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In article <1993Apr24.162351.4408@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, elg@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Elizabeth Glaser) writes:
> I am looking for the email address of the World Health Organization,
> in particular the address for the Department of Nursing or the Chief
> Scientist for Nursing: Dr. Miriam Hirschfeld. The snail-mail address I
> have is the following:
>
> World Health Organization
> 20 Avenue Appia
> 1211 Geneva 27
> Switzerland
The domain address of the WHO is: who.arcom.ch
So try sending email to postmaster@who.arcom.ch
Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
>
> Please respond directly to me. Thank you for your assistance.
>
>
>
> --- elg ---
>
> Elizabeth Glaser, RN
> elg@silver.lcs.mit.edu
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5soMx.HMD@boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:
>If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors,
>you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above
Seems to me folks, that if you are so interested in acquiring CNN, just
buy your $1000 worth of stock today. It's being traded everyday. After you
own your piece, we can work on the proxy votes later. It's probably even a
good investment.
Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
chuck@eng.umd.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article 165506 in talk.politics.misc, parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu
(Robert S. Parker) writes:
>-Rob
>...is getting sick of people bitching about taxes. 5 to 10% is nothing
>compared to the 80% income tax in a certain country (Sweeden? something
>like that). (My income is small because I'm still a student, so my tax
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>percentages could be a little off, but...) You can afford 5% (or even 10%)
>of a $50,000 per year income (leaving you with $47,500--guess you can't
>afford that new sterio system) (along with everyone else in the country),
>so that everyone can have access to decent health care (including you,
>when you lose your job and couldn't afford it if you had to pay for it
>all yourself, since you can't get as much money back for that $2,500 sterio
>system as you paid for it).
>NOTE: I don't have any exact figures on the proposed health-care package,
>so please don't assume that it would be 5% of your income as that was not
>my point. (That was approximate total tax, not tax for one thing.)
Boy is this guy in for a shock when he hits the real world! Our tax rate
is incredibly high, higher than many European countries -- it is just
packaged differently (income, Social inSecurity, Medicare, payroll taxes,
property taxes, sales taxes, fees, mandatory disability insurance, state,
federal, local, etc. etc. etc.). Other countries just haven't found as
many ways to hide "revenue enhancers" as our clever American politicians.
I hope you enjoy the $8K you actually get to spend from your first $25K
job out of school, Rob, you patriot you.
Matt Freivald
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LiBORGalism:
THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT.
FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT.
CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE.
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In <C5nF2r.KpJ@world.std.com> steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) writes:
>I looked for diab in my .newsrc and came up with nuthin. Anyone have
>any good sources for where I can read?
Check out the DIABETIC mailing list -- a knowledgable, helpful, friendly,
voluminous bunch. Send email to LISTSERV@PCCVM.BITNET, with this line
in the body:
SUBSCRIBE DIABETIC <your name here>
Also, the vote for misc.health.diabetes, a newsgroup for general discussion
of diabetes, is currently underway, and will close on 29 April. From the
2nd CFV, posted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and sci.med,
message <1q1jshINN4v1@rodan.UU.NET>:
>To place a vote FOR the creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an
>email message to yes@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil
>
>To place a vote AGAINST creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an
>email message to no@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil
>
>The contents of the message should contain the line "I vote
>for/against misc.health.diabetes as proposed". Email messages sent to
>the above addresses must constitute unambiguous and unconditional
>votes for/against newsgroup creation as proposed. Conditional votes
>will not be accepted. Only votes emailed to the above addresses will
>be counted; mailed replies to this posting will be returned. In the
>event that more than one vote is placed by an individual, only the
>most recent vote will be counted. One additional CFV will be posted
>during the course of the vote, along with an acknowledgment of those
>votes received to date. No information will be supplied as to how
>people are voting until the final acknowledgment is made at the end,
>at which time the full vote will be made public.
>
>Voting will continue until 23:59 GMT, 29 Apr 93.
>Votes will not be accepted after this date.
>
>Any administrative inquiries pertaining to this CFV may be made by
>email to swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil
>
>The proposed charter appears below.
>
>--------------------------
>
>Charter:
>
>misc.health.diabetes unmoderated
>
>1. The purpose of misc.health.diabetes is to provide a forum for the
>discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management, i.e.: diet,
>activities, medicine schedules, blood glucose control, exercise,
>medical breakthroughs, etc. This group addresses the issues of
>management of both Type I (insulin dependent) and Type II (non-insulin
>dependent) diabetes. Both technical discussions and general support
>discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome.
>
>2. Postings to misc.heath.diabetes are intended to be for discussion
>purposes only, and are in no way to be construed as medical advice.
>Diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision
>by a primary health care physician.
>
>-----(end of charter)-----
| 13sci.med |
If anyone has a list of companies doing data visualization (software
or hardware) I would like to hear from them. Thanks.
-- krs
--
K.R.Subramanian Ph: (908) 582-6346
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Rm. 2A240 email : krs@research.att.com
600 Mountain Av.
Murray Hill, NJ 07974
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>
gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:
>
>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.
>brian, a very distressed cardinal fan.
>--
No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I've never seen a guy who
can waste talent like he can. One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league,
and he's still finding a way to lose. I'll be surprised if he makes it through
the next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made.
An even more frustrated Royals fan,
Darin J. Keener dak988s@vma.smsu.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Here are some ideas for those of you who want to oppose the White
House Clipper chip crypto initiative. I think this is going to be a
tough measure to fight, since the Government has invested a lot of
resources in developing this high-profile initiative. They are
serious about it now. It won't be as easy as it was defeating Senate
Bill 266 in 1991.
Possible actions to take in response:
1) Mobilize your friends to to all the things on this list, and
more.
2) Work the Press. Talk with your local newspaper's science and
technology reporter. Write to your favorite trade rags. Better yet,
write some articles yourself for your favorite magazines or
newspapers. Explain why the Clipper chip initiative is a bad idea.
Remember to tailor it to your audience. The general public may be
slow to grasp why it's a bad idea, since it seems so technical and
arcane and innocent sounding. Try not to come across as a flaming
libertarian paranoid extremist, even if you are one.
3) Lobby Congress. Write letters and make phone calls to your
Member of Congress in your own district, as well as your two US
Senators. Many Members of Congress have aides that advise them of
technology issues. Talk to those aides.
4) Involve your local political parties. The Libertarian party
would certainly be interested. There are also libertarian wings of
the Democrat and Republican parties. The right to privacy has a
surprisingly broad appeal, spanning all parts of the political
spectrum. We have many natural allies. The ACLU. The NRA. Other
activist groups that may someday find themselves facing a government
that can suppress them much more efficiently if these trends play
themselves out. But you must articulate our arguments well if you
want to draw in people who are not familiar with these issues.
4) Contribute money to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and
Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR), assuming
these groups will fight this initiative. They need money for legal
expenses and lobbying.
5) Mobilize opposition in industry. Companies that will presumably
develop products that will incorporate the Clipper chip should be
lobbied against it, from within and from without. If you work for a
telecommunications equipment vendor, first enlist the aid of your
coworkers and fellow engineers against this initiative, and then
present your company's management with a united front of engineering
talent against this initiative. Write persuasive memos to your
management, with your name and your colleagues' names on it. Hold
meetings on it.
6) Publicize, deploy and entrench as much guerrilla
techno-monkeywrenching apparatus as you can. That means PGP,
anonymous mail forwarding systems based on PGP, PGP key servers,
etc. The widespread availability of this kind of technology might
also be used as an argument that it can't be effectively suppressed
by Government action. I will also be working to develop new useful
tools for these purposes.
7) Be prepared to engage in an impending public policy debate on
this topic. We don't know yet how tough this fight will be, so we
may have to compromise to get most of what we want. If we can't
outright defeat it, we may have to live with a modified version of
this Clipper chip plan in the end. So we'd better be prepared to
analyze the Government's plan, and articulate how we want it
modified.
-Philip Zimmermann
| 11sci.crypt |
I agree with Gaia. Even though the Saturn has proved to be a very reliable car
so far, a little money spent now is worth the peace of mind.
In my opinion, getting the PowerTrain warranty is enough. In my case, that's be
cause; anything that needed repairing in the interior (sunroof, windows, doors,
etc.) I could do myself. I just didn't want to mess with the engine and such.
Plus I think the extra 3 years of 24-hour RoadSide Assistance must be worthe so
meting. I opted for the 5 year plan for $375.
Thomas
| 7rec.autos |
I have the following CD's that I'd like to sell:
M.O.D. Gross Misconduct
Metal Giants (at early metal compilation including Aerosmith, Mountain, Blue Oyster Cult, Judus Priest, etc.)
Metal Church Blessings in Disguise (excellent)
Slayer Hell Awaits
Anthrax Among the Living
Whiplash Power and Pain
Dream Theater Images and Words (Pull me under)
Exodus Fabulous Disaster (Heavy)
Death Angel The Ultra Violence (hard to find)
All CD's are in excellent condition (no scratches or skips). After
checking several similar articles, it seems the going rate is $8. Hence
CD's are $8.00 postage paid. Please e-mail me if you are interested,
as I rarely read these groups. I'll ship asap after receiving cash, check
or money order. e-mail me for my snail-mail address.
tlod_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Rochester, NY
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1r42r9$965@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, lonewolf@muse.Corp.Sun.COM (Peter Pak) writes:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a source for 386DX/25 Motherboards? I've
> been calling around the local stores and everyone appears
> to be only stocking the 386DX/33/40 or 386SX/25/33 motherboards.
>
> How difficult is it to modify a 386DX/40 motherboard to run at
> 25 MHz? Is it as simple as replacing the system clock with a
> slower part?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Peter
This is normally the case, but make sure you get a board with a plug in oscillator
as you will screw up your warranty if you start to solder the board.
--
Mark
______________________________________________________________________________
mark@uk.ac.ox.physchem
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes:
>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next
>> year with all new models.
>Junk?They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and
>acceleration.They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not
>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class
>leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4
>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K.
How can car be any good that has
S N A C
U D N E
written on the back with crooked letters as if a 2-year-old had
written it? Hehhehehehahaha!
(About as silly as Crysler's attemps to make the label on the back
of some of their other cars appear like they are Mercedes.)
Sorry, I couldn't resist...
-BarryB
| 7rec.autos |
> * Moog, Serge, Paia, or Buchla analogue synthesizer modules or components
> if you have any of the following items, or similar goods, please e-mail or call
Chris (Analog Modular Systems) in L.A. specializes in modular stuff, and I know as of
last week he has some Serge modules, and perhaps Moog as well.
Number> (213) 850-5216
I just got an Xpander from him - this guy knows how to pack 'em right.
| 6misc.forsale |
Just a side note on this German translation (or whatever) of Josephus.
My historian friend says that the latest craze about Josephus is
the Japanese translation! He says the thing is selling like hot cakes
over in Japan. As good and powerful as Josephus reads in English, I
suspect it reads even better in Japanese!
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In <May.5.02.51.25.1993.28737@athos.rutgers.edu> shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com writes:
> Here's a question that some friends and I were debating last night.
> Q: If you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that
> unbelievers simply remained dead, would you remain a Christian?
(Reasoning pertinent to believing Xians deleted for space)
It strikes me, for no apparent reason, that this is reversible.
I.e., if I had proof that there existed a hell, in which I would be
eternally punished for not believing in life, would that make me a Xian?
(pardon my language) _Bloody_hell_no_!
...Of course, being merely a reversal of your thinking, this
doesn't add anything _new_ to the debate, but...
> Several friends disagreed, arguing the fear of hell was necessary
> to motivate people to Christianity. To me that fatally undercuts the
> message that God is love.
A point very well taken, IMNSHO.
--
"Successful terrorism is called revolution, and is admired by history.
Unsuccessful terrorism is just lowly, cowardly terrorism."
- Phil Trodwell on alt.atheism
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <2855@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>,
tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) wrote:
> In article <1993Apr20.220340.2585@ra.royalroads.ca> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes:
> >armed to the teeth. A Christian should not have to rely on physical weapons
> >to defend himself. A Christian should rely on his faith and intelligence.
> Faith and intelligence tell me that when a druggie breaks into my house at
> night with a knife to kill me for the $2 in my wallet, a .357 is considerably
> more persuasive than having devotions with him.
...in other words faith in a .357 is far stronger than faith in a
God providing a miracle for his followers. Interesting. Now, if
David Korresh was God, why couldn't he use lightning instead of
semi-automatic rifles? It seems even he didn't trust in himself.
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
This discussion is better followed in talk.politics.space
Joseph Cain cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu
cain@fsu.bitnet scri::cain
(904) 644-4014 FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098
| 14sci.space |
In article <C50FnH.Cvo@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
> [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format
> so popular]
>
>Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia:
<looking around> Who? Where?
Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other
conservatives do as well.
Julie
DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Alan Barrett (barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za) wrote:
> In article <C5LGAz.250@dove.nist.gov>,
> clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:
>
>> In making this decision, I do
>> not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the
>> government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that
>> are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key-
>> escrow system.
>
> "In making this decision, I intend to prevent the private sector from
> developing, except with the government's approval, other microcircuits
> or algorithms that are more effective in assuring privacy."
>
Doesn't this just mean that the government might not approve
something for use by other government agencies. This does not
sound to me to be any form of threat that Joe User can't develop
and use his own encryption algorithm.
--
"You want it should sing too?" | /* Yeah we got dogs and Valvoline
ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov | Its a pretty damn good time. */
"Life is pain. Anyone that tells you different is trying to sell you something"
| 11sci.crypt |
For all those who are interested and would like to discuss the popular
Secret Life..and/or other technical documentaries.. Please email me
as i am starting a newsgroup
--
jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu | Its not impossible, just improbable
johnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox)
bl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand)
| 12sci.electronics |
Hello,
I've recently had Povray draw about 10 sample files. The problem is that
I accidently erased the command in my povray.def that made the image a targas
file. So now the files are the dump format. How do I fix these files with out
having to re-trace them? By fix I mean, turn them into targas. Thanks in
advance.
-Jerry
--
#################################################################
Jerry M. Lineberry
InterNet : lineber@lonestar.utsa.edu or CompuServe : 71221,3015
#################################################################
| 1comp.graphics |
I recently learned about these devices that supposedly induce specific
brain wave frequencies in their users simply by wearing them. Mind machines
consist of LED gogles, head phones, and a microprocessor that controls them.
They strobe the (closed) eye and send sound pulses in sync with the flashing
LEDs. I understand that these devices are experimental, but they are available.
I've heard claims that they can induce sleep, and light trance states for
relaxation. Essentially they are supposed to work without aid of drugs etc...
I would think that if they work as reported they would be incredibly useful,
The few sources I've seen are biased (they are selling the things, and a
friend who has tried them claims that "every home should have one"). So
do these mind machines (aka Light and Sound machines) work? can they induce
alpha, theta, and/or delta waves in a person wearing them? What research if
any has been done on them? Could they be used in lieu of a tranquilizer?
Or are they just another bit of quackery?
Web Homer
homer@tripos.com
| 13sci.med |
I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines
are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart
hardware?)
Assume the ton of smart hardware. It doesn't really have to be that smart.
G
| 11sci.crypt |
One thing that I haven't seen in this thread is a discussion of the
relation between IBD inflammation and the profile of ingested fatty
acids (FAs).
I was diagnosed last May w/Crohn's of the terminal ileum. When I got
out of the hospital I read up on it a bit, and came across several
studies investigating the role of EPA (an essentially FA) in reducing
inflammation. The evidence was mixed. [Many of these studies are
discussed in "Inflammatory Bowel Disease," MacDermott, Stenson. 1992.]
But if I recall correctly, there were some methodological bones to be
picked with the studies (both the ones w/pos. and w/neg. results). In
the studies patients were given EPA (a few grams/day for most of the
studies), but, if I recall correctly, there was no restriction of the
_other_ FAs that the patients could consume. From the informed
layperson's perspective, this seems mistaken. If lots of n-6 FAs are
consumed along with the EPA, then the ratio of "bad" prostanoid
products to "good" prostanoid products could still be fairly "bad."
Isn't this ratio the issue?
What's the view of the gastro. community on EPA these days? EPA
supplements, along with a fairly severe restriction of other FAs
appear to have helped me significantly (though it could just be the
low absolute amount of fat I eat -- 8-10% calories).
-Brian <bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu>
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr13.162304.16721@lds.loral.com>, kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall 6842) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr5.164728.10847@dazixco.ingr.com> crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com writes:
|> >
|> >THE ARMED CITIZEN
|> >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|> >Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents
|> >crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The
|> >Armed Citizen.
|>
|> Perhaps so, but note that of the accounts cited, there was only
|> one in which no shot was fired. Of the other twelve, five
|> described cases in which the assailant was wounded by a shot,
|> and six described cases in which the assailant was killed by a
|> shot.
And, had not these citizens accepted the moral responsibility to
protect their own lives, there could well have been at least
13 innocent victims lying dead and several criminals still out
walking the streets perpetrating their crimes on others.
--
**************************************************************
* Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com *
* Senior Customer Engineer *
* Intergraph Electronics *
* 381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 *
* Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 *
**************************************************************
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I am looking for recommendations for a good (great?) Alfa Romeo
mechanic in South Jersey or Philadelphia or nearby.
I have a '78 Alfa Spider that needs some engine, tranny, steering work
done. The body is in quite good shape. The car is awful in cold
weather, won't start if below freezing (I know, I know, why drive a
Spider if there's snow on the ground ...). It has Bosch *mechanical*
fuel injection that I am sure needs adjustment.
Any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call.
Email or post (to rec.autos), I will summarize if people want.
Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
| 7rec.autos |
The FLYERS closed out the season last night with their 8th straight victory,
a 5-4 OT winner over the Hartford Whalers. The OT game winner came from Dimitri
Yushkevich, just his 5th of the season and his first game winner. The FLYERS
never led up until that point in the game. For the Whalers, the loss marked an
NHL record 9th OT loss this season.
Roster move:
Gord Hynes was called to to play in place of Ryan McGill
Injuries:
Ryan McGill injured his hand in a fight 4/15 and was scratched.
Lines:
Eklund-Lindros-Recchi
Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen
Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy
Faust-Acton-Brown
Galley-Bowen
Yushkevich-Hawgood
Carkner-Hynes
Dominic Roussel
Game Summary:
I didn't get TV coverage of the game, and since it was stormy in these parts
I didn't have the best radio coverage either. Here's the box score followed by
a few things I did pick up:
First Period:
Hartford, Nylander 10, 8:51
Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour), 19:59.8 (pp)
Penalties - Verbeek, Har (holding), :55; Carkner, Phi (roughing), 13:53; Houda,
Har (interference) 18:43
Second Period:
Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron), 2:00
Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi), 7:09
Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson), 9:38
Penalties - Galley, Phi, major-game misconduct (spearing) :58; Verbeek, Har
major-game misconduct (spearing), :58; Brown, Phi (tripping), 3:22; Zalapski,
Har (tripping), 15:51; Brind'Amour, Phi (slashing), 19:50
Third Period:
Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels), 1:24 (pp)
Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich), 3:11
Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel), 3:38
Penalties - Houda, Har (tripping), 4:20; Hawgood, Phi (holding), 5:30
Overtime:
Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust), 1:15.
Penalties - None
Power Play:
Philadelphia 1 of 4, Hartford 1 of 4
Goalies:
Philadelphia, Roussel 14-11-5 (30 shots - 26 saves)
Hartford, Lenarduzzi, 1-1-1 (38 - 33)
On the first Hartford goal, Gord Hynes misplayed the puck at the FLYERS blue
line and Nylander stripped him and took off.
The Recchi goal was a 2 on 1 with Lindros.
The Bowen goal was just a puck he threw at the net, got a good carom and it
ended up behind the goalie.
On the second Nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in.
This is the most frustrating part of the FLYERS defense. Take the body, and if
they get one shot and beat you fine. Don't give them another chance. Carkner,
Galley and McGill are all terrible about this, I'll bet money at least one of
them was the closest FLYER to the play.
That's all I have, my radio got bad after that and I was lucky to know who it
was that scored, much less how.
From what I heard, Roussel had a very strong game. After the game, Gene Hart
asked Bobby Taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the
game. It was Garry Galley #3 for his career high point total (I'm surprised
that a former goalie wouldn't look closer at his defensive play), Tommy
Soderstrom #2 for his team record tying 5 shutouts in only about 1/2 a season
and, Mark Recchi #1 for his all time high team single season scoring mark.
But here's the odd part. He couldn't decide between Lindros and Recchi for
number 1. If he picks Recchi as #1 after he had a hard time choosing between
him and Lindros, doesn't that make Lindros #2????
What? You wanna know my three stars of the season? Well, since you asked...
#1 Eric Lindros. Eric dominates a game simply by stepping out onto the ice.
The difference between the team's record with him and without him is no
accident. I believe that the team could have been almost as successful without
Recchi. There is no question that this team is significantly better with Eric
Lindros on it, and I think that he will deservedly wear the 'C' on his jersey
next season.
#2 Tommy Soderstrom. 5 shutouts was second in the league to only Ed Belfour,
and Tommy didn't have a Chris Chelios (booo) in front of him. He also didn't
play a complete season due to heart problems (sentimental edge here, my family
has a history of heart problems). There's no question in my mind that Tommy
Soderstrom is this teams goalie of the future, and if Roussel complains again
about being number 2 look for him to be traded within 2 years.
#3 Mark Recchi. Again, you can't argue with an all-time team high single season
scoring mark. There are an awful lot of teams that didn't have a single player
get as many points. Plus, Mark is the only FLYER to play the entire season.
Not a tough choice.
Honorable mentions: Rod Brind'Amour topped his single season high point total
which he set last year. The difference was that he wasn't on the top line
this year and didn't get as much playing time. Then again, he didn't get the
defensive attention that he got last year from the other team either.
Dimtri Yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman. Yes, he made rookie
mistakes, but he was usually fast enough to make up for them. I have a feeling
that with his shot he'll score a few more points next year without giving up
anything in his own zone, and I suspect that he'll be the teams top defenseman
in years to come.
Garry Galley was the team's point leader from defensemen. Again, there are some
things you just can't argue with. And he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome,
he certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game, and that was against his
wishes under doctors orders. But his defensive play often negates his offensive
contribution. A little more caution, and a little bit smarter in his own end
will make him a much more important part of the team next year.
Brent Fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total.
But consistency became a problem for him.
A couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members:
Tom Misnik, a member of the mailing list, would like to exchange E-mail
addresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer.
If you're interested, you can send him mail at:
att!ACR.ORG!TMISNIK
The FLYERS end the season 1 game below .500 in 5th place, their best winning
percentage since going .500 in 1988-89. 14-20-3 within the division (4th in
Patrick), 23-14-5 at home. They finished 17th overall, will draft 10th in
next years entry draft (Quebec had the 1st rounder, though). They scored as
many goals as they allowed, 319.
The 8 straight wins is the most since they won 13 in a row in 1985.
I will be sending out final stats as soon as I get the issue of the Hockey
News that contains them, since there are no more games for me to go to I have
no other way of getting them.
I hope you've all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as I have. Knowing
the future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time
almost bearable.
FLYERS team record watch:
Eric Lindros:
41 goals, 34 assists, 75 points
(rookie records)
club record goals: club record points:
Eric Lindros 40 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84
Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80
Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Eric Lindros 75 1992-93
Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82
Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86
Mark Recchi:
53 goals, 70 assists, 123 points.
club record goals: club record points:
Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Mark Recchi 123 1992-93*
Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76
Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75
Mark Recchi 53 1992-93* Bill Barber 112 1975-76
Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73
Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73
Reggie Leach 50 1979-80
*More than 80 games.
FLYERS career years:
Player Points Best Prior Season
Mark Recchi 123 113 (90-91 Penguins)
Rod Brind'Amour 86 77 (91-92 FLYERS)
Garry Galley 62 38 (84-85 Kings)
Brent Fedyk 59 35 (90-91 Red Wings)
That's all for now...
pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In a previous article, randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) says:
>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged
>couple become "married" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have
>publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and
>are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective
>qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight.
I have discussed this with my girlfriend often. I consider myself married,
though legally I am not. Neither of us have been with other people sexually,
although we have been with each other. We did not have sexual relations
until we decided to marry eventually. For financial and distance reasons,
we will not be legally married for another year and a half. Until then,
I consider myself married for life in God's eyes. I have faith that we
have a strong relationship, and have had for over 4 years, and will be
full of joy when we marry in a church. First, however, we must find a
church( we will be living in a new area when we marry, and will need to
find a new church community).
Anyway, I feel that if two people commit to marriage before God, they are
married and are bound by that commitment.
--
-Rick Szanto
-Polk Speakers Rock -Computer Engineer
-Mac's Suck (Nothing Personal) -Case Western
-Zeta Psi Rules -Reserve University
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr14.030334.8650@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
> In article <1993Apr11.145519.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>>
>>There's a way around that via the hadith, which state that silence is
>>taken to mean "yes" and that women may not speak before a judge, who
>>must conduct the marriage.
>
> Actaully, that's a false hadith, because it contradicts verses in the
> Quran, that says women may testify- speak before a judge.
>
> Hadiths are declared false when they contradict the Quran. Hadiths
> weren't written during the revelation or during the life of the prophet,
> and so may contain errors.
So the only way you can tell a false hadith from a true one is
if it contradicts the Quran? What if it relates to something
that isn't explicitly spelled out in the Quran?
Also, the Quran wasn't written down during the life of Muhammed
either. It wasn't long after, but 20 years or so is still long
enough to shift a few verses around.
Karl
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| of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be." |
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| 0alt.atheism |
I have been looking over the postings about the Clipper Chip and noticed
an interesting omission from the discussion.
You all mention that the algorithm is classified and have expressed
concerns and ideas of how to figure out the algorithm using software.
The question that I have is why cant someone take one of these chips
and reverse engineer it? I mean, take the thing to a chip testing/
analysis facility, one with a decent electron microscope. Just pry
off the top of the chip and start scanning it with the electron
microcope and figure out the circuitry. I remembered a place that I use
to work for had one of these facilities that they used to analyze chips
that we accidently blew out while running tests. They could actually find
the area that was fried and show us where in the circuit it was.
I am sure that many companies and universities must have these facilities
and that the potential is there, especially at a university where the
security at such a facility is looser, for someone to take a clipper
apart and analyze it?
What can the government do to prevent this? Start taking away all
microchip analysis facilities and electron microscopes??
mark
| 11sci.crypt |
Hi
Could someone please send me enough info to talk to a MK3801? It's some
kind of multifunction peripheral chip made by Mostek I believe. Any help
would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks in advance
Dave
--
============================================================================
ddexter@solaria.mil.wi.us technology thru broken parts
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C6y2Mz.Dnp@news.claremont.edu> tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ted) writes:
>In article <timbolC6y1B4.7n0@netcom.com> timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol) writes:
>>>>Anyway, how about this: I give you my word, without naming sources, that IBM
>>>>paid companies to write applications for OS/2. Satisfied?
>>>
>>>Not really. Query: What do you mean by PAID? Are you implying that helped to
>>>offset development costs, or paid for the entire cost of producing the product.
>>
>>I mean they paid the companies that developed the applications (i.e. "We'll
>>give you x million dollars if you port application y to OS/2"). I suppose
>>the company in question could use the x million dollars for whatever they
>>want.
>
>Would you like to post figures?
>(for MS as well, I suppose).
>
>Ted
No, I'd rather not. First of all, I don't have exact figures, and I don't
want to disclose how I know this. However, I will say that Jim Francis
from Microsoft just posted a figure of $26 million (payment from IBM to
Borland) and that's somewhere in the range that I've heard.
- Mike
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <o4fzrApDBh107h@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca> aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>We have heard many bad things about the ATI Ultra Plus card (mainly having
>to do with its buggy Windows drivers).
>
>I would like to replace by ATI Graphics Ultra with a true-colour accelerated
>card. I was about to buy the ATI Ultra Plus (EISA) but it has had so much
>bad press that I am reconsidering.
>
>
>I would like an accelerated card
> a card that does 24bit true colour at 800x600 at least
> a card that does 1024x758 at 256 colours (or more)
> a card that has fast polygon fills
> a card that has fast bit blits
> a card that has a robust windows driver
> a card that has high speed non-interlaced refresh
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>My app requires lots of 3d poly grahics and complexing true colour
>imaging. I would sure like a faster solution that what I have now.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Al
>
>--
>Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655
>aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew
I had enough problems with my ISA bus Ultra Plus that I finally returned it,
but many of the people I spoke to through the net were happy with the EISA
version of the Ultra Pro. I kind of suspect the MACH32 chip was designed
with a 32-bit external bus in mind and the ISA version is kind of a hack, but
that's just a guess.
--
David Farley The University of Chicago Library
312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210
dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637
| 1comp.graphics |
Actually, the "ether" stuff sounded a fair bit like a bizzare,
qualitative corruption of general relativity. nothing to do with
the old-fashioned, ether, though. maybe somebody could loan him
a GR text at a low level.
didn't get much further than that, tho.... whew.
greg
| 14sci.space |
In article <vzhivov.735059801@cunews>, vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir
Zhivov) says:
>
>In <93107.091503RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>2-Red Wings vs. 3-Maple Leafs Maple Leafs in 6
>
>> Comment : It's kind of tough to rely on Yzerman as the team's main weapon.
>> He's a great palyer, but Dino knows all about choking, which
>> puts the burden on Steve even more. Potvin's had a hell of a
>> season and goaltending is what you need in the playoffs.
>
>For a great prognosticator:), you seem to remember very little playoff
>history. Dino always shows up in the playoffs, which is why he is a
>great "sleeper" pick in pools. Don't forget about Fedorov, one of the
>top players in the NHL, IMHO, and Coffey who has the most Stanley Cup
>rings of any active players (correct me if I'm wrong). Wings in a
>cakewalk.
Oh yeah, how come Dino could never take the Caps out of the Patrick
Division? He choked up 3 games to 1 last year and got swept away in
the second round two years ago. He rarely, if ever, makes it out of the
division.
>>1-Canucks vs. 4-Jets Canucks in 5
>
>> Comment : It's more like Vancouver vs. Selanne. King and Domi (for
>> enforcing) help Winnipeg out a little, maybe a game. Canucks
>> have their number.
>
>Except that the Canuck are playing like shit. Winnipeg can win this
>one, though I think Vancouver will manage to slip by.
So are the Islanders, but they can still pull it out. Vancouver has Winnipeg's
number, so it really doesn't matter.
>>2-Flames vs. 3-Kings Flames in 7
>
>> Comment : 7 games looks good as the Kings always seem to battle it out.
>> Flames are back in running and won't know memories of last year's
>> season. Gretzky is on a tear, but there are too many ?????
>> surrounding the Kings.
>Kings "always seem to battle it out"? When? Where?
Kings always seem to go at least 6 or 7, they never play a four or five
game serious. There's a difference between battling it out and pulling it
out, as I take Calgary to pull it out in 7.
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** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! "We do what comes naturally!
Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the
PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a
Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance..."-DG '89
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
.
Of some relevance to the posts on this subject might be Deut.23:2,
"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord;
even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the
congregation of the Lord."
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <healta.153.735242337@saturn.wwc.edu>, healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes:
>
>
> #12) The 2 cheribums are on the Ark of the Covenant. When God said make no
> graven image, he was refering to idols, which were created to be worshipped.
> The Ark of the Covenant wasn't wrodhipped and only the high priest could
> enter the Holy of Holies where it was kept once a year, on the Day of
> Atonement.
I am not familiar with, or knowledgeable about the original language,
but I believe there is a word for "idol" and that the translator
would have used the word "idol" instead of "graven image" had
the original said "idol." So I think you're wrong here, but
then again I could be too. I just suggesting a way to determine
whether the interpretation you offer is correct.
Dean Kaflowitz
| 0alt.atheism |
I have tried almost everything under the sun to get a null modem connection
between a Mac Duo 210 and a PC. I have used MacKermit and VersaTerm on
the Mac side. I have used Procomm, Kermit, and Softerm (on OS/2) on
the PC (or PS) side. I have used non-Hardware handshaking and hardware
ahdshaking cables. And know MY hands are shaking from the effort. Nothing
has allowed file transfers from the Mac to the PS.
In general, I can type back and forth with no trouble, but only if both sides
are set to speeds OVER 9600 baud. I cannot send files from the Mac to the
PS at all, and file transfers from the Duo to the PS are not possible.
When I do a straight ascii send, I can send from the PS to the Duo flawlessly.
I can send Binhex files this way quite fast, and I know that the
transmission is error free.
But straight ascii sent from the Mac to the PS is full of errors.
Unless, of course, I do text pacing so slow that it is like human
typing. (well, like 2-3 times faster than human typing).
I would like to hear from ANYONE who has been able to transfer files
from a Duo 210 to a PS via modem or null modem. If you can do it, please
tell me your EXACT combination of hardware and software. Obviously, I am
talking of a true serial port modem, not the express modem. Maybe some
kind soul with access to a modem and a Duo 210 can check this out for me.
Right now, I am of the opinion that it won't work at high speeds because
of the power interrupts on the Duo, and it won't work at low speeds
because of some crazy reason I don't understand.
Could I hear from someone attesting that they can really pump information
out the serial port of a Duo 210 fast? Like via a modem or via a
sys-ex dump?
Could anyone with a Duo help me out?? I am going absolutely INSANE.
I wanna know if the problem is MY Duo, or all Duo 210s, or all Duos,
or just me.
Yes, I have checked the cable 1,000,000 times. And not only can I type
back and forth, but Zterm alerts the users if s/he uses hardware handshaking
and CTS is down. So I know that hardware handshaking is working. And also,
According to Zterm port stats, the buffer never overflows.
Please help me figure out what's going on...
Scott Petrack
Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <rjnC5sxMG.JqH@netcom.com>, rjn@netcom.com (Richard Newton II) writes...
>In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes:
>>In article <C5Csux.Fn1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei
>>nz) writes:
>>>After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real
>>>job. Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra
>>>money. Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty &
>>>I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around
>>>$20k on a sports car of some kind. After thinking about it, I may have a
>>>better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've
>>>always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+
>>>$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway.
>>>
>>>Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k.
>>>My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks,
>>>horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main
>>>concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are
>>>good prices?
>>>
'63 to '82 vettes had the same basic chassis. 1980 add aluminum (weaker)
rear 'axle' housing. All these years used same brakes, similar springs etc
Late 70's was a bad year for GM reliability. Catastrophic converter was
added in 1975.
Cheapest corvette '78 to '79 low end about 4k tops out about $12k except
for those morooons that think there '78 indy / 25th aniversity vette is
special. These guys have been known to ask 25K. I don't think they get it
.
Best buy: convertables 69 - 74. I got my 69 for 5K - needs body work but
I'm willing.
Parts for all are readily avail at swap meets and mail order etc.
V-8 reliability / looks / independant suspension / 4 wheel disk and all
under 10K. And they thought a miata was a good deal.
>>>Also, what would insurance look like? I'm male, single, 23 (I might
>>>wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that
>>>I mainly drive the other car lower it? Is there some type of "classic
>>>car" or "rarely driven" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles
>>>per year?
>>>
>> My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'.
>> Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving
>> time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would
>> probably suit your needs for limited mileage.
My origional inquires to my insurance agent: I can drive my '69 convertable
for 3000 miles or less per year, I must keep it in a locked garage and it
will cost me 2% of the stated value per year (does this sound right?).
>
>I've also been looking at vettes recently, and found a '67 convertible
>that I like at a dealer. I currently own an '88 Ford Escort GT, which
>is insured through State Farm. I called em up, and asked about the rates:
>
>If I sell the escort, the vette insurance is $401.16 per 6 months.
>
>If I keep the escort, the vette insurance is $308.82 per 6 months. The
>escort's insurance goes down by 10%, to approx $320 per 6 months.
>
>I'm 28, male, and have a "good driver" discount. Another variable would
>be where you live. Best bet is to just call up some insurance brokers,
>and get a quote.
>
>State Farm says they base the price on the "fair market value" of the car,
>which is determined by an outside apprasier. They look in the newspaper,
>and call up dealers to find out what the going rate is, and adjust it for
>the condition of the car.
>
>To get the values above, they went on the selling price of the car. The
>dealer's asking price is $21,900; I need to do research to find out if
>this is reasonable. In any case, I told State Farm the value was $20k.
Get an appraiser to look at the car. He will check serial numbers and look
for origional equipe. Depending on what mods have been done the car could
be worth only 10K. Problems like wrong engine / trans. Wrong paint type (
vetts used lacquer) An modification would reduce tthe value. But your
looking for a car to drive right?
This sounds like a ball park price for a small-block (327 cu in.) / manual
/ no air car. A 427 would put it closer to $30K.
Get it appraised!!! For insurance purposes also.
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr20.085638.29338@news.uit.no> sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) writes:
>I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows.
>
>Do I find it on any FTP host?
>
>Svein
>
In Windows 3.0 there is a built-in called sysedit.exe that is just what you
need. Windows 3.1 I don't know......
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) writes:
>In article <C5ro4H.Lww@world.std.com> jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard) writes:
>> Before folks jump on me, let me ask the net - would the Jays
>> have won the AL with a good pitcher from AAA in place of Morris (given
>> his run support)? How about an average ML pitcher? I can't believe
>> that Morris' performance in the playoffs and series had a large positive
>> impact on the Jays performance ...
>I know it's very trendy nowadays to dump on Morris, but let's give credit
>where credit is due.
>It is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the AL east without Morris.
>Last year, when the team went 13-15 for the month of August, and all the
>other starters were being shelled, and Milwaukee was making a charge,
>Morris went 5-1 with a pretty good era (I can't remember exactly).
>Also, let's not underestimate the importance his 240+ innings to save
>the bullpen every fifth day. If he didn't help us win the AL east, forget
>about the pennent and the world series.
A guy who threw 240 innings with about .6 run lower ERA would have saved the
bullpen even more. Say, somebody like Frank Viola (238 innings).
>His run support was high (5.98 runs) but so was Stottlemyer's (5.90 runs)
>and he won only 12 games. I do remember Morris winning an inordinate number of
>6-5 and 8-6 ballgames, but this is to his credit. He pitched only as good
>as he needed to be. When he was up 6-1 in a ballgame, he just put it in cruise
>control and threw the ball up there and let the batters "get themseleves out"
>(I hate this expression!). An inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out
>trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down. But Morris, being a
>veteran pitcher, knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in
>baseball. By saving himself, he was able to reach back for that little extra
>(I hate this too!) when the game was on the line.
Nice audition tape. Send it to:
Baseball Tonight
ATTN: Ray Knight
ESPN
Bristol, CT
Have you, by chance, taken a look at the boxscores from last year to
determine the accuracy of your account? I seem to recall Morris getting at
least 3 or 4 wins last year when the Jays came back from behind after they
had decided to pull Morris at the end of an inning.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Dictionaries are merely checkpoint records of linguistic history.
- Truly Donovan
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.books ]
[ Author was Mark Wilson ]
[ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:55:55 GMT ]
I am looking for the following book, which I have
only seen as a paperback (I lent my copy to someone,
and forgetfulness has made that pronoun PERMANENTLY
indeterminate!). I am looking for one OR two copies!
Title: The Nine-Mile Walk and Other Stories
(unsure about the hyphen and the exact subtitle)
Author: Harry Kemelman (author of all the "Rabbi" mysteries)
It's a collection of short mystery stories. Please email
mark@ocsmd.ocs.com OR call the 800 number given below.
Thanks!
- Mark
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(Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....)
This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it!
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| 6misc.forsale |
{Gladman Aviv} said
"Re: Blue LED's"
to <All> on 04-24-93 01:51
GA> In order to emit blue light, a semiconductor must have a band gap
GA> energy within the region of 2.6 to 2.8 electron Volts. According to my
GA> physical electronics prof, you can't get an LED with that band gap.
GA> That's why you don't find blue LEDs or, for that matter, some other
GA> colour of LEDs. That is not to say that blue LEDs can't be found. I've
GA> seen 'blue' LEDs sold, but they were just your typical visible light
GA> LED in a blue plastic covering. They didn't emit very much light...
This is not true they have and do make blue LED's they are
about 2.80 in digikey. 470nm wavelength by the way
Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US
Mangled on Sun 04-25-1993 at 13:33:46
... "I think 640K will be enough.." -Bill Gates 1981
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993May16.145159.3100@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
In article <1t4pkc$ovf@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>If this idea goes through, it's the thin end of the wedge. Soon
>companies will be doing larger, and more permanant, billboards in the
>sky. I wouldn't want a world a few decades from now when the sky
>looks like Las Vegas. That would _really_ make me sad.
Think for a moment about the technology required to do that. By
the time they could make the Earth's sky look like Las Vegas,
the people could afford to go backpacking on the Moon. Round
trip costs for 500 kg to the Moon would be about the same as
5000 kg in a Low Earth "advertising" orbit: Very roughly the
same cost as a smallish billboard, therefore. If such ads were
to become common place, that would have to be a very low price...
This is nonsense. Its like saying that by the time commercials
on television become commonplace every citizen will have their own
hour long nationally broadcast TV program.
There's always been a problem of having to get
away from civilization before you can really find "natural"
scenery. 100 years ago, this usually didn't take a trip
of over 5 miles. Today, most people would have to go 100 miles
or more. If we ever get to the point where we have billboards
on orbit, that essentially means that no place on Earth is still
"wild." While that may or may not be a good thing, the orbital
billboards aren't the problem: They are just a symptom of
growing, densely-populated civilization. Banning such ads will
not save your view of the night sky, because by the time
such ads could become widespread you will probably have trouble
finding a place without street lights, where you can _see_
the stars...
The rest of your post is strange mishmash of "its already really bad"
and "it doesn't really matter if it gets worse." You should try to
figure out what you are really arguing for. (Kneejerk anti-environ-
mentalism?)
-david
P.S. A passing sattelite does not have the same effect on visible
light astronomy as an object as bright as the full moon.
| 14sci.space |
I have a Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250 tape backup unit in my Gateway
486/33V Tower system. I have found the supplied backup capability to be
fairly unreliable. In approx 3 cases out of 10, I have had the backup fail
at one point or another, often hanging in the middle of writing the tape.
Seek errors, drive communication errors seem to be most common. I use the
DOS backup software from Colorado Memory Systems. Should I return the drive,
get some better backup software, reformat the tapes (am using CMS tapes)?
Any hints would be appreciated - this stuff is to time-consuming to do over
and over again until it cooperates...
Steve Norman
snorman@den.mmc.com
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <C513wJ.75y@encore.com> rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>|> In article <C50FnH.Cvo@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>|> > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format
>|> > so popular]
>|> >
>|> >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia:
>|>
>|> <looking around> Who? Where?
>|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other
>|> conservatives do as well.
>|>
>Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It
>makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and
>liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to
>health for another go around.
Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked
conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.' I suggest you
listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying
and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his
opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back.
Oh, BTW, Germany has sure come back as a terrible enemy after WWII,
hasn't it?
>
>It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with
>free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic
>competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying
>bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke.
Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those
nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not
be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if
they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large
parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot
imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear.
How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if
vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something.
A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is
bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the
humanitarian argument that democracies should help other
democracies (or struggling democracies).)
>
>I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing
>stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution
>was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate
>constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money
>from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously.
Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid.
My two "causes" are aid to Russia and a strong space program.
Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies
of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a
true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we
only have gridlock on a congressional scale.
BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who
want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of
thing I thought Libertarians were against.
Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue
and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems
that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and
let it sink or swim. We could do that 100 years ago but not now.
Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and
global decision making.
Julie
DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:
<If Clipper comes to cellular phones along with legal proscriptions against
<using other cipher systems on these phones, a new and potentially dangerous
<class of crime is created.
Aside from possession of "terrorist tools" (unapproved encryption devices
or programs)...
<Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications (specifically
<the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow cite as threats)
<will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a legitimate user, and
<to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery of compromise of the
<device will be delayed.
<
<Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate
<with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from
<key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other means.
<
<Because life-is-cheap criminals are currently willing to kill people to steal
<very large and conspicuous property (luxury cars), it is reasonable to assume
<that they will be willing to kill people to steal small and inconspicuous
<property (a cipher cellular phone). Just as we have seen in the past with
<"blue box" technology, and in the present with modified cellular phones,
<we can expect to see among high-stakes criminals a lucrative market for
<stolen cipher phones which can be used for a few days. The high-stakes
<criminals will pay the life-is-cheap types substantial amounts for stolen
<instruments.
<
<Because a person is typically discovered as missing or dead in a few days,
<a stolen instrument will be usable for only a few days. There will be a
<continuing demand for fresh phones: fresh bodies.
And since Clinton is also going full-bore to deny unconnected citizens
the means to defend themselves ("we will protect you ... 911 is good
enough for you...") by perverting or trashing the Second Amendment,
the targeted individuals will be GUARANTEED easy prey. What is a few
bodies compared to the "greater good" of the Fed being able to defeat
a citizen's security with impunity? You don't think there doesn't
exist a means by which the NSA can do their usual eavesdropping, scanning
for keywords, with OR WITHOUT a court order or any 'keys', do you?
If so, I got some great Florida real estate you might be interested in...
Perhaps the idea of escrowed keys is meant to divert the discussion to
how they will be safeguarded, and away from the basic fact that the
government is systematically taking away our right to privacy, to be
secure, for the means of self-defense, and just about every other right
spelled out in the Bill of Rights?
Nawwww - they are the GOVERNMENT! "Trust us..."
<In other words, Clipper and similar systems have the potential to turn a
<current inconvenience to law enforcement into a direct, vicious, and
<persistent threat to the general public.
What is more important to the government? Law Enforcement (people control)
or the safety of the general public? The gun control issue should answer
that one - look at how good that works in making cities safer: The places
that are the worst in that regard are also the places with the 'best' gun
control. Government is NOT about public good, it is about CONTROL.
Never forget that. Our Founding Fathers sure were concerned about it.
<
< [ ... remainder deleted ... ]
<
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
| 11sci.crypt |
I am in the process of modifying an X application that uses Xlib. I'd
like to include a timer-driven facility (for network polling), but cannot
see how to do it using Xlib. I know it can be done with Xaw, using
XtAppAddTimeout and XtTimerCallBackProc. How do I do the same using
Xlib?
Thanks for any help. Please email.
--
Dave Wilson
Computing Centre, Rhodes University
Grahamstown, South Africa
| 5comp.windows.x |
In <C5JAIw.2G0@voder.nsc.com> matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes:
>
>It is always cheaper to kill children than to take responsibility for
>them. Why stop at birth, why not fund infanticide up to age 2?
1. After birth, there are alternatives if the woman can't take
responsibility.
2. Killing children is illegal.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I had no possibility to join the
7th annual X Technical Conference
January 18-20 1993
Boston, MA
Nevertheless, I'm interested in information about the tutorials,
exspecially about
Tutorial ID: A-SECURITY
Title: A Survey of X and Security
Tutorial ID: F-ADMIN
Title: X and the Administrator
Does anybody know, where I can get information (paper/mail) about these ?
Has anybody information about Kerberos (escpecially in connection with
X Display Manager xdm)?
Thanks,
Andrea Winkler (Siemens Nixdorf Muenchen, Germany)
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In <sdennis.735423404@aa.cad.slb.com> sdennis@osf.org writes:
>I posted this a while ago and didn't receive one reply, and now we
>have another bug report on the same subject. Can anybody help me out?
The problem is that Motif uses XGrabKey to implement menu accelerators,
and these grabs are specific about which modifiers apply. Unfortunately,
the specification for XGrabKey doesn't allow AnyModifier to be combined
with other modifiers, which is exactly what would be desired in this case:
"Ctrl Any<Key>q".
>In ORA Vol. 6, in the section on accelerators it says "For information
>on how to specify translation tables see Vol. 4...", this is so you
>know what to put for the XmNaccelerator resource. If you go to
>Vol. 4 it says, "Likewise, if a modifier is specified, there is
>nothing to prohibit other modifiers from being present as well. For
>example, the translation:
> Shift<Key>q: quit()
>will take effect even if the Ctrl key is held down at the same time as
>the Shift key (and the q key).
This is true for accelerators and mnemonics, which are implemented using
event handlers instead of grabs; it's not true for menu accelerators. If
you're a Motif implementor, I'd suggest lobbying to get the Xlib semantics
changed to support the feature I described above. Otherwise, change the
documentation for menu accelerators to properly set the user's
expectations, because menu accelerators are NOT the same thing as
translations.
>Is it possible to supply > 1 accelerator for a menu entry?
If you mean "menu accelerator", no it's not possible. That's according to
the definition of the XmNaccelerator resource in the XmLabel manual page.
>Keep in mind when answering this question that when using Motif you
>can't use XtInstallAccelerators().
I can't think of a reason why not.
>How can you ensure that accelerators work the same independent of
>case? What I want is Ctrl+O and Ctrl+o to both be accelerators on one
>menu entry.
There is a workaround for Motif users. In addition to the normal menu
accelerator you install on the XmPushButton[Gadget], set an XtNaccelerators
resource on the shell (TopLevel or Application). Install the shell's
accelerators on itself and all of its descendants with
XtInstallAllAccelerators (shell, shell).
For example,
applicationShell - mainWindow - menuBar - fileCascade
-- filePulldown - openPushbutton
- exitPushbutton
*openPushbutton.accelerator = Ctrl<Key>O
*openPushbutton.acceleratorText = Ctrl+O
*exitPushbutton.accelerator = Ctrl<Key>Q
*exitPushbutton.acceleratorText = Ctrl+Q
*applicationShell.accelerators = #override\n\
Ctrl<Key>O: PerformAction(*openPushbutton, ArmAndActivate)\n\
Ctrl<Key>Q: PerformAction(*exitPushbutton, ArmAndActivate)
You have to write and add the application action PerformAction, which you
can implement by using XtNameToWidget on the first argument and then
XtCallActionProc with the rest of the arguments.
I tested out something similar to this. To shorten development time, I
used TeleUSE's TuNinstallAccelerators resource to install the accelerators
on the shell, and I directly invoked the Open and Quit D actions instead
of asking the pushbuttons to do it for me, but the more general approach I
described above should work.
-- Trevor Bourget (trevor@telesoft.com)
| 5comp.windows.x |
> Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible.
> Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will
> then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic
> engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want.
> No breeding, no "hybrids", etc. The ethical question is, should
> we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived,
> Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can.
Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and
re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless
cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY.
What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded
goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's
favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell-
check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling
VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS?
Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes,
but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes
which are the units of genetics.
We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies! Harmful
memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will
run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that
future technology has to offer.
For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions
against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at
CALGENE. This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid
Mary.
We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people
with harmful memes. They should not be allowed to infect other people
with their memes against genetically-engineered food, electromagnetic
fields, and the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters.
| 13sci.med |
mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>Keith Ryan writes:
>>
>>You will ignore any criticism of your logic, or any possible incongruenties
>>in your stance? You will not answer any questions on the validity of any
>>opinion and/or facts you state?
>When I have to start saying "that's not what I said", and the response is
>"did so!", there's no reason to continue. If someone is not going to argue
>with MY version of MY position, then they cannot be argued with.
But of course YOUR version of YOUR position has been included in the
Charley Challenges, so your claim above is a flat-out lie. Further,
only last week you claimed that you "might not" answer the Challenges
because you were turned off by "included text". So which is it, do
you want your context included in my articles or not? Come to think
of it, this contradiction has the makings of a new entry in the next
Challenges post.
By the way, I've kept every bloody thing that you've written related
to this thread, and will be only too pleased to re-post any of it to
back my position. You seem to have forgotten that you leave an
electronic paper trail on the net.
>>This is the usual theist approach. No matter how many times a certain
>>argument has been disproven, shown to be non-applicable or non-sequitur;
>>they keep cropping up- time after time.
>Speaking of non-sequiturs, this has little to do with what I just said. And
>have some sauce for the goose: some of the "disproof" is fallacies repeated
>over and over (such as the "law of nature" argument someone posted recently).
Now, now, let's not change the subject. Wouldn't it be best to finish
up the thread in question before you begin new ones?
--Dave Wood
| 0alt.atheism |
Martin John Gregory (mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au) wrote:
: I've started to look at some devices doing serial data transmission
: over fairly decent distances in fairly noisy environments, and have
: seen a variety of schemes for protecting the RS232 transceivers (and
: the rest of the circuit) from transients on the serial lines. I'm
: left wondering what is the best way of doing this? How necessary is
: it?
: [stuff deleted]
: What is the wisdom on this out there?
:
: Ta,
:
: Martin.
:
:
From what I know, protection is necessary, esp. if you plan to route
the cables into an unknown environment (out of your control). Things
like accidental shorts between the signal lines and power cables, or
even lightning strikes are very likely and I don't think you like to see
the sight of your computer going up in smoke! [Even ethernet cards are
protected. I've looked at the one in my PC and the connector is
protected by a gas discharge tube!]
{But if you plan to use the serial cables for internal routings (i.e. in
controlled environments), it should be reasonably safe not to have
them.}
Suggestion: look in the RS data book. They have several RS232
transceivers that have overvoltage protection. Among them include the
LT1080, LT1081 and MAX250 and MAX251. The Maxims are suppose to be
electrically isolated ones but still need opto-isolators to work (don't
ask me why. I've never used them before.
Another alternative is an RS232 surge protector. Two are listed in the
RS catalogue. If you need additional info (i.e. stock nos.), just e-mail
me.
Soh Kam Yung,
engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg
| 12sci.electronics |
Joel Hanes (jjh00@diag.amdahl.com) wrote:
: Mr Connor's assertion that "more complex" == later in paleontology
: is simply incorrect. Many lineages are known in which whole
: structures are lost -- for example, snakes have lost their legs.
: Cave fish have lost their eyes. Some species have almost completely
: lost their males. Kiwis are descended from birds with functional
: wings.
Joel,
The statements I made were illustrative of the inescapably
anthrpomorphic quality of any desciption of an evolutionary process.
There is no way evolution can be described or explained in terms other
than teleological, that is my whole point. Even those who have reason
to believe they understand evolution (biologists for instance) tend to
personify nature and I can't help but wonder if it's because of the
limits of the language or the nature of nature.
Bill
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <19APR199319282297@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:
>>
>More likely than most places. When I was there the most "important"
>state issue was whether to have a state income tax or instead legalize
>a popular vice for fund raising, and vice won a decisive victory!
>
>>jsh
>
>Mr. Grinch
>
>p.s. Now that he's safely dead, I expect David Koresh to become the
>hero of popular folk ballads, and the ATF to be generally equated with
>Santa Anna
dead? I saw David Koresh at a local 7-11......
--
______________________________________________________________________________
John Paul Morrison |
University of British Columbia, Canada | Hey hey!! Ho ho!!
Electrical Engineering | Tax & spend liberals
jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca VE7JPM | have got to go!!
________________________________________|____________________________________
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says:
>I worked at AMORC when I was in HS.
OK: So you were a naive teen.
>He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's.
Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909.
But he was born LAST century (1883).
>
>Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil.
No it isn't.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <4963@eastman.UUCP>, dps@nasa.kodak.com (Dan Schaertel,,,) writes:
> In article 21627@ousrvr.oulu.fi, kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes:
> |>Dan Schaertel,,, (dps@nasa.kodak.com) wrote:
> |>
> |>
> |>I love god just as much as she loves me. If she wants to seduce me,
> |>she'll know what to do.
> |>
>
> But if He/She did you would probably consider it rape.
Probably because it IS rape.
>
> |>: Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see
> |>: that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic".
> |>: Our ability to reason is just a spec of creation. Yet some think it is
> |>: the ultimate. If you rely simply on your reason then you will never
> |>: know more than you do now.
> |>
> |>Your argument is of the type "you'll know once you try".
> |>Yet there are many atheists who have sincerely tried, and believed
> |>for many years, but were eventually honest enough to admit that
> |>they had lived in a virtual reality.
> |>
>
> Obviously there are many Christians who have tried and do believe. So .. ?
So nothing. It may work for some, but not for others: it doesn't give any
insight into an overall God or overall truth of a religion- it would seem to be
dependent solely on the individual, as well as individually-created. And since
Christians have failed to show us how there way of life is in any wy better
than ours, I do not see why the attempt to try it is necessary, or even
particularly attractive.
>
> |>: To learn you must accept that which you don't know.
> |>
> |>What does this mean? To learn you must accept that you don't know
> |>something, right-o. But to learn you must _accept_ something I don't
> |>know, why? This is not the way I prefer to learn. It is unwise to
> |>merely swallow everything you read. Suppose I write a book telling
> |>how the Great Invisible Pink Unicorn (tm) has helped me in my
> |>daily problems, would you accept this, since you can't know whether
> |>it is true or not?
> |>
>
> No one asks you to swallow everything, in fact Jesus warns against it. But let
> me ask you a question. Do you beleive what you learn in history class, or for
> that matter anything in school. I mean it's just what other people have told
> you and you don't want to swallow what others say. right ... ?
Well, we will nerver know for sure if we were told the truth or not, but at the
very least there is a bit more evidence pointing to the fact that, say, there
was a military conflict in Vietnam 25 years ago, then there is a supernatural
diety who wants us to live a certain way. The fact that Jesus warned against
it means nothing. *I* warn against it too. Big deal.
>
> The life , death, and resurection of Christ is documented historical fact.
This is not true. The first two choices here (life and death) are scantily
documented, and the last one is total malarky unless one uses the Bible, and
that is totally circular. Perhaps it be better to use the imagination, or
one's ignorance. Someone else will address this I'm sure, and refer you to
plenty of documentation...
>As much
> as anything else you learn. How do you choose what to believe and what not to?
> I could argue that George Washington is a myth. He never lived because I don't
> have any proof except what I am told. However all the major events of the life
> of Jesus Christ were fortold hundreds of years before him. Neat trick uh?
How is this? There is nothing more disgusting than Christian attempts to
manipulate/interpret the Old Testament as being filled with signs for the
coming of Christ. Every little reference to a stick or bit of wood is
autmoatically interpreted as the Cross. What a miscarriage of philology.
>
> There is no way to get into a sceptical heart. You can not say you have given a
> sincere effort with the attitude you seem to have. You must TRUST, not just go
> to church and participate in it's activities. Were you ever willing to die for what
> you believed?
Well, since we have skeptical hearts (thank goodness,) there is no way to get
into us. Here we have the irreconcilable difference: Christians glorify
exactly what we tend to despise or snub: trust/belief/faith without knowledge.
If I am lucky one day and I happen to be thinking of God at the same time my
enkephalins go up, then I may associate this as a sign of God (it will "feel"
right, and I will trust without knowing). Maybe. Religosity does not seem to
be anything that is conclusively arrived at, but rather it seems to be more of
a sudden affliction...
I believe many of us were willing to die for what we believed, many of us were
not. The question is, is suchg an attitude reflective of a _correct_ or
healthy morality. IT would seem not to be. The same thing could reflect
fanaticism, for example, and is any case an expression of simple selfishness.
--
--Adam
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| (612) 696-7521 | who thought themselves good simply because |
| acooper@macalstr.edu | they had no claws." |
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| 0alt.atheism |
mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) writes:
>In <C5t3B2.DG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>>>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>>>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model?
>>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My
>>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine
>>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>>>>I am quite interested in it.
>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>Darren Gibbons
>>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>>>>
>>>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
>>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
>>>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
>>>Craig
>> I think the Manta is the European name for the "GT." I'm pretty sure
>>that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the
>>GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta.
>>--
>>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
>Bzzt.
>The manta was a two-door sedan in the US.
>It had a 1900 engine.
>Was sometimes referred to as an Opel 1900.
>Manta's are also ve hot and fun cars too.
>| |\/| __ -=> mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu <=- (mliggett@iugold.bitnet |
>* | |/\|| 'junk' collector, toys R us kid, antiauthoritarian, and fan of *
>| frogs, iguanas, and other herps. |
Funny, the Manta's over in Europe look surprisingly like the Opel
alluded to by the original poster.
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
| 7rec.autos |
In article <Apr16.043426.69352@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>United States TV Schedule:
>April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone)
>April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones)
>April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone)
>April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN
>April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN
>April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN
>
A little supplement Basic Mike's info :
For Sundday's opener on ABC, these are the announcing crews :
Devils/Isles at Pittsburgh - Gary Thorne(play-by-play),Bill Clement(color)
and Al Morganti roaming the halls outside the dressing rooms.
This telecast will primarily seen on the East Coast.
St.Louis at Chicago - Mike Emrick(play - by play),Jim Schoendfeld(color)
and Tom Mees roaming the halls.
This telecast will primarily be seen in the Midwest and parts of the South.
LA at Calgary - Al "Do You Believe in Mircales?" Michaels(play by play),
John Davidson(color) and Mark Jones as a roaming reporter.
This telecast will be seen in the Western USA.
Montreal's naitive,Jon Saunders will be hosting in the studio.
ABC will do "Up and Close and Personal" with Mario during Saturday's
Wide World of Sports(4:30EDT).
Sunday will be the first NHL playoff or regular network telecast in 13 years...
not counting those silly All-Star games on NBC for the last few years...
For Sunday's games,ABC will use 8 mikes(2 behind on the goal),super-super-slo-mo,
close-ups of player's faces at face-offs. ESPN/ABC will not be able to
use its new favorite toy,the ice-level shot, in Pittsburgh where too many
seats would have to removed to employ it...
In case of a blowout in progress in Pittsburgh,ABC will switch to Chicago
game but will come back to the Pittsburgh game for updates or if the game
gets closer(Ha!)..
ABC expects huge ratings(by hockey standards) since all 3 Top US TV-markets
are involved - NY metro area(NY Islanders/NJ Devils),Chicago(BlackHawks),
and LA(Kings).
Stay tuned,
Thanks Mike,
-PPV Mark
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1qegfd$dqi@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl> monty@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl (Guido Leenders) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Is it possible to use an ESDI-controller with HDD together with an
>IDE-harddisk + controller in one ISA-system?
>
>I've read stuff about secondary controllers. Does this trick work?
>
>Thanx in advance,
>
>Guido
>monty@win.tue.nl
I have the same question as Guido. It is possible to use the ESDI drive as a master and the IDE drive as the slave ?
At the moment , I have been using the ESDI drive and recently I bought a IDE drive to use as the 2nd drive .
The person in the computer shop told me that it is not possible to run 2 disk controller cards together on the same motherboard ( ESDI AND IDE ) but I think there might be some way of making them work. Can anybody enlighten me on this?
And it is possible to run a ESDI HDD using a IDE controller? or vice versa?
Can anybody please help me out on this?
Your help will be very much appreciated.
G.Chow
els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au
els390r@mdw013.cc.monash.edu.au
gtchow@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
The rubber drain plugs under my carpet in my mazda glc leaked
like the ones are doing under your spare in the Probe.
I tooke them out and put some silicone sealant on them
and put them back in.
| 7rec.autos |
I need to get the specs, or at least a very verbose interpretation of the
specs, for QuickTime. Technical articles from magazines and references to
books would be nice too.
I also need the specs in a format usable on a Unix or MS-DOS system. I can't
do much with the QuickTime stuff they have on ftp.apple.com in its present
format.
Thanks in advance.
James D. Murray
add@sciences.sdsu.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
I am trying to follow the current conflict in former Yugoslavia. One thing
I cannot figure out is where do the Serbs and Croats get their weapons,
etc? Don't they run out of them?
ram
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes
> Sam Zbib Writes
>>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.
>>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about
>>anti-trust in the business world.
>>
>>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial
>>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines
>>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says
>>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of
>>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those
>>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so
>>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,
>>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some
>>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.
>They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.
>>
>>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the
>>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /
>>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours
>>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair
>>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of
>>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist
>>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).
>>
>Right now, I'm just going to address this point.
>When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land,
>It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because,
>for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin),
>living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.
>The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of
>it. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no
>provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting
>them by selling the land right out from under them.
>They are to blame, not the Jews.
>
>
Amir:
Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was
it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the
fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of
any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews?
Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine
(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate
treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while
Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord
would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would
be motivated to sell, regardless of the price.
It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the
palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share
your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from
any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down?
All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The
question was whether the intent behind the purchase was
aimed at controlling the public assets (land,
infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds
to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court.
Sam
My opinions are my own and no one else's
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
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| 13sci.med |
This kind of argument cries for a comment...
jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com wrote:
: In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) writes:
Jim, you originally wrote:
: >>...God did not create
: >>disease nor is He responsible for the maladies of newborns.
: >
: >>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is
: >>mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of
: >>creationism vs evolutionism, God created the original genetic code
: >>perfect and without flaw.
: > ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~
Do you have any evidence for this? If the code was once perfect, and
has degraded ever since, we _should_ have some evidence in favour
of this statement, shouldn't we?
Perhaps the biggest "imperfection" of the code is that it is full
of non-coding regions, introns, which are so called because they
intervene with the coding regions (exons). An impressive amount of
evidence suggests that introns are of very ancient origin; it is
likely that early exons represented early protein domains.
Is the number of introns decreasing or increasing? It appears that
intron loss can occur, and species with common ancestry usually
have quite similar exon-intron structure in their genes.
On the other hand, the possibility that introns have been inserted
later, presents several logical difficulties. Introns are removed
by a splicing mechanism - this would have to be present, but unused,
if introns are inserted. Moreover, intron insertion would have
required _precise_ targeting - random insertion would not be tolerated,
since sequences for intron removal (self-splicing of mRNA) are
conserved. Besides, transposition of a sequence usually leaves a
trace - long terminal repeats and target - site duplications, and
these are not found in or near intron sequences.
I seriously recommend reading textbooks on molecular biology and
genetics before posting "theological arguments" like this.
Try Watson's Molecular Biology of the Gene or Darnell, Lodish
& Baltimore's Molecular Biology of the Cell for starters.
: Remember, the question was posed in a theological context (Why does
: God cause disease in newborns?), and my answer is likewise from a
: theological perspective -- my own. It is no less valid than a purely
: scientific perspective, just different.
Scientific perspective is supported by the evidence, whereas
theological perspectives often fail to fulfil this criterion.
: I think you misread my meaning. I said God made the genetic code perfect,
: but that doesn't mean it's perfect now. It has certainly evolved since.
For the worse? Would you please cite a few references that support
your assertion? Your assertion is less valid than the scientific
perspective, unless you support it by some evidence.
In fact, it has been claimed that parasites and diseases are perhaps
more important than we've thought - for instance, sex might
have evolved as defence against parasites. (This view is supported by
computer simulations of evolution, eg Tierra.)
: Perhaps. I thought it was higher energy rays like X-rays, gamma
: rays, and cosmic rays that caused most of the damage.
In fact, it is thermal energy that does most of the damage, although
it is usually mild and easily fixed by enzymatic action.
: Actually, neither of us "knows" what the atmosphere was like at the
: time when God created life. According to my recollection, most
: biologists do not claim that life began 4 billion years ago -- after
: all, that would only be a half billion years or so after the earth
: was created. It would still be too primitive to support life. I
: seem to remember a figure more like 2.5 to 3 billion years ago for
: the origination of life on earth. Anyone with a better estimate?
I'd replace "created" with "formed", since there is no need to
invoke any creator if the Earth can be formed without one.
Most recent estimates of the age of the Earth range between 4.6 - 4.8
billion years, and earliest signs of life (not true fossils, but
organic, stromatolite-like layers) date back to 3.5 billion years.
This would leave more than billion years for the first cells to
evolve.
I'm sorry I can't give any references, this is based on the course
on evolutionary biochemistry I attended here.
: >>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer
: >>diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of
: >>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the
: >>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this.
Again, do you _want_ this be true, or do you have any evidence for
this supposed "degeneration"?
I can understand Scott's reaction:
: > Excuse me, but this is so far-fetched that I know you must be
: > jesting. Do you know what pathogens are? Do you know what
: > Point Mutations are? Do you know that EVERYTHING CAN COME
: > ABOUT SPONTANEOUSLY?!!!!!
:
: In response to your last statement, no, and neither do you.
: You may very well believe that and accept it as fact, but you
: cannot *know* that.
I hope you don't forget this: We have _evidence_ that suggests
everything can come about spontaneously. Do you have evidence against
this conclusion? In science, one does not have to _believe_ in
anything. It is a healthy sign to doubt and disbelieve. But the
right path to walk is to take a look at the evidence if you do so,
and not to present one's own conclusions prior to this.
Theology does not use this method. Therefore, I seriously doubt
it could ever come to right conclusions.
: >>Human DNA, being more "complex", tends to accumulate errors adversely
: >>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the
: >>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in
: >>causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Hence
: >>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial
: >>diseases/disorders.
You are supposing a purpose, not a valid move. Bacteria and viruses
do not exist to cause disease. They are just another manifests of
a general principle of evolution - only replication saves replicators
from degradiation. We are just an efficient method for our DNA to
survive and replicate. The less efficient methods didn't make it
to the present.
And for the last time. Please present some evidence for your claim that
human DNA is degrading through evolutionary processes. Some people have
claimed that the opposite is true - we have suppressed our selection,
and thus are bound to degrade. I haven't seen much evidence for either
claim.
: But then I ask, So? Where is this relevant to my discussion in
: answering John's question of why? Why are there genetic diseases,
: and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require
: babies to develop antibodies. Is it God's fault? (the original
: question) -- I say no, it is not.
Of course, nothing "evil" is god's fault. But your explanation does
not work, it fails miserably.
: You may be right. But the fact is that you don't know that
: Satan is not responsible, and neither do I.
:
: Suppose that a powerful, evil being like Satan exists. Would it
: be inconceivable that he might be responsible for many of the ills
: that affect mankind? I don't think so.
He could have done a much better Job. (Pun intended.) The problem is,
it seems no Satan is necessary to explain any diseases, they are
just as inevitable as any product of evolution.
: Did I say that? Where? Seems to me like another bad inference.
: Actually what you've done is to oversimplify what I said to the
: point that your summary of my words takes on a new context. I
: never said that people are "meant" (presumably by God) "to be
: punished by getting diseases". Why I did say is that free moral
: choices have attendent consequences. If mankind chooses to reject
: God, as people have done since the beginning, then they should not
: expect God to protect them from adverse events in an entropic
: universe.
I am not expecting this. If god exists, I expect him to leave us alone.
I would also like to hear why do you believe your choices are indeed
free. This is an interesting philosophical question, and the answer
is not as clear-cut as it seems to be.
What consequences would you expect from rejecting Allah?
: Oh, I admit it's not perfect (yet). But I'm working on it. :)
A good library or a bookstore is a good starting point.
: What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or the
: question to which I provided an answer? Biology and Genetics are
: fine subjects and important scientific endeavors. But they explain
: *how* God created and set up life processes. They don't explain
: the why behind creation, life, or its subsequent evolution.
Why is there a "why behind"? And your proposition was something
that is not supported by the evidence. This is why we recommend
these books.
Is there any need to invoke any why behind, a prime mover? Evidence
for this? If the whole universe can come into existence without
any intervention, as recent cosmological theories (Hawking et al)
suggest, why do people still insist on this?
: Thanks Scotty, for your fine and sagely advice. But I am
: not highly motivated to learn all the nitty-gritty details
: of biology and genetics, although I'm sure I'd find it a
: fascinating subject. For I realize that the details do
: not change the Big Picture, that God created life in the
: beginning with the ability to change and adapt to its
: environment.
I'm sorry, but they do. There is no evidence for your big picture,
and no need to create anything that is capable of adaptation.
It can come into existence without a Supreme Being.
Try reading P.W. Atkins' Creation Revisited (Freeman, 1992).
Petri
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C5uD1u.3oy@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.210651.5687@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>>>Although I'm an atheist, the events in Waco have really sickened me. It's
>>>truely a sad day for religious freedom in this country. The Branch
>>>Dividians may have been nutty (my general opinion of all religious people),
>>>but tax evasion and illegal possesion of firearms are certainly not grounds
>>>for destroying a people.
>>
>>Excuse me? WHO destroyed the BD's? Last I knew, they burned themselves...
>
> Where did you get this information? The FBI stated they were not
> aware of any mass suicide plans, ditto Koresh's attorneys who appeared
> on Larry King's Live yesterday, and the survivors claim the fire was started
> from the outside...
So what if the FBI wasn't aware of suicide plans? This may not even be an
]accurate statement, anyway, since the last report of listening devices used
in the compound may reveal new information. We'll have to wait.
And what did you expect Koresh's attorneys to say? Their credibility
is shot anyway, since they *origianlly* said that Koresh was going to surrender
after the Passover. We saw how accurate that was.
And the survivors claim the fire was started from the outside. Outside
meaning outside the compound? Yes, the FBI reported seeing two people
(according to CNN reports) using torches to set the compound on fire. They
were outside.
Either way, I have evidence to support the theory that the BD's burned
themselves. You made a serious implication that the FBI was responsible
for the fire and the "destruction of the people". All you have done is
put doubt on who started the fire without providing any evidence to back
up your claim that the FBI was responsible.
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C4vyFu.JJ6@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote:
>:
>: Wild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that
>: one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much
>: evidence to believe than if you were to claim that there is a two headed
>: leapard in your bed. [ and I don't mean a male lover in a leotard! ]
>
>Keith,
>
>If the issue is, "What is Truth" then the consequences of whatever
>proposition argued is irrelevent. If the issue is, "What are the consequences
>if such and such -is- True", then Truth is irrelevent. Which is it to
>be?
I disagree: every proposition needs a certain amount of evidence
and support, before one can believe it. There are a miriad of factors for
each individual. As we are all different, we quite obviously require
different levels of evidence.
As one pointed out, one's history is important. While in FUSSR, one
may not believe a comrade who states that he owns five pairs of blue jeans.
One would need more evidence, than if one lived in the United States. The
only time such a statement here would raise an eyebrow in the US, is if the
individual always wear business suits, etc.
The degree of the effect upon the world, and the strength of the
claim also determine the amount of evidence necessary. When determining the
level of evidence one needs, it is most certainly relevent what the
consequences of the proposition are.
If the consequences of a proposition is irrelvent, please explain
why one would not accept: The electro-magnetic force of attraction between
two charged particles is inversely proportional to the cube of their
distance apart.
Remember, if the consequences of the law are not relevent, then
we can not use experimental evidence as a disproof. If one of the
consequences of the law is an incongruency between the law and the state of
affairs, or an incongruency between this law and any other natural law,
they are irrelevent when theorizing about the "Truth" of the law.
Given that any consequences of a proposition is irrelvent, including
the consequence of self-contradiction or contradiction with the state of
affiars, how are we ever able to judge what is true or not; let alone find
"The Truth"?
By the way, what is "Truth"? Please define before inserting it in
the conversation. Please explain what "Truth" or "TRUTH" is. I do think that
anything is ever known for certain. Even if there IS a "Truth", we could
never possibly know if it were. I find the concept to be meaningless.
--
"Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
They do what god tells them to do. "
S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu)
| 0alt.atheism |
Excerpt From: rek@siss81 (Robert Kaye)
:Just a few contributions from the space program to "regular" society:
:
:1. Calculators
:2. Teflon (So your eggs don't stick in the pan)
:3. Pacemakers (Kept my grandfather alive from 1976 until 1988)
Don't forget Tang! ::smile::
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Robert M. Shearman, Jr. University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland
E-Mail: madison@wam.umd.edu "WILL WORK FOR CHOCOLATE"
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| 14sci.space |
In article <C5L1Fv.H9r@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:
>How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known
>what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored
>it)?
>
So now we're judging the Qur'an by what's not in it?
How many mutton headed arguments am I going to have to wade
through today?
>Lots of other books have been written on this subject. Those
>books can speak far more eloquently than I.
One would hope.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| 0alt.atheism |
[stuff deleted about Microsoft]
bferrell@ant.occ.uc.edu (Brett Ferrell) writes:
>If you think that windows is useable, you must not use it much. Windows
>version of "crash protection" is wearing a helmet while computing. The arir
>(air) bag is an expensive add-on.
>Brett
You must of read too many OS/2 advertisements. "Crash Protection" is such
a marketing gimick, it isn't funny.. Out of 4 months of using Windows on my
new machine I've only had it crash ONCE, and I don't have a "run of the mill"
configuration.
Microsoft is not a leader in innovation, but they certainly know how to
build a better mousetrap. Now, what's wrong with that??
--
Larry "Ludes" Ludwig "It's always taken me twice to get
Clemson University CompSci UnderGrad. it right. You never heard of the
ludes@hubcap.clemson.edu Apple I."
ludes@clemson.clemson.edu -Steve Jobs
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I want to start of list for Syclone and Typhoon owners. If you are interested
in participating, please contact me via e-mail.
Merrill
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
|>
|> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
|> Subject: Unconventional peace proposal
|>
|>
|> A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.
|> ---------------------------------------------------------- by
|> Elias Davidsson
This could be accomplished by other criteria. One must remember
that children often bring stress into households. As an alternative,
one could consider financial incentives for every sexual act performed
by two partners of different ethnic backgrounds. The plan could
be entitled "PEACE INCOME SEXUAL SECURITY", or PISS for short.
Every time an Israeli gets screwed
by a Palestinian or visa versa, they would be eligible for income.
In keeping with the spirit of the times, condoms would be a tax deductible
expense. This policy does not discriminate on a gender basis nor
would it apply to domestic animals of either nationality.
Joint Palestinan-Israeli teams would be obligated to ensure that all
acts were voluntary and promptly rewarded. The teams of Palestinian-Israel
Morals Patrols, or PIMPS, would receive a percentage of the financial
income in order to encourage their participation and add to their
incentive in locating suitable candidates.
|> I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as
|> well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shouldn't that be insemination?
|> Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1qtsmc$39j@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank
O'Dwyer) wrote:
>
> Well I can cut to the chase and admit that what I find least attractive
> about realtivism is that it elevates the heinous to the level of the good,
> by saying in effect "to each his own", or "what's good for you, isn't good
> for me". Thus the terrorist is elevated to the same level as the man
> of peace.
So, then, I assume that you feel that there is an objective definition for
"terrorist"?
--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Does anyone have a version of "Which Mac Do I Buy?"
that is later than v 1.3.1?
I no longer have access the ZiffNet/Mac, accessed
through CompuServe, to check for myself.
"Which Mac..." is a HyperCard stack that assists
in decision making based on budget, features, and
main software used.
Please let me know if you can help me out. Download
from CompuServe should not cost much if a higher speed
modem is used. Stack, compressed, is about 125KB?
Thanks for any help...
Dale
carsona@sfu.ca
.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Scott D. Sauyet (SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu) wrote:
> In <1993Apr21.163848.8099@cs.nott.ac.uk>
> Kevin Anthony (kax@cs.nott.ac.uk) writes:
> > Firstly, I'm not impressed with the ability of algorithms. They're
> > great at solving problems once the method has been worked out, but not
> > at working out the method itself.
> [ .. crossword example deleted ... ]
> Have you heard of neural networks? I've read a little about them, and
> they seems to overcome most of your objections.
I'm sure there are many people who work with neural networks and
read this newsgroup. Please tell Kevin what you've achieved, and
what you expect.
> I am not saying that NNs will solve all such problems, but I think
> they show that it is not as hard as you think to come up with
> mechanical models of consciousness.
Indeed. I think dualism is a non-solution, or, as Dennett recently
put it, a dead horse.
Petri
--
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!___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of
' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game.
*' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game.
| 0alt.atheism |
My wife had hives during the first two months
of her pregnancy. My son (3 months old), breast-fed,
now has the same symptoms. She has been to a skin-specialist,
but he has merely prescribed various medicines (one
each visit as though by trial and error :-))
Anti-histamines worked on both of them, but looks like
becoming less effective.
Are there other solutions? Thanks.
--
Kiong Beng Kee
Dept of Information Systems and Computer Science
National University of Singapore
Lower Kent Ridge Road, SINGAPORE 0511
| 13sci.med |
Robert Lewis Glendenning (rlglende@netcom.com) wrote:
: Clipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business
: or professional body in a position to establish a standard and
: provide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission
: systems.
:
: RSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of
: a couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones.
.......
: Is RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this? I, for one,
: would *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones.
Hear hear! I completely agree that we need to work quickly to
establish alternatives to the government's Clinton Clipper. As Brad
Templeton and others have noted, once the Clipper becomes ensconced in
enough phones there will be enormous pressure to make it the *legal*
standard, and it will become the "market* standard as well. (There is
a lot of confusion in the proposal about whether the use of Clipper is
mandated, about whether non-escrow alternatives will be allowed, etc.)
(There are also unclear issues about how hard, or how illegal, it will
be to make "workalikes" which meet the standard but which generate
phony or untappable keys...I'm sure the next several weeks will see
these issues thrashed out in this and other groups.)
Meanwhile, I'd be interested to hear RSA Data Security's reaction.
Often criticized in this group for their licensing policies (the usual
complaints about MailSafe costing too much, at $125 or so, and the
general issue of software patents...), we may find that *allying*
ourselves with RSA is the best thing we can do. What's a mere
licensing fee when our liberty may be at stake? (If everyone who
wanted true security paid, say, $100 for a lifetime use of all of
RSA's patents--which expire in the period 1998-2002, or so--then RSA
would make tons of money and be happy, I'm sure. A small price to pay.
For those to whom $100 sounds like too much, I'm sure the actual terms
could be different, spread out over several years, whatever. To me,
it's a small price to pay.)
Strong crypto means strong privacy. Escrowing keys, sending copies of
keys to large databases, and splitting keys into two 40-bit pieces,
all done with secret and non-analyzable protocols and algorithms, is
*NOT* strong crypto!
Whatever some of us may think about the abstract principles of
patenting number theory applications, this minor issue pales in
comparison with the potential dangers of the Clipper proposal (note
that I said "potential"...we'll presumably learn more in the coming
months).
The RSA algorithms are at least public, have been analyzed and
attacked for years, and source code is available (to better ensure no
deliberate weakenesses or trapdoors).
I know of a number of groups putting together voice encryption systems
using off-the-shelf hardware (like Soundblaster boards for the PC) and
CELP-type software. The new generations of PCs, using fast 486s and
Pentiums are fast enough to do real-time voice encryption. Combined
with Diffie-Hellman key exchange, this should provide an alternative
to the Clipper system.
Of course, we don't really know if the Administration proposes to
outlaw competing systems. (It seems to me that their goal of tapping
terrorists, child pornographers, and Hilary bashers would be thwarted
if low-cost alternatives to Clipper proliferated. Not to defend child
pornographers or terrorists, but limiting basic freedoms to catch a
few criminals is not the American way of doing things. End of soapbox
mode.)
I suggest we in these groups set aside any differences we may have had
with RSA (and don't look at me....I have both MacPGP *and* a fully
legal copy of "MailSafe"!) and instead work with them as quickly as we can.
RSA?, Jim?, are you listening?
-Tim May
P.S. I reserve the right to retract these opinions if it should turn
out that RSA Data Security was involved in the Clipper proposal.
--
..........................................................................
Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.
Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.
| 11sci.crypt |
*thud*
(see .sig)
--
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu
Help cleanse R.S.B of all mindless woofing! Whenever someone at your site posts
an article with a subject of the form "MY TEAM R00LZ!!!!!!", simply look him up
in the directory, hunt him down, and beat him senseless! Easy, fun, rewarding!
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Could someone repost the FAQs for this group, please?
Thanks
Ladislas.
| 5comp.windows.x |
It happened to my classic ii once. At startup, after the usual powerup
tone, there were chimes (kinda like do(1st)-mi(1st)-sol(1st)-do(2nd) or
1st C - 1st E - 1st G - 2nd C on the music scale), and it hanged before
giving the happy mac. I had to re-powerup.
This was asked before but I can't remember the answer. I've tried to
find the answer from the faqs and other ftp sites but to no avail.
Can anyone tell me what those unusual chimes mean? A spurious memory
check error?
Thanks
willie*
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I produced an error last week about CHORION:
>> (By the way Mr DeCenso, you really should have looked in the index of your
>> Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich Greek lexicon. You would have found that the word in
>> Acts for "lot" is "kleros," not "CHORION" as stated by Mr Archer, and nowhere
>> in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to "Theological Dictionary
>> of the New Testament" by Bromley, is the meaning "burial plot" discussed. It
>> discusses the forms of "kleros" (eg: kleros, kleroo, etc), and the various
>> meanings of "kleros" (eg: "plot of land," and "inheritance"), but mentions
>> nothing about CHORION or "burial plot." (Why does this not surprise me?) Thus
>> it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped Archer as a reference).
>
> I was wrong. I admit that I do not have a handle on Greek grammar, and thus
> confused "kleros", the second to last word in Acts 1:17 as being the plot of
> land discussed. In actuality it is "chorion", which is the last word Acts
> 1:18. Unfortunately my Greek dictionary does not discuss "chorion" so I
> cannot report as to the nuances of the word.
I abhor publishing trash (I abhor it of myself even more than I do from
others, but since I do not present myself as an authority on the subject, I do
not feel dishonest, though I do openly admit ignorance and incompetence in
this example). Thus I felt honor bound to do a better set of research
specifically on the word. First it should be noted that Greek grammar is not
as tough as I first assumed (it is not nontrivial by any means, and I still am
not competent with it, but it is not as opaque as I had thought). It turns
out that while the Index for the Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich "Greek Lexicon" renders
each verse in order, each word within a verse is put in greek alphabetical
order. Thus while the the meaning of the verse is decipherable, the syntax is
far from clear. On the other hand, a Greek-English Intralinear Bible makes
things a lot more comprehendable. And yes, the word for field in Acts 1:18 is
indeed "chorion."
Now I've checked several Greek-English lexicons:
"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Louw and Nida
"Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament"
"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Grimm
"Word study Concordance," Tynsdale
"A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other
early Christian Writings," Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich
"The New Analytical Greek Lexicon," Perschbacher
In each case the meaning of the word Chorion was given variously as:
A space, place, region, district, field, area, "country place,"
land, farm, estate, "a bit of tillage", and similar meanings.
Nowhere do any of these books mention anything about "grave." As some of these
books go into great detail, I would be very surprised to find that these books
are all inadequate and Mr Archer is the only competent scholar in Greek. I
think it more likely that Mr Archer's investigations into "contradictions" to
be once again, as your friend said it, "lacking in substance," and thus Archer
is again shown worthless as an expert witness (By the way Mr DeCenso, I would
have honorably presented my results on this matter, even if I had found them
to support Mr Archer's contentions).
By the way, among these lexicons, (eg: Robinson's) is the definition of
"agros," the word used in Matthew 27 to describe the field bought. The word
"agros" is defined as "a field in the country." Chorion is specifically noted
as a synonym to agros. This is significant, as it is evidence of how silly
Bullinger's exegisis was, which stated that the word for "field" in Matthew
(ie: agros) is different from the word for "field" in Acts (ie: chorion), and
thus we must be talking about two different fields (Of course you already
admit how stupid Bullinger's exegisis is, but this was a small serendipity
which drives the point home).
So as of now, unless Mr DeCenso show compelling reasons to believe otherwise
(eg: a reputable scholar with reputable references), I consider this
particular issue closed. See Mr DeCenso, now you can go on to answer
questions about the denials of Peter, the day of the Crucifixion, Tyre, and
the fact that the author of Matthew quoted from the wrong prophet in
discussing the "Potter's Field."
Later,
Dave Butler
Precise knowledge is the only true knowledge, and he who does not teach
exactly, does not teach at all.
Henry Ward Beecher
American Clergyman
as recorded by George Seldes
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr22.130421.113279@zeus.calpoly.edu>, dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes:
>
> REMEMBER: Einstien said Imagination is greater than knowledge!!
Then Einstein should have had lunch with me at the Tien Fu
on Castro Street yesterday, when they handed me a fortune
cookie that said "He who has imagination but not knowledge
has wings, but no feet".
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote:
>With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and
>so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me:
>
>1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns
>VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.)
>
60ns 72 pin simms.
>2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the
>C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing
>would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic
>board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?)
>
2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board
leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a
650.
>Just wondering....
>
Michael A. McGuire, :-)
MCGUIRE@UTKVX.UTK.EDU
UTCC - User Services
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <34544@oasys.dt.navy.mil> glouie@oasys.dt.navy.mil (George Louie) writes:
>In rec.autos, nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans) writes:
>>Ashtrays and cigarette lighters. These should be an *option*.
>
>Why make it an option. You can use the ashtray to store coins and other
>small things which come in handy. Use the cigarette lighter as an electrical
>outlet for all types of handy gadgets (CD players, vacuum cleaners,
>flashlights, etc.) I don't want to pay extra for these things and if
>you don't use them, they don't hurt you.
I use the ashtray to keep change and other items in. I converted the
cigarette lighter into a volume control knob for my in trunk subwoofer!
>
>
>George
>>--
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The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates
that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!
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| 7rec.autos |
I recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me
intravenous Acyclovir.
It was a pain finding IV sites in my arms...can I have some facts about
how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral?
marty
| 13sci.med |
Joseph B Stiehm (joe13+@pitt.edu) wrote:
: I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series: Show
: the shots, not the hits. On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in
: on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot. They panned
: back to show the rebound. Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more
: experienced.
: Joseph Stiehm
Exactly. That is my biggest complaint about the coverage so far.
Follow that damn puck!
--
Ravi Shah
shah+@pitt.edu
"La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: "Music will bring ideas
y siempre continuara' and will continue forever
sonido electro'nico electronic sound
decibel sinte'tico" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel"
-Kraftwerk
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5yDqC.6JK@cs.uiuc.edu> scott@cs.uiuc.edu (Jay Scott) writes:
>So, what does the net think? Did the dealer just get one flaky
>machine, or did Apple send the C610 out the door too early?
>Is your C610 working just great, or is it buggy too?
>
My 610 is working like a charm.. In fact, if 610's are flaky, I would consider it a great computer even if I had to return a couple to Apple to get a good one.
--
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Bio Computing Labs Whitman 108
915 E. 57th St. Chicago, IL 60637
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Does anyone out there know of any ftp sites which deal with
electronics projects, plans, etc? Any response appreciated.:)
JB
--
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Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C5r4IA.A21@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
> With the Davidians all dead, [...]
One minor point here: they're not all dead.
Not that I'm inclined to stand up for BATF or the FBI, mind you.
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In <jgladu-290493130832@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy) writes:
>In article <1993Apr29.064347.15433@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>,
>ward@pashosh.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Ward Paul) wrote:
>> If you want people to back the space program it must be a good thing in
>> and of itself.
>I think we *should* tell them about the things that they are using now that
>are spinoffs of the space program. That is the only way you can *prove*
>its worth to *them* - and they vote and pay taxes too. The continued
>existence of the space program relies upon that money.
I have to agree with Ward. The problem with your approach is they add
up what you can reasonably claim as 'spin-offs', add up what's been
spent on space, and then come back with something like, "You spent $X
billion for that? Wouldn't it be better just to spend the money on
direct research and forget all this space stuff? We could have got
all that stuff a *lot* cheaper that way. Space is wasteful and
inefficient."
Then they cancel your funding and spend it studying mating rituals of
New Guinea tribesmen or something.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
| 14sci.space |
Isaac Kuo (saackuo@spam.berkeley.edu) writes:
#In article <93109.231733ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> "Casper C. Knies" <ISSCCK@BYUVM#.B
#>Gedaliah Friedenberg (friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu) writes:
#>As a Latter-day Saint, I found John's statement *not at all* ludicrous...
#>
#>Please allow me to explain myself. In 1838, the governor of Missouri,
#>governor Boggs, issued his so-called "Mormon extermination order." The
#>only crime ("illegal activity") the Latter-day Saints had committed, was
#>their religious affiliation, their anti-slave stance (Missouri still
#>allowed slave practices), and their growing numbers/influence in Missouri.
#>
#>I guess the Mormons "got what they deserved," because they refused to bow
#>to the will of (corrupt and evil) secular authorities. This "disobedience"
#>brought upon them persecution, murder, and finally forced expulsion from
#>their lands and settlements...
#
#It is significant to remember that these secular positions were held by
#"average" people, and that at the time, almost all Americans were pretty
#homogeonously Christian. It was largely the mainstream Christian's disgust
#at such practices as polygamy which resulted in their irrational hatred.
True, but that is exactly the "problem": the Mormon extermination order
was issued not just by a Christian, it was ALLOWED under the Constitution
of the United States, which was instituted precisely to prevent incidents
like this "order" from occurring in the first place... As I indicated in
an earlier posting, your "irrational hatred" is clearly evidenced by
individuals like Robert Weiss (who could have been Gov. Boggs' Lieutenant;
he would have fitted right in, drewling et al), and seems a modern-day
occurrence, based on results (slander, persecution, misrepresentation,
lies, denying Mormons representation in their own user group, etc. etc.
In intent and purpose, what really has changed?
#The situation is not entirely different today. Many irrational feelings
#and beliefs are justified through religion. I don't think most of them
#are started because of religion, but religion certainly helps justify and
#perpetuate prejudices and practices by providing a neat justification
#which discourages critical thought.
True, as evidenced by numerous examples, as I am sure you're aware.
#>In any regard, Mormon history alone indicates that secular authorities (and
#>I don't even discuss how Uthan's were suckered into allowing part of their
#>lands in becoming nerve-gas and atomic bomb testing grounds...) is far from
#>being trusted or righteous. Have things really changed for the better? I
#>may be a born cynic, but I have NO reason whatsoever that such has been the
#>case. In the early 1980s, I believe, the late President Kimball (lds church
#>leader) strongly protested federal attempts to locate the MX-"Peace Keeper"
#>missile maze from being built in Utah (yet another "inspired" decision from
#secular authorities). Fortunately, his opposition was influential enough
#for the feds to back off.
#
#Do you mean that the "secular authorities" are some continuous group of
#people with the common and uninterrupted goal of harrassing/eradicating the
#Mormons? Do you honestly believe that the main reason for using Utah for
#nuclear testing etc.. was to "get them thar Mormons"? And what about the
#majority of Uthan's who aren't Mormons? You seem to be searching for enemy
^^^^^^^^
(Correction: the majority of Utahn's ARE Mormon (60-70% I believe, up to a
100% in many cities and settlements throughout the Western states.)
#conspiracies. It is paranoid to believe that everything that affects you
#badly must have been done primarily for that purpose.
What I mean is that secular authorities are to be watched, as we believe
that Satan has been given some power and dominion over the earth to divert
truth, judgment, and justice. In addition, we believe that the adversary
has power to influence the unjust and idolatrous (greed for money would be
a good example) in order to bring about persecution, war, oppression, and
evil combinations. As an intelligent being, don't you suppose that the
destroyer would yield his influence foremost on those with political power?
As far as Utah is concerned, what I pointed out were some horrible examples
of environmental nightmares imposed upon by secular authorities, which have
brought death, disease, (i.e. the "downwinders") and environmental contami-
nation. I am hardly "paranoid," I am just not "expecting" too much from a
secular government that may not share our values and faith, and which indeed
(as Gov. Boggs et al.) may be out to harm and destroy us. As a matter of
fact, prophecies in my church indicate that in future years, (global)
persecution against Mormons will so increase in intensity and scope, that
(paraphrasing) "all those who wish to escape persecution and murder must
flee to Zion." Zion (the "pure in heart") will be re-established in those
days, and it AIN'T our current secular authorities who will rule over it...
#>... David Koresh did NOT pose a great
#>threat to the federal authorities or the security of this nation, and with
#>John, I too wonder who or what's next...
#
#I personally feel that we should try to stop anyone who is a threat to the
#life of even one person. Sure, he did not pose a threat to the security of
#this nation. But he did pose a threat to the lives of his followers. That
#much is definite.
Hmmm. "definite" by whom? --Until such has been established beyond reason-
able doubt, this alleged "threat" may have been less than the "threat"
imposed upon him and his followers by the BATF and FBI...
#>Who killed who? What constitutional right did the ATF officers have to
#>invade upon private land and to force themselves into the compound?
#>What REALLY caused the "murder" of the little children? Could it be that
#>the ATF/FBI presence has any bearing upon the events? How would you
#>interpret the Mt. Masada events? --Blame the Jews? (What the heck did
#>the Romans do there anyway? What business did the ATF/FBI has in Waco,
#>Texas???) The Branch Davidians NEVER posed any threat to society.
#
#This is like asking who REALLY caused the deaths of the Israeli Olympic
#team in 1976? In that case, the police botched the job as well. But to
#lay a heavier burden on them than the terrorists would be a terrible
#mistake. I think the same sort of reasoning applies in this case.
#Certainly, if David Koresh chose any peaceful option, the ATF and FBI
#would have complied. The responsibility is more his than the authorities.
Come now, at issue is in how much the authorities escalated an otherwise
peaceful stand-off: "let's get it over with, and "force" David Koresh to
come out???" --By gassing them??? Were they naive, or what? They played
right into the hands of an apocalyptic-thinking individual (he had prepared
his people for this eventuality for years), and not *one* firetruck or plan
was in place to deal with this scenario??? I feel that the authorities
had "some" responsibility to protect their own citizens, even if they were
religious zealots, and guilty of ... not paying a $200 gun license???
(Has the BATF become an extension of the local tax-collectors?)
#>David Koresh, no doubt, will be described as the "evil" guy (by the
#>executioners), while the actions of all those "valiant and brave" officers
#
#Characterizing the ATF/FBI as executioners is inaccurate and unfair. In
#order to be an executioner, the least one must have done is have the intent
#to kill.
Que?? --Intrusion into private property with semi's, loaded with life
ammunition, isn't that implicit "intent (or at least "prepared") to kill"?
I ask you, would the BATF warrant stand up in a civil court of justice?
I do not mind if criminals (such as dangerous drug lords) are brought to
justice, but escalating events to the point of allowing to, if not compli-
city with, the destruction of a people?
#--
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#* For us, it is a mundane and functional item. For you, *(==(/___________
#* the basis of an entire culture!" Manfred von Richtofen * \==\/ \
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Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they
>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters
>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM
>I have ever seen in hockey
How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were
a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked
unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for
the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would
have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon
of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can
maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level.
In the history of hockey there have been several better GM's than Murray-
way too many to name. Murray isn't even the best GM in the league today.
He fails in comparison to Sinden, Sather, Savard, Caron, Fletcher and
Quinn in my estimation.
I can't imagine how Bryan Murray can be the best GM anyone has ever seen
in hockey- unless they have seen VERY few GM's.
Gregmeister
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
As the heading indicates, it is impossible for me to fathom why Barry is not
batting 4th for the Giants behind Will Clark. Barry is such an awesome and
consistent hitter -- definitely the best in the National League. IMHO, to
have Williams, a streaky hitter (and not really a clutch hitter) batting
4th ahead of Bonds is simply an injustice to the Giants and fans of the
Giants.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
AL>> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can
AL>> use to find out the number to the line?
AL>> Thanks for any response.
AL>> Al
AL>There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized
AL>voice telling you the number of the line. Unfortunately, for the
AL>life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians
AL>use it all the time. We used to play around with this in our
AL>dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between
AL>rooms.
It probably wouldn't help for you to post the number, since it appears
to be different in each area. For what it's worth, in the New Orleans
area the number is 998-877-6655 (easy to remember, what?)
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr17.152833.7811@maths.tcd.ie>
pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
>jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) writes:
>> God CAN be seen:
>> "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."
>Wot? God's a mooner?
Such lunacy!
>(Gee, maybe there's something in this Christianity thing after all -
>maybe God is John Belushi from "Animal House")
The SuperNatural One wants to have a personal relationship with you.
JHVH-1, come quick!
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
: >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?
: Of course! We riders have to stick together, you know...Besides,
: he'd stop for me.
: Satan, by the way, rides a Vincent. So does God.
: Jesus rides an RZ350, the Angels get Ariels, and the demons
: all ride Matchless 500s.
: I know, because they talk to me through the fillings in my teeth.
: Regards, Charles
: DoD0.001
: RZ350
: --
: Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
: separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
: struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
: gourd. --Unknown net.person
I think that the Vincent is the wrong sort of bike for Satan to ride.
Honda have just brought out the CB1000 (look in BIKE Magazine) which
looks so evil that Satan would not hesitate to ride it. 17-hole DMs,
Levi 501s and a black bomber jacket. I'm not sure about the helmet,
oh, I know, one of those Darth Vader ones. There you go. Satan.
Anybody seen him lately? Just a cruisin'?
God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.
He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.
--
Nick (the Righteous Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford New (non-leaky) gearbox
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002
(-
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I need 3 tickets to the cleveland showing of phantom of the opera.
I will pay face value for tickets in the 50 dollar and lower range
preferably a matinee show but any in middle to late may will be bought.
please leave mail.
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
%
% Request for opinions:
%
% Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
%
Like most everyone else, I ended up getting two different sizes for
the top and bottom. My top is a 46L and the bottom is a 48L. For the
bottom, the waist is far too large, but the thighs fit just right (the
46 had a better waist, but cut off the circulation in my legs, I have
large, muscular thighs, and no, I didn't use the thighmaster to get
them :-). The jacket fits me ok in the chest, slightly snug at the
waist, and too small in the arms. I can't imagine finding a one-piece
size that would have fit correctly, as even the 2 piece has it's
problems (strange, since my V-Pilot jacket fits great all over, and
when I tried the matching pants, they fit like a glove as well).
I can only assume the models Aero Design uses to design its suits are
in some way different from us real folks.
Also, even though it's related to convienience, you look pretty damn
wierd walking around with the tops and bottoms while running errands.
I've gotten some really suspicious looks, and sweated a lot while in a
store wearing the whole suit, since you can't fit the top and bottom
in any motorcycle storage device yet devised (except the trunk in my
sidecar rig :-). With the two piece, I unzip the pants (I generally
leave the two pieces zipped together, primarily because the pants fall
down unless I pull the cheesy elastic belt-type band real tight),
stuff them in one of my spacious BMW saddlebags (the pants just fit),
and run errands just wearing the jacket. Actually, if I know I'll be
running errands, I just wear my V-Pilot jacket, but that's just me...
As far as crash protection, I'd say that both suits are probably
equal. It seems that for weather protection, if anything the 2 piece
provides a little more because of the jacket overlapping the pants by
3 inches. The 2 piece is probably a little less comfortable around
the waist, just because of the extra layer of stuff, but maybe not.
So I'd have to vote for the two piece. Despite the slightly odd fit,
I still find the suit the most versatile piece of riding clothing I
own. Wouldn't go long distance without it.
Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com>
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken
--
Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com>
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken
| 8rec.motorcycles |
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