hockey
League Player of the Year.
1992 Memorial Cup at Seattle
Round-robin standings W L GF GA
Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL) 3 0 14 8
Kamloops Blazers (WHL) 2 1 10 7
Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL host) 1 2 9 10
Verdun College Francais (QMJHL) 0 3 5 13
Semifinal Kamloops 8 Seattle 3
Final Kamloops 5 Sault Ste. Marie 4
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- Central Hockey League
contact:
Marc Foster <mfoster@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu>
<mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu>
Ted Wollnik <twollnik@rdxsun11.aud.alcatel.com>
See Section 5 for newsletter information.
CHL:
Fort Worth Fire, Wichita Thunder, Dallas Freeze, Tulsa Oilers, Memphis
River Kings, Oklahoma City Blazers
Six non-affiliated teams play a 60 game schedule extending from early
November to mid March. Each team is owned by the league, with local
interests controlling day to day operations. Each team has a $100,000
salary cap for 17 total players (16 dress up). Unlike the ECHL, players
are not limited to three years in the league.
A Western Division may be added to the Central Hockey League for the 93-
94 season if the plans of CHL president Ray Miron materialize. Miron
confirmed that El Paso, Amarillo, Tuscon, and Albuquerque are cities under
consideration for the Western Division, which would play some interlocking
games with the Eastern Division. Meanwhile, San Antonio and Houston are
close to being confirmed as the league's newest members.
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- Major League Hockey
A new hockey league with franchises throughout the United States
and Canada will begin play in the fallof 1993, officials announced
Wednesday, February 10.
Major League Hockey was founded by Roy Boe, former president of
the New York Islanders of the National Hockey League and the New York/New
Jersey Nets of the American and National Basketball associations.
According to Boe, the league will debut with six to eight teams
playing a schedule of approximately 80 games. Franchise applications have
been received from groups in Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit,
Houston, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Phoenix, San Francisco, Saskatoon, Toronto
and Worcester, Mass., Boe said.
Although the league will not raid existing leagues to stock its
rosters, Boe said it will seek the ``world's finest hockey players.''
Boe said league play will have an international flair and
discussed implementing some rules which are reminiscent of those of the
IIHF.
``We're removing the red line, moving the goal nets forward and
eliminating all tie games,'' said Boe.
The MLH office will operate out of Stamford, Conn.
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- British Premier Division:
contacts:
Neil A. McGlynn: <nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk> (from NA)
<nmcglynn@uk.co.bt.axion> (from Europe)
Steve Salvini: <steve@cs.hw.ac.uk>
Contact Steve for the GB USENET draft.
e-mail list: send e-mail to <uk-hockey-request@cee.hw.ac.uk> to
subscribe.
Durham Wasps defeated Nottingham Panthers 7-6 in '92 British championship
game.
-----
- Finnish Elite League (SM-LIIGA):
contacts:
Juha Koivisto & Kimmo Kauranen <hockey@tac.fi>
Vesa J Pyyluoma <veikko@vipunen.hut.fi>
Final standings 91-92:
1) Jokerit, Helsinki 2) JyP HT, Jyvaskyla 3) HIFK, Helsinki
4) Assat, Pori 5) TPS, Turku 6) Lukko, Rauma
7) KalPa, Kuopio 8) HPK, Hameenlinna 9) Ilves, Tampere
10) Reipas, Lahti 11) Tappara, Tampere 12) JoKP, Joensuu
JoKP dropped and Kiekko-Espoo from Espoo qualified to the SM-LIIGA
Individual stats leaders 91-92:
Points: Makela Mikko, TPS 25+45=70 (+ playoffs: 2+3=5 )
Scoring: Selanne Teemu, Jokerit 39+23=62 (+ playoffs: 10+7=17)
All Stars 91-92:
Briza Petr (Lukko), Virta Hannu (TPS), Laurila Harri (JyP HT),
Makela Mikko (TPS), Janecky Otakar (Jokerit), Selanne Teemu (Jokerit)
-----
- German Hockey League:
contact:
Andreas Stockmeier <stocki@cs.tu-berlin.de> or <stocki@tub.UUCP>
Duesseldorfer Eishockey-Gemeinschaft defeated SB Rosenheim in '92 German
final
-----
- Swedish Elite League (Elitserien):
contact:
Staffan Axelsson <etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se>
**
1992-93 regular season final standings:
1. Vasteras 2. Brynas 3. Malmo 4. Farjestad
5. MoDo 6. Lulea 7. Leksand 8. Djurgarden
9. HV 71 10. Rogle 11. Frolunda 12. AIK
Brynas defeated Lulea 3 games to 2 for the 1993 Swedish hockey
championship.
-----
- Swiss First Division:
Kloten became the 1992-93 champions of the Swiss League Nationale A
by beating Fribourg-Gotteron 4-2 to sweep the final series 3-0.
-----
- 1992 Women's World Championships at Finland
1 Canada, 2 USA, 3 Finland, 4 Sweden, 5 China, 6 Norway, 7 Denmark,
8 Switzerland
-----
1993 World Junior Hockey Championships at Sweden
Final Standings:
GP W T L GF-GA +/- P
1. Canada 7 6 0 1 37-17 +20 12
2. Sweden 7 6 0 1 53-15 +38 12
3. Czechoslovakia 7 4 1 2 38-27 +11 9
4. USA 7 4 0 3 32-23 + 9 8
5. Finland 7 3 1 3 31-20 +11 7
6. Russia 7 2 2 3 26-20 + 6 6
7. Germany 7 1 0 6 16-37 -21 2
8. Japan 7 0 0 7 9-83 -74 0
Canada wins gold due to head-to-head result vs Sweden.
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5. Info available via e-mail
When requesting items via e-mail please include your preferred address
in the body of the message. Sometimes the reply-to address is not a good
thing to go by.
- ftp site: wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4)
In directory /doc/misc/sports/nhl there are some new hockey files.
Get the README file for information and contents.
---
- E-mail lists:
List Topic (Freq.) To Subscribe
Boston Bruins bruins-request@cs.Usask.CA
List Address bruins@cs.Usask.CA
Buffalo Sabres sabres-request@potter.csh.rit.edu
List Address sabres@potter.csh.rit.edu
Los Angeles Kings kings-request@cs.stanford.edu
List Address kings@cs.stanford.edu
**
Montreal Canadiens habs-request@janus.sdsu.edu
List Address habs@janus.sdsu.edu
Philadelphia Flyers seth@hos1cad.att.com
Pittsburgh Penguins gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu
List Address gp2f@andrew.cmu.edu
St. Louis Blues jca2@cec1.wustl.edu
San Jose Sharks sharks-request@medraut.apple.com
List Address sharks@medraut.apple.com
Tampa Bay Lightning wilson@cs.ucf.edu
Vancouver Canucks boey@sfu.ca
List Address vancouver-canucks@sfu.ca
Washington Capitals david@eng.umd.edu
List Address caps@monster.umd.edu
NHL Boxscores (M-F) bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com
NHL Boxscores (S-S) jpc@philabs.philips.com
NHL Goalie Stats (d) coulman@cs.Usask.CA
NHL Scores (n) wilson@cs.ucf.edu
NHL Team Stats (w) wilson@cs.ucf.edu
AHL Newsletter ahl-news-request@hamlet.cmu.edu
List Address ahl-news@hamlet.cmu.edu
ECHL Newsletter echl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu
List Address echl-news@andrew.cmu.edu
US College Hockey (see section 3)
NCAA Division III Hockey hockey3-request@hooville.mitre.org
List Address hockey3@request.mitre.org
CHL Newsletter mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu
British League uk-hockey-request@uk.ac.hw.cs
**
Olympic Hockey (see section 4)
Freq: M-F=Monday-Friday, S-S=Saturday-Sunday, d=daily, n=nightly,
w=weekly
If you have something interesting, make it available. When requesting,
use the keyword in the body or subject. Also, specify team, date, etc.,
where applicable.
Available from Eric Rickin <ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu>:
Keyword Description
AHLADDR AHL team addresses
CANJUNIORS Canada junior teams
NHLTV TV stations for each team
NHLRADIO Radio stations for each team
USJUNIORS US junior teams
XXXXDRAFT XXXX (for XXXX=1989-1992) NHL Entry Draft
1991EXP 1991 NHL Expansion & Dispersal Draft
Available from Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu>:
Keyword Description
AHL Up-to-date info on the AHL
IHL Up-to-date info on the IHL
NHL.C A C program that prints the 91-92 NHL schedule for a specified
day
Available from Stan Willis <willis@empire.dnet.hac.com>:
Keyword Description
ATTEND 91-92 NHL team home attendance report by quarters
PSLOGOS NHL team logos in PostScript
Available from David Anthony Wyatt <wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca>:
Keyword Description
ALLLIST All-time List of Professional Hockey Franchises
Available from Roland Behunin <behunin@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil>:
Keyword Description
SATINFO Satellite info for NHL teams
Available from Mike Machnik <nin15b34@merrimack.edu>:
Keyword Description
DIV1SCHED 92-93 NCAA Division I scores
Mike can also provide a schedule for any of the 46 Division I teams to
people who ask. E-mail him for details.
Available from Bill Clare <Clare@Kodak.COM>:
Keyword Description
RETIRED List of retired numbers for NHL players
Available from Staffan Axelsson <etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se>:
Keyword Description
WCMEDALS World Championships Medalists 1920-1992
WCSTAND World Championships All-Time Standings, Pool A 1920-1992
WCALSTAR World Championships All-Star Teams 1961-1992
WCROSTXX World Championships Gold Winning Teams' Rosters 1958-1992
(Specify XX=58-92)
WJHC History of medals given at the World Junior Hockey
Championships
WJHCSTAT Team and player stats from the World Junior Hockey
Championships.
Available from Paul Brownlow <paul@data-io.com>:
Keyword Description
CHLPOY Past Canadian Hockey League players of the year
MEMCUP Past Memorial Cup winners
Available from <wilson@cs.ucf.edu>:
To use the statsmailer, send e-mail to "wilson@cs.ucf.edu" with subject
"statsmailer" and a body containing the word HELP to receive a list of
allowable commands. Things available: NHL team/league schedules/calendars,
a plethora of team statistics, scores of games, and some assorted hockey
files. Seasons 1988-1992 available. New material was added on 1/19/93.
Available from Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu>
Keyword Description
ROSTERS 1993 NHL All-Star Game rosters
NHLLEAD 1991-92 NHL Leaders (Scoring, Goals, Assists, Power-play
goals, Short-handed goals, Game-winning goals, Shots, Goals-
against average, Victories, Save percentage, Shutouts)
ZAMBONI Alan Thicke's "Book of Zamboni" opening from the 1991 NHL
Awards broadcast
Available from Matt Militzok <mmilitzo@skidmore.edu>
Keyword Description
STATS Up-to-date NHL statistics
Available from Harry Peltz <hbpeltz@mailbox.syr.edu>
Keyword Description
SCORES Compilation of NHL scores for the current month (in compressed
and uuencoded format)
Dates can also be specified for specific box scores, but try not to
request too many at one time (Max 5 box scores or three days).
Available from Richard Stueven <gak@wrs.com>
Keyword Description
DIRECT Current NHL directory file
Available from Michael Burger <mmb@lamar.colostate.edu>
Keyword Description
TVINFO TV/Radio stations for all teams along with network
information.
Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the
archives of the College Hockey Mailing List. Send a message to the server
at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands
(either or both)
GET 9293CONF STAND (for all Division I conference standings)
GET 9293COMP SCHEDULE (for a full-season listing of Division I scores)
The schedule is about 1000 lines long and the standings file is about 50
lines. These files are updated more-or-less weekly around Monday.
Contact Mike Machnik (nin15b34@merrimack.edu) with any questions.
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6. USENET Hockey Pool
send e-mail to <andrew@idacom.hp.com>.
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7. Up-coming Dates
Apr 18 - May 2: The 1993 World Championships (Pool A), Munich, Germany.
Jun 26: NHL entry draft, Quebec City, Quebec.
Feb 12 - Feb 27, 1994: XVII Olympic Winter Games, Lillehammer, Norway.
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8. Answers to some frequently asked questions:
Q: Why are the Montreal Canadiens called the Habs?
A: Most of the team during the 40-50's was made up of people who lived in
and around Montreal. Hence they were called "Les Habitants" (natives of
Montreal). This was then shortened to the Habs.
Q: Why is the Montreal Canadiens logo a large C with an H within it?
A: In 1914-15, the Canadiens logo consisted of C with an A within it to
signify Club Athletique Canadien (CAC). The next year, CAC no longer
existed and it was changed to what it is now to signify Club de Hockey.
Q: What is the most informative hockey publication?
A: The Hockey News is preferred by most North American hockey fans. It is
a weekly journal with up-to-date info.
Phone: 800-268-7793 (Canada and US)
Phone/fax: 0483 776141 (UK and rest of Europe)
Q: How does a 5-minute power-play count in the penalty killing stats in
the NHL?
A: If X goals are scored, then the team gets credit for X goals in X+1
chances.
Q: How is +/- computed in the NHL?
A: First, +/- only applies to skaters. Except for a power-play goal, when
a goal is scored, each skater on the ice for the scoring team is given a
+, and each skater on the ice for the other team is given a -. Short-
handed goals do count for +/-.
Q: What is the five-hole?
A: The space between a goalie's pads. There are five major scoring zones:
(1) upper left corner of goal, (2) upper right, (3) lower left, (4) lower
right, and (5) five-hole.
Q: What is the meaning of throwing an octopus on the ice?
A: This tradition began in Detroit in the 1950's when two best-of-seven
series were required to win the Stanley Cup. Every time Detroit won a
game, an octopus with one less arm was thrown on the ice.
Q: Who was the first woman to play in an NHL game?
A: Manon Rheaume, a 20-year-old goaltender, became the first woman ever
to play in an NHL game on September 23, 1992 when she started in net for
the expansion Tampa Bay Lightning in an exhibition against the St. Louis
Blues. Rheaume played the first period before 8,223 at the 10,400-seat
Expo Hall on the Florida State Fairgrounds and allowed two goals on nine
shots. She left with the score tied 2-2, although the Lightning ultimately
lost the game, 6-4.
Q: What is the richest contract in NHL history?
A: Mario Lemieux, the superstar center of the Pittsburgh Penguins, signed
the richest contract in NHL history, a seven-year deal believed to be
worth about $42 million. Lemieux will earn between $6 million and $7
million a year, nearly twice as much as any other player in the league.
Q: Who is the new commissioner of the NHL?
A: Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National
Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey
League, Friday, December 11, 1992. Bettman joined the NBA in 1981 as
assistant general counsel. He became the league's chief legal officer in
September of 1984. A New York resident, Bettman graduated from Cornell
University in 1974 and from New York University School of Law in 1977.
Q: How many professional hockey leagues are there in North America?
A: Six: National, American, International, East Coast, Central and
Colonial Hockey Leagues.
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9. Miscellaneous:
For field hockey discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.sport.hockey.field.
For skating discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.skate.
Some sites get another hockey group, called clari.sports.hockey. c.s.h
consists of the UPI feed for all UPI news articles that are related to
hockey, including game results, summaries, scores, standings, etc. Much
of the information in the NHL team news section comes from this newsgroup.
The rec.sport.hockey Frequently Asked Questions posting is posted semi-
monthly, usually on the 1st and 15th of each month, during the hockey
season. This file was originally created by Tom Wilson, who posted it
during the 1991-92 season. It was taken over by Mitch McGowan for the
1992-93 season.
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Please make corrections via e-mail, indicating "r.s.h FAQ" as the
subject line. Feel free to start a discussion on any previously mentioned
topic (but use an appropriate subject line).
Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu>
1
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
>SHO anyway.
actually, disabled persons have been known to drive in SCCA
races. i'd be careful about making sweeping generalizations here.
i'd prefer a manual transmission, but the early SHO had an
awful transmission that felt like it came out of a truck or something.
it was almost enough to make me want an automatic.
-teddy
| 7rec.autos |
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
> In article <1qk1md$6gs@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla)
> writes:
> > In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank
> > O'Dwyer) writes:
> > >Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people
> > >of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that
> > >sound like a good deal?
> >
> > Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much
> > we wanted the $1, wouldn't it?
>
> Yes it would. Luckily these parameters are fixed by reality.
Suppose X-ist saucers land. The aliens destroy all paper currency and tattoo
"666" on people's foreheads and start sacrificing small children. Then a
bunch of other aliens come along and offer to get rid of the X-ists in return
for one dollar. The people happen to have a single dollar bill hidden during
the purge.
Get the point? None of these events are *inherently* impossible. So it is
not the case that the value of a dollar bill is fixed by reality.
For a more mundane example of how the value of a dollar bill is not constant,
consider the following game thought up by the RAND corporation:
You are with a bunch of friends. You have a $10 bill. You offer to sell the
$10 bill to the highest bidder -- subject to the restriction that you also
get to take the money bid by the second-highest bidder.
Try it. You'll find that sometimes people will end up bidding more than $10
for your $10 bill.
mathew
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <N4HY.93Apr5120934@harder.ccr-p.ida.org>, n4hy@harder.ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) writes:
|> [1] HOWEVER, I hate economic terrorism and political correctness
|> worse than I hate this policy.
|> [2] A more effective approach is to stop donating
|> to ANY organizating that directly or indirectly supports gay rights issues
|> until they end the boycott on funding of scouts.
Can somebody reconcile the apparent contradiction between [1] and [2]?
--
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1r1439$c9t@access.digex.net> steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes:
>
>Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) writes:
>> Podein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to
>> play in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov,
>> and Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not
>> the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly
>> in this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the
>> New York Rangers.
>
>What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC?
>I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for
>Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play
>for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed
>the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the
>Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could
>they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield?
>
Obviously, it is ultimately the teams choice...the NHL would obviously
prefer not to annoy the European hockey federations, but the NHL right
now cannot force NHL teams to free their players...the Whalers probably
did it this way so as to not annoy their farm team affiliate.
Gerald
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <benali.735836579@alcor> benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes:
>bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
>
>...
>>for your information on Israel. Since I read both American media
>>and Israeli media, I can say with absolute certainty that anybody
>>who reliesx exclusively on the American press for knowledge about
>>Israel does not have a true picture of what is going on.
>
>Of course you never read Arab media,
>
>I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough)
The Jerusalem Post is only a small part of the Israeli media ( One
that caters to outsiders for the most part, anyways).
If you never read Ha'aretz, Maariv, or other Hebrew langauge papers
, or at least seen some of their articles translated, you are not
really getting the Israeli media.
>and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say
>that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course
>you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either
>a -9 or -10, American leading newspapers and TV news range from -6
Inlcuding some of the left-leaning ones?
>to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis)
A -6 to a -10? Is that why stations such as PBS have run shows which
do not depict the Israeli standpoint at all?
IS that why the Intifada got more coverage in 1987 and 1988 than did
Saddamn gassing Kurds by the thousands?
>The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer
>to Kahane's views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British
I am from Montreal. I read the Suburban. Did they ever advocate the
Kahane stupidity of expelling the Arabs? Are they racist?
The Suburban has some columnists that explain the Israeli standpoint.
They are nothing like Kahane. IN any case, the Suburban is a paper
with a minor local distribution and no influence.
>range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range
>from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from
>0 to -5 (Egyptian) to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to
>overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since
>they are doing nothing.
>
>
>> As to the claim that Israeli papers are biased, of course they
>>are. Some may lean to the right or the left, just like the media
>>here in America. But they still report events about which people
>>here know nothing. I choose to form my opinions about Israel and
>>the mideast based on more knowledge than does an average American
>>who relies exclusively on an American media which does not report
>>on events in the mideast with any consistency or accuracy.
>
>the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9,
>while that of the average American would be the same if they do
>not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and
>-8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers.
>
>so you are not better off.
>
So what source is the closest thing to a zero?
IShay
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I understand the when one is in orbit, the inward force of gravity at
one's center of mass is exactly balanced by the outward centrifugal
force from the orbiting motion, resulting in weightlessness.
I want to know what weightlessness actually FEELS like. For example, is
there a constant sensation of falling? And what is the motion sickness
that some astronauts occasionally experience?
Please reply only if you are either a former or current astronaut, or
someone who has had this discussion first-hand with an astronaut.
Thanks!
--
Jerry Liebelson
jlieb@is.morgan.com
73477.2740@compuserve.com
| 14sci.space |
In article <C6548v.JHA@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) writes:
>In article <1993Apr27.032401.28156@news.acns.nwu.edu> brice@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Benjamin Rice) writes:
>>The reason the fire department couldn't fight the fire is that bullets were
>>whizzing throughout the area. Had koresh not had such a "frightenly large
>>arsenal" maybe the feds would not have decided that having the firedepartment
>>on the scene would have been a useless waste of taxes and potentially
>>dangerous had a different fire broken out in Waco
>
>So, how come the fire department had been at the compound area for
>49 days, only to be sent away two days before the FBI attack?
(Whatever the above comment has to do with the hazards of fighting a
fire in the midst of ammo cooking off...)
Maybe the fire department was loudly complaining the whole time about
being diverted from their other duties, and the FBI said "FIne. Go home
and we'll call you if we need you." A million things could have happened,
we don't know.
BTW, this is the first time I have heard that the Waco FD was on scene
for all but the last 2 days... what's the source (out of curiosity)?
--
<><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <>
<><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In <C5sKu0.L4L@news.udel.edu> johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
>In this particular case I see no reason to go to the trouble
>of ROM-swapping. The Apple 32-bit enabler has problems, but
>MODE32 works just fine with 7.0, 7.0.1, and 7.1.
>Still, I'm not aware of any technical reason for upgrading
>the ROM in a IIx.
Other than getting a 32-bit clean ROM, what other features would a IIci
ROM in a IIx provide, if any?
>There is probably a market for used mother-
>boards as well, so they might sell a ROM anyway.
Shreve sells them for about $450. I can't justify this for 32-bit
cleanliness when MODE32 works.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
It's in the FAQ.
have fun
gak
---
Richard Stueven AHA# 22584 |----------| He has erected a multitude of new
Internet: gak@wrs.com |----GO----| offices, and sent hither swarms
ATTMAIL: ...!attmail!gakhaus!gak |---SHARX--| of officers to harass our people,
Cow Palace: 107/H/3-4 |----------| and eat out their substance.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I remember reading a thread a few days ago that mentioned removing an external
syquest drive from its case and dropping it in the internal drive of a Centris.
. . I was going to do that with my 610, but had a couple of questions. My
PLI 80M syquest drive has a wire from the drive to an id# switch on the
outside of the case. Where do I connect this switch?? Can the computer just
"tell" with internal drives?
I noticed that the drive will lay over part of the motherboard (I
didn't look closely, but I seem to recall it laying over the ram that's
soldered onto the motherboard? Would that cause problems?
One last question! Is there anywhere to order a faceplate cover?
the drive's front panel is smaller than the space left in the case (the
drive's panel is the same size as the spotsBM clone's cases). Should I just
cut a hole in the plastic panel that is currently holding tmpty place?
Ans are welcomed! Thanks!
Keith Moffatt
KMOFFATT@VAX2.CSTP.UMKC.EDU
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <93105.053748RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu (Robbie Po) writes:
>
> The Penguins 18 game unbeaten streak carries over to next season.
>Meaning, if they start the season with another 18 game unbeaten streak, they
>will have eclipsed the Flyers record. Right now, the Penguins are on an 11
>game winning streak, as streaks carry over from one year to another.
Hmmmm, I'm not sure this is true. According to Mike Lang and good old
Stagie, along with the rest of the TV crews in pittsburgh, they
winning streak could have stopped because it is a regular season mark.
I would think this would also hold with an unbeaten streak for regular
season games.
However, you are right that the playoff streak does carry over from
last year. And with 1 more win, I believe they tie an Edmonton record
(but don't quote me on that one).
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! "It won't be easy, but it
>Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards.
>Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are
>rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <16BA7103C3.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.091258.11830@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>
>>(2) Do women have souls in Islam?
>>
>>People have said here that some Muslims say that women do not have
>>souls. I must admit I have never heard of such a view being held by
>>Muslims of any era. I have heard of some Christians of some eras
>>holding this viewpoint, but not Muslims. Are you sure you might not be
>>confusing Christian history with Islamic history?
>>
>
>Yes, it is supposed to have been a predominant view in the Turkish
>Caliphate.
>
I am not aware of any "Turkish Caliphate" viewpoint on this. Can you
reference?
However, I found a quote due to Imam Ali, whom the Shias follow:
"Men, never obey your women in any way whatsoever. Never let them give their
advice on any matter whatsoever, even those of everyday life. Indeed, allow
them freely to give advice on anything and they will fritter away one's
wealth and disobey the wishes of the owner of this wealth.
We see them without religion, when, alone, they are left to their own
devices; they are lacking in both pity and virtue when their carnal
desires are at stake. It is easy to enjoy them, but they cause great
anxiety. The most virtious among them are libertines. But the most
corrupt are whores. Only those of them whom age has deprived of any
charm are untainted by vice. They have three qualities particular to
miscreants; they complain of being oppressed, whereas it is they
who oppress; they make oaths, whereas they are lying; they pretend
to refuse men's solicitations, whereas they desire them most ardently.
Let us beg the help of God to emerge victorious from their evil deeds.
And preserve us in any case from their good ones."
(Quote from Mas'ud al-Qanawi, ref. A. Bouhdiba, Sexuality in Islam,
p. 118).
I wouldn't consider this quote as being exemplary of the Islamic (TM)
viewpoint though. For all we know, the prophet's cousin and
the Fourth Khalif Hazret-i Ali may have said this after a frustrating
night with a woman.
Selim Guncer
--
Selim E. Guncer | Jaca negra, luna grande,
CSSER-ASU | y aceitunas en mi alforja.
(602)-965-4096 | Aunque sepa los caminos
guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu | yo nunca llegare a Cordoba.. (FGL)
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr20.052420.15559@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
|> In article <pww-180493195323@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes:
|> >In article <1993Apr18.210407.10208@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin
|> >Darcy) wrote:
|> >> The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the
|> >> primary ontological "stuff" from which all other ontology was built --
|> >> perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in
|> >> seeing intentionality (or "values", as he puts it) underlying all human
|> >> experience, even the so-called "objective" experiences, such as
|> >> measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip.
|> >
|> >And others of us see it as intellectual masturbation.
|>
|> I'll defer to your greater firsthand knowledge in such matters.
How does Husserl deal with the problem of recursion? If
intentionality lies behind the actions of a DES chip, then
intentionality of *what*, and what lies behind the phenomena
in the world of this "what"? Is there a grounding stage in
a world of pure phenomena with no intentionality behind them,
or do we have an infinite series of worlds? If there is a
grounding stage, how do we know we're not it?
jon.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I'm trying to create a button that has both a label and a bitmap using
the MenuButton widget. Is this possible? Right now, all I get is the
bitmap -- no sign of the label.
Any help would be appreciated.
scott
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <Apr.10.05.32.36.1993.14391@athos.rutgers.edu> gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:
>
>I was raised in a religious atmosphere, and attended 13 years of
>religious educational institutions.. I know the bible well. So well
>I can recognize many passages from memory.
[stuff deleted for brevity]
>Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are
>because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life
>a safety blanked to hide behind. "Oh wow..all i have to do is
>follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."
>For all of you "found jeezus" , how many of you were "on the brink?"
Your very starting point is wrong. Christianity is not based on following
a moral standard. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith...
NOT BY WORKS so that no man may boast." (Eph. 2:7-8) You say that
you know the Bible well, and can recognize (do you mean recite?) many
passages from memory. That could very well be so. However, it looks like
there are a few more passages that you should pay attention to. (Titus 3:5
and James 2:10 are among them.)
Obedience to the moral law is imporant. However, it is supposed to be the
result of turning your life over to Christ and becoming a Christian. It is
by no means the starting point.
--
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee
"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a
"Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr30.101054.1@stsci.edu> hathaway@stsci.edu writes:
>In article <1rq3os$64i@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.net (Pat) writes:
>> In article <3t75nhg@rpi.edu> strider@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Greg Moore) writes:
|> |
|> | As Herny pointed out, you have to develop the thruster.
|> |Also, while much lighter, you still have to lift the mass of
|> |the thruster to orbit, and then the thruster lifts its own
|> |weight into a higher orbit. And you take up room in the payload
|>>bay.
|>>
|>
|> a yes, but the improvement in boost orbit to the HST is Significant,
|
|I do not understand what you are saying here. What is improved, what
|is Significant, and what does this have to do with carrying more
|equipment on a servicing mission? Also, as implied by other posters, why
|do you need to boost the orbit on this mission anyway? Maybe you have
|something here, but could you please clarify it for us on the net?
|
RIght now the HST sevicing mission is listed as 11 days. before
it was listed as 9 days. they just kicked up the number of spacewalks
to 5, after simulations indicated that it was not do-able in 4.
After all the space walking, they are going to re-boost the HST's
orbit. I think right now it's sitting at 180 miles up,
they would like 220. I don't know the exact orbit numbers.
I know when HST was first flown, it was placed in the Highest
possible Shuttle orbit.
Now the shuttle can cary a thing called the EDO pallet, or extended
duration orbiter pallet. It's mostly LOX/LH for the fuel cells
and RCS gear, plus more O2 and canisters for the life support
re-breathers. maybe more nitrogen too.
THe limit on space-walking is a function of suit supplies (MASS)
and Orbiter Duration.
In order to perform the re-boost of the HST, the OMS engines
will be fired for a long period. Now the shuttle is a heavy
thing. THe HST isn't light either. THe amount of OMS fuel
needed to fly both up is substantial. a small booster
carried up and used to boost HST on it's own will weigh significantly
less then the OMS fuel required to Boost both HST and SHUttle,
for a given orbital change.
From what i understand, the mass margins on the HST missions are
tight enough they can't even carry extra Suits or MMU's.
Now if they used a small tug, I would bet, just a wild guess,
that the savings on amss margin would allow carrying the
EDO pallet, extra suits, more consumables, parts for the
flaky FGS sensor, parts for the balky solar electronics,
and still enough for a double magnum of champagne.
or the HST could even get placed into some sort of medium orbit.
The reason they want a high orbit, is less antenna pointing,
and longer drag life.
|> and that means you can then carry EDO packs and enough consumables
|> so the SHuttle mission can go on long enough to also fix the
|> array tilt motors, and god knows what else is going to wear out
|
|From what I've heard, the motors are fine - it is one of the two
|sets of electronics that control the motors that needs a fix. The
|motors and electronics are separate pieces of hardware. I expect
|to be corrected if I'm wrong on this.
|
a
Whatever it is, the problem in the tilt array is a big constraint
on HST ops.
pat
| 14sci.space |
>Anyone have a phone number for Applied Engineering so I can give them
>a call?
AE is in Dallas...try 214/241-6060 or 214/241-0055. Tech support may be on
their own line, but one of these should get you started.
Good luck!
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr29.121501@is.morgan.com>, jlieb@is.morgan.com (Jerry Liebelson) writes...
> I want to know what weightlessness actually FEELS like. For example, is
>there a constant sensation of falling?
Yes, weightlessness does feel like falling. It may feel strange at first,
but the body does adjust. The feeling is not too different from that
of sky diving.
>And what is the motion sickness
>that some astronauts occasionally experience?
It is the body's reaction to a strange environment. It appears to be induced
partly to physical discomfort and part to mental distress. Some people are
more prone to it than others, like some people are more prone to get sick
on a roller coaster ride than others. The mental part is usually induced by
a lack of clear indication of which way is up or down, ie: the Shuttle is
normally oriented with its cargo bay pointed towards Earth, so the Earth
(or ground) is "above" the head of the astronauts. About 50% of the astronauts
experience some form of motion sickness, and NASA has done numerous tests in
space to try to see how to keep the number of occurances down.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.
| 14sci.space |
In article <Apr18.194927.17048@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
[...]
> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just
>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions
>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from
>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know.
I don't know about classified, but I do seem to remember that unless
you're authorized by the Govt, it's illegal to TEMPEST-shield your
equipment. Besides, effective TEMPEST-shielding is much more
difficult than you might think (hi Jim!).
RA
rogue@cs.neu.edu (Rogue Agent/SoD!)
-----------------------------------
The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas
of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new
research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and
ask for one.
| 11sci.crypt |
In <1993Apr15.123803.4618@webo.dg.com> lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>|> In article <rudyC5Fr3q.1CL@netcom.com> rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes:
>|> >In article <C5FMxD.2pM@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes:
>|> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for
>|> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as
>|> >>Alomar last year.
>|> >
>|> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count)
>|> >that you are basing this statement on?
>|>
>|> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter
>|> last year.
>|>
>|> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E
>|> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19
>|> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5
>|>
>This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last
>year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga
>had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage
>for Alomar is OBP
Hmmm...what about walks and SB? Baerga got clobbered by Alomar in OBP and
beat him in SLG by a lesser margin. Even putting aside any other factors,
a player with a 51 point edge in OBP is more productive than a player with
a 28 point edge in SLG. The issue has been studied before, and I doubt you
could come up with any convincing argument the other way.
People see the batting average and the HR, but they don't really know
their value is worth unless they've studied the issue closely. The fact is that
Baerga ate up a LOT more outs than Alomar; while Baerga was making outs,
Alomar was drawing walks and being on base for Carter, Winfield et.al.
Gord Niguma
(fav player: John Olerud)
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr19.034517.12820@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
> In article <RICHK.93Apr15075248@gozer.grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
> >> Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might
> >> need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that
> >> much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM?
> >> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> >So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by
> >increasing the amount of overlapping you do.
> >
> >One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it
> >possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory
> >without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move
> >the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and
> >bus mastering.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus?
>
> >IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface
> >created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data
> >bytes, with no DMA.
>
> If we're talking ISA (AT) bus here, then you can only have 1 DMA channel
> active at any one time, presumably transferring data from a single device.
> So even though you can have at least 7 devices on a SCSI bus, explain how
> all 7 of those devices can to DMA transfers through a single SCSI card
> to the ISA-AT bus at the same time.
Think!
It's the SCSI card doing the DMA transfers NOT the disks...
The SCSI card can do DMA transfers containing data from any of the SCSI devices
it is attached when it wants to.
An important feature of SCSI is the ability to detach a device. This frees the
SCSI bus for other devices. This is typically used in a multi-tasking OS to
start transfers on several devices. While each device is seeking the data the
bus is free for other commands and data transfers. When the devices are
ready to transfer the data they can aquire the bus and send the data.
On an IDE bus when you start a transfer the bus is busy until the disk has seeked
the data and transfered it. This is typically a 10-20ms second lock out for other
processes wanting the bus irrespective of transfer time.
>
> Also, I'm still trying to track down a copy of IBM's AT reference book,
> but from their PC technical manual (page 2-93):
>
> "The (FDD) adapter is buffered on the I.O bus and uses the System Board
> direct memory access (DMA) for record data transfers."
> I expect to see something similar for the PC-AT HDD adapter.
> So the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT
> HDD controller doesn't!?!? That makes real sense.
--
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr20.160519@IASTATE.EDU> kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
>In article <1r15rvINNh8p@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King)
>writes:
>>"The modern theory of evolution is so inadequate that it deserves to be
>>treated as a matter of faith." -- Francis Hitching
>
> Neither I, nor Webster's has ever heard of Francis Hitchings. Who is he?
>Please do not answer with "A well known evolutionist" or some other such
>informationless phrase.
Francis Hitching is the author of, among other books,
_The Neck of the Giraffe_." He believes evolution is
directed by some sort of cosmic force, but does not like
Darwinism. He wrote in this book [ _The Neck of the
Giraffe_, Ticknor & Fields, New Haven, Connecticut, 1982,
p. 12 (p. 4, paperback)] that:
For all its acceptance in the scientific world as the
great unifying principle of biology, Darwinism, after
a century and a quarter, is in a surprising amount of
trouble. Evolution and Darwinism are often taken to
mean the same thing. But they don't. Evolution of
life over a very long period of time is a fact, if we
are to believe evidence gathered during the last two
centuries from geology, paleontology, molecular biol-
ogy and many other scientific disciplines. Despite
the many believers in Divine creation who dispute this
..., the probability that evolution has occurred
approaches certainty in scientific terms.... On the
other hand Darwinism (or neo-Darwinism, its modern
version) is a theory that seeks to explain evolution.
It has not, contrary to general belief, and despite
very great efforts, been proved.
Research on Hitching turned up the following: Hitching is
basically a sensational TV script writer and has no scien-
tific credentials. In _The Neck of the Giraffe_ he claimed
to be a member of the Royal Archaeological Institute, but an
inquiry to that institute said he was not. He implied in
the "Acknowledgements" of _The Neck of the Giraffe_ that
paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould had helped in the writing
of the book, but upon inquiry Gould said he did not know him
and had no information about him. Hitching also implied
that his book had been endorsed by Richard Dawkins, but upon
inquiry Dawkins stated: "I know nothing at all about Francis
Hitching. If you are uncovering the fact that he is a char-
latan, good for you. His book, _The Neck of the Giraffe,_
is one of the silliest and most ignorant I have read for
years."
Hitching believes in the paranormal and has written on
Mayan pyramid energy and for some "In Search Of..." episodes
on BBC television. The reference work _Contemporary
Authors,_ Vol. 103, page 208, lists him as a member of the
Society for Psychical Research, the British Society of
Dowsers and of the American Society of Dowsers. His writ-
ings include: _Earth Magic,_ _Dowsing: The Psi Connection,_
_Mysterious World: An Atlas of the Unexplained,_ _Fraud,
Mischief, and the Supernatural_ and _Instead of Darwin_.
Hitching's book spends much of its time attacking Dar-
winian evolution, borrowing heavily and uncritically from
young-earth creationist arguments. Many of Hitching's "ref-
erences" are lifted from young-earth creationist literature
rather than being quoted directly from their original
sources. One magazine had this to say [_Creation/Evolution
Newsletter_, 7, No. 5, pp. 15-16, September/October 1987]:
Speaking of the Biblical Creation Society, there was
an interesting letter in the January 1983 issue of
their journal Biblical Creation (p. 74) concerning a
review of Francis Hitching's 1982 book _The Neck of
the Giraffe_. Hitching's book is strongly anti-
Darwinist, and is enthusiastically hailed by most cre-
ationists (though he also pokes fun at fundamentalist
creationists). The letter, by creationist Malcolm
Bowden (author of _The Rise of the Evolution Fraud_),
points out that Hitching simply "culled his informa-
tion from the creationist literature." This is indeed
the case: many creationist works are cited favorably
(Anderson, Coffin, Clark, Daly, Davidheiser, Dewar,
Gish, Morris, Segraves, Whitcomb, and Wysong, plus
various anti-Darwinists). Hitching does cite Bowden's
earlier book _Ape-Men -- Fact or Fallacy?_, but Bowden
accuses Hitching of "lifting" several passages and
illustrations from his book without acknowledgment:
in other words, plagiarism. "Hitchin's [sic] book is
largely an exposition of the creationists [sic] view-
point from the beginning to almost the end," Bowden
points out.... Hitching is also a paranormalist, an
advocate of psychic evolution.... [Hitching's book]
_Earth Magic_ is a wild, extremely entertaining and
thoroughly psychic interpretation of megalithic struc-
tures.... Hitching also includes in his scheme cosmic
cataclysms, Atlantis, pyramidology, dowsing, ESP,
miraculous healing, and astrology.
-------------------------------------------------------
Alan Feuerbacher
alanf@atlas.pen.tek.com
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes:
>I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities
>quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000
>feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted...
Mexico City, Bogota, La Paz?
>
>Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and
>my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very
>dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep
>away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol.
>
>Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there
>(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible?
>Is there something else that I could do?
Go three days early. Preliminary acclimatization takes 3-4 days. It
takes weeks or months for full acclimatization. Could you be
experiencing some jet lag, too?
| 13sci.med |
Hi!
I am working on a project that needs to create contour lines
from random data points. The work that I have done so far tells me that I
need to look into Triangulated Irregular Networks (TIN), the Delauney
criiterion, and the Krige method. Does anyone have any suggestions for
references, programs and hopefully source code for creating contours. Any
help with this or any surface modeling would be greatly appreciated.
I can be reached at the addresses below:
-- Paul Conway
PVCONWAY@COPPER.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
PVCONWAY@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <raynor.735415408@beech.cs.scarolina.edu> raynor@cs.scarolina.edu (Harold Brian Raynor) writes:
>
>I am looking for some information of hidden line removal using Roberts
>algorithm. Something with code, or pseudo code would be especially
>helpful.
>
>I am required to do this for a class, due Monday (we have very little
>time to implement these changes, it is a VERY FAST paced class). The
>notes given in class leave a LOT to be desired, so I would vastly
>appreciate any help.
>
>Actually any algorithm would be nice (Roberts or no). The main problem
>is two objects intersecting in x and y dimensions, need to know which
>lines to clip off so that one object will appear in front of another.
>
>If you can give me an ftp address and filename, or even the name of a
>good book, I'd REALLY appreciate it.
G'day Brian,
I'll be blunt about this. The ONLY reasonable explanation of Roberts
algorithm is in
Procedural Elements for Computer Graphics
Rogers
McGraw-Hill Book Co. 1985
Go to the library and look at this.
There is also a somewhat muddled explanation in the first edition
of Newman and Sproull.
The algorithm described in PECG runs in near linear time.
Luck,
Dave Rogers
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <franjion.735590256@spot.Colorado.EDU>
franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) writes:
>Unfortunately, Roger is now over at r.s.baseball spewing his expertise
>(i.e. being a dickhead). I guess he is afraid of posting anything
>here, because he knows what to expect.
>--
>John Franjione
>Department of Chemical Engineering
>University of Colorado, Boulder
>franjion@spot.colorado.edu
Hey, we could start a new game on the net. It's called 'Where's Roger?'
It's similiar to 'Where's Waldo?' but instead of finding Waldo in a picture
of people, we try to find Roger in a newsgroup on the net.
I predict that he'll be in r.s.basketball.pro next.
Laurie Marshall
Wayne State University
Detroit, Michigan
Go Wings!!!!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <rdippold.735253985@qualcom> rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) writes:
>
>geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes:
>>Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were
>>responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the
>>new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and
>>Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay
>>the body at the proper door to start with.
>
>The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result
>would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported
>this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so
>obviously doing. I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton
>administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it
>and brought it to fruition.
[...]
(the date I have for this is 1-26-93)
note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess
this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though.
--- cut here ---
WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The War on Drugs is about to get a fresh
start, President Clinton told delegates to the National Federation
of Police Commisioners convention in Washington.
In the first speech on the drug issue since his innaugural,
Clinton said that his planned escalation of the Drug War ``would make
everything so far seem so half-hearted that for all practical
purposes this war is only beginning now.'' He repeatedly emphasized
his view that ``regardless of what has been tried, or who has tried
it, or how long they've been trying it, this is Day One to me.''
The audience at the convention, whose theme is ``How do we spell
fiscal relief? F-O-R-F-E-I-T-U-R-E,'' interrupted Clinton frequently
with applause.
Clinton's program, presented in the speech, follows the
outline given in his campaign position papers: a cabinet-level Drug
Czar and ``boot camps'' for first-time youthful offenders. He did,
however, cover in more detail his plans for improved enforcement
methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,''
Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict
controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration
of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug
dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the
approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground
economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who
live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.''
Clinton expressed optimism that the drug war can be won
``because even though not everyone voted for Bill Clinton last
November, everyone did vote for a candidate who shares my sense of
urgency about fighting the drug menace. The advocates of
legalization -- the advocates of surrender -- may be very good at
making noise,'' Clinton said. ``But when the American people cast
their ballots, it only proved what I knew all along -- that the
advocates of surrender are nothing more than a microscopic fringe.''
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In article <C5uE6G.J83@acsu.buffalo.edu> v003nnc3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE) writes:
>[...] I'd like to see some playoff games since I'm stuck in Buffalo at UB, but
>I think Boston isn't giving up so easy.
>
No, Boston probably won't go down easy, but if the Sabres hadn't won
game one Buffalo would have been out in four.
And what problem are you having with playoff games here in
Buffalo???!!!??? There's the Sabres-Bruins, Quebec-Montreal, and
whatever ESPN and ABC show, and on opposite nights there's
Toronto-Detroit and whatever ESPN(/ABC) shows. More hockey than a
good chunk of North America, either side of the border. It's
wonderful, and there are thousands of folks who'd kill to be in your
shoes, coverage-wise.
--
Valerie Hammerl John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU faster and faster. "I wanted to learn how to
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate." P. LaFontaine
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1r8u6v$prv@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, twork@egr.msu.edu (Michael Twork) writes:
>>roots in Detroit. He would be a valuable asset to the Wings and Perhaps the
>>Rangers could get a Zombo in return?
>
>
>
> Wake up and smell the Norris!! Rick Zombo was traded to the Blues for Vince
> Riendo (sp?) last season.
>
> - Mike
>
Sorry Mike! What defensemen would the Wings be willing to give up for Beezer?
>
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr21.215204.18373@ntg.com> dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) writes:
The IRQ and interface-select jumpers are pretty straightforward, but I
don't grok the settings of W10-W18 (also labelled A15 through A18).
Could somebody tell me which settings of these four jumpers correspond
to what I/O addresses?
The U-B PCNIC (also OEMed by IBM for a while) is the only Ethernet card I
know of that doesn't use I/O addresses. It only has interrupts and shared
memory. The jumpers you see control bits 15-18 in the base address of the
shared memory. I can't recall which is 1 and which 0, but that's easy
to determine with DEBUG.
James B. VanBokkelen 2 High St., North Andover, MA 01845
FTP Software Inc. voice: (508) 685-4000 fax: (508) 794-4488
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
> In article <930421.102525.9Y9.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew
> <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> #frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
> #> Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others?
> #> How so? How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference?
> #
> #Which goes faster, a bullet or a snail? How come you can answer that when
> #Einstein proved that there isn't an objective frame of reference?
>
> Not that Einstein "proved" anything,
Oh, yes he did. You may not agree with his premises, and what he proved may
not apply to "reality" (if such a thing exists), but he certainly proved
something.
> but you can't answer it, and your
> answer be in general true.
Got it in one. Similarly, a moral relativist will not judge one moral system
to be better than another in every possible circumstance. This does not,
however, preclude him from judging one moral system to be better than another
in a specific set of circumstances. Nor does it preclude a set of moral
relativists from collectively judging a moral system, from some set of
circumstances which they all agree they are in.
> And even that statement assumes an
> objective reality independent of our beliefs about it.
Eh? Could you explain this? Which "that statement" are you talking about?
> #> And what weasel word do you use to describe that frame of reference, if
> #> it isn't an objective reality for values?
> #
> #I'm sorry, I can't parse "an objective reality for values". Could you try
> #again?
>
> s/an objective reality for values/some values are real even in the face
> of disagreement/
I still don't quite see what you're trying to say. I assume by "values" you
mean moral values, yes? In which case, what do you mean by "real"? What is
a "real" moral value, as opposed to an unreal one?
> If you are saying that some moral systems are better than others, in
> your opinion, then all you get is infinite regress.
Sorry, but in what way is it an infinite regress? It looks extremely finite
to me.
> What you do not get
> is any justification for saying that the moral system of the terrorist
> is inferior to that of the man of peace.
Sorry, but that's not so. I can provide a justification for asserting that
the moral system of the terrorist is inferior to that of the man of peace. I
just can't provide a justification which works in all possible circumstances.
Similarly, I can provide a justification for asserting that bullets move
faster than snails. That justification won't hold in all possible frames of
reference, but it will hold in almost all the frames of reference I am ever
likely to be in.
> Your saying it does not
> make it so, and that's according to your premise, not mine.
I don't think I agree with this. My saying it *does* make it so *from my
point of view* and according to *my premises*, unless the argument is invalid.
It may indeed not make it so from your point of view, but I never claimed
that it did. In fact, I don't even claim that you exist enough to have a
point of view.
mathew
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I've used on-chip capacitors to reduce ground-bounce noise on a small
systolic array chip that had 50pF loads on the clock lines.
(Design was in 2-micron n-well cmos, using the MOSIS scalable design rules.)
Here are some thoughts on the bypass capacitors:
1) They don't help much with simultaneous output switching--there is
still a large inductance between the bypass capacitor and the
load capacitor (on both the signal line and the ground
return), so you still get ground and power line bounce.
2) They do help a lot with on-chip loads, as I had with the high load
on the clock lines.
3) The transients you are trying to suppress are really high
frequency, so forget about large areas of poly-thin-oxide-diff
capacitors, since the RC time constant is too large.
What I did is to make a metal2, metal, poly, diff sandwich,
but put a lot of holes in the poly layer, allowing frequent
diff-metal1 contacts. I forget exactly how wide the poly
lines were. If I were doing this design again, I'd probably
omit the diff altogether, and use a solid poly sheet instead,
using just m2, m1, and poly (and substrate, but that has such a high
resistance it can be ignored at these speeds).
4) You are probably better off trying to tune your circuit to run with
slightly slower edges and lower voltage swings (especially for
output signalling), than spending chip area on capacitors.
I had spare space on the die since the circuit was too big for
a MOSIS tiny chip, and the next size up was twice as big as I
needed.
Kevin Karplus
--
Kevin Karplus karplus@ce.ucsc.edu
Due to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel is
being turned off.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <ragraca.735309624@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae,
>>Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous
>>GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it...
>>that would hardly rank him as the best GM.
>
>There are many teams in the NHL who have taken a liking to Russian players.
>The "whole Russian strategy" is not specific to Detroit or to Devellano,
>who was GM before Murray. What the previous GM also did was to trade
>away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams, most
>notably (in my memory) Murray Craven, who had a few very good years with
>Philly after leaving here. Also, it's not the volume of trades that will
>necessarily improve a team, but the quality of them. Trading Adam Oates
>for Bernie Federko was just plain stupid, even if Federko used to be a
>great player at one time. Most of Murray's trades have worked significantly
>to the Wings' advantage, with those that didn't being soured mainly by
>injury to the players involved (such as Troy Crowder, who suffered back
>problems from which he never really recovered).
>
Devallano went earlier and more extensively to the Russian strategy
than anyone else...and was the first GM to "waste" high draft choices
on young Russians...Devallano would still be GM but he succombed to
Demers pleading to make the Oates-Federko et al trade...which is the
deal that sealed his fate.
Murray has made some decent trades...no doubt...but these are more
due to the stupidity or cheapness of other teams than brilliance on
his part...Washington was too cheap to pay Ciccarelli so they
essentially gave him away...and Carson was really a big anchor to
the team, and he was able to sucker a rookie GM to give him Paul
Coffey for deadweight.
If Detroit still fails this year because he was one defenseman short...
then he will have wasted an opportunity because Manson was available,
and he was unable to pull the trigger. It is his judgement that he
has enough with what he's got...Yzerman doesn't have that many more
years in his prime.
Gerald
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone knew of an interface to od ( octal dump ), I assume
it would be called xod. Actually, any viewer for a core file will do.
I looked at export ( @ mit ) in the index of /contrib, but didn't find anything
relevant.
Thanks,
I Hate bama & winter
main@superman.msfc.nasa.gov
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <C5JH23.Eu8@encore.com>, rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
> Look at the whole picture, not just
> randomly picked libertarian positions. If government is not allowed to
> use "non-initiated force" to achieve its goals, than no special interest
> can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf.
Either the government has force available to it, or it doesn't. The
Libertarian position is that the government can use force only when someone
else uses force first -- even when that first force is not directed
against the government, but one of its citizens. That all being true,
what safeguards do we have against the government CLAIMING that some
initiation of force on its part is really a response? (Like the burning
of the Maine, the Tonkin Gulf incident, or the assault on Waco?)
I ask this not to argue, but to understand.
(Followups to alt.politics.libertarian only.)
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <May.11.02.37.01.1993.28111@athos.rutgers.edu>, mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:|> feeling that "the assumption of Mary" would be better phrased "our
[text deleted]
|> I also don't see the _necessity_ of saying the Holy Parents were some-
|> how sanctified beyond normal humanity: it sounds like our own inability
|> to grasp the immensity of God's grace in being incarnated through an or-
|> dinary human being.
|>
[text deleted]
|> --
|> paul marxhausen
Thank you very much Paul. I have always been impressed by the very human-ness of
Mary. That God chose a woman, like me, to bring into this world the incarnation
of Himself proves to me that this God is MY God. He reaches down from His
perfection to touch me. Ah, the wonder of it all :-)
--
Sheila Patterson, CIT CR-Technical Support Group
315 CCC - Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
(607) 255-5388
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Does anyone know of a site where I could ftp some RenderMan shaders?
Or of a newsgroup which has discussion or information about RenderMan? I'm
new to the RenderMan (Mac) family, and I'd like to get as much info I can
lay my hands on. Thanks!
Andy Bates.
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Andy Bates.
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>
moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:
>Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>
>: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the
>: original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell.
>
>Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC!
>
>: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company
>: and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by
>: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets
>: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.
>
>Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man
>named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation
>of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.
>
>: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers,
>: thus our use of the Ohms...
>
>I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.
>
>:
>: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from...
>Well you got one thing right!
>:
Actually, I think J. Chiu knows the score and is just being
silly. However, "decibel" is in fact 1/10th of a bel. He is
right on that one, but I don't know if it was accidental or not.
Strictly defined, a bel is the ratio of the log of two power levels,
and a decibel is 1/10th of a bel so you have 10X decibels for every bel,
hence bel=log(P2/P1) and decibel=10Xlog(P2/P1).
The bel, ohm, volt, farad, ampere, watt, hertz, henry, etc. are
all named for pioneers in the field. It's a traditional and fine
way to honor researchers who discover new knowledge in a new field.
Hertz was one of the most important of the early electronics explorers,
but had been left out in having a term or unit named after him
until recently, (1960's, prior to that what is now a hertz was a cps.)
All the other units were defined many decades earlier.
--
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| 12sci.electronics |
On 20 Apr 93 08:31:07 GMT timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) wrote:
>mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu writes:
[writing to someone else]
>But you, probably like me, seem to be a soft atheist. Sorry for the flamage.
Can we get back to using the terms "strong Atheist" and "weak Atheist"
rather than this "hard Atheist" and "soft Atheist". I can imagine
future discussions with Newbies where there is confusion because of the
multiplication of descriptions.
[rest deleted]
--
Mike McAngus | The Truth is still the Truth
mam@mouse.cmhnet.org | Even if you choose to ignore it.
|
(Some of the old .sig viruses are still the best)
| 0alt.atheism |
I've been thinking about how difficult it would be to make PGP available
in some form on EBCDIC machines. The message authentication would be ugly,
but I think at least the IDEA encryption could work, if PGP had a switch
to tell it to use IDEA in OFB-mode or ECB-mode. In OFB-mode, errors in
translating EBCDIC-->ASCII-->EBCDIC would only affect their byte, not the
16 bytes that would be affected under CBC.
Is PGP set up to use different IDEA modes? I don't recall notincing it
in the executable, but I haven't gone through it as carefully as I probably
should....
--John Kelsey
| 11sci.crypt |
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| 1comp.graphics |
Hi:
I went to the orthopedist on Tuesday. He diagnosed me as having
"intersection syndrome". He prescribed Feldene for me. I want
to know more about the disease and the drug.
Thanks
Somesh
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr21.100149.1501@rtsg.mot.com>, kissane@black (John G. Kissane) writes:
>As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while
>here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering.....
Primarily milage. Gas is much more expensive, so people are very
concerned about it taking a few more liters per kilometer. This,
along with narrow old cities, also results in smaller cars with
smaller engines. These engines usually don't have the torque to mesh
well with an automatic. So, having engines that don't work well with
autos, and a great concern for milage, the usual Euro-car has a
manual.
(Note that not many big Benzes come with manuals. If you've got the
money for the car, you've got the money for the gas, and the engine to
drive through the slushbox.)
As automatics become more efficient, the "bigotry" is probably
reduced. Still, everyone knows how to drive a manual, and cars are
cheaper with one, and it saves a little expensive fuel. So there
aren't compelling reasons to go automatic.
-dB
--
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr26.204319.11231@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, E.A. Story (eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
> In article <1rgrsvINNmpr@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
> >Greg:Flame definitely intended here. Bill was making fun of the misspelling.
> >Go look up the word "krill." Also, the correct spelling is Kirlian. It
> >involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the
> >subject to a high-voltage source, not of some "aura." It works equally well
> >with inanimate objects.
> True.. but what about showing the missing part of a leaf? Is this
> "corona discharge"?
No. It's called "not wiping off the apparatus after taking a picture of the
whole leaf."
Gene Battin
battin@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu
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