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In article <May.11.02.37.09.1993.28123@athos.rutgers.edu>, you write:
|>
|> [I fear orthodox theologians have been overly in love with paradox, to
|> the extent that well-meaning people think they've just flat-out
|> confused. There's no problem with things being both 3 and 1, e.g. if
|> the 3 are different parts of the 1. ...
|> But they're in some way
|> different aspects, modes, or whatever, of one God. If you accept
|> economic trinitarianism, it's possible that you don't have any
|> substantive difference with the standard view. Is it possible that
|> you just don't find the neo-Platonic explanation illuminating?
|> --clh]
I would put it stronger than that. I consider it nonsense.
Simply put, I do not see any way that a "Platonic essence" could have
any *real* existance. "Essence" in the Platonic sense does not have
any referent as far as I can tell - it is just an imaginary concept
invented to provide an explanation for things better explained in
other ways.
So, to attribute an 'essence' to God is to attribute to him something that
does not exist!! Thus the orthodox Platonic formulation seems to leave
the unity of God in limbo, since it is based on a non-existant 'essence',
thus failing to avoid the very problem it was supposed to address.
Thus, to me, the unity of God must be primary, and the triality must be
secondary, must be modal or aspectual (relating to roles, or to modes
of interaction), since otherwise there is no meaning to saying God is one.
--
sarima@teradata.com (formerly tdatirv!sarima)
or
Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
[I think one can read Augustine as saying something consistent with
your comments. His "De Trinitate" -- which has been very influential
in the West -- defines the distinction among the persons relationally.
You're probably at one extreme of orthodox views, but I'm not sure
your views are necessary incompatible with the Trinity. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:
> The President today announced a new initiative that will bring
> the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary
> program to improve the security and privacy of telephone
> communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law
> enforcement.
A nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption
devices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted...
> For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our
> private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the
> tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of
> protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate
> the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and
> law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against
> industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement.
Bla-bla.
> protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption
> technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the
> unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used
> by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.
Indeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter.
> an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications
> using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in
> commercial use today.
This doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption
algorithms in commercial use today...
> This new technology will help companies protect proprietary
> information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations
> and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted
> electronically.
Except from the government.
> At the same time this technology preserves the
> ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to
> intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals.
Nope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip,
they'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to
intercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to
use it.
> agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the
> device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately
> in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be established by the
> Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to
> government officials with legal authorization to conduct a
> wiretap.
That is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they
are in one or in two of its hands...
> The "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no
> new authorities to access the content of the private
> conversations of Americans.
Correct. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false
sense of privacy.
> devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the
> government will be offered access to the confidential details of
> the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report
> their findings.
If the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do
not trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because
some parts of its design were kept secret.
> The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of
> encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the
> privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield
> criminals and terrorists. We need the "Clipper Chip" and other
> approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access
> to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it
> to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology
So they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal
activities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their
government not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations.
> -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to
> employ voice or data encryption for business purposes;
Except from the government.
> -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export
> high technology products.
Huh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted.
> Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important
> role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act
> quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding
> its use. The Administration is committed to policies that
> protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting
> them from those who break the law.
In short, the new technology can:
1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper.
It cannot:
1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its
ability to decrypt the conversations.
2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new
encryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who
handle them, etc.
3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for
communication.
> Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government
> agencies to listen in on phone conversations?
> A: No. "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with
> no new authorities to access the content of the private
> conversations of Americans.
Correct. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it
claims.
> Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks?
> A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent
> entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the
> Administration have yet to determine which agencies will
> oversee the key-escrow data banks.
Two candidates: the NSA and the Mafia.
> Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure
> how strong the security is?
> A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption
> systems readily available today.
That is, "trust us".
> While the algorithm will
> remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow
"Security through obscurity".
> system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of
> cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all
> potential users that there are no unrecognized
> vulnerabilities.
If it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be
trusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination
and the ones built into your phones will be the same?
> Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product?
> A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the
The NSA and the FBI?
> Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry?
> A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on
> encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify
> as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have
> briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the
> decisions related to this initiative.
Why did they "forget" the Academia?
> Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers?
> A: The government designed and developed the key access
> encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the
> microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product
> manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip
> manufacturer that produces them.
Doesn't this smell to monopolism?
> Q: Who provides the "Clipper Chip"?
> A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance,
> California, and will sell the chip to encryption device
> manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed
> to other vendors in the future.
Like the Mafia?
> Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological
> solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be
> willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more
> powerful encryption devices?
This is the main question, why was it buried at the end?
> A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be
> considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow
"We'll see".
> mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product
> that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive
> than others readily available today, but it is just one
"Trust us".
> The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
> we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
In short, "If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you".
> effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every
> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
> unbreakable commercial encryption product." There is a
Since the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions
and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American
to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of
right, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product?
> A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption
> technology in telecommunications and computing and are
> committed to working with industry and public-interest
> groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans'
> privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law
> enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime
> and terrorism.
Bullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security,
encryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the
encryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and
is a step to outlaw strong crypto.
> Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use
> the government hardware?
> A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control
> requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is
> required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The
Who was the optimist who believed that the new administration will
leave the export controls on strong crypto devices?
OK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist
to comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to
you, Americans, to fight for your rights.
Regards,
Vesselin
P.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the
new system is great.
--
Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
| 11sci.crypt |
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>We have no way of knowing because we cannot separate Morris' contribu-
>tion from the rest of the team's. There is only one way of determin-
>ing "best" in baseball. And that is by looking at the scoreboard at
>the end of the game. Each game determines which *team* is the best
>that day. At the end of the season, the team that was the best the
>most often is the best in the division. The playoffs determine the
>best of the best. But the point is that the only decision making pro-
>cess used to determine the "best" is the score of the game and it re-
>lates to the *teams*. Not the individual players. There is no method
>inherent in baseball of comparing individual performances. And that
>is how it should be, because, after all, baseball is a team game.
And you know what? There is no such method inherent in real life
either. So I would assume you would endorse the notion that we
cannot state, with any level of objectivity, that Mother Theresa
has accomplished more good in this world than Joseph Stalin.
After all, life on earth is a team effort.
>If you want to select a group of statistics and claim that Clemens has
>done better with those statistics as a criteria, then fine. But you
>have to be able to prove that those statistics measure the
>individual's contribution to winning the WS - because that is the
>only measure of "best" that has any meaning in the context of base-
>ball. So until you can prove that Clemens contributes to a WS cham-
>pionship more than Morris your evaluation of Clemens is totally sub-
>jective and is mere opinion. I have yet to see that any of you can
>predict a WS winner with any greater accuracy than Jeanne Dixon.
Have you tried glasses? I find them quite useful.
After all, there must be some reason you choose to ignore the mounds
of evidence we present. It's too bad you feel it necessary to close
your mind and eyes to knowledge; you live a poorer life as a result
of that choice.
Heck, I'd wager that you could predict a WS winner with greater
accuracy than Jeanne Dixon. And you know why? Because I have
full confidence that despite your protestations to the contrary,
you are quite capable of using the knowledge we can come up
with through statistical methods to boost your knowledge level.
>You don't have to be rude.
Have you tried calling a kettle black?
>For you to say that means that you have either missed the entire point
>of my argument, or you yourself have committed a fallacy - Ignoratio
>Elenchi. I am not saying that Morris is better than Clemens because
>he has more rings (although I have, tongue in cheek, claimed
>that in the past). I am saying that it is impossible to isolate an
>individual's performance from that of his team's for the purpose of
>comparing that individual's performance with another individual's per-
>formance.
In other words, in your world, you cannot objectively state that
Jack Morris was more important to the Blue Jays than Al Leiter last
year.
In your world, that may indeed be true. Fortunately, in the world
the rest of us occupy, it's not.
I hope you never serve on a jury, Roger. I think the rest of the
jury would have to kill you. "There's no way I can objectively
judge the defendant to be innocent or guilty. You see, there are
2 billion other people on this planet. We have no way of knowing
whether the defendant would have committed the crime if it wasn't
for all the other people on the planet. We have no way of knowing
how the defendant would have acted had he been on a different planet,
because living on this planet is a team effort. And no individual
committs a crime totally isolated from his society; he is a part of
that society. That being case, anything I have to say on his
culpability would be absolute subjectivity, so I refuse to vote."
Greg
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
>>John Dopson pitched his first major league shutout as the
>>Red Sox beat the White Sox 6-0. All 6 Sox runs came in
>>the 6th inning, which featured big hits from, among others,
>>Vaughan and Greenwell.
>>The Sox are now 10-3.
AND the first team in the majors to win 10 games! Yes! It'll never last, but
God it's good while it's here!
> Someone told me this game started at 10:05 cdt. Is this true??/ Who
>in their right mind would go to a game on monday at 11AM????
Well, there's a holiday in Massachusetts called Patriots' Day. Three things
happen on Patriots' Day: almost all businesses are closed, the Sox play a
morning game, and they run the Boston Marathon.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
There is nothing so deadly as not to hold up to people the opportunity to do
great and wonderful things, if we wish to stimulate them in an active way.
- Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Does anyone know the status of Jeffries or Arocha?
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr22.172514.13025@cci632.cci.com> jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) writes:
>From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno)
>Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind?
>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:25:14 GMT
>We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window
>to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows
>that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ??
>
>Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group.
>
>Thanks for any help
>--- John Bruno
>
Apparently, Microsoft came out with a new product: MS-Braille it is suppose
to be "WYTIWIG". :-)
No offense.
Marc Trottier / mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote:
: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:
: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its
: >"current directory".
: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use
: to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then
: invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file
: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on.
This is what I posted that cview uses the root directory of the drive
cview is on. However, since It has so much trouble reading large files
from floppy, I suspect that it uses the root directory of the drive the
image files are on.
Matthew Zenkar
mz@moscom.com
| 1comp.graphics |
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
______________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 20, 1993
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
IN QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION WITH THE PRESS
The Rose Garden
1:36 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: On February the 28th, four federal
agents were killed in the line of duty trying to enforce the law
against the Branch Davidian compound, which had illegally stockpiled
weaponry and ammunition, and placed innocent children at risk.
Because the BATF operation had failed to meet its objective, a 51-day
standoff ensued.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation then made every
reasonable effort to bring this perilous situation to an end without
bloodshed and further loss of life. The Bureau's efforts were
ultimately unavailing because the individual with whom they were
dealing, David Koresh, was dangerous, irrational, and probably
insane.
He engaged in numerous activities which violated both
federal law and common standards of decency. He was, moreover,
responsible for the deaths and injuries which occurred during the
action against the compound in February. Given his inclination
towards violence and in an effort to protect his young hostages, no
provocative actions were taken for more than seven weeks by federal
agents against the compound.
This weekend I was briefed by Attorney General Reno on
an operation prepared by the FBI, designed to increase pressure on
Koresh and persuade those in the compound to surrender peacefully.
The plan included a decision to withhold the use of ammunition, even
in the face of fire, and instead to use tear gas that would not cause
permanent harm to health, but would, it was hoped, force the people
in the compound to come outside and to surrender.
I was informed of the plan to end the siege. I
discussed it with Attorney General Reno. I asked the questions I
thought it was appropriate for me to ask. I then told her to do what
she thought was right, and I take full responsibility for the
implementation of the decision.
Yesterday's action ended in a horrible human tragedy.
Mr. Koresh's response to the demands for his surrender by federal
agents was to destroy himself and murder the children who were his
captives, as well as all the other people who were there who did not
survive. He killed those he controlled, and he bears ultimate
responsibility for the carnage that ensued.
Now we must review the past with an eye towards the
future. I have directed the United Stated Departments of Justice and
Treasury to undertake a vigorous and thorough investigation to
uncover what happened and why, and whether anything could have been
done differently. I have told the departments to involve independent
professional law enforcement officials in the investigation. I
expect to receive analysis and answers in whatever time is required
to complete the review. Finally, I have directed the departments to
cooperate fully with all congressional inquiries so that we can
continue to be fully accountable to the American people.
I want to express my appreciation to the Attorney
General, to the Justice Department, and to the federal agents on the
front lines who did the best job they could under deeply difficult
circumstances.
Again, I want to say as I did yesterday, I am very sorry
for the loss of life which occurred at the beginning and at the end
of this tragedy in Waco. I hope very much that others who will be
tempted to join cults and to become involved with people like David
Koresh will be deterred by the horrible scenes they have seen over
the last seven weeks. And I hope very much that the difficult
situations which federal agents confronted there and which they will
be doubtless required to confront in other contexts in the future
will be somewhat better handled and better understood because of what
has been learned now.
Q Mr. President, can you, first of all, tell us why,
after 51 days, you decided --
Q Mr. President, can you describe for us what it is
that Janet Reno outlined to you in your 15-minute phone conversation
with --
THE PRESIDENT: I can't hear you both. If one will go
first and then the other.
Q Sorry. Can you describe what Janet Reno --
Q Mr. President --
THE PRESIDENT: I'll answer both your questions, but I
can't do it at once.
Q Can you describe what she told you on Sunday about
the nature of the operation and how much detail you knew about it?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I was told by the Attorney General
that the FBI strongly felt that the time had come to take another
step in trying to dislodge the people in the compound. And she
described generally what the operation would be -- that they wanted
to go in and use tear gas which had been tested not to cause
permanent damage to adults or to children, but which would make it
very difficult for people to stay inside the building. And it was
hoped that the tear gas would permit them to come outside.
I was further told that under no circumstances would our
people fire any shots at them even if fired upon. They were going to
shoot the tear gas from armored vehicles which would protect them and
there would be no exchange of fire. In fact, as you know, an awful
lot of shots were fired by the cult members at the federal officials.
There were no shots coming back from the government side.
I asked a number of questions. The first question I
asked is, why now? We have waited seven weeks; why now? The reasons
I was given were the following:
Number one, that there was a limit to how long the
federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the
quality and intensity of coverage by experts there. They might be
needed in other parts of the country.
Number two, that the people who had reviewed this had
never seen a case quite like this one before, and they were convinced
that no progress had been made recently and no progress was going to
be made through the normal means of getting Koresh and the other cult
members to come out.
Number three, that the danger of their doing something
to themselves or to others was likely to increase, not decrease, with
the passage of time.
And number four, that they had reason to believe that
the children who were still inside the compound were being abused
significantly, as well as being forced to live in unsanitary and
unsafe conditions.
So for those reasons, they wanted to move at that time.
The second question I asked the Attorney General is whether they had
given consideration to all of the things that could go wrong and
evaluated them against what might happen that was good. She said
that the FBI personnel on the scene and those working with them were
convinced that the chances of bad things happening would only
increase with the passage of time.
The third question I asked was, has the military been
consulted? As soon as the initial tragedy came to light in Waco,
that's the first thing I asked to be done, because it was obvious
that this was not a typical law enforcement situation. Military
people were then brought in, helped to analyze the situation and some
of the problems that were presented by it. And so I asked if the
military had been consulted. The Attorney General said that they
had, and that they were in basic agreement that there was only one
minor tactical difference of opinion between the FBI and the military
-- something that both sides thought was not of overwhelming
significance.
Having asked those questions and gotten those answers, I
said that if she thought it was the right thing to do, that she
should proceed and that I would support it. And I stand by that
today.
Q Mr. President --
THE PRESIDENT: Wait. Go ahead.
Q Can you address the widespread perception --
reported widely, television, radio and newspapers -- that you were
trying somehow to distance yourself from this disaster?
THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm bewildered by it. The only
reason I made no public statement yesterday -- let me say -- the only
reason I made no public statement yesterday is that I had nothing to
add to what was being said and I literally did not know until rather
late in the day whether anybody was still alive other than those who
had been actually seen and taken to the hospital or taken into
custody. It was purely and simply a question of waiting for events
to unfold.
There was -- I have -- I can't account for why people
speculated one way or the other, but I talked to the Attorney General
on the day before the action took place. I talked to her yesterday.
I called her again late last night after she appeared on the Larry
King Show, and I talked to her again this morning. A President -- it
is not possible for a President to distance himself from things that
happen when the federal government is in control.
I will say this, however. I was, frankly, surprised
would be a mild word, to say that anyone that would suggest that the
Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics
murdered themselves. (Applause.)
I regret what happened, but it is not possible in this
life to control the behavior of others in every circumstance. These
people killed four federal officials in the line of duty. They were
heavily armed. They fired on federal officials yesterday repeatedly,
and they were never fired back on. We did everything we could to
avoid the loss of life. They made the decision to immolate
themselves. And I regret it terribly, and I feel awful about the
children.
But in the end, the last comment I had from Janet Reno,
is when -- and I talked to her on Sunday -- I said, now, I want you
to tell me once more why you believe -- not why they believe -- why
you believe we should move now rather than wait some more. And she
said, it's because of the children. They have evidence that those
children are still being abused and that they're in increasingly
unsafe conditions, and that they don't think it will get any easier
with time -- with the passage of time. I have to take their word for
that. So that is where I think things stand.
Q Can we assume then that you don't think this was
mishandled in view of the outcome, that you didn't run out of
patience? And if you had it to do over again, would you really
decide that way?
THE PRESIDENT: No -- well, I think what you can assume
is just exactly what I announced today. This is a -- the FBI has
done a lot of things right for this country over a long period of
time. This is the same FBI that found the people that bombed the
World Trade Center in lickety-split, record time. We want an inquiry
to analyze the steps along the way. Is there something else we
should have known? Is there some other question they should have
asked? Is there some other question I should have asked? Can I say
for sure that no one -- that we could have done nothing else to make
the outcome come different? I don't know that. That's why I want
the inquiry and that's why I would like to make sure that we have
some independent law enforcement people, not political people, but
totally non-political, outside experts who can bring to bear the best
evidence we have.
There is, unfortunately, a rise in this sort of
fanaticism all across the world. And we may have to confront it
again. And I want to know whether there is anything we can do,
particularly when there are children involved. But I do think it is
important to recognize that the wrong-doers in this case were the
people who killed others and then killed themselves.
Q Mr. President, were there any other options
presented to you for resolving this situation at any point from
February 28th until yesterday?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, yes, I got regular reports all
along the way. There were lots of other options pursued. If you go
back -- you all covered it very well. The FBI -- you did a very good
job of it. I mean, the FBI and the other authorities there pursued
any number of other options all along the way, and a lot of them
early on seemed to be working. Some of the children got out, some of
the other people left. There was a -- at one point, there seemed to
be some lines of communication opening up between Koresh and the
authorities. And then he would say things and not do them and things
just began to spin downward.
Whether there were other -- in terms of what happened
yesterday, the conversation I had with the Attorney General did not
involve other options except whether we should take more time with
the present strategy we were pursuing -- because they said they
wanted to do this, because they thought this was the best way to get
people out of the compound quickly before they could kill themselves.
That's what they thought.
Q Did the government know that the children did not
have gas masks?
Q congressional hearings once the situation -- are
you in agreement with that?
THE PRESIDENT: That's up to the Congress. They can do
whatever they want. But I think it's very important that the
Treasury and Justice Departments launch this investigation and bring
in some outside experts. And as I said in my statement, if any
congressional committees want to look into it, we will fully
cooperate. There is nothing to hide here. This was probably the
most well-covered operation of its kind in the history of the
country.
Go ahead, Sarah.
Q There are two questions I want to ask you. The
first is, I think that they knew very well that the children did not
have gas masks while the adults did, so the children had no chance
because this gas was very -- she said it was not lethal, but it was
very dangerous to the children and they could not have survived
without gas masks. And on February 28th -- let's go back -- didn't
those people have a right to practice their religion?
THE PRESIDENT: They were not just practicing their
religion, they were -- the Treasury Department believed that they had
violated federal laws, any number of them.
Q What federal laws --
THE PRESIDENT: Let me go back and answer -- I can't
answer the question about the gas masks, except to tell you that the
whole purpose of using the tear gas was that it had been tested; they
were convinced that it wouldn't kill either a child or an adult but
it would force anybody that breathed it to run outside. And one of
the things that I've heard -- I don't want to get into the details of
this because I don't know -- but one of the things that they were
speculating about today was that the wind was blowing so fast that
the windows might have been opened and some of the gas might have
escaped and that may be why it didn't have the desired effect.
They also knew, Sarah, that there was an underground
compound -- a bus buried underground where the children could be
sent. And they were -- I think they were hoping very much that if
the children were not released immediately outside that the humane
thing would be done and that the children would be sent someplace
where they could be protected.
In terms of the gas masks themselves, I learned
yesterday -- I did not ask this fact question before -- that the gas
was supposed to stay active in the compound longer than the gas masks
themselves were to work. So that it was thought that even if they
all had gas masks, that eventually the gas would force them out in a
nonviolent, nonshooting circumstance.
MS. MYERS: Last question.
Q Mr. President, why are you still saying that --
Q Could you tell us whether or not you ever asked
Janet Reno about the possibility of a mass suicide? And when you
learned about the actual fire and explosion what went through your
mind during those horrendous moments?
THE PRESIDENT: What I asked Janet Reno is if they had
considered all the worse things that could happen. And she said --
and, of course, the whole issue of suicide had been raised in the
public -- he had -- that had been debated anyway. And she said that
the people who were most knowledgeable about these kinds of issues
concluded that there was no greater risk of that now than there would
be tomorrow or the next day or the day after that or at anytime in
the future. That was the judgment they made. Whether they were
right or wrong, of course, we will never know.
What happened when I saw the fire, when I saw the
building burning? I was sick. I felt terrible. And my immediate
concern was whether the children had gotten out and whether they were
escaping or whether they were inside, trying to burn themselves up.
That's the first thing I wanted to know.
Thank you.
Q Mr. President, why are you still saying it was a
Janet Reno decision? Isn't it, in the end, your decision?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, what I'm saying is that I didn't
have a four- or five-hour, detailed briefing from the FBI. I didn't
go over every strategic part of it. It is a decision for which I
take responsibility. I'm the President of the United States and I
signed off on the general decision and giving her the authority to
make the last call. When I talked to her on Sunday, some time had
elapsed. She might have made a decision to change her mind. I said,
if you decide to go forward with this tomorrow, I will support you.
And I do support her.
She is not ultimately responsible to the American
people; I am. But I think she has conducted her duties in an
appropriate fashion and she has dealt with this situation I think as
well as she could have.
Thank you. (Applause.)
END1:55 P.M. EDT
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Does anyone know if either theophylline or ephedrine, or the two in
combination, can reduce the body's ability to make use of
available water? I had kind of an odd experience on a group hike
recently, becoming dehyrated after about 9 hours of rigorous
hiking despite having brought 1 1/2 gallons of water (c. 6 liters).
I drank close to twice as much as anyone else, and no one else was
dehydrated. I don't think general physical condition was an issue,
since I was in at least the middle of the pack in terms of general
stamina, so far as I could tell.
It may be that I just plain need more water than most people. But I am
wondering if theophylline and/or ephedrine might be aggravating things.
I took a couple of Primatene tablets during the hike to control asthma
(24 mg. ephedrine, 100 mg. theophylline). I gather that both those
drugs are diuretics. So now I'm wondering: does that mean they can
reduce the body's ability to utilize available water? Would it be a
particularly stupid thing to take that medication during hot-weather
exercise? (I always assumed diuresis just meant you urinated a lot, but
that wasn't the case yesterday.)
| 13sci.med |
I just had my 41 Chrysler painted. I was told to refrain from waxing it and
to leave it out in the sun!! Supposedly this let's the volatiles escape from
the paint over a month or so (I can smell it 15 feet away on a hot day) and
lets any slight irregularites in the surface flow out, as the paint remains
a little soft for a while.
| 7rec.autos |
The dead giveaway is the repeated protestations that the new plan is aimed
at "criminals", "drug dealers", "terrorists", etc. You'd think the tactic
would be too obvious to trot out yet again after a decade of Sarah and the
rest of the Brady Bunch using it to destroy the Second Amendment, but evidently
the control nuts feel it will serve them one more time.
As far as the export needs of American companies are concerned, I could
almost believe that the plan to saddle the US industry with a hidden sabotaged
algorithm was invented by a cabal of Japanese lobbyists.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to
>recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In
>otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.
Dammit, how did ArfArf's latest excretion escape my kill file?
Oh, he changed sites. Again. *sigh* OK, I assume no other person
on this planet will ever use the login name of arf.
/arf@/aK:j
--
Mike Van Pelt mvp@netcom.com
"... Local prohibitions cannot block advances in military and commercial
technology.... Democratic movements for local restraint can only restrain
the world's democracies, not the world as a whole." -- K. Eric Drexler
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>(mohamed.s.sadek) writes:
>>
>>I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate.
>>
>>Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans
>>and calling that "moral rape".
>>
>>He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious BIGOTRY"
>Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan Muslims,
>in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world
>war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now.
Where in the world did you get this? Please read history books before
you start talking something
>Satya Prabhakar
Senad Arnautovic
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I am interfacing some simple circuits that run on 9V to my
cpu board which runs at 5-6V. The optoisolator is a 4N35.
On the led side, I put the signal I want through a 10k resistor
to the base of a 2N2222. On the transistor side, I tie my
cpu input line to the collector which has a pull-up resistor
of 47k.
It functions OK, but seems VERY slow. I can detect pulses
that occur at about 2kHz, but not much faster. Isn't the
rise/fall time of this device, something like 5uS? I should
be able to detect my target of 40kHz, but I can't get 16kHz.
This is done using wire-wrap and the wires going to the cpu
and to the test pin are about 8 inches long, but I'm not
doing anything high-speed.
In the Art of Electronics, it mentions tying the base of the
phototransistor to ground through a resistor to improve the
speed. Is that what I need to do? How do I calculate the
resistor value?
--
Paul Malenfant
pmalenfa @ kitkat.webo.dg.com (508-870-6460)
| 12sci.electronics |
In <1993Apr14.230524.9578@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
>In article <zdem0a.734707529@hgo7> zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes:
>[Stuff Deleted]
>>
>>Excuse me, but I understood what Mr. Smith meant. AND, I have often observed
>>when traffic is "blocked solid", that if a few people yeild to the "moron"
>>who is impatiently riding bumpers, the slug at the front of the pack will
>>miraculously wake up, change lanes, and viola! no more jam. Granted the
>>situation here does not apply to rush hour in a crowded city. But I have
>>observed this situation regularly on your average interstate, six or
>>eight sets of cars, side by side, bunched up in a "pack" with open
>>freeway fore and aft as far as you can see. The people who refuse to
>>yeild as a "point of honor" are just as annoying as the slug in the front.
>I agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass, you might
>not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don't want to
>give them that one car-length, when they should just wait like you are.
>BUT, if you're one of those people that just sit's behind the person, and
>doesn't flash them with the high beams, or pull left and flash them, or
>ride their bumper, or otherwise tell them that you *do* in fact want to
>go by, and you're not just drafting them, then get the hell out of the
>way of someone who will! I especially hate it when you flash someone at
>the back of a line and they don't 'pass it on'.
So after I've flashed my lights at the chap in front and he doesn't
'pass it on' (and few if any do), what next? On major highways, 3 or more
lanes in each direction, keeping to the extreme right blocks folks who
are entering. Also, as someone posted in this thread, here in the D.C.
area we have a few left lane exits (sounds like 66). If you wait until
the last minute to get in the left lane you won't, cause these yoyos
won't make room.
We have a particularly bad strech here in Merryland just over the Cabin
John bridge. There are two very long entry ramps which all the hurry-up
yahoos dive into cause they want to get ahead. When we get to the point
where these ramps merge, all hell breaks lose. The result is that traffic
which was moving at 55 on the VA side of the bridge, stalls on t'other
side. If these dingbats had stayed in lane, allowed the folks coming up
the two ramps to merge, we would still be doing 55. Instead we do start-
stop for 4 miles. Dave Barry's idea of a laser equipped car would be
real useful here.
Bob
PS: If you drive the beltway and want to merge, look for a brown Probe
with a silver haired driver, then use your signals - I don't read minds,
but I do try to be courteous. They told me courtesy was contagious, but
I guess the folks around here have had their shots :-/
| 7rec.autos |
Remove LEGEND from the V-8 list, it's a 6.
--
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Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
Seattle University : Phone : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back
>>>>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it
>>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that
>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers?
>>>
>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987
>>>
>>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive
>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)
>
>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to
>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom.
>
Good story, Chuck, but it won't wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci
one (and have it). This AM I couldn't find any reference to
"weight rebound". I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you
cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there.
There is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base,
as usual.
--
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| 13sci.med |
In article <dsblack.733712807@pv6807.vincent.iastate.edu>, dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes:
> I heard on one of these newsgroups a week or two ago that the Kathy Ireland
> Budweiser posters were popular. There are supposedly half-size and life-size
> posters. Well, someone I know got a life-size stand-up cardboard (thick, damn
> good quality) one, and was wondering what it was worth. Anybody?
What about the St. Pat. posters from last year? I have a stack of about
twenty, and two of the card-board cutouts. (No, they are NOT for sale, I
collect them.)
| 6misc.forsale |
************************************************************
* For Sale - Jazz Compact Discs *
************************************************************
I have the following CDs for sale, they are all in mint condition
and are fairly hard to find. They are all on the savoy label and
put out by Dennon (Dennon bought the rights to Savoy and released
these disks)
I would like to sell them all in one package deal but I will consider
individual orders.
These are the titles and artists:
Telefunken Blues Milt Jackson, Kenny Clarke, Percy Heath
Frank Morgan, Frank Wess, Walter Benton
Jazz Concert West Coast The Bopland Boys
Opus De Jazz VOl-2 John Rae, Steve Kuhn, Bobby Jaspar,
Jake Hannah, John Neves
Patterns of Jazz Cecil Payne, Kenny Dorham, Duke Jordan,
Tommy Potter, Art Taylor
Penthouse Serenade Erroll Garner
Footloose Paul Bley
The Imortal Lester Young Lester Young, Count Basie
Great Britain's Marian McPartland, George Shearing
Howard McGhee and Milt Jackson Self Titled
I Just Love Jazz Piano Hampton Hawes, John Mehegan, Herbie Nichols,
Paul Smith
Art Pepper & Sonny Reid Self Titled
Opus De Blues Frank Wess, Thad Jones, Curtis Fuller
Charlie Fowlkes, Hank Jones,
Eddie Jones, Gus Johnson
Jazz is Busting out All Over Too many names to list
Opus in Swing Frank Wess, Kenny Burrell
Freddie Green, Eddie Jones, Kenny Clarke
Jackson's Ville Milt Jackson, Lucky Thompson, Hank Jones
Wendell Marshall, Kenny Clarke
I will take any reasonable offer on the package of the 15 discs
as well as offers on individual discs.
Please E-mail me with a response or call (807) 344-0010
Thanx
Derek
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$\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$
$=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$
$ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr17.052025.10610@news.yale.edu>, (Sean Garrison) says:
>
>I think that
>players' salaries are getting way out of hand to the point that they're on
>a pace to become severely detrimental to baseball's future.
>
so you want to decrease players' salaries?
so you want to increase owners' salaries?
the two are equivalent.
bob vesterman.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <messinaC6B7zL.IHo@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>
>>"The Preferred Applications Development Platform"
>>according to 432 of the Fortune 1000 corporations
>>Survey by Sentry Market Research Survey
>> 1992 1993
>>Unix 18 28
>>Mainframe 35 22
>>DOS & MSW 24 18
>
>Development of what? In-house apps? Maybe, but certainly not apps
>to be sold on an open market. Statistics like that are laughable,
>because they may simply mean that there are not enough shrink-wrapped
>usable apps for UNIX and they have to be developed disproportionately
>often as compared to the installed UNIX base.
>
>t.
>
Actually, you might be surprised to find that not everyone who develops
mainstream DOS and Windows apps develops them under DOS or Windows. PC
Week recently printed a rumor that Microsoft's Excel development group
does its development under OS/2. Another trade rag did an article
recently about a group doing Windows development on Sun SPARCstations
with SoftPC to test out their work. SCO Unix is and has been a
reasonably popular development platform for DOS, Windows, and even OS/2
apps. DOS and Windows are simply not robust or stable enough for
development work, IMHO, and apparently others agree.
--
Marc Fraioli
mfraioli@grebyn.com (So I'm a minimalist...)
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <16BB8C820.SBANKA@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
SBANKA@VM.TEMPLE.EDU writes:
>I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions:
>
>The Brady Bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to
>it in Congress? Did Bush veto it? If so, when?
The Brady Bill passed the House in 1992, but failed to reach a
vote in the Senate. As such, it never reached Bush. (Sarah Brady's
condemnation not-withstanding).
It'll probably pass the House again, and will probably pass the
Senate if they can get it to a vote. Whether of not they'll be busy
with other things will be the question. I don't expect gung-ho opposition
on the part of Senate Republicans, since they won't want to over-use their
fillibuster trump card.
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PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed\
When you pushed me down the elevator shaft\ ... Sometimes I get to
thinking you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al" Yankovic.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
>In article <bskendigC5H91I.Fu3@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>> jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:
>>>
>>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with
>>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample
>>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options
>>>button next to the microphone icon.
>>
>> What's this? My IIvx with an internal CD doesn't have any "CD-Audio"
>> icon...
>I can't find any such option on my Centris 650 either. On the other hand, I
>don't see why I need one. If I try recording sound with the built-in
>microphone with an audio CD playing in the drive, I get the CD audio mixed
>in with the microphone sound.
>And I guess if I unplug the microphone, then I'll get uncontaminated CD
>audio (admittedly sampled at 8 bits through a D-A-D conversion).
Sorry about the misinformation. I made a bad assumption about
the new machines behaving like a Quadra 900, see previous
post. About sampling the CD audio though, have you tried it? I
found the aliasing to be really bad. Like it needed a filter or something.
Much worse than I expected. I installed the CD-300 in the
Quadra myself so maybe I missed something. Everything else
works great though.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I am looking for a VESA local bus Card.
to control my IDE drives, Floppies, game port, parallel port, and most
of all my serial ports. the serial ports must have sockets for the
UARTs and non of this intergraded chipset that generic boards have on
them.
----
Message was posted at outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
#403-478-4010 HST and v.32bis Try it, you'll like it!
| 6misc.forsale |
In evolution of 80-x86 data path width has been doubled from
8 to 16 t0 32 bits but the speed of data processing has not increased at
same rate.The question is Why? What is relationship bettween data path width and data processing speed?
Thanks in advance for the input.
Robert.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
ACLU Official Policies.
Policy 18, for example, opposes rating systems for motion
pictures: "Industry sponsored ratings systems create the
potential for constraining the creative process and thus
contracting the marketplace of ideas. Despite the stated goal of
providing guidance to parents, experience has shown that ratings
inevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of
expression."
In regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, the ACLU states in its
Policy 84: "The insertion of the words `under God' into the
Pledge of Allegiance is a violation of the constitutional
principle of separation of Church and State."
Policy 120 states that, "Military conscription under any
circumstances is a violation of civil liberties and
constitutional guarantees." The ACLU objects to the draft even
during wartime because of the "anti-democratic power it gives
government to wage war without support of the people."
Policy 125 states, "The ACLU calls for a broad-based inquiry into
war crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes
against humanity, and crimes against the peace, focusing upon the
actions of the United States military and other combatants
against the people of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North
Vietnam."
Policy 133 states, "The ACLU recognizes that US government
reliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign
and domestic policy, while propounded as a defense of democracy,
is in fact a great threat to civil liberties. Four decades of
adherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of
our constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount
threat to our civil liberties."
Policy 217 objects to roadblocks "where drivers are stopped for
sobriety tests" because they "violate Fourth Amendment
principles."
Policy 242 states the following on criminal
sentencing: "The most appropriate correctional approach is
reintegrating the offender into the community, and the goals of
reintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the
offender within the community than by incarceration. Probation
should be authorized by the legislature in every case; exceptions
to the principle are not favored, and any exceptions, if made,
should be limited to the most serious of offenses, such as murder
or treason."
Bill Vojak
vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
NRA, ILA,
Colorado Firearms Coalition
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
> > Well, actually, this one's easy. It's their job. The NSA is
> >supposed to develop cryptosystems. If the government chooses to go
> >ahead and sell those cryptosystems to the masses, so be it.
>
> Ah, but developing cryptosystems which are specificially designed to
>protect the government's domestic spying capabilities takes them beyond
>that mandate, into the forbidden field of domestic wiretapping.
>
>
The NSA's charter forbids them from doing any purely domestic
intelligence work, I would think that even providing assistance in
development of the Skipjack algorithom is a violation of that charter.
But as with any intrenched government agency, they will do what they
think is expedent.
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| 11sci.crypt |
Dynakit PAS-2x for sale
It's a pure tube pre-amp, using two 12AX7s in phono stage and also
two 12AX7s in line stage. One 12x4 is used in power supply.
clean in and out
neat workmanship
works fine with good sound
owner's manuel
Asking $100 obo plus shipping. Contact Harry if interested. Thanx.
| 6misc.forsale |
My 85 Caprice Classic with 120K+ miles has finally reached
the threshold of total number of mechanical problems that
I am forced to post :). Anyone out there who might be
able to give me some pointers on one or more of the below,
please e-mail or post!
1. When making turns, especially when accelerating,
there is usually a loud "thunk" from the rear of
of the car. Sounds like it could be the differential.
What could cause this? Is the differential going
bad? I recently had the differential fluid changed,
and it DID have tiny metal bits in it. (And no,
the sound is NOT something rolling around in the
trunk!)
2. On starting the car, I get blue (oil) smoke from
the exhaust for 5-10 seconds. Exhaust valves
going bad? Worn rings? Anyone know whether the
valves on the 4.3 TBI engine can be lapped?
3. Brakes. More pedal travel than I feel comfortable
with, but master cylinder is full and fluid is
relatively clear. Pedal does NOT slowly sink to
the floor when held down. Pedal does not feel
spongey, but I suppose that bleeding the brakes
might help -- could anything else cause this?
4. Tranny. Tranny problems seem to be slowly getting
worse -- takes almost 2 seconds to downshift from
3rd to 2nd on heavy throttle application, and more
recently, it is reluctant to shift from 2nd to 3rd.
Fluid (checked with car running with tranny put
through all the gears and then back to park, as per
Haynes manual) is red and clear, and is on full mark.
5. My springs all around are just about shot -- I have
4 new shocks on, but car still skips out on bumps
in turns at moderate to high speed. How hard are
they to change? Can they be reconditioned?
I'd be interested in hearing from any GM full-size RWD owners
out there with stories to tell and/or advice. Here in Philly,
these cars are apparently stolen(!) quite often and converted
into taxis. Apparently the cab conversion shops will get a
junk title for the car or switch VINs with a car about to be
junked. About 60% of Philly cabs are Caprice's, with most of
the rest being Crown Vic's with a few old New Yorkers and
Impalas (& Broughams).
--
Andrew White
awhite@mcneil.sas.upenn.edu
| 7rec.autos |
In article <sbuckley.735337212@sfu.ca> sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) writes:
>muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes:
>>Mr. Clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the Waco fiasco
>>should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so.
>>Now, I began scratching my head thinking (a bad sign :-), "don't the
>>mainstream religions (in this case Christianity...or the 7th day
>>adventist in particular) just keep these guys going ? Isn't Mr. Clinton
>>condemning his own religion ? After all, isn't it a cult too ?"
>>... bad thoughts these.
> well it depends on whether you take the literal dictionary definition of
>cult and say all faiths are cults, or if you take a more social-context
>view of "cult which allows you to recognize mainstream religions as
>socially-acceptable and cults as groups that involve techniques of brain-
>washing and all the other characteristics that define oppressive [probly not
>the *best* word] cult behaviour.
My understanding of the academic use of the word cult is that it is
a group of people oriented around a single authority figure. It need
not be religious. However, I have seen plenty of religious cults,
including some that mainstream.
eric
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <16BB91429.C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) writes:
> I've recently been reading a paper of Merkle's (publixhed only on the
>net, I think) discussing three potential replacements for DES. Was
>anyting ever done with these? Are Khufu, Khafre, and/or Snefru still
>being discussed anywhere? (I know Snefru is referenced in the RSA
>FAQ, and I think it may also be in the sci.crypt FAQ.)
> On a related topic, can anyone point me toward good sites to find
>papers/articles/discussions of cryptology? I think I've about exhausted
>the Math/Sci library here, which doesn't seem to have anything more recent
>than about '84.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --John Kelsey
Khufu and Khafre are both patented (#5003597). Biham and Shamir showed
that differential cryptanalysis can break 16-round Khafre with a chosen-
plaintext attack using 1500 different encryptions. Khafre with 24 rounds
can be broken with the same attack using 2^53 different encryptions.
(There are probably more efficient differential cryptanalytic attacks, if
someone wants to take the time to look.)
Khufu has key-dependent S-boxes, and is immune to differential cryptanalysis.
Source code for this algorithm (and Khafre) are in the patent.
Snefru is a public-domain one-way hash function. The version of Snefru
that produces a 128-bit hash is vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis
(vulnerable means that the attack is more efficient that brute force) for
four passes or less. Given that, SHA and MD5 are much more efficient.
Oh yes, anyone interested in licensing the patent should contact Dave Petre,
Director of Patent Licencing for Xerox, (203) 986-3231.
Bruce
| 11sci.crypt |
They detect the oscillator operating in the detector. Saw a story about
their use in Canada. Now don't go putting oscillators in your cars... :-)
| 12sci.electronics |
We are searching for one or two instructors for tutorials on advanced
Windows programming under NT. If anyone has attended a course that was
very good, we would really appreciate recommendations.
Please email me directly at paller@fedunix.org; I don't get to see these
newsgroups often enough.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Alan Paller
Tutorials Director
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1pifisINNhsr@dns1.NMSU.Edu> jdiers@dante.nmsu.edu (DIERS) writes:
>
>I own a Stealth 24 card from diamond. When using the 640X480x16.7mil win 3.1
>driver the card and driver work but are not very fast. ALL of the other
>windows drivers have a number of bugs. Shadows remain when windows are
>erased and text boxes are often unreadable. All attempts to get help from
>Diamond have failed. I have called the Tech support and never been able
>to get past the hold line (a toll call) in a reasonable time (ie 10min).
>Leaving voice mail has not helped either. The BBS is a joke! It always
>has too many people on to download anything. You cannot even get a file
>listing (it considers that a download!). I have faxed the tech support group.
>All this with no reponse.
>
>The bottom line is if you are looking for a fast card and want to use it
>for windows, DO NOT get a Diamond product. Try another vendor, I wish I had.
While others here may have had better experiences, I, too, share the
sentiments posted above. Though I have the original Stealth/VRAM,
it is only "relatively" recent that the Windows drivers for this card
have evolved to a point of decent performance. Note that there are
STILL a couple of modes I cannot use (ie. will not) due to shadowing,
mis-drawn check boxes, etc. I believe the version I have is 2.01.
If there's a more recent release, I'd appreciate if someone would
drop me a note to let me know -- I haven't been able to get on their
BBS lately to check again. Naturally, Diamond doesn't even bother
notifying me of fixes/releases.
Diamond was helpful when I finally reached the "right" person in curing
some of my Windows' problems due to an address conflict. The conflicting
addresses (2E0, 2E8) were OMITTED in at least my version of the
Diamond/VRAM manual. I hope it has been corrected by now. The tech rep
explained that ALL S3-based boards use these addresses. I have not
confirmed the validity of that statement.
When I upgrade my motherboard in the near future (hopefully with some
form of local bus), I'll seek a video solution from someone other than
Diamond.
Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author
and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <C6wLIJ.L5K@bailgate.gpsemi.com> wilkinson_m@roborough.gpsemi.com writes:
> Hi All,
> This is the first time I've posted to the net, so I hope this is
> going to the right people.
> I'm looking for software packages that run on an IBM PC clone that
> allows me to display Openlook and motif windows on the PC.
I highly recommend Starnet's Micro-X. They have versions for DOS and Windows,
with support for PC/TCP, or the Clarkson packet drivers. I have used it
successfully with twm, mwm, and olwm, over both ethernet and SLIP.
And their tech support is top notch. They really impressed me.
Kevin
--
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Lead Programmer/Analyst/Keyboardist | Lord Whorfin is supreme..."
Univ. of Pennsylvania Language Analysis Center |
3700 Market St, Suite 202 Phila, PA 19104 | "Vita Non Jerk"
| 5comp.windows.x |
In <30192@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
>In article <C5y93B.708@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>>In article <930423.103637.3O4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>>> > There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that.
>>>> Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say:
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>Speaking as someone who also knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say:
>>>Go ahead, punk, make my day. My degree can beat up your degree.
>>
>>Simple. Take out some physics books, and start looking for statements which
>>say that there is no objective physics. I doubt you will find any. You might
>>find statements that there is no objective length, or no objective location,
>>but no objective _physics_? (Consider, for instance, that speed-of-light-in-
>>vacuum is invariant. This sounds an awful lot like an objective
>>speed-of-light-in-vacuum.)
>Or, you can try not confuse a construct with the constructor. If you take
>a look at Quantum Mechanics, many objective observations can be made
>as well. However, Physics is not objective. Bohr said the randomness
>of atomic motion is inherent in the motion itself. Einstein said that
>nature is deterministic; it is our method of observation that inserts the
>randomness. They were talking about the exact same results.
But neither of them claimed to have experimental evidence that proved
them right. In a similar vein, there is as yet no experimental evidence
for supersymmetric particles; so some physicists believe in them, and
some don't -- but all agree that either there is an objectively true
answer to the question.
>Depends on how you look at it, I guess.
--
Mark Pundurs
any resemblance between my opinions and those
of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Gary Sager (gsager@heliacal.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
>BTW: when encouraging employees to power off monitors when leaving
>work, it was pointed out that this should only be done with monitors
>with the power switch on front. There was some indication that
>monitors with power switches on the rear are not designed to tolerate
>lots of power cycling. This may only apply to the monitors we use, but
>might be worth checking if you happen to have a monitor with the switch
>in back.
I'm not an expert, but having spent much too much of my life looking for
the power switch, or the brightness control, or the de-gauss, etc., etc.,
etc. it is my firm belief that the only reason any
controls/switches/knobs/whatever in places where they are hard to reach is
because the designers put them there deliberately.
The real question is weather this is because of stupidity, or
maliciousness.
--
Charles Herbig
Unable to locate coffee - Operator Halted
masc0983@ucssun1.sdsu.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <SKUKRETI.147.733811021@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca>, SKUKRETI@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Meeesterr Beeeg) writes:
[...]
> Obviously, the West would not want to take on a revolution which
>held popular support [...]
I didn't know that they had internet access on Mars! Perhaps due to the
long time it takes to transmit information there you haven't heard of
Mussadiq, Allende, Castro et al, Yeah definitely "the West would not want
to take on a revolution which held popular support"
At least not on your planet.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
I'm asking for help on a sticky problem involving unreasonably low
apparent precision in Z-buffering, that I've encountered in 2 different
PEX implementations. I can't find any discussion of this problem in any
resources I can lay hands on (e.g. the comp.windows.x.pex FAQ, Gaskins's
_PEXlib_Programming_Manual_, vendors' documentation).
I'm posting this article by itself on comp.graphics, and virtually the
same article with a test program demonstrating the problem on
comp.windows.x.pex. The problem is hard to describe without pictures,
hence this article is longish. If you can run PEXlib 5.x programs and
are interested, I encourage you to build and run the test program in
comp.windows.x.pex to see the effect yourself and play with my approach
to dealing with it. (It depends on the utility code from the above
Gaskins book; instructions for fetching it via anonymous FTP are given.)
The problem to be solved is to eliminate or minimize "stitching"
artifacts resulting from the use of Z-buffering with polylines that are
coplanar with filled areas. The interpolated Z values along a line will
differ slightly, due to roundoff error, from the interpolated Z values
across an area, even when the endpoints of the line are coincident with
vertices of the area. Because of this, it's a tossup whether the
Z-buffer will allow the line pixels or the area pixels to be displayed.
Visually, the result tends to be a dashed-line effect even though the
line is supposed to be solid.
Using the PEXlib API, my approach to a solution is to use two slightly
different PEX view mapping transforms, in two view table entries, one
for the areas and one for the lines. The PEX structures or immediate-
mode output must be organized so that one view table index is always in
effect for areas, and the other is always in effect for lines. The
result is a slight shift in NPC Z coordinates for the lines, so as to
attempt to bias the tossup situations in favor of the lines.
This shift is effected by moving the front and back clipping planes used
in the PEXlib view table entry for lines just a hair "backwards" (i.e.
smaller VRC Z coordinates), compared to their positions in the view
table entry used for areas. This means that when a point is transformed
to NPC, its Z value will be slightly bigger if it comes from a line than
if it comes from an area, thus accomplishing the desired bias.
I would expect the Z roundoff errors which cause the problem to amount
to a few units at most, out of the entire dynamic range of the Z-buffer,
typically from 0 to 65535 if not 16777215 (i.e. 16 or 24 bit Z-buffers).
Therefore, it seems that a tiny fraction of the range of Z in VRC
between the front and back clip planes ought to suffice to reliably fix
the stitching.
But in fact, experience shows that the shift has to be as much as 0.003
to 0.006 of the range. (Empirically, it's worst when the NPC Z
component of the slope of the surface is high, i.e. when it appears more
or less edge-on to the viewer.) It's as if only 8 or 9 bits of the
Z-buffer have any dependable meaning! This amount is so great that one
problem is replaced by another: sometimes the polylines "show through"
areas which they are supposed to lie behind.
I've observed the problem on both Hewlett-Packard and Digital
workstation PEX servers, to approximately the same degree. The test
program demonstrates the problem on an MIT PEXlib 5.x implementation;
this version is known to compile and run on an HP-UX system with PEX
5.1.
Open questions:
(1) Why does this happen?
-- Am I configuring the PEX view table wrongly?
-- Is there a systematic difference in Z interpolation for lines
as opposed to areas (e.g. pixel centers versus corners) which
could be corrected for?
-- Are PEX implementors wantonly discarding Z precision in their
interpolators?
-- Something else?
(2) What to do about it?
-- Can I fix my use of the view table to allow better precision
in Z-buffered HLHSR?
-- Is there another approach I can take to remove the stitching
artifacts?
-- Am I just out of luck?
Any help would be immensely appreciated!
--
===============================================================================
Dave Gorgen Internet: gorgen@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com
Applicon Inc. gorgen@aaaca1.sinet.slb.com
Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA) UUCP: ...!uunet!sharkey!applga!gorgen
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr29.201420.19271@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk writes:
>
>In article <1rohjc$avt@cc.tut.fi>, jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia
>Juhana) writes:
>
>>I wrote something about making color modifications quickly
>>with 8bit quantized images and only at the saving the image to file
>>process we have to make the modifications to the 24bit image.
>>This makes sense, because the main use of XV is only viewing images.
>>
>>Doing many changes to image, we should keep all modifications
>>in a buffer; and then before making the operations to 24bit image,
>>we should simplify the operation list for unnecessary operations.
>>
>Think about what you are saying here. The 24 bit image is quantised down to 8
>bits so many 'similar' colours are mapped onto a single palette colour. This
>colour gets modified in fairly arbitrary ways. You then want to apply these
>modifications back to the 24 bit file, so you have to find which
>colours mapped to this one palette colour.
I suppose you don't know what about we have discussed.
We discussed about error(s) in XV 2.21 which shows images only as 8bit,
and my suggestion above works perfectly with it.
So far I have seen a colormap editing window in XV -- that is, there
must be a colormap anyway. The problems you present are exist anyway,
and I didn't tried to solve them at all, because I would not make such
problems to my programs in the first place.
Gamma and color corrections are easily done to 24bit image
as I presented. There's no need make tricks from 8bit/quantized image
back to 24 bit image.
>>>How would you suggest doing colour editing on a 24 bit file? How
>>>would you group 'related' colours to edit them together? Only global
>>>changes could be done unless the software were very different and
>>>much more complicated.
Ok, you're writing about situation that user want edit images as 24bit
and user want edit individual colors -- your questions, by the way,
jumps off the discussion a bit.
My solution doesn't work, because there's no colormap withing real 24bit
image -- you see, user see 24bit image; going back to 8bit is silly.
About changing individual colors in 8bit/quantized/rasterized image:
changing individual colors in colormap is useless in most
cases if the image is quantized and rasterized -- small change may
make serious errors to anywhere in the image.
XV allows this feature, but I don't recommend to use it with the
mentioned type images.
Moreover, XV is not a paint program; you can only make those global
changes. In full 24bit XV, changing individual colors sounds like
paint program job.
If person have 8bit screen, there's need for tricks to get the
original 24bit image modified. Because user don't see full 24bit
image, there's need to make approximations and it is not possible to
modify individual colors but individual pixels or pixel groups (if
image is rasterized). To select indiavidual color, there could be 7x7
cursor window which shows true color image in cursor window area --
selecting individual color is possible from that.
Ok, I don't have thought very much 24bit painting programs, never seen
such in good view and are not planned to make such. Not to mention
24bit painting program in 8bit screen...
>Yes again. What *is* (was?) wrong with xv?
It saved 8bit/quantized/rasterized images as 24bit jpegs; jpeg is not
designed for that.
Also, human expect that 24bit will be saved as 24bit image; say,
person would like to crop part of the image and save it, then it is
expected that the image still is the same. So, XV were designed
without thinking about human interface and how human expect the
program work -- design error.
I have heard XV were designed first for 8bit images/files, but
it were not good idea to take full 24bit images without making
major change to the original design.
So, even all screen images are 8bit, the processed images and saved
images could have been 24bit very easily, instead of 8bit.
Before anybody will make a note: yes, I may as well make a lift where
'up' means that the lift goes down and 'down' means that the lift goes
up, and put a note on this design solution to the manuals -- however,
even the manuals tells the correct situation, it doesn't solve the problem.
(Americans: the lift is just an example :)
Well, my text may be a bit hard reading, hopefully you suggeeded to
read it.
Juhana Kouhia
| 1comp.graphics |
I don't know who's next, but I hope it's people who pick their noses
while driving.
--
John Berryhill
| 19talk.religion.misc |
OK...here is my question. I want to hook up my PowerBook 160 to
a SVGA monitor but I do not want to buy the PowerBook/DOS Companion. Can
anyone tell me the EXACT cable I need to connect them? If there is such
a cable, can I purchase it from MacWharehouse or some computer store?
If I must buy the cable from James Engineering, how much do they run and
how can I get a hold them??? I guess that was more than 'a' question. :)
Thanks in advance for any replys.
John Schrieber E-mail: schriejh@cnsvax.uwec.edu
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:
>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and
>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish
>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up
>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and
>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know
>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but
>humor us. Thanks for your help.
>
Oh... I forgot... Art Shamsky, former Red and Mets player. Batted .301
between injuries in 1969 (fell short of qualifying for Top 10 because of
injuries and platoon with Ron Swoboda; no Swobo wasn't Jewish).
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I read in a recent Tidbits(171-2?) about the possibility of putting
a 68030 in a PB100. I am interested in doing so, but would like
to know more about it. Does it involve just replacing the 68000 that
is on the daughterboard, or does it involve getting a new daughter-
board. Also, would the 68030 be able to run QT with the PB100's
screen(not pretty I know, but possible?) And of course, what would
the damage be ($). Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance. Jay Fogel
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I am planning on upgrading my old XT compatible system with a new
motherboard, hard drive, and 1.4 MB floppy.
I am interested in using my old power supply (150 W) to power the new
hardware, if possible.
I have been told by the motherboard vendor that I could probably
use the supply if it had twelve wires going to the motherboard.
(Apparently some XT vintage supplies had only 11 wires -- the
12th wire is a 5v line used to charge the motherboard battery).
My question is has anybody tried bringing an additional wire
out of an 11 wire supply OR using an auxiliary power source
to charge the motherboard battery?
I do not wish to buy an entirely new power supply if I can
make use of my existing one with simple hacks.
Thank you for any information.
An email reply to rarbanas@rcsuna.gmr.com would be fine.
-Larry Arbanas
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Matthew Rush writes:
>Is there an award for "best back-up behind a hockey great"?
>Underneath all the hype about Lemieux, Stevens, Jagr, Ulf,
>etc., Ron Francis has quietly put together a 100 point season
>(24 goals and 76 assists in 84 games). That was probably the
>best acquisition the Penguins have made since getting Lemieux
>(apologies to Rick Tocchet, who has had a hell of a year
>himself). The Pens got just the right person at just the right
>time when they got Francis before the playoffs two years ago to
>back-up Mario. Who was the second-line center before they got
>Francis? I remember Randy Gilhen (who really plays tough, an
>ace in the face-off circle), but nobody with all the skills
>Francis has: scoring, passing, winning face-offs, and putting
>100% into every game, every night. Just wanted to glow a
little.
I know what you mean! I glow everytime Ronnie's out on the ice.
In fact, one of the neatest things about seeing the Pens in person
is that I can key in on him instead of watching what I'd probably
be seeing on tv. He does so many subtle things behind the play.
He said in an interview recently that when he was a kid his dad
stressed the importance of playing two-way hockey; that you have to
learn how to play defense as well as offense and he obviously took
that advice to heart. He was a breath of fresh air when he arrived
in Pittsburgh to the team whose forwards, for the most part, couldn't
and wouldn't play a lick of defense.
It's really difficult to assess what the key trades were that brought
all of this success to the Pens. You mention Rick Tocchet and he has
certainly helped, and even ol' Kjell has been steady. But looking at
this team you could almost take any one of them out of the line-up
permanently and replace them with an extremely mediocre player and it
wouldn't matter.
If I had to pick the top three acquisitions in recent years they would
be 1) Tom Barrasso; 2) Ron Francis; 3) Larry Murphy. (I'd love to put
Francis first but I do think the only thing that could really damage
the Pens right now would be to lose Barrasso.)
Mom.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In <strnlghtC5uIJ4.76t@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>In article <ELEE9SF.93Apr21095141@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU>
>elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes:
>>
>>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an "open system" from
>>elsewhere?
>Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was
>more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like
>to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my
>services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid
>information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments
>which would aid them.
>I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities.
>The President and many other senior government officials have made it very
>clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the
>"coincidence of interests" argument as well as on a basic trust in their
>professionalism and a high confidence in their skills.
>David
>--
>David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
> our information, errors and omissions excepted.
Nothing but errors and omissions here!
--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <21APR199314025948@elroy.uh.edu> st156@elroy.uh.edu (Fazia Begum Rizvi) writes:
>Seems to me that a lot of good muslims would care about those terms.
>Especially those affected by the ideology and actions that such terms
>decscribe. The Bosnians suffering from such bigotry comes to mind. They
>get it from people who call them 'dirty descendants of Turks', from
>people who hate their religion, and from those who don't think they are
>really muslims at all since they are white. The suffering that they are
Let us not forget about the genocide of the Azeri people in 'Karabag'
and x-Soviet Armenia by the Armenians. Between 1914 and 1920, Armenians
committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of
despotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned
them, raped women and girls in front of their parents who were bound
hand and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers and appropriated
personal property and real estate. And today, they put Azeris in the most
unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in history.
AREF SADIKOV sat quietly in the shade of a cafe-bar on the
Caspian Sea esplanade of Baku and showed a line of stitches in
his trousers, torn by an Armenian bullet as he fled the town of
Hojali just over three months ago, writes Hugh Pope.
"I'm still wearing the same clothes, I don't have any others,"
the 51-year-old carpenter said, beginning his account of the
Hojali disaster. "I was wounded in five places, but I am lucky to
be alive."
Mr Sadikov and his wife were short of food, without electricity
for more than a month, and cut off from helicopter flights for 12
days. They sensed the Armenian noose was tightening around the
2,000 to 3,000 people left in the straggling Azeri town on the
edge of Karabakh.
"At about 11pm a bombardment started such as we had never heard
before, eight or nine kinds of weapons, artillery, heavy
machine-guns, the lot," Mr Sadikov said.
Soon neighbours were pouring down the street from the direction
of the attack. Some huddled in shelters but others started
fleeing the town, down a hill, through a stream and through the
snow into a forest on the other side.
To escape, the townspeople had to reach the Azeri town of Agdam
about 15 miles away. They thought they were going to make it,
until at about dawn they reached a bottleneck between the two
Armenian villages of Nakhchivanik and Saderak.
"None of my group was hurt up to then ... Then we were spotted by
a car on the road, and the Armenian outposts started opening
fire," Mr Sadikov said.
Azeri militiamen fighting their way out of Hojali rushed forward
to force open a corridor for the civilians, but their efforts
were mostly in vain. Mr Sadikov said only 10 people from his
group of 80 made it through, including his wife and militiaman
son. Seven of his immediate relations died, including his
67-year-old elder brother.
"I only had time to reach down and cover his face with his hat,"
he said, pulling his own big flat Turkish cap over his eyes. "We
have never got any of the bodies back."
The first groups were lucky to have the benefit of covering fire.
One hero of the evacuation, Alif Hajief, was shot dead as he
struggled to change a magazine while covering the third group's
crossing, Mr Sadikov said.
Another hero, Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali, said he and
several others spent the whole day of 26 February in the bushy
hillside, surrounded by dead bodies as they tried to keep three
Armenian armoured personnel carriers at bay.
As the survivors staggered the last mile into Agdam, there was
little comfort in a town from which most of the population was
soon to flee.
"The night after we reached the town there was a big Armenian
rocket attack. Some people just kept going," Mr Sadikov said. "I
had to get to the hospital for treatment. I was in a bad way.
They even found a bullet in my sock."
Victims of war: An Azeri woman mourns her son, killed in the
Hojali massacre in February (left). Nurses struggle in primitive
conditions (centre) to save a wounded man in a makeshift
operating theatre set up in a train carriage. Grief-stricken
relatives in the town of Agdam (right) weep over the coffin of
another of the massacre victims. Calculating the final death toll
has been complicated because Muslims bury their dead within 24
hours.
Photographs: Liu Heung / AP
Frederique Lengaigne / Reuter
THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:
>
>>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within
>>>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the
>>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab
>>>land ?
>
>> Huh? A war was started when several armies invaded Israel,
>>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea. Most Jews wanted to live in
>>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship.
>
>It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely
>predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril
>well before the Arab invasion. As I have said elsewhere Lt Col Lorch has
>said that Hagana forces were fighting well before the Arabs invaded as in
>months before. As for Jews wanting to live in peace that to is entirely
>arguable. I think it is easy enough to show that the Labour party leadership
>had no such intention at all. As for the Arabs who 'stayed' don't you mean
>those who were not expelled? Even some of those who did 'stay' were not
>granted citizenship but expelled after the fighting had stopped anyway.
>
>Joseph Askew
>
How do you define war? Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages
count as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them?
January, 1948: Arab Liberation Army attacks Kfar Szold
1000 men attack Kfar Etzion, 14 miles south of Jerusalem,
after cutting off the supply lines to it.
Attacks on Yehiam (Western Galilee) and kibbutz Tirat Tzvi.
By Mid-March, The Jewish settlements in the Negev had been cut off from
land links with the rest of the Jewish population.
The Etzion group of villiages, near Hebron, had been cut off,
while 42 members of a convoy trying to supply Yehiam were
slaughtered, cutting off the villiage.
Jerusalem was under seige, being cut off from its supply route from
Tel Aviv (the bombed out supply trucks have been left on the side
of that road to this day in memoriam). By this time, 1200 Jews
had been killed.
Of course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking.
Just like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets
against Northern israel. Where does uprising end and war begin?
Will it still be 'Intifadah' when the PLO brings in tanks?
>--
>Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,
>jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.
>Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,
>Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.
Amir
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes:
>Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were
>responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the
>new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and
>Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay
>the body at the proper door to start with.
The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result
would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported
this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so
obviously doing. I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton
administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it
and brought it to fruition.
Both of the major parties have what they consider excellent reasons
for limiting your freedoms and violating your privacy, and even seem
to feel that they're doing you a favor. If this is really surprising
to anyone it means they've been willfully ignoring quite a bit of
previous evidence. There's only one political party (not calling
anarchists a party) that considers your freedom and privacy goals
worthy in and of themselves. If you're voting for the big two, you're
supporting a reduction of those rights (given their goals and their
histories), regardless of whether you personally support that
reduction. To paint Clinton and Gore as unwitting tools is really
stretching things.
--
When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. -- Churchill
| 11sci.crypt |
NOTE: Saturday, April 20th's scores should be sent out by this coming Friday.
MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 20th, 1993
(including yesterday's games)
NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
San Francisco Giants 08 05 .615 -- 7-3 Won 1 05-02 03-03
Houston Astros 07 05 .583 0.5 7-3 Won 1 02-04 05-01
Atlanta Braves 07 07 .500 1.5 4-6 Lost 1 04-03 03-04
Los Angeles Dodgers 06 07 .462 2.0 4-6 Won 3 03-03 03-04
San Diego Padres 05 07 .417 2.5 5-5 Won 3 03-04 02-03
Colorado Rockies 04 07 .364 3.0 4-6 Lost 1 03-03 01-04
Cincinnati Reds 03 09 .250 4.5 2-8 Won 1 02-04 01-05
NATIONAL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies 09 03 .750 -- 7-3 Won 1 05-01 04-02
Pittsburgh Pirates 07 05 .583 2.0 5-5 Lost 3 03-02 04-03
St. Louis Cardinals 07 05 .583 2.0 6-4 Lost 3 04-02 03-03
New York Mets 06 05 .545 2.5 5-5 Lost 1 02-03 04-02
Chicago Cubs 06 06 .500 3.0 5-5 Lost 1 03-03 03-03
Montreal Expos 06 06 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 1 03-03 03-03
Florida Marlins 04 08 .333 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 02-04 02-04
AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
Texas Rangers 08 03 .727 -- 7-3 Won 2 04-02 04-01
California Angels 06 04 .600 1.5 6-4 Lost 1 03-02 03-02
Minnesota Twins 06 05 .545 2.0 6-4 Lost 1 03-03 03-02
Chicago White Sox 05 07 .417 3.5 4-6 Lost 3 02-03 03-04
Seattle Mariners 05 07 .417 3.5 4-6 Won 1 03-02 02-05
Oakland Athletics 04 06 .400 3.5 4-6 Lost 4 04-02 00-04
Kansas City Royals 03 09 .250 5.5 3-7 Won 1 01-05 02-04
AMERICAN EAST
Boston Red Sox 10 03 .769 -- 7-3 Won 3 06-01 04-02
Detroit Tigers 07 05 .583 2.5 7-3 Lost 1 05-01 02-04
Toronto Blue Jays 07 05 .583 2.5 6-4 Won 1 04-02 03-03
New York Yankees 06 06 .500 3.5 5-5 Lost 2 03-03 03-03
Milwaukee Brewers 04 05 .444 4.0 4-5 Won 2 02-02 02-03
Cleveland Indians 05 08 .385 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 04-03 01-05
Baltimore Orioles 04 07 .364 5.0 4-6 Won 1 02-03 02-04
YESTERDAY'S SCORES
(IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order)
NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE
Houston Astros PPD Chicago White Sox 0
Chicago Cubs RAIN Boston Red Sox 6
Atlanta Braves IDLE Toronto Blue Jays 7
Cincinnati Reds IDLE Cleveland Indians 1
Colorado Rockies IDLE Seattle Mariners 10
Florida Marlins IDLE Detroit Tigers 6
Los Angeles Dodgers IDLE Baltimore Orioles IDLE
Montreal Expos IDLE California Angels IDLE
New York Mets IDLE Kansas City Royals IDLE
Philadelphia PhilliesIDLE Milwaukee Brewers IDLE
Pittsburgh Pirates IDLE Minnesota Twins IDLE
St. Louis Cardinals IDLE New York Yankees IDLE
San Francisco Giants IDLE Oakland Athletics IDLE
San Diego Padres IDLE Texas Rangers IDLE
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jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I wrote:
: : bit of it, you could take the tape over to a local ham operator's house
: : and ask him for his opinion of what you're hearing. Most communities
:
: You cannot do that legally. However, you can ask a ham over to listen.
: If the interference occurs at a specific time each day, then it would
: be possible to do such scheduling. If nothing else, you could invite
: the ham over to transmit from your driveway, to see if he interferes.
: If he does, then you probably need to have your equipment worked on to
: make it immune to rf interference.
As a coupld of people have pointed out - this is wrong. It is not illegal
to record or disclose what you heard on the Ham bands.
Bill
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1483500350@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested
>who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige.
Trumpets, please.
>My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My
>mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the 'undesirables'
>(at that times this group was defined as 'Jews'). She was forced to go
>to Palestine due to many cynical factors.
"Forced to go to Palestine." How dreadful. Unlike other
undesirables/Jews, she wasn't forced to go into a gas chamber, forced
under a bulldozer, thrown into a river, forced into a "Medical
experiment" like a rat, forced to march until she dropped dead, burned
to nothingness in a crematorium. Your mother was "forced to go to
Palestine." You have our deepest sympathies.
>I have meanwhile settled in Iceland (30 years ago)
We are pleased to hear of your escape. At least you won't have to
suffer the same fate that your mother did.
>and met many people who were thrown out from
>my homeland, Palestine,
Your homeland, Palestine?
>because of the same reason (they belonged to
>the 'indesirables').
Should we assume that you are refering here to Jews who were kicked
out of their homes in Jerusalem during the Jordanian Occupation of
East Jerusalem? These are the same people who are now being called
thieves for re-claiming houses that they once owned and lived in and
never sold to anyone?
>These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem
>with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare
>not Jews.
I have never heard of NOT being a Jew as a crime. Certainly in
Israel, there is no such crime. In some times and places BEING a Jew
is a crime, but NOT being a Jew??!!
>My conscience does not accept such injustice, period.
Our brains do not accept your logic, yet, either.
>My
>work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism
>and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices
>in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based
>on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism
>from Israel.
The way you've written this, you seem to accept criticism in the Arab
world UNLESS it deflects criticism from Israel, in which case, we have
to presume, you no longer support criticism of the Arab world.
>The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal.
Look who's taling about discrimination now!
>The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities
>undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command
>the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal
>institution and works with minimal funds.
Be careful. You are starting to sound like Barfling.
>Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published
>several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe.
>
>I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in
>a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful.
Good. Don't call yourself "ARF" or "the Center for Policy Research",
either.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr15.040231.17561@c3p0.novell.de> pbartok@c3p0.novell.de (Peter D. Bartok) writes:
>> Great! But don't let your effort and talent be un-noticed.
>> Put the program on the net, upload it to some anonymous ftp
>> sites. So people (at least me) can have it and appreciate it.
>
> Please put it into ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/incoming/pc
OK, the small programme that can be used to switch a SunCD drive into
2048 bytes/block mode for use with MSDOS/Adaptec/APSI it now available
by 'ftp' from
ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/pc/adaptec/cdblksize.zip
--
Juergen Keil jk@tools.de ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I have a question about tires for my Guzzi. It is a '75 850-T. The tires that
were on it when I just bought it are old and cracked. I do not have an
owners manual for it (yet), but the tires listed in the Haynes manual are:
Front, 3,50 H 18 ; Rear 4.10 H 18, and pressures recommended are 26 front and
33 rear. Oddly, the pressure for the same tire on the T-3 is listed at 29 psi
instead. Anyone know the reason? As I know though, the pressure I should run
at is that recommended by the manufacturer of the new tires I purchase.
The real question I have is this. The old tires that are on the bike are for
the front, a Metzler Touring Special, 4.10 H 18, and for the rear an Avon
Roadrunner 4.70 H 18, (120/90) H 18 as marked on each tire. Both are larger
than that listed in the Haynes Manual. What does the owners manual recommend,
and was it common to go up one size for this bike? Also, this will be my first
motorcycle with innertubes. Any comments on the various manufacturers inner
tube qualities?
The above sizes are inches (except for the additional mark on the current
rear tire). What is the best metric match? The local BMW dealer thought
100/90 H 18 on the front and 120/90 H 18 on the back. He also happens to be
very good at getting close to matching mail order prices.
I am thinking of going with a Metzler ME33 Laser (possibly Comp K) on the
front and ME88 on the back, both in MBS variety if possible (the longer
lasting belting system). I already use the ME33 on both the Vision and
FJ for the front, and like it, and I thought that with the shaft drive
behavior and torque from the Guzzi that the ME88 might give more predictable
back end control and sliding behavior than a ME55 might, as well as giving
much better tire milage life. Any comments?
A friend told me he thought that my bike had Boranni rims which are very
good, but are relatively soft and have delicate sidewalls. I do not wish to
mount the tires myself this first time, so aside from warning the shop to be
careful, any other comments I should make? I havn't looked at the rim to
check out the make yet, if it is marked. He just told me late yesterday and
I havn't had a chance to check the rim type.
On another note. I will remove the ugly (but in good shape....anyone want it?)
Vetter fairing, and I will run without a windscreen for a while, but eventually
I would like a simple rounded cafe' style quarter fairing for it. It could be
fork/handlebar mounted. Any suggestions? Is there such a thing as a frame
mounted quarter fairing of the cafe' style for this bike? How about lower
bars/clip-ons for it? I would like to restore the bike into a good condition
runner with a few modern updates, but while not being historically exactly
accurate still have it reflect relatively well a representation of the cafe'
style. (Yes I know to be picky, that period really predates this bike....it is
just that this bike has such potential for _that_ look.)
-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
edw@boi.hp.com Disk Memory Division, MS475
(208)323-2174 P.O. Box 15 Boise,Idaho 83707
89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98
-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
edw@boi.hp.com Disk Memory Division, MS475
(208)396-2174 P.O. Box 15 Boise,Idaho 83707
89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <C5pIsw.Kq8@cs.mcgill.ca> gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium) writes:
>... NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference,
>no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used
>the NEC 5FG would be appreciated since I want to get one right after
>my exams are all done (ie: about a week from now).
I have a 5FG and think it is great. I haven't seen the Nanao's so I
can't compare, but the 5FG image is very sharp and the color contrast is
*extremely* good. I've used other Trinitron monitors (e.g. a Sun SS2 color
monitors, which is a 19" Trinitron), and think the 5FG is at least as good,
perhaps brighter, and has *none* of these silly horizontal lines running across.
BTW, I could be wrong, but I thought that the 5FGe is slower as well
as missing ACCUCOLOR. It may not be able to handle 1280x1024 the way the 5FG
can.
Cheers,
Dan Ts'o
Div. Neuroscience 713-798-3100
Baylor College of Medicine
1 Baylor Plaza S603
Houston, TX 77030 tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In <C5sv4r.HFA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
[and quotes a lot of stuff unnecessarily]
>In article <93869@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes:
>>
>> [worth posting again ;-]
>>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys,
>>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming
>>houses and violating civil rights under color of law.
>>
>>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution?
>Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the
>snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the
>name of 'self defense.'
>Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter.
Ain't got a pair of fatigues... and I don't blast people wandering aimlessly,
I ask them what they're doing there... I only blast people who display
obvious violent intent... like black-clad men with weapons climbing thru
second-story windows, or people who break down the door instead of knocking.
Or people who knock my house down with tanks and set it afire. Sound
familiar yet?
Riddle me this: Why the hell are the CONVICTED CRIMINALS in Ohio getting
the kid glove treatment, and the BD's are burned alive without a trial?
Put aside who started the blaze, I still think any decent shyster can
make a case for cruel and unusual punishment, playing the sounds of
tortured rabbits over the loudspeakers (where's the SPCA in all this?)...
Oh, and that's Mister gun-toter SIR to you, bucko. Just because you choose
to abandon your rights, leave mine the hell alone, thankyouverymuch.
Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
Impeach Clinton, Reno -- the case is prima facie.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I am having trouble obtaining the specified standby current drain from
a MC146818A Real Time Clock. Has anyone out there had some experience
in doing this? The specs call for a few sequences to be met before
standby mode is activated, and are a bit hard to decipher on that, but
I thought that I had it worked out. However, with a 32kHz crystal the
lowest current drain I can acheive at 3.7V Vcc is 150uA. This is
three times the specified MAXIMUM under the conditions I am attempting
to create.
I have done the following things:
1) Made sure that RESET/ is asserted for Trlh after powerup, and AS is
low during this time.
2) Made sure that there is a cycle on AS after the negation of RD/ or
WR/ during which STBY/ was asserted.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks very much,
Martin.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>,
cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked
|> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar.
Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look
at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.
Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...
(MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!)
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr15.215428.11116@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should
>>be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about
>>the transmission and taking my chances.
>
> There should be no worries about the trans.
>
>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
>
> Does this count?
Yes. He thought about it.
>
>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
> return...)
>
>Later,
>--
>Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
>agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr19.113255.27550@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote:
> >Fred, the problem with such reasoning is that for us non-believers
> >we need a better measurement tool to state that person A is a
> >real Muslim/Christian, while person B is not. As I know there are
> >no such tools, and anyone could believe in a religion, misuse its
> >power and otherwise make bad PR. It clearly shows the sore points
> >with religion -- in other words show me a movement that can't spin
> >off Khomeinis, Stalins, Davidians, Husseins... *).
>
> I don't think such a system exists. I think the reason for that is an
> condition known as "free will". We humans have got it. Anybody, using
> their free-will, can tell lies and half-truths about *any* system and
> thus abuse it for their own ends.
I don't think such tools exist either. In addition, there's no such
thing as objective information. All together, it looks like religion
and any doctrines could be freely misused to whatever purpose.
This all reminds me of Descartes' whispering deamon. You can't trust
anything. So why bother.
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
| 0alt.atheism |
(Detroit, April 19)
In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings
scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en
route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs.
The Leafs could not be faulted, as they completely dominated the inferior
Detroit squad and clearly deserved to win. Only the biased officiating of
Andy Van Hellemond and the idiots that insisted upon throwing an octopus on
the ice at every stoppage in an obvious attempt to distract the superior
visiting side prevented an all-out massacre of the Wings by the league's best
team.
Alan
P.S. This is sweet, Roger. So sweet. I look forward to the next installment on
Wednesday night. I trust you do, too.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I've had a Valentine for about 9 months now and I agree that it is the best det
ector available. The point here is trust and reliability. I've been able to "tr
ust" the Valentine more than any other detector I've owend. If the Valentine sa
ys that there is a moderate to strong radar source in front of me, then it's mo
re than likely to be a speed trap. With my other detectors, I've gotten so many
falses that I've begun to ignore someo of the warnings because I didn't want t
o drive like I had one foot on the brake and one on the gas pedal.
That directional indicator really, really helps. Plus, more info is almost alwa
ys better than less info. No matter how smart radar detectors get, the human br
ain is usually smarter. So, if I'm going to make a decisio based on information
at hand, I want all the info I can get. Plus, if you divide the overall streng
th of the radar signal by the number of bogeys reported, you'll find that each
bogey is pretty weak and therefore not a radar threat. With other detectors, yo
u'll just get one strong warning. My logic may be faulty on this, but I think i
t works okay.
Although, I must admit that I haven't really noticed the reflection problem of
one radar souce.
Thomas
| 7rec.autos |
In article <Apr.15.00.58.22.1993.28891@athos.rutgers.edu>
ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) writes:
> One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is
>when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic.
>
>We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again
>christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to
>christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were
>"spiritually hungry." Instead of answering questions with sweetness and
>sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, "flame" the queries.
Although I certainly agree with the basic sentiment that snideness is
unloving and ineffective, I'm a little disturbed by the formulation that
ill temper is not a Christian trait. It seems like a false argument to
say that anyone who displays trait X must not be a Christian. Could
well be a sinning Christian, but a Christian nonetheless.
Anger is human, and Christians are
human: Christians get angry and defensive and react badly just like
everyone else. It's not perfect righteousness but the effort of seeking
righteousness that marks a dedicated Christian. And one of the greatest
gifts of faith to me is that of seeking and accepting forgiveness for
my failures. Expecting flawless behavior from self or others isn't
Christianity: it's perfectionism.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1ppvhtINN814@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>, glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes:
|> In the Xlib Programming Manual (O'Rielly Associates) it is pointed out
|> that routines for drawing splines is not included in Xlib, but extensions
|> are publicly available. I need spline routines which work within the X
|> environment.
|>
|> I have previously posted a similar request and got two responses, both
|> directing me to the Interviews package at interviews.stanford.edu. I
|> got it, but it is too much. It looks like too much work to try to
|> identify, extract and modify relevant components. I am looking for
|> code that is not encumbered by a complex and extensive framework which
|> is beyond our needs. We just need the spline "extensions" to the Xlib.
Look in xfig. It has two types of spline algorithms and is relatively simple.
Xfig is available from export.lcs.mit.edu in
/contrib/R5fixes/xfig-patches/xfig.2.1.6.tar.Z
--
Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov)
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
| 5comp.windows.x |
Using a Windows 3.1 printer driver, I would like to "print to a file", with
output as a Postscript file. Later, I would like to take this Postscript file
to a machine with an attached Hewlett Packard 4M laser printer, and print the
document at 600 dots per inch resolution.
I would like to use this method to print from WordPerfect For Windows, and from
an image processing program that can output images in Postscript.
Here's the problem: the Windows Postscript printer driver (pscript.drv)
doesn't allow me to specify 600 dpi. In fact, the setup dialog for this driver
does have a pull-down menu for "resolution", but the only choice given in the
menu is 300! Not a really useful menu.
Any ideas?
David Arnstein
arnstein@iis.sun.com
International Imaging Systems
Milpitas, California
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
>In article <1993Apr16.055100.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
>...
>> If you can't be bothered reading, get the video "Manufacturing Consent".
>>
>In reply to mail queries; I don't know if a video is available yet. I asked
>about a month ao and was told RSN.
Yes it is. From the National Film Board of Canada.
Guy
gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca
| 11sci.crypt |
Our group recently bought a Mitsubishi P78U video printer and I could use some
help with it. We bought this thing because it (1) has a parallel data input in
addition to the usual video signal inputs and (2) claimed to print 256 gray
level images. However, the manual that came with it only describes how to
format the parallel data to print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images. After some initial
problems with the parallel interface I now have this thing running from a
parallel port of an Hewlett-Packard workstation and I can print 1 and 4
bit/pixel images just fine. I called the Mitsubishi people and asked about the
256 level claim and they said that was only available when used with the video
signal inputs. This was not mentioned in the sales literature. However they
did say the P78U can do 6 bit/pixel (64 level) images in parallel mode, but
they didn't have any information about how to program it to do so, and they
would call Japan, etc.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that if this thing can do 8 bit/pixel images
from the video source, it can't store 8 bits/pixel in the memory. It's not
like memory is that expensive any more. If anybody has any information on
getting 6 bit/pixel (or even 8 bit/pixel) images out of this thing, I would
greatly appreciate your sending it to me.
Thanks.
Allan Weber
Signal & Image Processing Institute
University of Southern California
weber@sipi.usc.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <mjs.735397301@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk writes:
>lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>
>>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs,
> preferably but not essentially in the London area.
>
>>Thanks
>
>>Lisa Rowlands
>
>Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
>work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...
>
Can you say "*expensive*" ?
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>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged
>couple become "married" in God's eyes?
I'm waiting for an RC to speak up ! 8-)
Nobody has, so I will...
Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse...
At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock", He said
whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and
whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven.
Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be
done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest,
the couple and witnesses. "Divorce" is not allowed. But anullments
are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope
(not sure if the Pope delegates this function).
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Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'
marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |
The Lost Los Angelino |
| 15soc.religion.christian |
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
on the compliance by the
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
and the governments of the states of
FLORIDA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, MISSOURI,
WEST VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, INDIANA,
MARYLAND, OKLAHOMA, NEVADA, WYOMING,
GEORGIA, AND MAINE
with Certain International Agreements Signed
by the United States Government, in particular,
THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL
AND POLITICAL RIGHTS
(signed 5 October 1977)
and the
DOCUMENT OF THE COPENHAGEN MEETING OF THE
CONFERENCE ON THE HUMAN DIMENSION OF THE
CONFERENCE ON SECURITY AND COOPERATION
IN EUROPE
(June 1990)
A Democracy Project of
CELEBRATE LIBERTY!
THE 1993 LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL CONVENTION
AND POLITICAL EXPO
Sept. 2-5, 1993
Salt Palace Convention Center
Marriott Hotel
Salt Lake City, Utah
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These hearings will investigate charges that the governments
referenced above routinely violate the political and
democratic rights of political minority parties. Persons
interested in testifying at these hearings, or in submitting
written or documentary evidence, should contact:
Bob Waldrop
P.O. Box 526175
Salt Lake City, UT 84152
(801)-582-3318
Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org
Examples of possible information of interest includes
evidence and testimony regarding:
(1) Unfair or unequal treatment of political minorities;
(2) Physical assaults on volunteers, candidates, or
members of minority parties;
(3) Arrests of minority party petitioners, candidates, or
members while engaged in political activity;
(4) Structural barriers to organizing third parties and/or
running for office as anything other than a Democrat
or Republican (e.g. signature totals required for
petitions to put new parties and candidates on ballots,
requirements for third parties that Democrats and
Republicans are not required to meet, etc.);
(5) Taxpayer subsidies of Democratic and Republican
candidates that are denied or not available to third
parties;
(6) Fraudulent or non-reporting of minority party vote
totals (e.g. stating totals for Democratic and
Republican party candidates as equal to 100% of the
vote);
(7) Refusals by state legislatures, governors, and courts to
hear petitions for redress of grievances from third
parties, and/or unfavorable rulings/laws
discriminating against third parties;
(8) Refusal to allow registration as a member of a third
party when registering to vote (in states where
partisan voter registration is optional or required);
(9) Vote fraud, stuffing ballot boxes, losing ballots, fixing
elections, threatening candidates, ballot printing errors;
machine voting irregularities, dishonest/corrupt
election officials, refusal to register third party voters
or allow filing by third party candidates; failure to
print third party registration options on official voter
registration documents; intimidation of third party
voters and/or candidates; and/or any other criminal
acts by local, county, state or federal election officials;
(10) Exclusion of third party candidates from debate
forums sponsored by public schools, state colleges and
universities, and governments (including events
carried on television and radio stations owned and/or
subsidized by governments;
(11) Any other information relevant to the topic.
Information is solicited about incidents relating to all non-
Democratic and non-Republican political parties, such as
Libertarian, New Alliance, Socialist Workers Party, Natural
Law Party, Taxpayers, Populist, Consumer, Green, American,
Communist, etc., as well as independent candidates such as
John Anderson, Ross Perot, Eugene McCarthy, Barry
Commoner, etc.
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RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE DOCUMENT OF THE
COPENHAGEN MEETING REFERENCED ABOVE:
"(The participating States) recognize that pluralistic
democracy and the rule of law are essential for ensuring
respect for all human rights and fundamental freedoms. . .
They therefore welcome the commitment expressed by all
participating States to the ideals of democracy and political
pluralism. . . The participating States express their conviction
that full respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms
and the development of societies based on pluralistic
democracy. . . are prerequisites for progress in setting up the
lasting order of peace, security, justice, and co-operation. . .
They therefore reaffirm their commitment to implement fully
all provisions of the Final Act and of the other CSCE
documents relating to the human dimension. . . In order to
strengthen respect for, and enjoyment of, human rights and
fundamental freedoms, to develop human contacts and to
resolve issues of a related humanitarian character, the
participating States agree on the following. . .
"(2). . . They consider that the rule of law does not mean
merely a formal legality which assures regularity and
consistency in the achievement and enforcement of
democratic order, but justice based on the recognition and
full acceptance of the supreme value of the human
personality and guaranteed by institutions providing a
framework for its fullest expression."
"(3) They reaffirm that democracy is an inherent element of
the rule of law. They recognize the importance of pluralism
with regard to political organizations."
"(4) They confirm that they will respect each other's right
freely to choose and develop, in accordance with
international human rights standards, their political, social,
economic and cultural systems. In exercising this right, they
will ensure that their laws, regulations, practices, and policies
conform with their obligations under international law and
are brought into harmony with the provisions of the
Declaration on Principles and other CSCE commitments."
"(5) They solemnly declare that among those elements of
justice which are essential to the full expression of the
inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all
human beings are the following. . ."
". . . (5.4) -- a clear separation between the State and political
parties; in particular, political parties will not be merged with
the state. . ."
". . . (7) To ensure that the will of the people serves as
the basis of the authority of government, the participating
states will. . ."
"(7.4) -- ensure . . . that (votes) are counted and reported
honestly with the official results made public;"
"(7.5) -- respect the right of citizens to seek political or public
office, individually or as representatives of political parties or
organizations, without discrimination."
RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE
INTERNATIONAL COVENANT OF 5 OCTOBER 1977
REFERENCED ABOVE
The States Parties to the present Covenant. . . Recognizing
that. . . the ideal of free human beings enjoying civil and
political freedom and freedom from fear and want can only
be achieved if conditions are created whereby everyone may
enjoy his civil and political rights, as well as his economic,
social, and cultural rights, Considering the obligation of
States under the Charter of the United Nations to promote
universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and
freedoms. . . Agree upon the following articles. . .
Article 2. (1) Each State Party to the present Covenant
undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within
its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights
recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of
any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion,
political or other opinion, national or social origin, property,
birth, or other status.
(2) Where not already provided for by existing legislative or
other measures, each State Party to the present Covenant
undertakes to take the necessary steps, in accordance with its
constitutional processes and with the provisions of the
present Covenant, to adopt such legislative or other measures
as may be necessary to give effect to the rights recognized in
the present Covenant. . .
Article 3. The States Parties to the present Covenant
undertake to ensure the equal right of men and women to
the enjoyment of all civil and political rights set forth in the
present Covenant. . .
Article 25. Every citizen shall have the right and the
opportunity, without any of the distinctions mentioned in
article 2 and without unreasonable restrictions: (a) to take
part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through
freely chosen representatives; (b) to vote and to be elected at
genuine periodic elections which shall be by universal and
equal suffrage and shall be held by secret ballot,
guaranteeing the free expression of the will of the electors; (c)
to have access, on general terms of equality, to public service
in his country.
Article 26. All persons are equal before the law and are
entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of
the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any
discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and
effective protection against discrimination on any ground
such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other
opinion, national or social origin, property, birth, or other
status.
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Subject: Celebrate Liberty! 1993
Reply-To: Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Waldrop)
From: Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Waldrop)
Summary:
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Announcing. . . Announcing. . . Announcing. . .Announcing. . .
CELEBRATE LIBERTY!
1993 LIBERTARIAN PARTY NATIONAL CONVENTION
AND POLITICAL EXPO
THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND THE SALT PALACE
SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH
INCLUDES INFORMATION ON DELEGATE DEALS!
(Back by Popular Demand!)
The convention will be held at the Salt Palace Convention Center and the
Marriott Hotel, Salt Lake City, Utah. The business sessions, Karl Hess
Institute, and Political Expo are at the Salt Palace; breakfasts, parties, and
banquet are at the Marriott Hotel.
Marriott Hotel room rates are $79.00 night, plus 10.5% tax ($87.17 total).
This rate is good for one to four persons room occupancy. Double is one
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Price: $150 if purchased by May 1, 1993
$175 thereafter
August 31 and Sept. 1: Platform, Bylaws, Credentials and
National committee meetings.
Shoot out in Salt Lake! PLEDGE versus Committee for a Libertarian
Majority. Will the party's membership and platform definitions change?
Is compromise possible? The Platform and Bylaws committees are
responsible for making recommendations to the convention concerning
changes in those documents. At this convention, the party will only
consider deletions to the platform. The Convention Rules would have to
be amended by a 2/3 vote to change this rule.
The meetings are open to the public. There is no charge for attending.
Sept. 2-5, 1993: Celebrate Liberty! Begins
Political Expo Opens
Sept. 2, 1993: 9 AM -- Credentials Committee report to the delegates.
10:30 -- Gala Opening Ceremony and Keynote Address
by Russell Means.
1:00 -- After lunch break, convention business continues
(see "Standing Order of Business" from the "Convention
Rules of the Libertarian Party" at the end of this
document.
Karl Hess Institute of Libertarian Politics Begins, runs in
tandem with the business sessions.
Sept. 3, 1993: Dawns Early Light, Green Dragon Inn (morning and
evening), with Karl Hess Institute and convention
business in between.
Sept. 4, 1993: Dawns Early Light, Freedom Rock '93, Karl Hess
Institute, convention business.
Sept. 5, 1993: Dawns Early Light, Convention Banquet, Karl Hess
Institute, convention business, Joyful Noise.
ACTIVITY DESCRIPTIONS:
DAWNS EARLY
LIGHT Three great convention breakfasts to start your days
right, featuring science fiction author L. Neil Smith,
psychiatrist and author Dr. Thomas Szasz, and South
African Libertarian leader Frances Kendall.
GREEN DRAGON
INN "Opening night" party, named after the famous inn
where Sam Adams and his crowd plotted trouble for the
British over pints of ale and beer. Music, food, drink,
and comedy.
FREEDOM
ROCK '93 Free downtown rock concert Friday night, with drum
circle, comic Tim Slagle, Middle Eastern dancer, reggae,
and local classic rock-n-roll bands. Will be widely
publicized in the local area. Major outreach opportunity.
BANQUET Vivaldi and Mozart, fine dining, in the elegant Marriott
Grand Ballroom (black tie optional). Dancing follows.
POLITICAL
EXPO Exhibits and vendors. FREE admission. Event will be
widely publicized in local area for maximum draw.
Major Outreach opportunity.
KARL HESS INSTITUTE OF LIBERTARIAN POLITICS
Workshops, speakers, roundtable discussions in these areas:
LIBERTY: NEXT
GENERATION High school and college age Libertarians talk
about what matters to them and the 20-
something generation.
AGENDA 2000 Considers key issues of the 1990s. Environment.
Health Care. 21st Century Economics. Drug
War. Second Amendment. Social Services.
Foreign Policy. Crime & Violence. AIDS.
THE GREAT DEBATE LP Strategy and tactics. Media. Ballot Access.
Initiatives. Feminist Issues. Presidential
Campaigns. LP Elected Officials. Grassroots.
Early look at the 1996 presidential nomination.
VALUES FOR
THE 90s Community. Children. Abundance. Home
Schooling. Religion and Liberty. Race.
CAMPUS FOCUS Organizing. Academia. Blue Collar Youth.
CONVENTION PACKAGE DESCRIPTIONS AND PRICES
TOTAL EVENT: All activities, Aug. 30-Sept. 5, $400, including 3
day candidate training
Full Celebration: All convention activities, Sept. 2-5, $300
Late Riser No breakfasts, everything else Sept. 2-5, $250
Thrift No breakfasts or banquet, $150
Issues Focus Karl Hess Institute, $125
Basic Convention packet, souvenirs, two Karl Hess
Institute speakers
Free Political Expo, Access to convention hall,
Keynote Address, Joyful Noise, Freedom Rock
'93, three free outreach speakers.
PLEASE NOTE:
-- PRICES INCREASE MAY 1, 1993
-- Special student prices are available to anyone under 25 years of
age or who is enrolled in a college or university.
-- Six and seven month payment plans are available which can
include housing (if requested).
-- To add the three day candidate training to any package below
(except "Total Event"), add $150 to the price.
-- All prices are in U.S. dollars.
-- Advertising is available in the convention program; exhibits and
sponsorships are available for the Political Expo. Free Political
Expo admission and MGP promotions will draw visitors from the
surrounding community (one million people live within a 30
minute drive of the Expo).
-- If your special interest group, organization, committee, or cause
would like to schedule space for a presentation, contact us.
-- MGP conducts a drawing each month and gives away FREE
hotel nights. The sooner you register, the more chances you have
to win.
-- Roommate match service available upon request.
OTHER EVENTS:
"Anti-Federalist Two" MGP sponsored writing contest. June
submission deadline. Contact MGP for
prospectus.
"The Libertarian
Games" Friendly competition -- marksmanship, computer
programming, chess, maybe more.
Libertarians for Gay &
Lesbian Concerns Business meeting, social night, sponsored by
LGLC.
??? YOUR EVENT CAN BE LISTED HERE. Contact
MGP for details.
ATTENTION COLLEGE STUDENTS!
Special discounts are available for college and high school students. We
will work on casual housing opportunities for the "Poverty Caucus".
College Libertarians will meet at Celebrate Liberty! and discuss the future
of their movement on campuses. Contact MGP for more details.
LIST OF SPEAKERS
(as of March 14, 1993):
Dean Ahmad Jim Hudler Sheldon Richman
Karen Allard Jeff Hummel Kathleen Richman
Rick Arnold Alexander Joseph Dan Rosenthal
Dr. George Ayittey Frances Kendall Dr. Mary Ruwart
Alan Boch Martin Luther King Dagny Sharon
Richard Boddie Me-Me King Jane Shaw
Gus Dizerega Henry Lamb Sandy Shaw
Larry Dodge Amy Lassen L. Neil Smith
Dr. Richard Ebeling Scott Lieberman Eric Sterling
Don Ernsberger Dr. Nancy Lord Dr. Richard Stroup
Bill Evers Russell Means Dr. Thomas Szasz
Bonnie Flickenger Vince Miller Michael Tanner
John Fund Maury Modine Sojourner Truth
Doris Gordon David Nolan Yuri Tuvim
Leon Hadar Randall O'Toole Bob Waldrop
Patrick Henry James Ostrowski Terree Wasley
Karl Hess Dirk Pearson Perry Willis
Dr. Karl Hess Jr. Bob Poole Richard Winger
Jacob Honrberger Carole Ann Rand Jarret Wollstein
Brigham Young
UPCOMING CONVENTION DEVELOPMENTS!
On May 1st, prices increase for convention packages, candidate training,
and exhibits/advertising:
New prices for convention packages will be:
Total Event: $450
Full Celebration: $350
Late Riser: $275
Thrift: $175
Issues Focus: $150
Basic: $30
Free: $0
These prices good through July 2, 1993.
BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND!
ANNOUNCING THE DELEGATE DEALS!
Available May 1, 1993
I: Business Focus: All convention activities except Karl Hess
Institute -- $275
II: Delegate Celebration, includes a complete set of Karl Hess
Institute audio tapes instead of institute tickets -- $350
STANDING ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR
A LIBERTARIAN PARTY CONVENTION
1. Call to order
2. Credentials Committee report
3. Adoption of agenda
4. Treasurer's report
5. Bylaws and Rules Committee report (Non-nominating conventions
only)
6. Platform Committee report (At non-Presidential nominating
conventions only deletions may be considered.)
7. Nomination of Party candidates for President and
Vice-President (in appropriate years)
8. Election of Party Officers and at-large members
of the National Committee
9. Election of Judicial Committee
10. Resolutions
11. Other business
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In <1ri9rv$jfl@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> newman@cps.msu.edu (Timothy S Newman) writes:
>Okay, okay, I know the Ford Probe is made in the US, in fact it's
>made in Michigan, at a Mazda plant. My question: are most of the parts
>from American or Japanese sources? I have been told that most of the US
>assembly plants for Japanese automakers import almost all of the parts used in
>the vehicles.
>Any information anyone has on this will be appreciated!
Ford aimed for 75% US content when they designed the new Probe. In actual
practice it came out to 77% US content. If my '89 is any example the 23%
that is imported may be the engine and brakes, at least the '89 had
Missybitchy brakes.
>Tim Newman
>newman@cps.msu.edu
Bob
| 7rec.autos |
Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight. They said they will
show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would
be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game... Anyone heard for
sure???
Jeff Swartz
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In <2077@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>Anybody for impeachment?
Yeah, me. Both the Slickmeister and Hillary's buddy Janet say
they're responsible... I want both their resignations on my desk
yesterday. I also want both thier butts up on federal civil rights
violations.... something which carries life in prison as a penalty.
Oh, and I'll contribute $20 to Arlen Specter's presidential campaign
for having the 'nads to launch the Senate investigation.
-- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) ==================
America in Distress ==================
(flag upside down = SOS) *******===========
Save your Republic before *******===========
it no longer exists. *******===========
| 16talk.politics.guns |
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article <sheafferC63zt0.Brs@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>
>It had to happen: the old allegation of the "deathbed conversion" of the
>noted unbeliever... [other examples]
>What all of these "deathbed conversion"
>claims have in common is that they are utterly unsubstantiated, and
>almost certainly untrue.
I would not be too quick to say that they are almost certainly untrue.
Even strong minded people may fall back on childhood indoctrination,
grasp at straws, or do other strange things when faced with extreme
suffering, not to mention physiological problems which may lead to
diminished mental capacity.
At the risk of restarting an old argument and accusations of appeal to
authority I remind readers of what I posted a while back as a kind of
obituary for the late atheist Dr. Albert Sabin. In an old interview
rebroadcast on public radio just after his death he told about a time
a few years before when he was stricken with a very serious illness.
He admitted to having cried out to God while critically ill and on a
respirator. As it turned out he recovered and lived several more years.
After his recovery he attributed this to early indoctrination. Don't say
it couldn't happen to you, or that it hasn't happened to others, even if
you are one of the few people who have experienced things like this.
People are different. I admire Dr. Sabin for admitting his human weakness
in that instance. I would not think less of Asimov for similar weakness.
Nevertheless I agree that these reports are unsubstantiated and may
well be untrue. In any case they are not evidence for anything besides
the power of early indoctrination and human frailty.
Bill Mayne
| 0alt.atheism |
The Nicene Creed
WE BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day rose again according to the Scriptur
es, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <gradyC5uAMw.BnG@netcom.com>, grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes:
> Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted
> posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private
> key. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private
> key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out
> by a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants,
> and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use
> of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for
> non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key
> but otherwises not encrypted.
I like it. PGP would be useful, I guess. Although I don't have
a working version for VMS yet... :-(
> grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
David L. Cathey |INET: davidc@montagar.com
Montagar Software Concepts |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX 75026-0772 |Fone: (214)-618-2117
| 11sci.crypt |
Is there evidence independent of the FBI that indicates that the Branch
Davidians set the fire? What have the survivors said? Did the press see
anything?
There is, unfortunately, precedent for the U.S. government saving children by
roasting them alive. (There is precedent for religious self-imolation
as well.)
I still wonder why the government couldn't just leave them alone.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I would like to sell my PS/2 Model 50, with its Kingston SX/Now!
33MHz processor, a Cyrix FasMath coprocessor (CPU/FPU LandMark
scores of 46.6MHz/107.8MHz), 8 Meg (9 Meg total) on a AST
Advantage/2 board (0 wait state), original 20 Meg hard drive, and a
very fast Adaptec 1640 SCSI controller card (worth around $300 new)
with software to control any external or internal SCSI device. I'm
including Dos 6.0 (or 5.0), and keyboard. The VGA will drive any
multisynching or straight VGA (cheap) monitor.
Please email me directly with inquiries/offers, so I can return my
phone # to you via email.
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <10377@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> victorf@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Victor Friedman) writes:
>Can anybody tell me what exactly Windows 3.1 does to the COM ports???
>Why can't I run a single communication program under Windows? I have ProComm+,
>QuickLink, {COMMO} - neither of them respond to modem commands after the
>connection has finally been established, although I'm still able to manage
> Vick.
> (victorf@seas.ucla.edu)
This is one of the trickiest problems w/ Win 3.1 ... Personally I run
Telix 3.2 for DOS under Windows just fine (and 've been waiting for the Win
version froever... :) ), but I have to admit I am the exception to the rule:
I have tried installing various DOS comm progs on friends' machines, most of
them w/ big problems... Some of the stuff you have to lookout for:
1) ALWAYS run the prog thru a .PIF, never by calling its .exe, 2) In the .PIF
_always_ toggle on _lock_application_memory_ --actually this is something
MS points out in the readme.wri file, and is especially critical for downloading
3) Go under Ctrl Panel/386 enh and check for _all_ your COM ports 'Alway Warn'
--it will help u w. debugging this thing and it's 'healthier' 4) Check where
are u running the mouse from - com port - 5) check the com port addresses from
your BIOS setup and from Ctrl Panel/Ports/(Setup?)/Advanced..
These might help u... If yu still have problems, get $100 and buy Procomm+Win..,
:) Hope it helps somehow...
--
Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________
Georgia Institute of Technology
OIT UA -- OIT doesn't pay me enough to share their opinions...
Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Anybody know of an IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows? I need to be able to display
ComputerVision IGES files on a PC running Windows 3.1. Thanks in advance.
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| Brian H. Safford EMAIL: bsaffo01@cad.gmeds.com |
| Electronic Data Systems PHONE: (313) 696-6302 |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine, |
| and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| 1comp.graphics |
Brand new never been used Seagate ST351 A/X 40meg hard drive forsale.
Paid $135 (includes mounting brackets).
I bought it and then ended up buying a new computer.
BRO takes it.
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <Apr.19.05.11.36.1993.29109@athos.rutgers.edu>, ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) writes:
> I think you are vastly oversimplifying things. We know that early Christians
> suffered totures because of their witness to Christ. For example:
[ ACT 5:40 - 41 ]
> It appears that the Jewish rulers of that time had a particular aversion
> to even hearing Jesus's name.
...
> Finally, the first apostle's death, James of Zebedee was certainly
> not by Rome's hand any more than the first martyr Stephen.
...
> The problem was that if one believed in the Resurrection, then one
> must believe in Jesus as truly being the Son of God and what He
> stood for and preached during His ministry on Earth. That would
> have been extremely difficult for some people, especially those
> that had plotted to kill Him.
The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on
the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to
the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at
least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died
and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up
with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established.
Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in
Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts.
What we need, therefore, is a reliable text, critically appreciated, which
documents the death of Christians for belief in the Resurrection. I would
suggest you look at some greek and roman historians. I think you will be
disapointed.
randy
| 15soc.religion.christian |
If ESPN pisses you off, call them - they do respond to calls. Last night I
called when they said they were cutting to baseball and we couldn't see the
sudden-death overtime for the BUffalo game. Apparently they received enough
calls so they waited for the overtime to finish before cutting away.
Their phone number is 203-585-2000
Susan Dart
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I want to get rid of alot of comics that I have. I am selling for 30% off
the Overstreet Price Guide.
COMIC CONDITION
----- ---------
Arion #1 M
Batman's Detective Comics #480 VF-NM
Contest of Champions #1 M
Contest of Champions #2 M
Contest of Champions #3 M
Crystar #1 M
Daredevil #181 (Elektra Dies) NM-M
Daredevil #186 M
Fantastic Four #52 (1st app. Black Panther) F-VF
G.I. Joe #1 M
Hercules #1 M
Incredible Hulk #181 (1st app. Wolverine) VF
The Krypton Chronicles #1 M
The Man-Thing #1 M
The Man-Thing #5 M
Marvel Age #1 VF
Marvel Age #2 NM
Marvel and DC Present (X-men and New
Teen Titans) M
Marvel Graphic Novel #4 (1st app. New Mutants) M
The Marvel Guide to Collecting Comics NM
Marvel Team-up #1 VF-NM
Marvel Team-up #95 M
Master of Kung Fu #90 M
The Micronauts #1 M
Micronauts King-Size Annual #1 M
New Mutants #1 (5 copies!) M
New Mutants #2 M
New Mutants #3 M
The Omega Men #1 M
Red Sonja #1 M
Ripley's Believe It or Not True War Strories #1 VF
Rom Spaceknight #1 M
Rom Spaceknight #8 M
The Secret Society of Super Villains #1 NM
Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spiderman #44 M
Amazing Spiderman #188 M
Star Trek #4 M
Super-Villain Classics #1 (Origin Galactus) M
New Teen Titans #1 M
Uncanny Tales #33 (Publisher's File Copy) NM-M
Vision and the Scarlet Witch #1 M
What If #3 (The Avengers Had Never Been) NM
Wolverine #1 (limited series) M
Wolverine #2 (limited series) M
Wolverine #3 (limited series) M
Wolverine #4 (limited series) M
X-men #25 F
X-men #26 F
X-men #30 F
X-men #34 F
| 6misc.forsale |
In the Monday, May 10 morning edition of the San Jose Mercury News an
article by Sandra Gonzales at the top of page 12A explained convicted
killer David Edwin Mason's troubled childhood saying,
"Raised in Oakland and San Lorenzo by strict fundamentalist
Christian parents, Mason was beaten as a child. He once was
tied to a workbench and gagged with a cloth after he accidently
urinated on his mother when she walked under his bedroom window,
court records show."
Were the San Jose Mercury news to come out with an article starting with
"Raised in Oakland by Mexican parents, Mason was beaten...", my face would
be red with anger over the injustice done to my Mexican family members and
the Mexican community as a whole. I'm sure Sandra Gonzales would be equally
upset.
Why is it that open biggotry like this is practiced and encouraged by the
San Jose Mercury News when it is pointed at the christian community?
Can a good christian continue to purchase newspapers and buy advertising in
this kind of a newspaper? This is really bad journalism.
I'm upset.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <3402@tau-ceti.isc-br.com>, jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim
Cathey) wrote:
>
> In article <alan-210493163447@17.129.12.26> alan@apple.com (Alan Mimms) writes:
> >Actually detecting a BREAK is done by watching for a "character" containing
> >all zero bits with the framing error resulting from its receipt. This
>
> True enough, but...
>
> >means that the line stayed in the zero bit state even past the stop bit
> >time slot, which basically indicates a BREAK. There is no special way to
> >detect BREAK that I have found other than this -- there's no magic signal
> >generated by UARTs, etc.
>
> Zilog SCC:
> ---------
> RR0[7]: Break Detect
>
> This is a very popular part, but it has a number of quirks, especially
> in HDLC mode.
>
> Signetics 68562 DUSCC:
> ---------------------
> RSR[2]: Break Start Detect
> RSR[3]: Break End Detect
>
> Two of the bits in the Receiver Status Register. You can enable an interrupt
> on either of these bits going high, too. Also, only one NULL will be put
> in the FIFO per break detected.
>
> This is simply the best serial chip I've ever worked with. _Many_ less
> quirks than the SCC, which is IMHO second-best. (Death to 8250 devices!)
>
And I thought I knew a lot about serial devices. Perhaps I should just
keep my big mouth shut. Sorry.
Alan Mimms (alan@apple.com, ...!apple!alan) | My opinions are generally
Portable Macintosh Software Group | pretty worthless, but
Apple Computer | they *are* my own...
Art without engineering is dreaming. Engineering without art is
calculating.
-- Steven K. Roberts in "Computing Across America"
| 12sci.electronics |
-*----
Cross-posted and with followups directed to talk.politics.theory.
-*----
In article <79700@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
> Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes,
> but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes
> which are the units of genetics.
>
> We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people
> with harmful memes. ...
In other words, we should jail people who say the wrong
things. In this advocacy, we can see a truly ugly meme.
Does Mark Robert Thorson advocate jailing himself?
Russell
| 13sci.med |
In article <1pmrakINNpun@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>
>> > If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault
>> > and battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a
>> > sort of double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again?
>> > [Douglas Meier]
>>
>> Assuming the questions are not rhetorical, the answers are:
>>
>> () To deter an epidemic of "gay bashing" that has not been deterred by
>> assault laws.
>> () No, it is not "double jeopardy." A single act may lead to multiple
>> charges and multiple crimes.
>> () Yes.
>
>Let's leave aside the personal-insult potential that Doug created by
>asking his last question and just concentrate on the legal/political
>debate... Last point first: yes, a single act may lead to multiple,
>independent charges. However, as a side note, I _think_ that the
>prohibition on double jeopardy mandates that the suspect be tried on all
>those charges at the same time, in the same trial. (Unless, of course,
>the government can pull the "separate sovereignties" crock that they're
>using on those four LAPD cops who arrested Rodney King, i.e. trying a
>person who's already been acquitted in state court on federal charges
>arising from the same act... _I_ think that this is double jeopardy but
>apparently the courts don't agree with me.)
Note that the laws that don't agree with you were passed to protect
a class of people who couldn't get justice from the state courts;
specifically civil rights workers in Missisippi in the 60's. The
federal protection of individual rights supersedes the non-feasance
of the state. Something similar has long been traditional ( well
he's queer so I beat him up...) for gays
>
>You pays your money and you takes your pick... me, I lean strongly
>towards the "against" argument. I know that having the law treat
>everyone as equals, regardless of realities, will not in and of itself
>lead to true equality, and in fact may lead, at times, towards greater
>inequality. Nonetheless, I believe that true equality is at least
>_possible_ when the laws treat people as being equal, while true
>equality is, by definition, _impossible_ when the laws themselves
>mandate unequal treatment of classes of people by the state.
>
>-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
>
As Anatole France said; "The law in its impartial majesty forbids the
rich as well as the poor from sleeping under bridges."
Equality of law can be construed in any number of ways. For example
the fact that all property thefts, regardless of value, are not
punished equally is an inequality which protects those who have
a lot of money from having it stolen. You could easily define
equality to regard the property in terms of it's significance
for the owner. This would a form of equality that would be skewed
toward poorer people.
In fact, most anti-gay bashing laws are constructed to offer equal
protection. They make it an offense to damage people based on a
motivation of hatred for sexual orientation. Thus the law in its
impartial majesty protects hets as well as gays from being bashed.
I'm sure that's a great relief to Douglas Meier.
--
Nick Nussbaum nickn@eskimo.com PO 4738 Seattle,WA 98104
| 18talk.politics.misc |
cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:
# 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,
# could you provide any evidence ?
Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons. However:
1) Their use so far has been restricted to killing deer, by LSD addicted
"Cherrie" soldiers.
2) They are locked in the cellar of the "Garinei Afula" factory, and since
the Gingi lost the key, no one can use them anymore.
3) Even if the Gingi finds the key, the chief Rabbis have a time lock
on the bombs that does not allow them to be activated on the Sabbath
and during weeks which follow victories of the Betar Jerusalem soccer
team. A quick glance at the National League score table will reveal
the strategic importance of this fact.
-Danny Keren.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In a previous article, a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) says:
>In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:
>>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>>>>
>>
>>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
>>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
>>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
>>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
>>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
>>SHO anyway.
>>
>>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic
>>transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l
>>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of
>>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,
>>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.
>>
>> James
>>
>I have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto
>w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned
>for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live
>in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic
>here. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be
>more fun.
>
>Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be
>shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here.
>Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0
>Camaro w/ a five speed.
>
>All of this IMHO... :)
all of my HO's disagree with your HO's. I LOVED Dallas rush hour in my stick..
detested it in the auto(like i did any other time in the auto...). Of course,
Dalls rush hours are nothing, from what i hear..if i lived in LA, i might
be of a different persuasion. And, just for the record, rarely do you shift
gears when merging into traffic..that is what 5 speeds are good for..4th is
good up through around 80-90, most of the time, so you can just wind it out..
it's not going to hurt anything, and keeps it in the powerband anyway..
only shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th(fairly rare,
unless you drive a ferrari or some such, i'd bet) or when you hit cruising
speed where you feel comfortable(or when my mother is sitting in the
passanger seat complaining about how you wind her "poor little engine" way
too hi :-)
Just my HO's..
DREW
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr26.143101.4307@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>
>I get tired of people saying 'don't eat X because
>it's BAD!' Well, X may not be bad for everyone. And even if
>it is, so what? Give people all the information but don't ram
>your decisions down their throats.
>
It is evident you did not read my post carefully. I wasn't
trying to tell you not to eat MSG products and produce, nor was I
arguing for or against MSG. I was simply questioning the logic of
your statement that simply because
(a) one is not allergic to something, and
(b) likes eating that
it follows that one could keep eating whatever it is.
In my post, I had clearly said that I don't know enough about MSG.
The statement "don't eat X because its bad" is just _your_
interpretation of nutritional info out there.
Prakash Das
| 13sci.med |
Here now some initial references; best regards - Walter.
@InProceedings{Keirouz:et:al:90,
author = "Walid Keirouz and Jahir Pabon and Robert Young",
title = "{Integrating parametric geometry, features, and
variational modeling for conceptual design}",
booktitle = "International Conference on Design Theory and Methodology",
year = "1990",
editor = "{J.\ R.}\ Rinderle",
pages = "1--9",
organization = "American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME)",
OPTpublisher = "",
OPTaddress = "",
OPTmonth = "",
note = "Proceedings"
}
@InProceedings{Yamaguchi:Kimura:90,
author = "Yasushi Yamaguchi and Fumihiko Kimura",
title = "{A constraint modeling system for variational geometry}",
booktitle = "{Geometric modeling for product engineering}",
year = "1990",
editor = "{Michael J.}\ Wozny and {J.\ U.}\ Turner and {K.}\ Preiss",
pages = "221--233",
organization = "IFIP",
publisher = "Elsevier Science Publishers B.V.\ (North-Holland),
Amsterdam, The Netherlands",
OPTaddress = "",
OPTmonth = "",
note = "Selected and Expanded Papers form the IFIP WG 5.2/NSF
Working Conference on Geometric Modeling, Rensselaerville, NY, U.S.A.,
18--22 September 1988"
}
@InProceedings{Chung:et:al:88,
author = "{Jack C.\ H.}\ Chung and {Joseph W.}\ Klahs
and {Robert L.}\ Cook and Thijs Sluiter",
title = "{Implementation issues in variational geometry and
constraint management}",
booktitle = "Third International Conference on
CAD/CAM, Robotics and Factories of the Future (CARS and FOF'88)",
year = "1988",
OPTeditor = "",
OPTpages = "",
OPTorganization = "",
OPTpublisher = "",
address = "Detroit, Michigan, USA",
month = " August 14--17,",
note = "Proceedings, probably: Springer-Verlag,
Berlin/Heidelberg, 1989"
}
@Article{Kimura:et:al:86,
author = "Fumihiko Kimura and Hiromasa Suzuki and Toshio Sata",
title = "{Variational Product Design by Constraint Propagation
and Satisfaction in Product Modelling}",
journal = "Annals of the CIRP",
year = "1986",
volume = "35",
number = "1",
pages = "75--78",
OPTmonth = "",
note = "(probably) International Institution for Production Engineering Research"
}
@Article{Kimura:et:al:87,
author = "{F.}\ Kimura and {H.}\ Suzuki and {H.}\ Ando and {T.}\ Sato and
{A.}\ Kinosada",
title = "{Variational Geometry Based on Logical Constraints
and its Applications to Product Modelling}",
journal = "Annals of the CIRP",
year = "1987",
volume = "36",
number = "1",
pages = "65--68",
@InProceedings{Chung:Schussel:89,
author = "{Jack C.H.}\ Chung and {Martin D.}\ Schussel",
title = "{Comparison of Variational and Parametric Design}",
booktitle = "Autofact '89",
year = "1989",
OPTeditor = "",
pages = "5-27 -- 5-44",
OPTorganization = "",
OPTpublisher = "",
address = "Detroit, Michigan, USA",
month = "October 30 -- November 2,",
note = "Conference Proceedings"
}
@Article{Pabon:et:al:92,
author = "Jahir Pabon and Robert Young and Walid Keirouz",
title = "{Integrating Parametric Geometry, Features, and
Variational Modeling for Conceptual Design}",
journal = "International Journal of Systems Automation: Research
and Applications (SARA)",
year = "1992",
volume = "2",
OPTnumber = "",
pages = "17--36",
OPTmonth = "",
OPTnote = ""
}
@Article{Kondo:90,
author = "Koichi Kondo",
title = "{PIGMOD: parametric and interactive geometric
modeller for mechanical design}",
journal = "CAD, computer-aided design",
year = "1990",
volume = "22",
number = "10",
pages = "633--644",
month = "december",
note = "Butterworth-Heinemann Ltd"
}
@InProceedings{Zalik:et:al:92a,
author = "Borut {\v{Z}}alik and Nikola Guid and Aleksander Vesel",
title = "{Parametric Design Using Constraint Description Graph}",
booktitle = "CAD '92, Neue Konzepte zur Realisierung
anwendungsorientierter CAD-Systeme",
year = "1992",
editor = "{Frank-Lothar} Krause and Detlev Ruland and Helmut Jansen",
pages = "329--344",
OPTorganization = "",
publisher = "Informatik aktuell, Springer-Verlag, Berlin/Heidelberg",
OPTaddress = "",
month = "14./15.\ Mai",
note = "GI-Fachtagung, Berlin"
}
@InProceedings{Murtagh:Shimura:90,
author = "Niall Murtagh and Masamichi Shimura",
title = "{Parametric Engineering Design Using Constraint-Based Reasoning}",
booktitle = "AAAI-90, Eighth National Conference on Artificial Intelligence",
year = "1990",
OPTeditor = "",
pages = "505--510",
organization = "American Association for Artificial Intelligence",
publisher = "Proceedings, Volume One, AAAI Press, Menlo Park, CA, U.S.A.",
address = "Boston, MA",
month = "July 29 -- August 3,",
OPTnote = ""
}
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <C5sDCK.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents
>>>of those files.
>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:
>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?
>
>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including
>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer
>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members
>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps?
>
>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war
>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is
>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals
>only a few years ago.
>
The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*.
Let me see...you're saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS should be
spied on? You're also saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS
should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US,
as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in
which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume
that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses
a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on?
Perhaps, then, on the basis of Pollard spy case (not to mention the
Rosenbergs, etc.) you think that all Jewish Americans should be spied
on by the ADC.
Oh, never mind; this whole spying case has obviously so
convoluted your sense of right or wrong in these matters that I have
no wish confuse you further.
>>Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter?
>>Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic
>>minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on.
>
>All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti-
>Israel activity or propoganda. The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if
>anything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise.
So the LA times reporter who had information about him
sold to the South African government was involved in "anti-Israel
activity or propaganda"? Are we to infer that the simple act of
reporting an event in a newspaper constitutes "anti-Israel
activity or propaganda"? Or was it South Africa? The LA
times reporter was based in South Africa, after all.
>
>
>>>Gideon Ehrlich
>>-anwar
>Ed.
>
-anwar again
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In article s90@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, vromanel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vincent A Romanelli) writes:
>I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA graphics accelerator card (based
>upon a positive review by Steve Gibson of Infoworld). Although it's fast, I
>find its windows drivers extremely buggy despite implementing all of the
>Diamond technical support suggestions. Does anyone else have any experience
>with this card?
>
>Any feedback appreciated.
I have had a lot of problems with it. I belive I have the latest drivers for it. There are some occasions when I fire up windows it works great. If you ever find
newer drivers I would appreciate a pointer to there location
-Paul
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In article <C6sqCo.IID@ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu () writes:
|> After reading plenty of categorical remarks claiming the arrival of the
|> restoration of colonialismo, could anyone 1) define colonialismo, 2) indicate
|> what colonial countries remain, 3) indicate what changes indicate that there
|> is a restoration in the making?
I'll leave questions 1 and 2 to be answered elsewhere, but on question 3)
something in the noos today might be an example of the restoration might be.
Namely, that the Clinton Administration is considering asking the UN to
establish a police force for Haiti.
I didn't hear any thing that said that the current Govt. of Haiti asked for it,
nor is there any real precedent (barring Somalia) for the UN getting involved
in internal conflicts.
That might also answer question 2). The neo-colonial countries are a diffuse
lot - the UN (Security Council).
And while I am at it, I'll take a stab at 1) - the new colonialism, as defined in
most articles I have read, would entail something of the nature of Trusteeship
under the UN Sec. Council, democracy, aid, education, free-markets, free press
and then out for the colonialists, now assured that there is a "civilized"
country that they have left behind.
Note I don't support this idealized concept, simply because I think it is a
lot of hogwash.
--
Srinivas Sunder sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu
If The University of Illinois shares these views, I'd be surprised.
They aren't that smart generally -:).
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I posted this a while ago and didn't recieve one reply, and now we
have another bug report on the same subject. Can anybody help me out?
How can you ensure that accelerators work the same independent of
case? What I want is Ctrl+O and Ctrl+o to both be accelerators on one
menu entry.
In ORA Vol. 6, in the section on accelerators it says "For information
on how to specify translation tables see Vol. 4...", this is so you
know what to put for the XmNaccelerator resource. If you go to
Vol. 4 it says, "Likewise, if a modifier is specified, there is
nothing to prohibit other modifiers from being present as well. For
example, the translation:
Shift<Key>q: quit()
will take effect even if the Ctrl key is held down at the same time as
the Shift key (and the q key).
This implies to me that setting XmNaccelerator to Ctrl<Key>o should do
what I want, but it doesn't, it doesn't work if the user presses the
control key, the shift key, and the o key.
Is it possible to supply > 1 accelerator for a menu entry? Keep in
mind when answering this question that when using Motif you can't use
XtInstallAccelerators().
I am using Motif 1.1.3 on a DECstation 5000 but I have also tried it
on an HP using Motif 1.1.3 and 1.2.
--
**********************************************************************
Steve Dennis Internet: sdennis@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com
Software Engineer Applicon Inc. Ann Arbor, Michigan
Hail To The Victors!!!
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1th4mg$53f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
> for Arab armies to attack Israel on Yom Kippur? I suppose it
> is brave to slaughter athletes at the Olympics? Or maybe you
Armenians have been doing just that for a long, long time.
Source: "Hagop Hagopian said to have been part of 1972 Terror Attack at
Munich Olympic Games," The Armenian Reporter, February 7, 1985, p. 1.
"Le Matin, the influential Paris daily, based on unidentified sources,
claimed last week that Hagop Hagopian, the founder and leader of one
faction of the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA),
was among the Arab terrorists who staged an attack on the living quarters
of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic Games...
Le Matin added that up to 1982, Hagopian operated out of Beirut, Lebanon,
but escaped from the country when Israeli forces entered the city. It was
about this time that a statement issued by ASALA claimed that Mr. Hagopian
was dead of wounds suffered during a bombing by the Israeli Air Force,
although it is generally believed that the mysterious leader is alive and
well and presently is residing alternately in Damascus, Syria, and
Athens, Greece. The paper also noted that the socialist government of
Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou and his P.A.S.O.K. party accepted the
Armenian underground leader with "open arms" and still providing him
with assistance simply because of Greece's traditional enmity with Turkey.
Le Matin further adds that ASALA derives only a small portion of its
expenditures from wealthy Armenians who support the cause, with the rest
coming either from other sources or from proceeds of an involvement in
drug trafficking."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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