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I'm interested in obtaining the highest possible image capture in a MS-Windows application. The resulting image must go to print and high resolution is the name of the game. I'm familiar with (and unhappy with) composite video capture technology. What kind of resolution can I get out of an SVHS signal? What about RGB (and who makes RGB cameras)? Does anyone have any experience with digital cameras? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- William Brandsdorfer | UUCP: !uunet!lehman.com!wbrand Lehman Brothers | INET: wbrand@lehman.com 388 Greenwich St. | Voice: (212) 464-3835 New York, N.Y. 10013 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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In article <4806@bimacs.BITNET> huna@bimacs.BITNET (Emmanuel Huna) writes: > > Mr. Steel, from what I've read Tsiel is not a racist, but you >are an anti semitic. And stop shouting, you fanatic, Mr. Emmanuel Huna, Give logic a break will you. Gosh, what kind of intelligence do you have, if any? Tesiel says : Be a man not an arab for once. I say : Fuck of Tsiel (for saying the above). I get tagged as a racist, and he gets praised? Well Mr. logicless, Tsiel has apologized for his racist remark. I praise him for that courage, but I tell Take a hike to whoever calls me a racist without a proof because I am not. You have proven to us that your brain has been malfunctioning and you are just a moron that's loose on the net. About being fanatic: I am proud to be a fanatic about my rights and freedom, you idiot.
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In article <1993May13.075328.28052@nordic-offshore.no> olav@nordic-offshore.no (Jan-Olav Eide) writes: > Does anyone know how I can obtain information about the ICS widget data book? > I only have their email address, and they don't seem to be reading (or > replying) to their mail. > ICS - Integrated Computer Solutions Incorporated 201 Broadway Cambridge, MA 02139 Vox: (617) 621-0060 Fax: (617) 621-9555 Email: info@ics.com Circle 9 on Reader Service Card -- / __/ ____/ Mike McGary / / / / / mcgary@intellection.com / __/ / / / __ / __ \ / / Intellection, Inc. / / ___/ /__ / / / / / / / Dallas, Texas / / / / __ / __ < / / vox: (214) 620-2100 __/ __/ _______/ __/ __/ __/ __/ ____ / fax: (214) 484-8110 / ________________________/
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-> I have been on the phone with Impulse for about 3 months waiting for -> my cross - platform upgrade (Amiga to IBM). They have told me every -> week for 3 months, "it will be ready next week". Still waiting....... They've been saying that for two years now, you'd think by now people wouldn't go on about it being 'soon' and only believe it when they can buy it. I wish Amiga users wouldn't be so gullible (gasp, how dare he say that!). -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044
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I am quite near sighted. I've recently received laser treatment for both eyes to seal holes in the retinas to help prevent retinal detachment. In my left eye a small detachment had begun already and apparently the laser was used to "weld" this back in place as well. My right eye seems fine. In my left eye I was seeing occasional flashes of bright light prior to the treatment. Since the treatment (two weeks) these flashes are now occuring more often - several each hour. The opthamologist explained the flashes are caused because the vitreous body has attached to the retina and is pulling on it. He says this is not treatable and he hopes it may go away on its own accord - if it tugs enough I may well face retinal detachment. I am seeking (via sci.med) additional info on retinal detachments. The Dr. did not wish to spend much time with me in explanations so I appreciate any further details anyone can provide. Of most interest to me: If my retina does detach what should be my immediate course of action? If conventional surgery is need to repair the detachment what is the procedure like and what kind of vision can I expect afterwards. Do the symptoms (fairly frequent flashes) imply that detachment maybe near at hand or is this not necessarily cause for alarm. Many thanks Bill -- Bill Wilder, Computer Systems Manager Kentville Research Station Agriculture Canada Kentville, Nova Scotia
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Sorry to clog up the news group with this message. Wayne Rigby, I have the info you requested, but for some reason I can not mail it to you. Please contact me! Send email address. j -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "No Real Programmer can function without caffeine" - Zen + Art of Internet _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ John S. Muller _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ muller@diego.llnl.gov _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ muller@sisal.llnl.gov _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ jmuller@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ "You are not drunk until you have to grab the grass, to keep the grass from falling off the earth" - Some Stupid Comedian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: >Messier is a joke this year - bad back not withstanding. His play is >the reason the Rangers will be on the golf course in a couple of weeks. >Gartner is my choice - the guy works his butt off every game. > >Kovalev - no surprise. He's played adequately but as bad defensively Kovalev is too talented a player to play for Roger Nielson...Roger needs players who can't think for themselves and can only skate in straight lines up and down the ice. Dudley and Nielson are the only two coaches bad enough in the league to take talents like Mogilny and Kovalev and not know how to turn them into Bure and Selanne. >as was predicted in preseason. Perhaps he'll pull an Alex Mogilny in >a couple of years and surprise us then. Zubov wasn't expected to make >it out of the minors this season and owing to the number of injuries, >has proved to be a very pleasant surprise. > Get Muckler as coach, and Kovalev will look like Mogilny. The trouble with the Rangers is that Neil Smith went out and got players like Messier, Kovalev, and Graves who have been schooled in taking the game to their opponent and attacking, while hiring coaches who are interested in "rope-a-dope" strategies. If you want the Roger Nielsons of the world to be your coach you don't go out and get a Mark Messier, who is an old dog who can't learn new tricks from a known loser, and you don't waste your draft picks on players like Kovalev. Gerald Gerald
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rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes: ]it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists ]unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers' ]needs. nowhere did I see you mention K bikes, which, being made by BMW, are welcome on my list. in fact, you go out of your way to say: "most all boxer talk is welcome" your list appears to cater to boxers. that's great. my list caters to BMW's, *without any restrictions* like you have. considering that the subscription count went to 29 within 18 hours of my initial post about the list (which was made around 10:00pm just before I went to bed), I'd say that there is a need for a *BMW* list as opposed to just a GS boxer list. my motivation for setting up the BMW list came from an earlier post of yours announcing your boxer list. it didn't fit my needs. ok, we've pissed on each other's list. let's get back to the regular net.noise and read our respective lists. -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org BMW Mailing List bmw@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org
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In article <19930427.060713.357@almaden.ibm.com>, jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM writes: |> From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM |> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 09:00:18 EDT |> Subject: Re: solvent for duct-tape adhesive |> you are removing the goo, use pure grain alcohol :-). If the alcohol does |> not work try carbon tetrachloride. If neither of these work you may need to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ DO NOT HEAT THE CCL4 -- IT MAKES PHOSGENE GAS of WW-I poison gas fame (remember when they used carbon tet in fire extinguishers?) (yes, I know I was yelling) -- ...Wex
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In article <C5r4IA.A21@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes: > > Woa, little brain trust. Brian, this who thing is not about someone >thinking they are THE SECOND COMMING. Its about **YOUR** civil rights. Would >you want the FEDS to come marching into your home with a warrant that probably >wouldn't stand up in court, arrest you and your family after attempting to kill >you and haul you off to jail without due process? This is what has happened >in Texas. With the Davidians all dead, no one will know the truth - only >what the White House wants you to think. Government does not exist for you! >Government exists for itself and will do what ever it needs to preserve >itself. Probably not. But then, I don't pack heavy weaponry with intent to use it. You don't really think he should have been allowed to keep that stuff do you? If so, tell me where you live so I can be sure to steer well clear. The public also has rights, and they should be placed above those of the individual. Go ahead, call me a commie, but you'd be singing a different tune if I exercised my right to rape your daughter. He broke the law, he was a threat to society, they did there job - simple. > Support your First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth >Amendment rights, lest they be taken away from you just as the FBI did >to the Davidians. Think about it. I'll support them all (except no. 2) >Peter Vasilion, kb2nmv ><<STD DISCLAIMERS>> -Tim ______________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Timothy J. Brent | A man will come to know true happiness, | | BRENT@bank.ecn.purdue.edu | only when he accepts that he is but a | |=========$$$$==================| small part of an infinite universe. | | PURDUE UNIVERSITY | -Spinoza | | MATERIALS SCIENCE ENGINEERING | [paraphrased] | |_______________________________|______________________________________________| ________________________________________________________________________________
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In article <1993Apr23.063737.26286@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >In article <lte43kINN7ul@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) writes: >I don't think trading Kisio was intrinsically a mistake; however, trading him >for a 3rd round pick would be; he should have been worth a lot more than a >3rd round pick for a playoff team. In fact, I would intimate that the offers >the Sharks got this year for Kisio were way greater than just a 3rd round pick. Hindsight's 20-20. Nobody expected Kisio to have his 2nd best career year. >>Besides, without Kisio, the Sharks would have tanked even earlier in >>the season, and Gund might have gotten a little more serious >>about getting Joe Murphy, a guy who definitely would be around >>3 - 5 years from now when the Sharks do make the playoffs. > >What else could be done? The Gunds offered $2 million for Murphy, but the >Oilers wanted prospect(s), which the Sharks declined to give, which I think is >correct. I didn't mean to imply that Gund's offer wasn't enough. Gund's offer was the right $, but too late in the season. $2M offered in November lets Sather buy a replacement for Murphy *this* season and make the playoffs *this* year. $2M in March doesn't help Sather with his immediate objectives, doesn't help with long term objectives (only a prospect or draft pick does, and no way should the Sharks do that). However, getting back to what-if games, had Kisio been traded to Chicago last year, then the Sharks go 0 for October, and maybe Gund panicks sooner in November. And here's another what-if twist: Chicago would have had Kisio this season; they *never* go after Murphy in the first place because Kelly is having his *best* season (bigger guys in Chicago). So Gund has no competition. So Ferriera, Sather, and Keenan all look like geniuses. A broken fax machine, and Ferriera, Keenan, and maybe Kingston (and maybe even Green) lose their jobs. Kind of makes you shiver doesn't it. :-) Bottomline, for every black scenario any of you can concoct for Kisio leaving, I can concoct an equally bright one. >>If the Kisio-fiasco was the cause of Ferierra's down fall, I hope >>it wasn't because he tried to trade Kisio, but because he screwed it >>up. Nonetheless, I'm sorry Ferierra and Kingston are gone, and I wish Gund >>would follow. > >And what have the Gunds done exactly that caused you to wish that they were >gone? ... Are you serious? - Let Ferierra go, - fire Kingston (these last two basically mean that Sharks are starting over again in terms of the timetable to capture the Cup. As I've stated frequently: 5 out 6 expansion teams had the same GM from inception through Cup season) - broadcast more home games than away games - broadcast very few road Pacific and Mountain time games - jack up my ticket prices from $27 to $38 in two years (not that I'm going to pay 120 bucks for 3 seats. I'll probably next to the virtual 107 folks) - not tell me my priority # - not let me sell my priority # - in order for me to get the free jacket, force me to order my tickets for next season before I get to select my section - not let me park at the new arena after paying for their privileged parking lot (which was sometimes full when I got there) for 2 straight years. I've been a loyal ticket holder, since day 1 (literally) in spring of '90 when the team was announced. and I'm not getting that loyalty returned. Wirtz treats his fans far better by comparison. And Pocklington with his cheap tix is the best owner of all. >GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! I know one isn't suppose to make negative comments on signatures, but what did us Oiler fans do to you to deserve the "Stay in Edmonton" part? I'd never wish the Kings to leave metro-LA; it's too much fun watching the Shark's beat them. -- Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in rec.sport.hockey
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This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. I have one that works right now, but its very slow. Could anyone point me to one, pref in ASM that is fairly well documented and flexible? Thanx, //Lucas.
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In article <May.11.02.39.05.1993.28328@athos.rutgers.edu> carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson) writes: > In article <May.7.01.08.16.1993.14381@athos.rutgers.edu>, > Anyone who thinks being gay and Christianity are not compatible should > check out Dignity, Integrity, More Light Presbyterian churches, Affirmation, > MCC churches, etc. Meet some gay Christians, find out who they are, pray > with them, discuss scripture with them, and only *then* form your opinion. > -- I would absolutly love to have the time and energy to do so. The problem is to be totally fair I would have to go throught this type of search on every issue I belive in. I don't have the time, resources, or ability to do what you ask. Maybe you should pray that God gives me the opportunity instead of simply discrediting me because I have not been able to talk to every gay christian. In Christ's Love, Bryan
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In article <C5r5B8.D1u@ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary 'Man From' Villanueva Huckabay) writes: > >It's certainly not very easy. What I do is use frame advance on the tape, >and simply count the frames. Five times, and try to throw out any outliers. >It's not perfect, but it's better than a blow to the head with a large >metal object. Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance other than scrutinizing "Sorority Babes in Heat". Congrats! >I wish I had FILMS instead of tapes, preferably at 48fps rather than 24, >but while I'm at it, I'd like to have ten million dollars, and be able >to eat anything I want and never gain any weight, either. Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you converted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the difference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3/2 pulldown for a laserdisc company or something). >Gary's list of the ten slowest bats in baseball: Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically has to pivot the bat around along with his body. >Gary's list of "How the HELL can he hit like that?" > >1. Julio Franco >2. Phil Plantier >9. Darren Daulton Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at the plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level plane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could hit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes contact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he caught not ready for a pitch. I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to practice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-) How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front foot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but I keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot out of his hips. >Gary's list of "I'd give Dave Kirsch's kidneys to have a swing like that." Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but .. I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean Palmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing. >That's all for now. I'm looking at Derrick May's tapes tonight, along >with Troy Neel's. That guy is a serious ox. A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball. IMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling off the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers/sliders low and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left and left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to the right side of the infield in the next month. -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! "Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.." - Stephen Lawrence
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Often times (most recently on this list in the last few days) I've heard the passage from revelation: "...whoever adds to the sacred words of this book...whoever removes words from this book..." used as an arguement against the deutercanonical books. I feel this is ridiculous for two reasons: 1. They weren't added later by the Catholic Church; they were *always* part of what was considered inspired scripture. (This has been dealt with in previous postings...no reason to repeat the info.) 2. It is more likely than not that when St. John (or whomever) wrote the book of Revelation WHAT WAS THEN CONSIDERED SCRIPTURE was ** NOT ** the same thing you and I are holding in our hands! If one takes the translation of "this book" in REV 18:22 (or somewhere around there) to mean "all of scripture", then all of us are likely holding something that is in violation of this command. It is impossible to exactly date the scriptures, even the N.T. ones (they didn't like to date their letters, I guess). I really wish I had my bible with me right now to get the facts straight, but I believe that several of the N.T. letters, chief among them 2 Peter, have their most likely date of composition in the early second century A.D. Revelation was almost certainly written durin the reign of Domition (sp?), A.D. 80-96. Thus it could be argues that we are all in sin if we accept 2 Peter as scripture, since it was "added" to the book after the composition of Revelation, when we are told to add nothing more. If you want to get the exact dates, get a copy of the New American Bible. I'll try to follow this up tomorrow if I remember. - Mike Walker mdw3310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Univ. of Illinois)
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In article <1r5acf$nh1@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes: >Keep in mind that owning any car in Korea is a luxury that only the ruling >class can afford. Every government agency worth its salt finds some reason >to levy a tax on car ownership; last I heard, there were seven different >fees to pay to own a car. We used to have a tax in Greece named after the Queen's Mother. The Queen left (Monarchy was abolished) but the tax stuck... Similar single purpose taxes have stuck (i.e. to help the victims of the earthquake of 19XX, build the Metro) ObMoralConclusion: next time someone proposes a car tax or gasoline tax promising it's temporary, it AIN'T. Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 "I post, therefore I ARMM"
7rec.autos
ALL, Finally cleaned out the storage room and have the following items for sale: C-64 Computer 2-1542 Disk Drives 1351 Mouse all cables lots of software (mostly games) The computer and drives work (hooked it to the TV to test) except for sound-evidently the sound chip is gone. When GEOS was loaded, the mouse would not respond, so assume it is bad. Could be used for the games, or for spare parts. If interested, would accept any reasonable offers. Send replies to ihlpl!rsbrd or call (708) 979-8816. Ron Byrd
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In article <20APR93.15151474@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes: >I agree with Nick. What's the big deal about long games? If you want >to watch baseball, there's that much more baseball to watch. And yes, >baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves. I don't really mind the length of games either. If they want to speed the games up in sensible ways, that's fine with me too. However, what I object to is the assertion by baseball people (Whitey Herzog, Buck Rodgers are who I've heard say this) that games are too long because hitters are taking too many pitches, and that the strike zone needs to be expanded. -- John Franjione Department of Chemical Engineering University of Colorado, Boulder franjion@spot.colorado.edu
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Sounds liek what the FED has to do is sign a 50 or more year lease to use certain parts of a space station that is built and designed and such by a commerical company or consortium of companies (such as like Alyeska) for a small amount of rent in return for certain incentives and such.. Such as tax and other right off and also a monopoly on certain products.. The commerical builders would have certain perks given to them to make there end easier (taxes , contracts, regulatory concesions and such..) Is it workable, just might work.. After all, if China can lease out Hong Kong and the people of Hong Kong can make money, this could work.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
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aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: >In a previous article, finnegan@nrlssc.navy.mil () says: >>In article <Apr22.202724.24131@engr.washington.edu> >>eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >>> >>>the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines.. :-) >>> >>> >>>eliot >> >>Wouldn't that make them an I4? Or would they >>really be an _4 (henceforth referred to as >>"underscore 4")? >i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration. >(could be wrong....this is how i've seen them referred to) >DREW Then what is a "Flat-" engine??? -- Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu *******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
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In article <C5uCHu.FFn@cbnews.cb.att.com> lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a >gun "buy back". They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in. >They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of >some sort. They are looking for more funds to keep operating. Another >media-event brought to you by HCI. > >Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ? For example, pay $100 >to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ? Sounds a bit >tacky, but hey, whatever works. >-- >Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com Here are a few ideas: 1) a free library card so they can look up the FBI Uniform Crime Report which shows how good HCI is at lying through their teeth, 2) a free RTD Transit Pass which will allow anti-gunners to tour South Central Los Angeles and convince people living there that they don't need guns to protect themselves because the police will do it for them (don't lose the pass, you'll need it to get out), 3) a free bus ride to Vermont, which has almost no gun control and, curiously enough, almost no crime either, 4) a free calculator, since anti-gunners have heretofore been unable to figure out what a small percentage of the guns owned in America are used to commit violent crime. -------------------------------------------------------------- Lee Gaucher NRA | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's. --------------------------------------------------------------
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>greg mccolm suggested that math is a good example of the inertia >(silver age) of current science..... > >is math really a science? what new has math "told" us recently? >please dont flame me... ive taken no math since 11th grade... >completed BC calc early and go the hell out... is there really >NEW stuff going on?? (im not flaming, but honestly durious...) Nope. We're just living off the inheritance from our forefathers, reading dusty old books, and exchanging baroque incantations among a small circle of devotees.
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In article <1993Apr22.215913.23501@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: > ... remove the shared memory segment... > Terrible, but it works. Why is that terrible ? That's exactly the way our code has been doing it for two years now and is the way that temporary files in UNIX systems are managed most of the time (open, unlink). Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Distributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager Software Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology Digital Equipment Corporation neidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com
5comp.windows.x
I have and use xrecplay for X11R5. Does one exist for X11R4??? I have tried to contact one of the developers, Eric Swildens, at ess@hal.com but he is no longer there and has no forwarding email address. Archie is no help either. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --- Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc. NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950 NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698 Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
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In article <wcscps.735321331@cunews>, wcscps@superior.carleton.ca (Mike Richardson) writes: [Lots of good points re Mormons in the US] The founding fathers of the US were hardly great on religious freedoms. At least one history I have read formed the opinion that they left for the US not to practice religious freedom but to practice religious intolerance. I don't think that my lot were particularly mainstream in those days either. Mind you like the Budhists I somehow doubt the Quakers would ever form a militant religious fanatic movement. |> Or laws to stop companies from making look-alike Ford/GM car parts, and |>selling them as the real thing? The first people that got raided were antique |>companies who made 'real GM' parts for 1930's cars. Wooa there!!! I have a classic car. If I buy a body pannel for $300 after being told that it is genuine BL and discover that it is a non original copy value $50 I get real pissed. If I can get the genuine article I will pay a lot for it because not only will it cost much less to fit (probably meaning that its cheaper overall) but it also means that the car is worth a hell of a lot more. Even on a twenty year old car there is a big difference in a baddly restored car where much of the work needs to be redone and a concours classic. I got mine for 600 quid because it was in a shitty state from bad repairs. If it had been well repaired it would be worth a hell of a lot more. Are you really saying that Ford and GM are having companies beat up for infringing copyright on parts they don't make? I find that very hard to beleive. In the UK they are very sympathetic - Ford recently dug out the Cortina Mk I body press so that some company could make a few more. BL does amazing stuff, they kept the entire assembly line for the MGs and helped set up a company to remanufacture new bodyshells. There is a hell of a difference between remanufacturing and passing off. The former I can't see anyone trying to stop. Most car cos see classic vehicles as a damn good ad for them. The latter though is fraud. If a part is described to me as real GM and money taken under that assurance when they know it ain't GM that's fraud. |> It's the people who blindy believe that the government does the best in |>everything for them who are _really_ dangerous. It really is odd. I post saying that the US govt does appauling things under Regan, Bush etc. in foreign policy. The right get really pissed. Then when I point out that nobody seems to have posted a better suggestion as to how to solve the WACO affair they come with the govt paranoia bit. It's like they reserve their ability to criticise the govt for when they feel their interests are threatened but don't give a cuss about anyone else. You should revers that attitude. When your interests are threatened its way too late. You have to challenge the govt when it is attacking someone else's interests. That does not mean however that you can start calling the govt the equivalent of the NAZI party on the basis of an unfortunate outcome in a hostage situation. Phill Hallam-Baker
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frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > In article <930420.100544.6n0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew > <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: > #This is complete nonsense. Relativism means saying that there is no absolut > #standard of morality; it does NOT mean saying that all standards of morality > #are equally good. > > Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others? > How so? How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference? Which goes faster, a bullet or a snail? How come you can answer that when Einstein proved that there isn't an objective frame of reference? > And what weasel word do you use to describe that frame of reference, if > it isn't an objective reality for values? I'm sorry, I can't parse "an objective reality for values". Could you try again? mathew
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In article <1993Apr13.143712.15338@cadkey.com>, eric@cadkey.com (Eric Holtman) writes: >In article <Apr13.011855.69422@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >> >>I'm not a lawyer, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doing that could be >>considered obstruction of justice, which could land you in prison for >>quite a while. >> >>The thing that's great about the secret key is it is IDEA encrypted, so >>even if the FBI do get the key, they're SOL unless they know the magic >>word. If they try to force you to give them your pass phrase, just say >>"Oops, I forgot." Since the burden of proof is still on the prosecution >>in this country, if you keep your mouth shut, how can they prove that you >>didn't forget your pass phrase. >> > >Well, I'm no lawyer, but I'll supply some ancedotal evidence which may >change your mind. ** Note ** I do not agree AT ALL with what went on in >this case, and neither will most of you. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT >THAT IT *DID* HAPPEN. Right here in America even..... > >About three or four years ago, there was a rather nasty custody case in >or around Washington D.C. The upshot was, an ex-husband was suing for >visitation rights, which were granted. The woman believed that the man >had been sexually molesting her children. (much like Allen/Farrow, but >not as famous). Anyhows, she spirits away the kids and refuses to tell the >court where they are, and denies him visitation rights. > >She "keeps her mouth shut", and what happens? She SITS IN JAIL for almost >a year, on CONTEMPT OF COURT, until the legislature passes a special law >limiting the time a person can be held. If they hadn't passed the law, she'd >most likely still be there. The kids were in New Zealand, I belive. > >Now (story finished, commetary starting).... IMHO, the only reason the >legislature moved was because there was an outpouring of public sympathy >for this woman... most people believed she was right, and were outraged. >Not likely to happen for Joe Random Drug Dealer, Child Molester or perfectly >innocent privacy lover, who might have something >to hide. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you get to walk out >of court humming a happy tune because the FBI can't read your disk. Just >ask those held for contempt, those who can't make bail, etc, etc. > >Again.... I disagree totally with the concept of holding someone based >on suspicion, but people who keep thinking that it won't happen are bound >to get a rude shock when it does...... >-- Also not a lawyer, etc. but if I remember correctly the Contempt of Court business is used in order to compel cooperation with what is (perhaps questionably, different issue) the legitimate business of that court. Quite literally the party is found guilty of holding the court "in contempt". Now, the original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if certain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no question of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no longer there to be produced. Obstruction of justice would be a different issue but if the suspect in question would have some legitmate reason to protect his data from prying eyes (however extenuated) I think that this charge would be a hard nut to make. Perhaps it is time for a lawyer to step in and clear this all up? -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- Vincent A. Kub, WD0DBX | "Saints should always be judged | guilty until they are proven vkub@charlie.usd.edu | innocent." -Geo. Orwell | 14 W.Cherry St. #2 | "It is good to die before one has Vermillion, S.Dakota 57069 | done anything deserving of death." phone or fax to (605) 624-8680 | - Anaxandirdes | King of Sparta ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQBNAiudo1MAAAECAKRkUUWW+Tqsoa1nD+GaSbpXcDhSrHpMEBPjKlyiKuIjzaT6 auO/hnqW/652YicVaJlXspb5D2giMc09TG2sGY0ABRG0CVZpbmNlIEt1Yg== =IuUb -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
11sci.crypt
In article <dbasson.11.0@mattek.csir.co.za> dbasson@mattek.csir.co.za (Dominique Basson ) writes: > >Dos 5 never used the area $E000 - $EFFF, as well as some others. If you have >any cards that use this are (such as a LAN card), you might get this >problem. > >Use the X=$E000-$EFFF in your EMM386.EXE line in config.sys. If you run >MemMaker then instruct it retain inclusions and exclusions. Speaking of that..... My comp has "emmexclude=$e000-$efff" or something of that nature in the system.ini file. Or some system file for *windows*. I was just wondering if having that line in a *windows* startup file is better, as it will give some more memory on dos apps., but disable it when you run windows? (Actually, I *do* think that that line is also in the system.1 file) peace, Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | "well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong.."(gd)
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| Do you think a $200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government | with 100 armed men in trailers, orchestrated character assassination, noise | torture, and a holocaust? Shit, i'm going to be a lot more carefull filling by income tax! jim shirreffs
16talk.politics.guns
In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: > Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART > of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and > review the HISTORY. If a 'dog's prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky. Did you know that the word 'Karabag' itself is a 'Turkish' name? Before 1827, before the Russians and their 'zavalli kole' Armenians, drove all the Turks/Muslims out, it was a Turkish majority town. Well, anyway, it is not surprising that Armenians also collaborated with the Nazis. "Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."[1] [1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,' Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438. As a dear friend put it, the Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial Patriots) was the youth organization of the Dashnaktzoutun. It was based in Boston (where ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle is located) but had followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally Tzeghagron means 'to make a religion of one's race.' The architect of the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian who became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II. In 1933, he had been invited to the United States by the Central Committee of the Dashnaktzoutun to inspire and organize the American-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local Armenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20 chapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters and became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization. Nezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy: "The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity. Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first."[1] [1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), "The Armenian Displaced Persons," in 'Armenian Affairs,' Winter, 1949-50, p. 19, footnote. Now wait, there is more. THE GRUESOME extent of February's killings of Azeris by Armenians in the town of Hojali is at last emerging in Azerbaijan - about 600 men, women and children dead in the worst outrage of the four-year war over Nagorny Karabakh. The figure is drawn from Azeri investigators, Hojali officials and casualty lists published in the Baku press. Diplomats and aid workers say the death toll is in line with their own estimates. The 25 February attack on Hojali by Armenian forces was one of the last moves in their four-year campaign to take full control of Nagorny Karabakh, the subject of a new round of negotiations in Rome on Monday. The bloodshed was something between a fighting retreat and a massacre, but investigators say that most of the dead were civilians. The awful number of people killed was first suppressed by the fearful former Communist government in Baku. Later it was blurred by Armenian denials and grief-stricken Azerbaijan's wild and contradictory allegations of up to 2,000 dead. The State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov, the cheif investigator of a 15-man team looking into what Azerbaijan calls the "Hojali Disaster", said his figure of 600 people dead was a minimum on preliminary findings. A similar estimate was given by Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali. An even higher one was printed in the Baku newspaper Ordu in May - 479 dead people named and more than 200 bodies reported unidentified. This figure of nearly 700 dead is quoted as official by Leila Yunusova, the new spokeswoman of the Azeri Ministry of Defence. FranCois Zen Ruffinen, head of delegation of the International Red Cross in Baku, said the Muslim imam of the nearby city of Agdam had reported a figure of 580 bodies received at his mosque from Hojali, most of them civilians. "We did not count the bodies. But the figure seems reasonable. It is no fantasy," Mr Zen Ruffinen said. "We have some idea since we gave the body bags and products to wash the dead." Mr Rasulov endeavours to give an unemotional estimate of the number of dead in the massacre. "Don't get worked up. It will take several months to get a final figure," the 43-year-old lawyer said at his small office. Mr Rasulov knows about these things. It took him two years to reach a firm conclusion that 131 people were killed and 714 wounded when Soviet troops and tanks crushed a nationalist uprising in Baku in January 1990. Those nationalists, the Popular Front, finally came to power three weeks ago and are applying pressure to find out exactly what happened when Hojali, an Azeri town which lies about 70 miles from the border with Armenia, fell to the Armenians. Officially, 184 people have so far been certified as dead, being the number of people that could be medically examined by the republic's forensic department. "This is just a small percentage of the dead," said Rafiq Youssifov, the republic's chief forensic scientist. "They were the only bodies brought to us. Remember the chaos and the fact that we are Muslims and have to wash and bury our dead within 24 hours." Of these 184 people, 51 were women, and 13 were children under 14 years old. Gunshots killed 151 people, shrapnel killed 20 and axes or blunt instruments killed 10. Exposure in the highland snows killed the last three. Thirty-three people showed signs of deliberate mutilation, including ears, noses, breasts or penises cut off and eyes gouged out, according to Professor Youssifov's report. Those 184 bodies examined were less than a third of those believed to have been killed, Mr Rasulov said. Files from Mr Rasulov's investigative commission are still disorganised - lists of 44 Azeri militiamen are dead here, six policemen there, and in handwriting of a mosque attendant, the names of 111 corpses brought to be washed in just one day. The most heartbreaking account from 850 witnesses interviewed so far comes from Towfiq Manafov, an Azeri investigator who took a helicopter flight over the escape route from Hojali on 27 February. "There were too many bodies of dead and wounded on the ground to count properly: 470-500 in Hojali, 650-700 people by the stream and the road and 85-100 visible around Nakhchivanik village," Mr Manafov wrote in a statement countersigned by the helicopter pilot. "People waved up to us for help. We saw three dead children and one two-year-old alive by one dead woman. The live one was pulling at her arm for the mother to get up. We tried to land but Armenians started a barrage against our helicopter and we had to return." There has been no consolidation of the lists and figures in circulation because of the political upheavals of the last few months and the fact that nobody knows exactly who was in Hojali at the time - many inhabitants were displaced from other villages taken over by Armenian forces. THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
17talk.politics.mideast
In <615@ftms.UUCP> brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) writes: >In article <C75z4A.8r7@curia.ucc.ie> pflynn@curia.ucc.ie (Peter Flynn) writes: ><Due it seems to Sun's crapulous organisation of the X libraries and includes, ><most standard (GNU and other) software won't compile out of the box (well, tar ><file). >< ><Right now I'm trying to make ghostview. It complains it can't find X11/XaW/... ><so I just linked (ln -s) the files from /usr/openwin/share/include/X11 and ><now the ghoddam thing _still_ complains it can't find them. >< ><I still haven't been able to compile xdvi, not no way. >< ><Has anyone _ever_ managed to get _anything_ normal to compile on a Sun ><(SunOS 4.1.3 and OpenWindows 3)? What's the trick I'm missing? I've even ><tried hard copying all the relevant files into the "right" places and ><every time, there's some bit missing or it refuses to find it. >Sounds like you didn't load the support for those libraries when OW3.0 was >loaded. The Xaw support was missing from OW2.0 but added in 3.0. >-- >harvard\ > ucbvax!uwvax!astroatc!ftms!brown or uu2.psi.com!ftms!brown >rutgers/ >INTERNET: brown@wi.extrel.com or ftms!brown%astroatc.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu Or the library might be there but not pointed to by LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Michael
5comp.windows.x
In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com >(ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: > >>You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in >>place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no >>leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). > >Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot. > >all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip >home. Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one. I imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it. Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc. -- Boycott USL/Novell for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit. | Drew Eckhardt Condemn Colorado for Amendment Two. | drew@cs.Colorado.EDU Use Linux, the fast, flexible, and free 386 unix |
7rec.autos
In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ... >>Level 5? Out of how many? ... > >... Also keep in mind that it was >*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather >through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the >Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and >did the whole process by hand... I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He also noted that the software people were starting to feel management pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.) Among other things, the software people worked very hard to get things right for the major pre-flight simulations, and considered a failure during those simulations to be nearly as bad as an in-flight failure. As a result, the number of major-simulation failures could be counted on one hand, and the number of in-flight failures was zero. As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software. Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care. (None of the experimenters could afford it.) -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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Here's a summary of Don Cherry's Coach's Corner from April 21, 1993. The game being broadcast in my region was LA and Calgary, although I think it was filmed during the Toronto-Detroit game that night. (Warning... Anti-fighting people may want to skip this post.) Topics ------ Don's Tie, Grant Fuhr, Penalties, Wings vs Leafs, Fighting, Dale Hunter. Episode Summary --------------- This episode began with the camera zoomed in on Don's tie. Don was pointing out the characters on the tie... Bugs Bunny, Foghorn Leghorn, and Yosemite Sam (who Don called Lanny Macdonald.) Ron Maclean began by mentioning that Don was almost evicted from a hotel where he was watching the previous night's games, because of all the yelling and cheering he was doing over the play of Hunter and Fuhr. Don began to praise Fuhr, calling him the "greatest goalie", and said that he's winning the series against Boston all by himself. He then showed clips from earlier episodes (Nov. 14, Jan. 16) when Fuhr was still with the Leafs, and Don advised "Don't Trade Fuhr!" Don went on to predict that if Buffalo gets by Boston, it would be Fuhr who wins the series. Muckler took a lot of heat for the trade, but Don feels Muckler's been vindicated. The next topic involved how playoff games are being ruined by too many penalty calls. He showed a clip from a Winnipeg-Vancouver game, where Domi hit a Vancouver player, and was given a 2 min. penalty. Ron said that it was called a penalty because his stick was involved, but Don stuck with the opinion that it was a good hit, with Domi hitting the Vancouver player with his shoulder. Don: "Its sad what they're doing for hockey... a 5 minute penalty for a nosebleed." Next, they went to the playoff series between Detroit and Toronto. People in Detroit were calling Wendel Clarke "Wendy" for not fighting. However, Don pointed out that Probert was not fighting either. This lead Don into a tirad about fighting and stickwork, and how banning fighting leads to more high sticking: "It's like college hockey... The little wee guy with the visor is brave as anybody. That's why you're seeing so much stickwork. Because they know you won't drop your gloves and give them a shot. The rules are made by people who don't know what's going on in hockey". The final topic Don discussed was Dale Hunter. Don pointed out that he was leading the league in goals, and showed a clip of Hunter from a previous game. When he was younger, Hunter was taught to "play to win", which differs from today's idea of just letting kids have fun. At then end of the episode, they showed a clip from a coach's corner, with the tape on fast forward, so that Don sounded like one of the chipmunks. Rating ------ Typical anti-fighting posturing, not too much humour, but some good quotes. I'd give it a 7.0 out of 10. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ \ |Allan Sullivan (allan@cs.ualberta.ca) \ \ |Department of Computing Science, \ \_______ |University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. \ ### \ _ |--------------------------------------------------- \___###___\ (_) |My opinions are mine and mine alone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit..." - U. of A. Golden Bears Hockey Motto (C. Drake) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi! I have a 2 meg simm which will fit a Powerbook for sale. It was removed from my PB100 when I upgraded. I will be willing to sell it for $70 and I will pay for the shipping. Please e-mail me if you are interested. ************************ Reply to Donald Lyles * Internet: dcl@his.com * ************************
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >I am not really familiar enough with handguns. That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to do. (He also confuses "things he can see" with "things that exist"; Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside.) A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's what the user wants. With Glocks, one says "I want the gun to go off" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, it has a "real" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. -andy --
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Hello, I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other. Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy... 1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. 2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death is unfair. I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad enough. Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these statements as metaphorical. Alan Terlep "...and the scorpion says, 'it's Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'" atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu Rushing in where angels fear to tread. --Jody
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I have just finished building X11R5 on a 386 running Interactive Unix (SysVR3) and I am having a problem with xterm. On any font larger that 5x7 it messes up characters that are types, the cursor seems to be "too" large, or splits into a 1/2 reverse video, 1/2 outline block (which changes when the pointer is moved into the window). I am trying to use monospaced fonts (not -p- fonts). Is there any way of changing the appearence of the block cursor is an Xterm? Thanks -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- John F Skoda | Windows NT, OS/2 for the 90's. -- electronic learning facilitators, inc. | C++, Cobol for the 21st century. -- Bethesda, MD | Use Ada, Unix, and other socially -- dsc3jfs@imc10.med.navy.mil | unacceptable systems. -- dsc3jfs@imc30.med.navy.mil | (and before you flame, I'm an -------------------------------------------| Expos fan... ...need I say more?) with DISCLAIMER_PACKAGE;
5comp.windows.x
In article <1993Apr26.172903.12436@starbase.trincoll.edu> () writes: > In article <C5yCou.M5B@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, random@cbnewse.cb.att.com > (David L. Pope) wrote: > > > > From article <1993Apr23.153005.8237@starbase.trincoll.edu>, by (): > > > > > > > > I've yet to meet a group of Baptists who were stockpiling Cambell's soup > > > and M-16's/AR-15's and banging/marrying thirteen yuear (sic) olds. > > > > So out of the numerous baptists that you hang around with you haven't > > seen any of the above behavior? Which trait (stocking food for more > > than a week, or owning a firearm) is the definition of a cult? What > > proof ( aside from David's aquittal ) leads you to believe that any > > "banging/marrying" of thirteen year olds was going on? Does your > > wife know that you equate 'marriage' with 'banging'? > > (sic) Oh, you're really bright. As if nobody would have understood it was a > typo. That was a reasonable insertion, so folks would know "Random" hadn't made an error reposting your message. No one was flaming you for the typo. > > Several parents with children who either had at one time or currently were > inside the compound made the aforementioned charges. One parent actually > spoke about said charges (in reference to his 13-year old daughter) WITH > Koresh on the phone. I have heard such claims from disgruntled former members. Could be true, who knows. No proof. And what does all this have to do with the BATF and FBI actions? > > You missed my point entirely. > No, you missed his. > > > > > You're a sorry > > > son of a bitch if you can't draw a distinction between these two things. > > > > Since this guy doesn't like the concept of freedom of religion, he's > > going to insult you AND your mom! > > Since you're unable to formulate a cogent response, you make a lame joke. > > > > > > People like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend > > > sociopaths who aren't deserved of it. Get a life and chill on the > > > paranoia. > > > > Sociopath - person with asocial or antisocial beahavior. > > Sociopaths - 200 persons, all who can't stand other people, sharing > > the same ranch-house. > > Anti-social. Normally meaning a response against societal norms. Stealing > is sociopathic behavior. It's not an oxymoron to have a GROUP of > SOCIOPATHS. I guess you're NOT a psychologist. Oh well... > > > > > > joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu > > ^^^---It all suddenly becomes clear. > > Maybe YOU should get an education, my man. > > > > > Why does everyone discover the Net in the spring? > > Why won't some assholes use a sig so I can send them mail instead of > wasting bandwidth? > This from someone who does not have a return address in his header: ---- Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns From: () Subject: Re: CLINTON JOINS LIST OF GENOCIDAL SOCIALIST LEADERS Followup-To: talk.politics.guns Sender: usenet@starbase.trincoll.edu (SACM Usenet News) Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT. Lines: 65 ---- Whereas David Pope (random) did, so a reasonable newsreader could simply hit reply to his comments, but not to yours. Get an education in Internet use, "my man". > > > > Random > > > > joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
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Does anyone know exactly how Digital Eclipse does their upgrades? Someone was suggesting to me that some chips may not be able to perform at 33MHz. Is this true, and if so, how does DESI deal with that? -David **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
In article <1993Apr15.215912.1807@martha.utcc.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >In article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>>his so called stimulus package. >>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>>immunizations for poor kids. >>> >>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. >> >> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health >> care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give >> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services >> delivered to their doorsteps. > > I've read about more than a few of these programs that ran into >problems in convincing parents to get their children immunized even >when they were delivered to their doorstep. (I don't know, maybe >that sheet they have to be informed of about possible risks, side- >effects, and bad reactions scares them.) The immunization program is just a "useful first step". Among other things, the money will go to pay for creating and maintaning a a computerized "innoculation" database on all U.S. children. (code-named Big Mother... Just kidding, the name will be Children Defense Database, or something like that.) Once the money is spent and little or no tangible results achieved, the goverment will have to start knocking down doors, in some neigborhoods, and bribe parents in others (probably the ones that are paying kids for attending the school - what a fantastic idea!) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group >PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day >your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't >love me anymore." - "Weird Al" -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In article <1993Apr5.122613.12289@alijku05.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>, Norbert Mueller <K360171@alijku11.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> writes: >> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware > In article <prudhom.733762331@iros1> Serge Prud'homme, > prudhom@IRO.UMontreal.CA writes: >> Any info on the video processor Am29000 that sit on it, any way to > program that >> chip? What companie makes that chip? > > > Apple was never able to provide any docs or tools to program that chip. I > value it as > the least value per $ piece of computer hardware I ever bought due to the > COMPLETE > LACK support tools. There was a refund for US-buyers of this card but we > Europeans > were left out in the rain once again... I agree completely, but there was only a refund for people who bought the GC with a Quadra. I have seen an alpha version of an extension from Apple called 8.24 GC QuickTime Video which offloads QuickTime compression/decompression from the cpu to the AM29000 on the card. So it seems it can be done even though in a developer article it states that the GC can't be programmed - but they asked that any suggestions be sent in anyway... Steve Margelis Melbourne University
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In article <15446@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.093826.5227@nwnexus.WA.COM> > elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes: >> Geez, where have you been, Ryan? I proposed this theory *months* >> ago. Let's take it one step further, even. If, as the surveys show, >> up to 33% of all men have *had* a homosexual encounter, then there must >Cite a survey, other than the obviously bogus Kinsey studies. Granted. Pomeroy, Bell, Weinberg, 1967. "National Institute of Mental Health Paper 12353, ''Patterns of Adjusment in Deviant Populations.''" Cited as part of the National Institute of Mental Health Task Force on Homosexuality. Pomery concluded, "The Kinsey statistic of 37% is probably higher than is realistic. According to these estimates, 33% is a more realistic figure." (I went out and bought LOTS of Bell & Weinberg this weekend... can you tell?) Also, The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior (Samuel S. Janus, Ph.D. and Cynthia L. Janus, M.D., John Wiley & Sons (pub), 1992) has the following: Table 3.14 Have you ever had a homosexual experience? Men. Women. N= 1,335 1,384 Yes 22% 17% No 78% 83% Table 3.15 How often have you had homosexual contact? Men Women N= 294 235 a. Once 5% 6% b. Occasionally 56% 67% c. Frequently 13% 6% d. Ongoing 26% 21% Active (c. + d.) 39% 37% 39% of 22% is 9%. This number is consistent with Kinsey, Pomery, Gebard (1953), Bell & Weinberg (1967, 1974), and Rice (1987) in the finding that 9% of the male population is actively homosexual, with an further breakdown (Bell & Wienberg, 1978) of 4% exclusively so and 5% self-identifying themselves as "bisexuals." (pp 69, 70) As for debunking Kinsey, the following article is an important lesson for everyone to read: Was Kinsey a Fake and a Pervert? by Philip Nobile Far out on the grassy knoll of sexology, there is a cult of prochastity researchers who claim that the late Alfred Kinsey was a secret sex criminal, a Hoosier Dr. Mengele, who bent his numbers toward the bisexual and the bizarre in a grand conspiracy to queer the nation and usher in an era of free sex with kids. But what really riles these critics is Kinsey's towerin~ cultural influence. His bestselling surveys-- Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953)-- tore the sheets off the country's erogenous zones and undermined midcentury morals. His charts and graphs, based on detailed histories of 12,000 men and women, demonstrated that practices generally considered rare and/or 'abnormal'-- masturbation, extramarital relations, homosexuality, and even barnyard bestiality, were as American as strawberry shortcake. Yet for a hard core of these heterosexual supremacists, aided and abetted by Pat Buchanan and the religious right, the zoology professor from Indiana University remains the evil genius behind the sex revolution and a target for character assassination. Judith Reisman, the prosecution's expert witness at the Mapplethorpe trial in Cincinnati, is the leader of the anti- Kinsey revisionists as well as his Inspector Javert. In 1983, during a radio interview with Pat Buchanan in Washington, Reisman accused Kinsey of having been inolved in "the vicious genital torture of hundreds of children." She speculated that he kidnapped and drugged ghetto boys in order to carry out clandestine orgasm tests. Now, seven years later, Reisman has revived her charges in a different book, titled Kinsey, Sex and Fraud, just released by the small and religiously oriented Huntington House in Lafayette, Louisiana. Her coauthor is Ed Eichel, a Manhattan psychotherapist who has invented a new style of intromission ("the coital alignment technique") that supposedly triggers simultaneous orgasm with considerable regularity and thereby increases compatibilty between the sexes. In the book Eichel contends that "Kinsey deliberately cooked the gay stats because, being an oddball himself, he wanted to advance the 'denormalization' of heterosexuality." If the authors are right, then the world- famous Kinsey Reports are, as the introduction boldly asserts, "the most egregious example of scientific deception in this century." And if they are wrong, Kinsey, Sex and Fraud is a shameful smear. Despite the less- than- stellar credentials of Kinsey's detractors, legends are not what they used to be. Martin Luther King may have committed plagiarism. Bruno Bettelheim slapped young mental patients around. Father Bruce Ritter, the founder of Covenant House, preyed on runaway boys. Closer to Kinsey, Masters and Johnson have been disgraced for faking it in one way or another. So it should not surprise anybody that Kinsey, who filmed strange people having sex in his attic, may have had skeletons in the closet. The problem is that Reisman does not seem to have the intellectual prowess to pull off the job. As a thinker, the woman is no Madame Curie. The 55-year-old former songwriter for Captain Kangaroo has little professional standing, no current university position, and no peer-review publications, though her creative 1983 resume was padded with phantom accomplishments. For instance, it listed a book as her own-- Take Back the Night: Women on Pornography-- that was actually written and edited by others. Then there is her Ph.D. in Speech Communication from Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University. Although Reisman has no bachelor's degree, Case granted her a master's in 1976 and a doctorate in 1979. Her dissertation was on the commentaries of a local octagenarian TV commentator. But on the resume, Reisman gave this piece of scholarship a fancy Hautes Etudes moniker-- to wit: "The Application of Aristotelian and Systems Analytic Theory to Mass Media Effects." When Reisman burst into prominence on Buchanan's program, it was love at first sight for Al Regnery, the outwardly anti- porn head of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention in Ed Meese's Justice Department. Regnery was a young law-and-order conservative and amateur social philosopher who wanted to help change the sexual climate of the United States. After Reisman's sensational radio session, the sexual equivalent of Joe McCarthy's Wheeling speech, Regnery summoned her to meetings to discuss mutual interests. First he tried to shovel her $800,000 for a quasi-Frankenstein study that was going to measure the brain chemicals of men and boys who looked at arousing photographs. Guffaws on Capitol Hill killed the original proposal, but $734,000 in govemment money went to Reisman anyway for plan B- a probe of child images in the cartoons Playboy, Penthouse, and Hust ler. (Incredibly, this grant surpassed the entire budget of the attorney general's pornography commission.) When the overpriced and oversold project was completed in 1986, it was immediately shelved by an embarrassed Justice Department. That spring, Regnery resigned from his post only days before the New Republic carried this admission that he had kept porno magazines around the house. Notwithstanding the six-figure humiliation, Reisman went on to scratch out a niche on the ioony right. As the darling of the sex cranks, she deplores subversive phenomena like shaved genitalia in men's magazines and blames AIDS on gays. Kinsey, Sex and Fraud is Reisman's latest grasp for respectability. Pat Buchanan, of course, is putting his Krugerrands on Reisman's ultimate vindication. "This book is social dynamite," he says in a blurb an the front cover. He especially liked the antigay parts. Smacking his lips in his syndicated column, he declared, "It may just blow the sewer cap off Kinsey's monumental reputation, reestablish homosexuality as a 1-in-50 aberration, expose the Gay Rights movement as a paper tiger, and even put at risk the enormous sex industry built upon Dr. Kinsey's 'research.'" The blockbuster charge at the heart of the cluttered and repetilive j'Accuse is that Kinsey was a sex-mad pedophile who molested little boys in Nazi-type experiments and recorded their orgasms in his male volume/ A similar charge was first recited at the Fifth World Conference on Sexology in Jerusalem in 1981 to no effect before being recycled by Reisman for Buchanan in Washington in 1983. Here is how Reisman and Eichel repackaged the Mengele business in Kinsey, Sex and Fraud: Mengele-like 'scientific' experiments on infants and children were the basis for Kinsey's conclusions... on childhood sexuality. Somewhere and sometime in the course of the project, Kinsey appears to have directed experimental sex research on several hundred children aged from two months to almost 15 years. This, of course, would implicate Kinsey and his team in promoting, and perhaps participating in, the criminal activity. In the opinion of this book's authors, that is exactly how part of Kinsey's child sexuality research took place. Donning his psychohistorian's cap and citing an FBI manual on child molesters as a guide, Eichel casually diagnoses Kinsey as a homosexual pedophile with the perfect motive for doing exactly as Reisman said: [Kinsey] placed himself in professional and nonprofessional positions where he had access to young boys, such as Y.M.C.A. camp counselor, boys' club leader, and Boy Scout leader-- activities he kept up 'during his college and graduate yeaers, and even after his marriage." As crude as his analysis seems, Eichel was more than happy to elaborate even further in a recent phone interview. "If you've ever been around boy- lovers, pedophiles, they are absolutely compulsive," he averred. "Everything in his life is directed at getting children. I didn't mention this in our book but the caption under Kinsey's high school picture was a quote from Hamlet: 'Man delights me not, no, [sic] nor woman neither.' What do you think they were picking up on?" Before weighing what Reisman and Eichel pass off as proof of Kinsey's sex crimes, something must be said about Kinsey's scientific modus operandi. He was a fiendish collector. As a young zoologist with a D.Sc. from Harvard, he collected 4 million gall wasps and 1.5 million related insects. When he switched to sex exploration after agreeing to teach a marriage Course at Indiana University in 1938, he was no less curious or acquisitive. Nothing that mammals did in the realm of reproduction was foreign to him. He compiled masses of erotic materials including toilet wall inscriptions from male and female johns that highlighted differences in sexual psychology and flms of mating in 14 species of animals that showed an amazing similarity in oral eroticism. Naturally, the sexual response of children, the genesis of eros, fascinated him. It was impossible to understand the sexual behaviors of adults without examining their origins. And so with the fervor of his bughunting days, Kinsey collected information about kids, though even his worst enemies-- until Reisman and Eichel-- refrained from linking him personally to his data on preadolescent sex. Kinsey said plainly in the male volume that he got information on the sex life of young boys from people who had sex with them: "Some of these adults are technically trained persons who have kept diaries or other records which have been put at our disposal." Although he gathered much boyhood data from the memories of his subjects and the observations of parents and nursery school teachers, he treated the documentary materia! of the pedophiles as pure gold. There was nothing like it in the literature. Kinsey's main source, a 63-year-old govemment worker, was also the most unforgettable character he had ever met. This man, whose history took 17 hours to log, had sex with over 600 boys and 200 girls as well as 17 of 33 family members including his father and grandmother. A sexual hobbyist and passionate record-keeper, he gave Kinsey detailed accounts of orgasms that he observed in preadolescent boys. Relying on the man's meticulous research, which involved following some boys for as long as 16 years, Kinsey was able to identify for the first time six distinct types of male orgasm-- some of which involved violent contortions at the peak of release-- as well as the speed and the capacity of climax. What Freud had only imagined about childhood sexuality, Kinsey had reported as fact. Children were indeed erotic beings from the cradle. "These data on the sexual activities of younger male provide an important substantiation of the Freudian view of sexuality as a component that is present in the human animal from earliest infancy," he concluded without raising eyebrows in 1948. Then along came Judith Reisman. Ignorng the legitimacy of Kinsey's inquiry, she beheld the ghost of Mengele in Bloomington. She was appalled by the thought of infant ecstasy and read torture in the portrayals of prepubertal orgasm rendered by the government worker. And she dared to say that Kinsey was a sex criminal. Well, was he or wasn't he? Let's go to the text. There is no evidence in Kinsey, Sex and Fraud-- no witnesses, no paper, noteven a trace of hearsay-- that implicates Kinsey in either planning or partaking in child sex experiments. After 12 years on the trail, Reisman has uncovered just two sources to back up her original charge- - amazingly enough, Kinsey himself and Wardell Pomeroy, Kinsey's coauthor on both reports, to whom Reisman has never spoken. It turns out that her whole case rests on a few passages in the male volume iand in Pomeroy's 1972 biography titled Dr. Kinsey and the Institute for Sex Research. After frisking every "the" and "and" in both books, Reisman came up with what she believes are "smoking" sentences. To establish Kinsey's alleged role in the planning, she says that "there is a hint" in the fifth chapter of the male volume that Kinsey "directed" the orgasm studies on kids. She cites his tell-tale quote from a critic of armchair psychoanalysis demanding that "writers...test their theories...by empirical study and statistical procedures." Then she combines this quote with Kinsey's statement that some of the observations of his pedophile sources "were continued over periods of months or years until the individuals were old enough to make it certain that true orgasm was involved." Putting two and two together-- Kinsey's empiricism and lengthy experimentation-- she arrives at her hint. But realizing this dog would not hunt, she devoted but a single paragraph to Kinsey's supposed planning before shifting to the issue of his personal involvement. As for the alleged participation, after poring over Pomeroy's biography, Reisman found several hidden clues suggesting Kinsey's likely hands-on approach to kiddie sex. Here the chain of reasoning is more complex. She points out that Kinsey was interested in clitoral measurements, collecting sperm and filming sex in his attic. Since Kinsey did indeed mislead Indiana University about the purpose of his cinematography-- he said that he was filming "animal sex"-- Reisman asserts that a "similar misrepresentation may yet apply to Kinsey's child sex experiments." Catch the "may"! Reisman was also struck by Kinsey's doubting Thomas attitude toward the never before recorded climax of female rabbits: "Kinsey, according to Pomeroy, was the type of person who needed to see things for himself. Pomeroy gave the example of orgasm in the female rabbit. Because he had not personally witnessed this event, Kinsey had difficulty in accepting its reality, even on the strength of testimony from a distinguished scientist. How then did Kinsey testify to the actuality of orgasm in a 5-month-old infant from the mere 'history' of a sex offender?" (But, of course, he did not: he depended on their records.) From this fantastic alchemy of conjecture mixed with clitorides, sperm, attic cumshots, and climax-in-cottontail has Reisman defamed the legendary Kinsey. Paul Gebhard succeeded Kinsey as the director of the Kinsey Institute and now lives in retirement outside Bloomington. Reached by telephone, Gebhard defended the pedophile connection and denied Reisman's nasty imputations. "I don't understand the resistance of people like Reisman to studying the sexuality of children," Gebhard said more in exasperation than anger. "That is where sex begins. We were happy to take data wherever we found it. Even though pedophiles commit criminal acts, they are usually not violent folks. They wouldn't be very successful if they were. One of our best sources was a headmaster of a boys' school who maintained a kind of alumni club and sometimes went to the weddings of his former students. As for directing experiments, that's absurd. We never told any of our subjects what to do. lt was against our principles. Almost all of the pedophile material was retrospective anyway. Nor did we ever conduct sex experiments with children ourselves. That would have been highly inappropriate." I asked Gebhard if Kinsey had ever seen a child in a sexual situation. "I think a mother once brought in a little girl who humped her teddy bear and Kinsey watched it." As for Kinsey's sex life, it is still shrouded in confidentiality. He was married to the same woman for 35 years and fathered four children. Apparently, there are no huge sexual revelations, although rumors of homosexuality have persisted without confirmation through the years. Gebhard took his boss's history back in the '40s, but he refuses to discuss what he knows. "We never divulge anything about anybody's history, whether dead or alive," he says. Reisman said no to an interview for this article on the grounds that I had once worked for Penthouse-- not to mention the fact that we have been debating each other in various forums for the past five years. In keeping with our contentious history, she took a swipe at me in her book for continuing "the Kinsey practice of euphemizing incest." My offense was using the biblical variant "lying with a near relative" in a 1977 article on the subject of incest. As a synonym for intercourse, "lying with" appears eight times in Genesis. Ed Eichel is a different story. Though seemingly obsessed by Kinsey like his coauthor, he was friendly in long conversations. He told me that he began to smell a big baised agenda in sexology when he was a student in New York University's Human Sexuality program in the early '80s. "It was literally a gay studies program for heterosexuals," he says. Around 1985, Eichel came upon Reisman's critique of Kinsey and the conspiracy theory started to sink in: the sex establishment was ruled by a Kinseyan bisexual bund advocating the overthrow of the heterosexual norm. No wonder he was having such a rough time promoting the joy of simultaneous orgasm-- anything that enhanced sexual compatibility between men and women inevitably raised objections. Eventually, Eichel exchanged philosophical fluids with Reisman, and from this union Kinsey, Sex and Fraud was born. Eichel's main contribution to the book is discovery and analysis of a Kinsey conspiracy that supposedly seeks "the establishment of bisexuality as the balanced sexual orientation for normal, uninhibited people" which, by destroying the traditional family structure and normal sexual behavior, "would open the way for the second and more difficult step-- the ultimate goal of cross-generational sex (sex with children)." When I pressed him for specific references to back up his outrageous contentions, he said weakly, "You don't think Kinsey is going to come right out and say that everybody is basically bisexual and should have sex with kids, but this is implicit in the Kinsey reports." Meanwhile, Eichel is demanding a congressional investigation of Kinsey and his data. Perfect. That's just what the country needs-- a House Un-American Sexual Activities Committee, looking under beds and asking people if they are now or have everbeen a reader, a sympathizer or-- God forbid-- a subject of Dr. Alfred Kinsey. Elf !!! -- elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) "The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little pratice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog!" - Bill Watterson's Calvin.
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Has an X version of whois been written out there? If so, where can I ftp it from? Thanks. -- Jesse W. Asher (901)762-6000 Varco-Pruden Buildings 6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN 38119 Internet: jessea@vpbuild.vp.com UUCP: vpbuild!jessea
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In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu>, (Steve Tomassi) writes... > Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? >I mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, >as is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell >Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in >Eddie Murray and Jeff Reardon. Oh, yeah. Dave Winfield--marginal player. Guy didn't hit a lick, had negligible power, was a crap fielder and had no staying power. Dave Winfield, now entering his (I believe) 20th big league season, is still a damn decent hitter. Admittedly, his defense has slipped a great deal, but in his prime, he had a powerful arm and great range. Take a look at the stats: I don't know where you even BEGIN to make an argument that Winfield and Kingman are similar players. Kingman was a one-dimension power hitter--he couldn't field, he ran like an anvil, hit for a low average (though, if I remember right, his OBP wasn't THAT hideous...), and (for those who consider such things important) was a absolute-primo-dick. Eddie Murray? Yup, only the best 1st baseman of the 80's. I know that MVP votes are conducted by mediots, but given that he got jobbed out of the MVP he deserved in 1983, it seems that he wasn't overrated by the media. Lee Smith? Hmmmm... This one's actually pretty close. He's had a s solid, dependable career as a closer despite pitching in some nasty parks (Wrigley, Fenway...). I'd have to take a closer look at the stats (it's been a while), but it seems Lee Arthur is of HOF caliber. You do make a legitimate point about the HOF credentials of relievers, simply racking up a lot of saves doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot if you blow a bunch, too. Simply because Minnesota and Boston and (for a month) Atlanta used Reardon as a closer for longer than he should have been one, the Equalizer has racked up an impressive number of saves. No way should HomerMan be in the HOF, IMHO. Darrell Evans? Nice career, actually a bit underrated (kinda like Ted Simmons, IMHO), but not a HOF'er. > Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody >giving Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, >marginal. Lemme ask you this. Who the hell playing the game ISN'T marginal? >Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both >shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. >Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors so >liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if something Now, wait a goddamn minute here. Ozzie Smith absolutely REDEFINED the position of shortstop. His defense was SO good that he's won something along the lines of 10 Gold Gloves. Again, Gold Gloves are mediot-biased, and a good argument could be made that Larkin deserved one or two of Ozzie's more recent awards, but usually, this is tempered by someone else in the early 80's getting the Gold Gloves Ozzie deserved earlier in his career. Ozzie's offense, you ask? Good OBP, great speed numbers, in a park which, for most of his career, depressed offense, admittedly, no power ('cept against Tom Niedenfuer :-|), but still, a definite asset offensively. Yount? 3,000 hits, MVP at two different positions, uh-huh, a real stiff. His '82 was one of the great years EVER by a player in recent memory, and probably ranks behind only the peak seasons of Wagner and Banks, as far as SS numbers go. He's a clear HOF'er, IMHO. >isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When >certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential >candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to >the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? Well, as far as Garvey goes, you're right. Garvey is a "mediot" candidate, pushed because of his "winning attitude" (a minor factor, if one at all), and his "great defense" (no errors, admittedly, but the range of a tree stump...). Garvey shouldn't be in the HOF. SkyJack? I've said a lot of nasty things about SkyJack in the last year or so, but this is mostly in response to mediots and woofers who talk about Morris' "ability to win" which is nothing more than Morris' "ability to pitch when Toronto to score tons of runs". At this point, Morris is an average pitcher (although from his early returns in '93, he may be damned close to done.). But, in all fairness, Morris was a dominant pitcher in the 80's for up-and-down Tiger teams. While 1984 was (obviously) a great year for Detroit, the rest of the decade, the team was generally in contention, but not favorites. Morris' career numbers are quite good, and worthy of HOF "consideration". Ryan? Of course, but be careful. I guarantee you that someone will throw back your earlier logic about "Yount and Smith being shortstops who hung around a long time". After all, Nolan never won a Cy... Damn, he's just pitcher who hung around for 99 years... His W-L record is mediocre... (Of course, Nolan's a HOF'er...) Puck? Probably, although he's got to play reasonably well for a few more years (10 years, even good ones, aren't enough to make the HOF, most likely). That said, I believe Puckett WILL make the HOF, pretty much regardless of how the rest of his career turns out (barring something REALLY tragic or sudden). He's very popular in the media and with fans, and legitimately has been one of the best CF's in the game since he joined the league. I've always liked the guy, and I hope he does make it. And, in the end, I think the Puck will make it in. But, really, it's too early to sell. This debate comes up rather frequently on the net, and, believe it or not, I never tire of it. It's an interesting subject. Here's an off the top of my head list of potential HOF'ers from each team. I probably left a couple of guys off, so feel free to follow up. I won't consider ANYONE who started playing after about 1985 (again, too early to tell.) [Note: these are all active players, I'm not counting recent retirees] Baltimore: Cal Ripken (should be a lock by now, even if Gehrig's record stands) Boston: Roger Clemens (might be a lock already, which is amazing), Dawson (?) Detroit: Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker (possibilities) Milwaukee: Robin Yount (discussed earlier) New York: Wade Boggs (possibly), Mattingly (long shot) Toronto: Paul Molitor and Jack Morris (possibilities) Kansas City: George Brett (lock) Minnesota: Kirby (too early to tell), Winfield (lock) Oakland: Eckersley (lock), McGwire (too early), Rickey (lock), Welch (LONG shot) Texas: The Mighty Nolan [Too early to consider Canseco or Strange :-)] Cubs: Sandberg (lock) St. Louis: Ozzie (lock), Lee Smith (probably) New York: Murray (almost a lock), Saberhagen (obviously, he's got to regain past form) [And most certainly, NOT Vince Coleman, despite what he'll tell you :-)] Los Angeles: Butler, Strawberry, and Hershiser are all long shots. San Diego: Tony Gwynn (pretty good shot) Colorado: Dale Murphy (a good shot), Ryan Bowen (just to see if you're awake) [Before I get flames: this is an off-the-top-of-the-head list, there's probably a few deserving candidates that I left off, and, I didn't include Barry Bonds, Will Clark, Any Atlanta Starting Pitcher, Frank Thomas, Canseco, McGriff, etc. because I only considered guys who started playing before 1985)] E-mail or post, I almost fear what I may have started here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce Hasch hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Sell the team, Eli!! "If a hitter is a good fastball hitter, does that mean I should throw him a bad fastball?"-- Larry Andersen
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I have sold the receiver. The Equilizer is still for sale -Technics SA-450 integrated Quartz synthesizer Digital Receiver -SOLD!!!!! -Audio Control C-101 graphic equilizer -This is an awesome Eq., but I am broke. -10 bands/channel, octave EQ -subsonic filter -rumble reducer -tape monitor -amazing real time spectrum analyzer with calibrtated microphone and pink noise generator, calibrated and uncalibrated range adjustment, display is calibrated in dB and can display the average energy per band, or the average for the full speactrum(great for checking how loud your system is) -The display action has two speed settings to adjust how quickly the display responds to transients This is one of the best equilizers around. It is very quiet, and the display Is fascinating to watch. It sells for $400-$450 in stores, so I will sell it for -$315 obo send all responses to halle@rpi.edu , or call (518)276-7382 eve.
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In article <C5Jzsz.Jzo@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes: >ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: > >>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? >[From Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org>, posted with permission - Carl] >No, but they could compell you to produce the key to a safe where, as it >happens, evidence that will convict you is stored. > >The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law >suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn >over the key. > >The test for compelled self-incrimination is whether the material to >be disclosed *in itself* tends to inculpate the discloser. In the example >I gave above, the safe key itself has no testimonial value--ergo, it can >be disclosed under compulsion (e.g., subpoena duces tecum). >Moreover, the government can always immunize the disclosure of a crypto >key--compelling you to disclose the key at the price of not using the fact >of your disclosure as evidence in the case against you. Of course, they >can use whatever they discover as a result of this disclosure against >you. >--Mike Lets carry this one step further. Suppose the text of the key is in itself conclusive evidence of the SAME CRIME for which the encrypted material is further evidence. I find myself envisaging a scenario like this: You have made some scans of Peanuts strips. You encrypt them. The key is a phrase. The Comic Police haul you in. They seize your system. They find the encrypted file. CP: "Whats that file?" You: "I take the fifth." CP: "What's the keyphrase to that file?" You: "I take the fifth." Judge: "You have to reveal the keyphrase" [I disagree, but I'm not a judge.] You: "Your Honor, revealing the keyphrase, in it's own right, would tend to incriminate me of breaking laws, independent of what may or may not be in the encrypted file." Judge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key itself" You: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright; the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of copyrighted Peanuts strips."" Judge and CP: "Oh." How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org
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rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes: >Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper. >I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge, >and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket. >Wierd dream, I wonder what it means.... Vell...Let's see...vas you muzzah in der passenger seat? Or vas you muzzah in der leefing room, vit you fazah? M. (Feeling a tad bit Freudian, doubtless inspired by the magnificent phallic-ness (some word) of the Viper)
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idh@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Ian Hawkins) writes: >When constructing active filters, odd values of resistor are often required >(i.e. something like a 3.14 K Ohm resistor).(It seems best to choose common >capacitor values and cope with the strange resistances then demanded). >Is there a PD program out there that will work out how best to make up such >a resistance, given fixed resistors of the standard 12 values per decade?.(1, >1.2,1.5,1.8,2.2,3.3 etc ). It is a common enough problem, yet I cant >recall seing a program that tells that Rx+Ry//Rz gives Rq, starting with >q and finding prefered values x,y and z. I once wrote such a program (in BBC basic...) It was very crude, and took around 5 seconds to do an exhaustive search (with a small amount of intelligence), and told you the best combination >Rq and the best below Rq. If you want to write one, just store the prefered values in an array, and then search the solution space using three nested loops. I'm sure you could knock this up in an hour. Christopher -- ============================================================================== Christopher Hicks | Paradise is a Linear Gaussian World cmh@uk.ac.cam.eng | (also reported to taste hot and sweaty) ==============================================================================
12sci.electronics
Then again, maybe $2445 for the gateway system isn't too cheap. I have a system from Micron computers: 486-2-50, 16 meg ram, 245 Maxtor HD, Local bus IDE / 2 meg video card, and the same 15" monitor. The system with shipping came to $2200. I sold the sx-33 chip that came with it and bought a dx2-50. Total price $2300-2400.
3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Hey guys! I run twm and would like to execute some program before leaving twm. In other words I would like to run some program before I do f.quit. Is it possible to make a menu section which would contain these two parts? Thanks in advance, Serge serge@gluttony.astro.unc.edu
5comp.windows.x
In article <1993Apr27.024858.13271@cs.ucla.edu> steven@surya.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Berson) writes: >ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: > >> Virginia.edu is true to its founding father, Thomas >>Jefferson the author of the bill of rights, in allowing freedom >>of speach. Sorry you guys in israel have a hard time with the >>concept. > >Jefferson was not the author of the Bill of Rights. My history >books aren't here, but Jefferson might have been in the group >that did not think that enumerating rights was necessary. >Cheers, >Steven Berson UCLA Computer Science Department (310) 825-3189 Look out... We have the beginnings of a donnybrook between one of them liberal, artsy-fartsy western schools and an ossified, establishment eastern university. :-) -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717
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In article <Apr22.185314.14420@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: >1) I think that most of us can afford a stamp and an envelope, and the >cost of printing out a letter. > >2) If some kind soul out there would write a letter, and upload it to >the net, everyone could capture it, print it out, and snail-mail it >out to their local congressional critter. > >BTW>> I'm working on one. Dear Senator/Congressman/President {fill in the blank} I am writing you to voice my strong opposition to President Clinton's Clipper Chip initiative. This proposal to establish a secret government designed cryptography chip with government key registration as the standard for voice encryption is very disturbing. The idea that citizens must register their secrets with the government just in case they are trying to keep them secret is patently unAmerican. Additionally, the press release for this program strongly implied that other forms of cryptography would be banned after the Clipper Chip standard is in place. This latest attack on our civil rights is deeply disturbing and is frankly a voting issue for me. The presidents press release stated that the plan strikes a balance between the legitimate needs of law enforcement and a citizens right to privacy but this is not the case. The fact is that since other strong cryptographic equipment is avalible the criminals, drug dealers and terrorists mentioned in the press release will simply use non clipper cryptography. Meanwhile the average citizen may gain no protection against warentless wiretaps by the government since the government escrowed key is derived deterministicly from the unit serial number which is broadcast by the chip durring its opperation. This seems like an obvious back door for the NSA and law enforcement. If you still do nott understand my objection to key registration, consider the way J. Edgar Hoover blackmailed government officials like yourself; would you now use a phone to transmit personal details of your life that the NSA and FBI have the keys to? ______________________________________________________________________________ Well heres a letter, I didnt spell check it since I dont know how in EMACS so you might want to do that. Bill Smythe
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Cause and cures for fever blisters respectfully requested. Thanks! :-D iane * Origin: Another PerManNet Kit (1:109/232)
13sci.med
In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> >|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: |> >|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES |> >|> > |> >|> |> >|> Ermenistan kasiniyor... |> >|> |> >|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets |> >|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy. |> >|> |> >|> Esin. |> > |> > henrik]Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; henrik]ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD henrik] KNOW that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get henrik] away with their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH henrik] invasion of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. Esin Terzioglu] Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. Esin Terzioglu] 1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant posting claims) Esin Terzioglu] 2) The name should be Cyprus (in English) Esin Terzioglu] next time read and learn before you post. Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ? Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ? My response to the "shooting down" of a Turkish airplane over the Armenian air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the person from your Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY for INOCENT people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and othe Russian aircraft. At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again.
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rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: >Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not >run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true >multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 >programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is >primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be >economical for most users. Correction: All Billy is promising is that it will run 'most' Windows 3.1 programs and the 'major' DOS programs. Do not expect everything you have to run under NT unless all you have are current MS apps.
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>>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. >>-- > >Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality >uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all >homosexual and bisexual men. Only the most comprehensive survey on sexuality in 50 years. > It would seem more logical to say that since >the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity >larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it. > Chance and size have nothing in common on the multimillion number scale we are talking about. >Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three >times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. > >So... whose promiscuous? > Nobody said that you were. Chill. >Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because >someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world.... Well said. >Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... > Actually, the Kinsley Report in 1947(or 48?) used a high percentage of prisoners so........... Ryan
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In article <1r3ejr$7tb@meaddata.meaddata.com>, daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer) writes: |> In article <1r20avINNb6q@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes: |> |> In article <1993Apr20.013653.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, dhart@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> Hey...I've noticed that Luis Alicea is starting at 2nd for the Cardinals |> |> |> instead of Geronimo Pena. Is Pena hurt, or was he just benched for poor |> |> |> performance? Anyone know? |> |> |> |> After a quick start, Pena has been stuck in a rut. Torre gave Alicea |> |> the start to try to get Pena out of whatever funk he is in. It has |> |> worked in the past. |> |> |> |> And it has worked again. Pena went 3 for 3 last night against Colorado. |> Without opening this up for a sabermetric flame war, I would like to question the notion that "sitting a rested player down" has any real effect on his long-term performance. Sure, if a man is tired and needs real rest, then taking a break might be a constructive act. Perhaps if a man is mentally "strained", then sitting him down might help to the extent that that helps him relax. But I would like to suggest that in the long run, players do slump, and benching is probably irrelevant. Paul Collacchi
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This probably is in a FAQ somewhere, but.... I'm looking for Microsoft's internal speaker sound driver for Windows. Should be at Microsoft's FTP site, but I can't remember the name of the site... Thanks.
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
ronaldw@sco.COM (Ronald A. Wong) writes: ]In article <C4vr7z.EB0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ]kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) wrote: > > The program PowerStrip2.0, which is freeware, has an option called > "Quick Discharge." You can find it on the Mac archives, probably > sumex-aim.stanford.edu or mac.archive.umich.edu. >>Is it a hidden option? I'm using PowerStrip 2.0 (by Mr. Caputo) right now >>and can't find any quick discharge option. It definitely is on >>mac.archive.umich.edu 'cause I submitted it! My apologies! I goofed. The "quick discharge" option is part of the Connectix PowerBook Utilities package (CPU). I installed it the same day as PowerStrip, and didn't pay enough attention. ;) Anyway, the option does exist for those of you who buy CPU. --------------- "Whadda goofball!" "Sheddap. You're not even the real signature file." --------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS -----------------------------------------------------------------
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
Has anybody ever heard of Hawk EISA/VLB motherboards? NET Computers International (from Computer Shopper) has the 486/33 version w/256k cache for $559. I'm trying to decide between this motherboard and the NICE motherboard. Thanks! PS: The Hawk motherboard has 3 EISA slots, two of which are VLB. The spec sounds identical to the Nice. Tim m-it2691@cs.nyu.edu
3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
As the subject line sez -- I'm looking for a Korg KMS30 sync box as well as a Roland MC-202... cg132sad@icogsci1.ucsd.edu
3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
>OOOOOOOpsssss. For a second there I thought I was in rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog We're NOT???! Hell, I was wondering why there was all the pointless woffle about motorcycles. So how do I find rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog? I dont think our system takes it.
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In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes: |> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that |> the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's |> holding to the security zone. |> |> Noam I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians. Basil
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Mike Schmidt's 500th: Not only a milestone, but also a 9th inning game- winner. -John
9rec.sport.baseball
In article <1r1iv3$cba@cc.tut.fi>, jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) writes: >Recent discussion about XV's problems were held in some newsgroup. >Here is some text users of XV might find interesting. >(I have also minor ideas for 24bit XV, e-mail me for them.) [Deleted for space; basically complaints that xv is an 8 bit program and that making several modifications to the RGB sliders is slow because of screen updates.] In reverse order: 1) Try clicking in the auto-apply box to switch it off. Then make your mods. Then click on apply. There is no problem as stated; it has already been solved if you look carefully. 2) Yes XV is an 8 bit program. This is not a bug. You can edit individual pallette entries or do global colour changes; crop, scale etc. Clearly the program must save out the *altered* image else all your work would be thrown away. So yes it saves out 8 bit images - of course! XV can import 24 bit images and quantises them down to 8 bits. This is a handy facility, not a bug. How would you suggest doing colour editing on a 24 bit file? How would you group 'related' colours to edit them together? Only global changes could be done unless the software were very different and much more complicated. If you want to do colour editing on a 24 bit image, you need much more powerfull software - which is readily available commercially. And lastly, JPEG is a compression algorithm. It can be applied to any image of arbitrary bit depth. Again, this is not a bug. It is a way of saving disk space ;-) Later, -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1comp.graphics
In article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes: >By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550 >engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension >and frame is more modern. the fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think. i don't know about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability. the forks are crappy, they dive like MAD. i had progressive springs installed and it made a huge difference. cheap fix, MUCH improvement. elef
8rec.motorcycles
In article <C651xu.Gwq@news.chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes: > In article <1rh22eINNfce@shelley.u.washington.edu> kniha@carson.u.washington.edu (Dagmar Amtmann) writes: > >There is a wire without any jack at the end sticking out of the wall. So you > >need to connect the wires (I'm not sure if they have wall jacks in Western > >Europe - they may). > > Son of the Return of the "How much does Americans know about the rest of > the word?"-flamewar anyone? We're doing that one in s.c.british at the moment...
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In article <C4x9xA.9Ew@news.udel.edu>, philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: > In article <4fjQpAu00WBLM1z50R@andrew.cmu.edu> Anuj Gupta <ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a >>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped >>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the >>ignoramouses, care to look at this week's Baseball Weekly, they will see >>that I'm not the only one who considers then as division winners - the >>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well. > > And these guys certainly know what they're talking about. Every > bozo from Pittsburgh to Calcutta will just have to sit up and take > notice! This Phils team in an offensive juggernaut which is going > to score a LOT of runs and put up a TON of hits on the scoreboard. > You people out there are going to be sick of seeing PHILLIES > scattered all over every offensive league leaders category in the > newspaper. These guys hit .304 through Spring Training..well before > getting no hit yesterday. But they had a plane to catch 45 minutes > after the game ended, so they're minds weren't in it. Up to this point, I really thought this had been written by a pro-SDCN, anti-mediot poster blessed with a certain talent for sarcasm and biting remarks. Somebody like me, for instance. The lurid overstatements were obviously intended to humiliate the original poster. > Now, on top of the great offense, they have a slightly above average > pitching staff which has a lot of youth and promise. If the > pitchers do their part, and Mitch keeps blown saves to a minimum, > look for another pennant out in left field at the Vet... > > Robert C. Hite > > P.S. Michael Jack Schmidt for COMMISSIONER But then the scales were lifted from my eyes. Looks like Robert is really being serious. Oh, well. I compare the performance of the 1992 Phillies with the 1987 edition, which had outstanding run producers at every position except SS, yet finished at a frustrating sub-.500 level. The 1987 folks didn't ever amount to anything, and neither will the 1992 squad, IMHO. Any other parallels with previous years' teams for this year's editions (in the style of 1993 Braves = 1971 Orioles)? -- Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin "Interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu than mingling between G7 races." -- robohen Things One Wishes to See The moon, flowers, the face of a dear one. Well-performed No. The furnishings of a tea cottage. The real thoughts of one's lover--and her letter. All famous places.
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[This is a co-authored report from two of us who were there.] Gun Owners Action League, our state rifle association, started the day with a rally in the secluded courtyard behind the statehouse at 9:30. It was looking sparse (about 40 people) until the speaker began, whereupon about 120 more people followed the loudspeakers from wherever they had been lost, and filled out the area something proud. Mike Yacino of GOAL spoke. One of his best throwaway lines was to remind us that all of us holders of carry permits there had been checked and certified clear of all crimes by the state; while the people in the Statehouse behind us only had to be certified clean of "election fraud" to hold their jobs. Nancy Snow and Amos Hamburger were busy handing out ID buttons and sheets describing all the bills to be presented at the hearings, and telling people where to find their own representatives (and in too many cases, who they were). Mike warned us that the committee was going to suspend its rules and discuss a bill that hadn't made it onto the official list. It seems a delegation of students from Simon's Rock of Bard College (alma mater of Wayne Lo, who shot up the place with an SKS late last year) was being bussed in to testify for a bill to ban all sales of firearms or ammo to anyone who is not a state resident. The hearings were originally scheduled in the (large) Gardner Auditorium at 10:30, but that had been pre-empted by the Governor's hearings on the Framingham Eight (women in prison for killing abusive husbands, and seeking release). So we had until 1:30 to buttonhole our representatives, after which we would be squashed into an inadequate hearing room. One of my representatives' staffers was somewhat offensively smarmy. He said, "Oh, it must be gun hearings day again! The gun lobby is always so organized every year." I got a little pissed, and replied, "I'm not from the gun lobby -- I'm from your district." At 12:30, your second reporter arrived in time to notice a demonstration going on in front of the statehouse (where the pro-gunners weren't). Randy Price from the TV News was there, in his mirror reflective shades, talking to one of the anti-gun types, and several Simon's Rock anti-gun "close-the-loophole" protestors. (Earlier, Randy had covered the GOAL rally.) The room we had been assigned seated about 50. Remember, there were about 160 gun owners there, plus another 20-30 students and teachers from Bard. One of us had already reserved a seat; the other never got closer than the atrium outside -- and there was a crowd behind HIM. A cop took up station at the entrance and prevented the rest of the crowd from coming in. Soon after the debate started, a loudspeaker was set up outside in the hall for the benefit of everyone else. Everyone who was there (inside and outside) got to sign up on a sheet saying what their position was on which bills. Most of us signed up to "support GOAL's position" on "all bills." First, because of their time constraints, public officials got to testify. And first up was the bill that nobody had seen (the students had some curfew, I guess). Currently, Massachusetts law allows a non-resident to purchase long guns or ammo from a local dealer provided he complies with the laws of his own state. Previously, the law was similar, but applied only to non-residents from states adjoining Massachusetts. The Simon's Rock folks called the current law a "loophole" and wanted it closed. Two of their reps spoke about Wayne Lo and his "SKS assault rifle." The second one, Hodgekiss, a co-sponsor, had done his homework so well that he kept confusing Montana (Wayne Lo's home state) with Missouri, and became belligerent when about five gun owners in the gallery corrected him after his second muff. Carr, from Gloucester, claimed that the new bill would put the law back the way it was, but he was lying: the new bill allows purchases by non-residents of adjoining states ONLY if they have licensing in their own state "as strong as" that in Massachusetts. Since none of them do, that's that. Some of the things these two said were really offensive. "In some of these other states, anyone can buy a gun as long as he's breathing!" (Oooooo!) "We have some very, very good gun laws in Massachusetts; if only the other states would adopt the same type of laws, we wouldn't be having this situation -- but they won't." (Naughty, naughty!) Next up was Boston city councilman Albert "Dapper" O'Neill. He was there to testify pro-gun, but in some ways he was a liability. He's reasonably elderly and tends to wander and repeat himself, plus he's almost a caricature of a law-n-order politician. He badmouthed the ACLU, said violent criminals should be executed, and that if he were judge, he'd give arrestees their "last rights" (pun intended) on the spot (at which many of the gun owners applauded, which bothered me.) He said that all the proposed gun restrictions were a step in the right direction -- for the criminals. He said this FOUR times :-( Two of the bills under consideration would allow police to rescind a CCW or FID, and confiscate all your guns, if someone had filed a restraining order against you. (Note that the filing of a restraining order requires no warrant, no hearing, no evidence, and no conviction -- just an accusation.) Senator Barrett of Reading testified in favor of it, and patronized the pro-gunners there several times by saying, "I'm sure all the gun owners here will agree with me that we have to get these weapons out of the hands of people that our courts have convicted." I haven't seen such a disgustingly disingenuous performance since Nixon whined that he wasn't a crook. Barrett also spoke in favor of the bill making the FID card renewable every five years, instead of permanent as it is now. The stated purpose is to remove FID cards from those who have become ineligible. "Revenue has nothing to do with it." (Yeah, right.) Apparently, some congressmen think we're stupid enough to swallow the argument that it's preferable to process 1.6 million renewals every cycle in the vague hope of catching a recent felon than to simply take the goddamn card away from a criminal at conviction time. As usual, hassle the law-abiding instead of the crook. The two co-chairs of the committee were Rep. Caron and Sen. Jujuga. Jujuga didn't say much (he was a co-sponsor of both "restraining order" bills) but Caron struck me as a sharp guy that wouldn't let any bad logic or lies on the part of either side to go unchallenged. (He was a co-sponsor of one of the "restraining order" bills as well.) One of the younger reps on the committee (forgot his name) was vociferously pro-gun, somewhat embarrassingly so. His heart was in the right place, but his arguments seemed to be confined to, "every year it's the same damn thing, you come in here with this crap..." It's nice to have a friend on the committee, but he could have been more effective. At about 3:00, it was clear that the hall-jam couldn't continue. Someone came out of another meeting hall and yelled at the cop because the loudspeaker was disturbing their meeting, so the loudspeaker was disconnected. So they found a bigger hall upstairs. One of us had to leave to catch his charter bus, and so missed the "public" testimony; the other got a seat this time. Caron began by talking about how he got his FID 16 years ago, left the state, and then returned without notifying them of his address change. He complained that the state record system was not up-to-date and that his PD back in his city of birth still thought he lived there. Great quote: "If you purchase a gun today, it will not get into the state computer system until 1999." (This was also an argument he used against the renewable FID card.) Testimony was heard from several "battered women," one of whom had been attacked by some guy in his 20's who had an FID card because he got it when he was 15 or thereabouts. They used a lot of emotion and said how they were scared of these men. A staffer of Attorney General Harshbarger testified in favor of this anti-gun bill, saying how 50,000 restraining orders were granted last year, and how these women needed to be protected. Caron noted that a restraining order was granted for 10 days, and then a hearing was held to determine whether the order would be extended to a year. He asked whether she would be satisfied if the FID were revoked at the time of this hearing rather than after the initial issuance of the FID. She gave some long rambling circumlocution in response. Then testimony against the bill was heard. Mike Yacino (who looks something like Einstein) got up and made the point that restraining orders were issued on too little evidence, that judges like to issue restraining orders just to let things cool off no matter who they think is right (man or woman), and that the hearings for restraining orders are lightning sessions with little time to consider facts. Atty. Karen McNutt spoke with him a few times during his testimony. Other pro-gunners got up to testify. One said he had had to file a restraining order against a tenant to clear her out, and that she countered by filing one against him! He noted that this would have allowed the state to confiscate his guns if the new bill became law. One of the junior reps noted that "this is America" and we have to be certain that individual rights are respected. Senator Jujuga reiterated this, saying that "people who abuse smaller people can go to Hell as far as I care, but we have to be careful about equating conviction with a restraining order." (Point and match, Senator.) Another pro-gunner got up and testified that he didn't know his citizenship "expired every 5 years," and that a driver's license was a privilege, not a right like the right to keep and bear arms. A third got up and said the problem was with the criminal justice system, and argued in favor of a death penalty bill and public hangings. Senator Jujuga said he had himself tried to get a death penalty bill passed, and joking responded that he, too, favored public hangings. The speaker then responded, "I'll make you a deal. You get me the rope, and I'll tie the noose." Next came public testimony on the Simon's Rock bill. A teacher testified that she had been the teacher of Wayne Lo, and that "he wouldn't have been able to shoot people inside a building while he was outside" without his evil gun. She said that the "loophole" should be closed to prevent something like this from "ever happening again". Four or five other kids testified in favor of this bill, one of spilling tears for the good legislators. One of the students actually shot by Wayne Lo was also there. Many of them had T shirts on, saying, "As long as one person can buy a gun in anger, none of us are safe -- support gun control." The committee was reluctant to grill or correct the kids, except for Caron, who corrected one student who had claimed that anyone could apply for an FID. "Only residents can get FID's," he said. (How much do you want to bet that this kid had no idea he had been conned into testifying for a bill that would cut out-of-staters completely off?) Yacino and McNutt spoke again, this time noting that the bill as written would affect both ammo AND ALL guns possessed by out-of-staters. Karen also noted that hunters in CT, NH, and VT could be put away for a year if they wandered across the MA boundary somewhere in the woods and got challenged by game wardens. Yacino underscored the fact that Lo COULD have gotten an FID as a resident student -- and, hell, even an CCW, as he had NO criminal or mental record. One junior rep was upset that it would take MA residents longer to buy a gun than out-of-staters, and thought it was "elitist". Another (Caron?) said that we need the protection of preventing non-residents from buying without an FID because only two other states in the union had "FID-type" cards, so complying with all the laws of one's home state was "not enough." One pro-gun speaker replied that this resembled a mother watching her son in a marching band and exclaiming, "Everyone's out of step but Johnny!" All the Bard College people were filing out as the pro-gun testimony for this bill was made, and thus only pro-gunners were around when the other bills came under consideration. The main bills remaining (and GOAL's position) were: o H.4375 and four others: Notify police chiefs so they can pull licenses when a holder is convicted (strongly supported) o H.1732: Require trigger locks on all handguns sold (opposed) o H.962: Require trigger locks on all loaded firearms (strongly opposed) o H.1350: Allow every municipality to enact their own gun laws (opposed) o H.1731: Fund bullet-proof vests for municipal police (supported) o S.1097: State Constitutional Amendment for the RKBA (supported) o Several on police discretion in the issuance of FID cards (opposed) o Several altering non-resident license conditions (supported) o H.1135: Ban damn near all guns everywhere in the state (guess!) Some of these took only 30 seconds to consider, as the remaining pro-gunners raised hands in unison either for or against them. Mike Yacino noted that, besides the danger in screwing with a trigger lock on a loaded gun, that bill would make it illegal for a licensee to carry his concealed handgun unless it were locked. Caron blew right through H.1350 when he saw that we opposed it. Again, he brought up the state's archaic records capability and said, "This would create hundreds of different licensing systems." The session ran late -- since it was the last scheduled hearing, it could not be adjourned until everyone who wanted to had testified. It ended at about 6:30. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
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5comp.windows.x
Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote: : I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing : a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock : (described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock : in the Chicago area? : : Any other feedback from someone who has used this? What about the new Yamaha "Cyclelok" ? From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places. It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of a parking sign or similar. Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock at the jointed sections ? tony
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I bought my HP48sx calculator a month ago, used once but put it back in the box. Includes manual and I'm including about 7 high density disks packed with dozens if not hundreds of games and programs. All you need to do is buy the pc cable for around $20 bucks so you could use the software. $255 shipping included or best offer. Thanx.l
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In article <C5nF8t.Gsq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >> A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? >To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, done in C and >ASM. I need a faster way to draw concave polygons that the method I have right >now, which is very slow. What kind of polygons? Shaded? Texturemapped? Hm? More comes into play with fast routines than just "polygons". It would be nice to know exaclty what system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the implementation. You need to give more info if you want to get any answers! :P - Ian Romanick Dancing Fool of Epsilon []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] | Were the contained thoughts 'opinions', EPN.NTSC.quality = Best| | PSU would probably not agree with them. | | | | "Look, I don't know anything about | | douche, but I do know Anti-Freeze | | when I see it!" - The Dead Milkmen | []--------------------------------------------------------------------[]
1comp.graphics
In article <13MAY93.02285380@edison.usask.ca>, f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca writes: > In a previous article, josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) wrote: > > > >Actually, just after the FIRST world war, many Muslims were killed by Serbs. > >Under Serbian-led regime between the two world wars, many Croats were > >also killed (especially during the dictatorship introduced on Jan. 6, 1929). > > > Josip, > > please, don't be offended at this question: Who are the "Muslims" in the > Bosnian context? i know that a moslem/muslim is a believer in Islam. Islam > is a religion and it is practised in many parts of the world. But it is not > , yes definitely not, an ethinic group. ok! so, these Bosnian Muslims, who > are they? to which ethnic group do they belong? what language(s) do they > speak? do they have a different language from that of the Serbs or Croats? > the way the western press use the word 'muslim' in this Bosnian debacle has > kept me wondering when the meaning of muslim/moslem i knew from childhood was > changed in the dictionary. this is just a question. no flames intended! > > oguocha > It is indeed different usage of the word Muslim . In Bosnia , it is more or less used as an ethnic term not as religious one . There are people in Bosnia who refer to themselves as "Christian Bosnian Muslims" if you can make sense of that . Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Muslims have the same language. Bosnian Muslims are mainly beleivers of Islam. I got this from Bosnian Muslim friend of mine who goes to University of Texas in Austin. jama
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In article <930423.103637.3O4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: >> > There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. >> Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: >> Bullshit. >Speaking as someone who also knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: >Go ahead, punk, make my day. My degree can beat up your degree. Simple. Take out some physics books, and start looking for statements which say that there is no objective physics. I doubt you will find any. You might find statements that there is no objective length, or no objective location, but no objective _physics_? (Consider, for instance, that speed-of-light-in- vacuum is invariant. This sounds an awful lot like an objective speed-of-light-in-vacuum.) -- "On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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I know this is probably a FAQ, but... I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of the 3.1 logo. I thought the files that controlled this were \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what the correct files are? Thanks. -- farley@access.digex.com <Charles U. Farley> Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
A posting in another news group I read a while ago said that PC-Xview and PC-Xremote allow you to use Xterm. Call NCD @ 503-641-2200 for more info. Hope it helps, -Hao -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hao Zhang, Dept. of Stat., Wharton School, Univ. of Penn. zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu hzhang@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
In article <1qm069$fm8@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qkndq$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> #In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> #|> In article <kmr4.1571.734847050@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |> #|> # You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define |> #|> #what "objective values" are. |> #|> |> #|> Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people |> #|> of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that |> #|> sound like a good deal? |> # |> #You mean that if you can find a ridiculous price, the rest of |> #us are supposed to conclude that an objectively correct price |> #exists? |> |> I said nothing about the price. I asked if the deal was good. It isn't. So it was a complete non-sequitur, is that it? How does coming up with a derisory deal tell us anything about the existence of "objective" values. You're asking us to accept that the deal you offered would be turned down, and we believe that, not because we appeal to objective values but becasue we know, or think we know, something about people. All the people we know exhibit *subjective* values that would lead them to reject a deal of $1 for all of the land in America. Great. Now, so what? jon.
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> > Where can I get documentation about the X-Server-Internals? > BTW, I'm also interested in documentation about TIGA. > > Any hints welcome. > > Thanks, rainer. > > -- > Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 > ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 > Penzingerstr. 76 | > A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.a > The only book I know of is : "The X Window System Server - X Version 11, Release 5" by Elias Israel / Erik Fortune Digital Press Copyright 1992 Order number EY-L518E-DP DP ISBN 1-55558-096-3 PH ISBN 0-13-972753-1 But if there are any more, please post/email me the names. -- -- bkilgore Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." - Geoffrey James "The Tao of Programming" ------------------------------------------------------ | Disclaimer: Any and *ALL* opinions are mine! | |------------------------------------------------------| | William Bruce Kilgore | | email bkilgore@ws15.ips.iacd.honeywell.com | | phone (602) 436-4837 or (602) 436-4866 | | smail 16404 N Black Canyon HWY, Phoenix Az 85023 | ------------------------------------------------------
5comp.windows.x
I was wondering if anyone knows of a chip that that is similar to the internal timer 0 on the Intel 80C188? I want a timer that has a Maxcount A and B and the output should the same as Intel's timer. I called Intel and they told me that they don't make such a chip. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance. Rajan Ranga E-mail: rajan@cco.caltech.edu
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Paraphrase of initial post: Can I fight a speeding ticket in court? My reply: Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let us know how it goes. ABD
8rec.motorcycles
No, not another false alarm, not a "It'll certainly be done by *next* week" message... No, this is the real thing. I repeat, this is *not* a drill! Batten down the hatches, hide the women, and lock up the cows, XV 3.00 has finally escaped. I was cleaning its cage this morning when it overpowered me, broke down the office door, and fled the lab. It was last seen heading in the general direction of export.lcs.mit.edu at nearly 30k per second... If found, it answers to the name of 'contrib/xv-3.00.tar.Z'. Have a blast. I'm off to the vacation capital of the U.S.: Waco, Texas. --jhb
5comp.windows.x
In article <visser.735260518@convex.convex.com> (alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc), visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes: ] In <bskendigC5qyJ2.GEw@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: ] ] +>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes: ] +>> ] +>>One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just ] +>>wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take? ] ] +>So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ? ] ] They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present and ] the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions. ] The building burns, almost everyone dies. It probably doesn't bother ] you much, but it bothers many other people.....most of whom dont believe ] particularly in Koresh or his message. ] ] Four ATF agents and 90 branch Davidians are now dead because of ] crazy tactics on the part of the ATF and FBI. ] ] Attorney General Vampira tells us that todays events were suppose ] to "save" those in the compound. Blowing holes in a building and ] gassing those inside was supposed to "save" them? My two cents: It is a sad, sad day. I *never* thought I'd be defending religious people (especially extremists), but I *am* mourning the murders of David Koresh and his followers. I believe they deserved the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to worship as they saw fit. Those rights (and the lives of innocent men, women (some pregnant), and children) were sacrificed to save the Federal Government from being embarrassed. Had the Branch Davidians taken their case to court, the black eye the BATF earned themselves would have been multiplied many times over. I also mourn the deaths of the BATF agents although the deceptions carried out against them by our government were nothing compared to the atrocities against the Branch Davidians. Attorney General "Vampira" claims to have made the best decision she could based on the information she was given. This is possible. Officials in higher positions than hers have been duped. We have no choice so we may as well give her another chance. Even if she is truly evil, it is doubtful that she'll kill more than a few hundred at a time. I'm considering joining the NRA. Finally, I have one question: What happened to the Federal agents that had supposedly infiltrated the Branch Davidians' organization (and started this whole debacle)? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Roy Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com America Online: QED Disclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these. The early bird got worms.
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I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts. The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC, 20mA The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650 with it? I don't know the rating of the battery, but it is a factory intalled one. Thanks, Sanjay -- '81 CB650 DoD #1224 I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!
8rec.motorcycles
MADDISON,David wrote: : I am a new reader of sci.crypt I would like to obtain a copy of a : public domain program that can encrypt files, preferably using DES, : that runs under MS-DOS. : I would also like to obtain a program which will password protect : floppy disks, if this is possible. : Thanks. : David Maddison : Melbourne, Australia When you find out a floppy password protect program, could you e-mail me. Thanks Marcus Jones mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk Dept. Materials Technology, Brunel University. PGP v2.2 Public Key on request
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Steven R Hoskins (18669@bach.udel.edu) wrote: : Hi, : I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. : ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and : quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying : to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful : to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other : relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would : like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological : works intended for a lay person? I'd recommend McDowell's "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" books (3 I think) and Manfred Brauch's "Hard Sayings of Paul". He also may have done "Hard Sayings of Jesus". My focus would be for a new Christian to struggle with his faith and be encouraged by the historical evidence, especially one who comes from a background which emphasizes knowable faith. -- Scott Dittman email: sdittman@wlu.edu University Registrar talk: (703)463-8455 fax: (703)463-8024 Washington and Lee University snail mail: Lexington Virginia 24450
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Dear Netters, My friend have brought a S3801 card with 2Mb RAM. Is there any new driver for the card available on ftp cites? What is the newest version? She is very interest in have a driver for 1024x768 with HiColor and 800x600 true color. No such driver come with the card. K.W.Mok -- K.W.Mok E-Mail: h8714031@hkuxa.hku.hk Dept. of Chem., University of Hong Kong.
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
In article <kmr4.1433.734039535@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > In article <1993Apr5.163050.13308@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > >In article <kmr4.1422.733983061@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. > >Ryan) writes: > >> In article <1993Apr5.025924.11361@wam.umd.edu> > >west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > >> > >> >THE ILLIAD IS THE UNDISPUTED WORD OF GOD(tm) *prove me wrong* > >> > >> I dispute it. > >> > >> Ergo: by counter-example: you are proven wrong. > > > > I dispute your counter-example > > > > Ergo: by counter-counter-example: you are wrong and > > I am right so nanny-nanny-boo-boo TBBBBBBBTTTTTTHHHHH > > No. The premis stated that it was undisputed. > Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. Brian West -- THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * -"To the Earth, we have been THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * here but for the blink of an OK, SO IT'S A SIG FILE * eye, if we were gone tomorrow, posted by west@wam.umd.edu * we would not be missed."- who doesn't care who knows it. * (Jurassic Park) ** DICLAIMER: I said this, I meant this, nobody made me do it.**
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We are not at the end of the Space Age, but only at the end of Its beginning. That space exploration is no longer a driver for technical innovation, or a focus of American cultural attention is certainly debatable; however, technical developments in other quarters will always be examined for possible applications in the space area and we can look forward to many innovations that might enhance the capabilities and lower the cost of future space operations. The Dream is Alive and Well. -Jeff Bytof member, technical staff Institute for Remote Exploration
14sci.space
In article <1rsvgr$r13@nym.ossi.com> texx@ossi.com ("Texx") writes: >Oh YEAH ? > >Scene: Navy boot camp > >DI: "Son, you smel awful! Dont you ever clean that thing?" >Recruit: "No Sir !" >DI: "Why the hell NOT!" >Recruit: "Your not sposed to touch down there?" >DI: "Why ?" >Recruit: "Cause thats the eye of god down there, an' your not s'posed to touch it..." > >This did not happen 40 years ago, it happened 2 years ago. > >I think Americans are QUITE hung up about sex and the involved plumbing! Wow that certainly CONVINCED me that all Americans ar hung up about sex. Just one example of something that probably ran in a Hustler mag is enough to convince me. Sarchasm off. ------------------////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\------------------ | Patrick Draper-ZBT We are a nation of laws, not people. | | draper@umcc.umich.edu Flames > /dev/Koresh | | University of Michigan Computer Club | ------------------\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////------------------
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[obnoxious name-calling deleted] Ok, who wants rm off of here? I say we get his net privleges revoked. Any seconds? -- GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups >>as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior. >So, why "must" they have such laws? The quotation marks should enclose "laws," not "must." If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones, etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society into chaos. keith
0alt.atheism
I was looking at the amps diagram for Sony 1090/2090 receivers, and I was amazed to find a difference between the US and Canadian model on the capacitor(s) that hangs off the output to the speakers: ------\/\/\----- to speaker (identical both models from amp ---------------| (idnetical both models) > < 10 > | ----- | | 0.022 --- --- Canadian model only! US model --- --- 0.047 and world-wide | | model only. | --- Candian model only! | --- 0.047 | | ----------- gound The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places. How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps (there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision). Please explain this Michael Golan mg@cs.princeton.edu
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In article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu>, k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes: |> |> What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it |> anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 He's a shortstop by training, but he's been at second (mostly) and third this year for the Expos. -- Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
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In article <1993Apr27.181701.27425@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes: > This machine of idiotism continues to swing. Mr. Argic/Mutlu/&Co >is still functioning - I was surprised to find it out when i finally >looked at this newsgroup. And this is just the beginning. Fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government will not get away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, and 204,000 Azeri people. Your criminal grandparents committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned them, raped women and girls in front of their parents who were bound hand and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers and appropriated personal property and real estate. And today, they put Azeris in the most unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in history. Your fascist grandparents admitted their unspeakable crimes then. Why deny them now? Now the genocide of the truth by the criminal/Nazi Armenians? Not a chance. Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) "Foreword:" "For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction. In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day scattered among its ruins." p. 202 (first and second paragraphs). "We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead." p. 15 (second paragraph). "The Tartars were, for the most part, poor. Some of them lived in villages and cultivated small farms; many of them continued in the way of life of their nomadic forefathers. They drove their flocks and herds from valley to valley, from plain to mountain, and from mountain to plain, following the pasturage as it changed with the seasons. They ranged from the salt desert shores of the Caspian Sea far into the mighty Caucasus Mountains. Even the village Tartars are a primitive people, only semicivilized." "I can see now that we Armenians frankly despised the Tartars, and, while holding a disproportionate share of the wealth of the country, regarded and treated them as inferiors. The fact that the Russians looked down upon all Armenians in much the same way as Armenians regarded Tartars, far from proving a bond between ourselves and our racially different neighbors, intensified an attitude and conduct on our part that served only to exacerbate hostility." p. 20 (second paragraph). "Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror, unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished." p. 109 (second paragraph). "As things were, the members of the Dashnack Party were without administrative experience; consequently the government they instituted quickly proved itself incompetent to rule by legitimate means. The members of the government had been revolutionists working in secret and outside the law. When they became a legally instituted, recognized governing body with the destiny of Armenia in their hands, they proved incompetent to do better than resume the terrorist tactics that had characterized their fight against the Russian and Turkish Governments in their outlaw days. The outstanding feature of their rule, now that they were in power, was, as in the old days, trial and execution without hearing. A man evoking the displeasure of the government or of some official would be tried and condemned without arrest or preference of charges against him. The method of execution was for a government 'mauserist' to walk up behind the condemned man in his home or on the street, place a pistol to the back of his head and blow out his brains. This simple way of getting rid of those who were undesirable in the view of the government and soon became a common way of paying debts." p. 203 (first paragraph). "A soldier succeeded in driving his bayonet through the Tartar. I saw the point of the weapon emerge through his back. ...Another soldier seized a rock and pounded the Tartar's head with it... The Armenian who had bayoneted him sprang to his feet, wrested the weapon from the Tartar's body, and, raising it to his lips, licked it clean of blood, exclaiming in Russian, 'Slodkey! Slodkey!' (Sweet.)" p. 203 (second paragraph). "One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among the ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children. The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils and other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies of the dead." p. 204 (first paragraph). "I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a year old." p. 118. "Slowly the train of oxcarts lumbered along through the snow, the cart jolting and the loads swaying. Boys ran along the line of oxen, encouraging them with shrill Tartar cries, and belaboring the beasts with sticks. In the carts, the women, veiled as is the Tartar way, held children in their arms. Wrapped in blankets and huddled among the goods that burdened the carts they sought protection from the wind and cold. A few old men plodded along on foot. Across the road through the ravine a barrier had been thrown. The leading oxteam reached this barrier and halted. The gunmen and other ruffians concealed among the rocks opened fire. Women and children leaped and scrambled from the carts, screamed, ran and sought vainly for safety. This massacre was not complete. The Armenian soldiers in the near-by barracks, hearing the firing and the turmoil, hurried to the scene.... That same day the abandoned Tartar quarter of Alexandropol was looted and completely destroyed." p. 192. "Great swarms of peasants who had come out of their hiding-places on the retreat of the Turks followed our army as it advanced.... They entered into the city with the army and immediately began plundering the stores that had been left by the Turks." p. 193. "Terrible vengeance was taken upon Tartars, Kurds and Turks. Their villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country." p. 195. "The fanatical Dashnacks hated the Turks above all others and then in order of diminishing intensity: Tartars, Kurds and Russians." p. 218. (First and second paragraphs) "Russian troops did terrible things in the Turkish villages...We Armenians did not spare the Tartars....If persisted in, the slaughtering of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course. I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself." p. 133 (first paragraph) "In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some, mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw." p. 19 (first paragraph) "The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi." p. 22 (second paragraph) "Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers. We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives. ...Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution in Russia was suppressed." p. 97 (third paragraph) "Within a few years, following the beginning of the movement, an invisible government of Armenians by Armenians had been established in Turkish Armenia in armed opposition to the Turkish Government. This secret government had its own courts and laws and an army of assassins called 'Mauserists' (professional killers) to enforce its decrees." p. 98 (first paragraph) "The Dashnacks were in continual open rebellion against the Turkish Government." p. 98 (third paragraph) "...the Dashnacks engineered a general revolt of Armenians in Turkish Armenia under the mistaken belief that European nations would intervene and secure independence for Turkish Armenia." p. 99 (second paragraph) "The Dashnacks were fanatics." p. 99 (third paragraph) "The Dashnacks took advantage of this situation and extended their revolutionary activities into the Russian province. They instituted a campaign of terrorism and employed threats and force in securing contributions to the party funds from rich Armenians. A wealthy man would be assessed a stipulated sum. Refusal to pay brought upon him a sentence of death. Every member of the party was pledged to carry out orders without question. If a man were to be assassinated, lots might be drawn to select an executioner or the job might be assigned to one of the 'mauserists' of the party." p. 130 (first paragraph) "...in moments of victory against Turks and Kurds or Tartars, they [Armenians] have been remorseless in seeking vengeance." p. 130 (third paragraph) "The city was a scene of confusion and terror. During the early days of the war, when the Russian troops invaded Turkey, large numbers of the Turkish population abandoned their homes and fled before the Russian advance." p. 159 (second paragraph) "I made a cannon, a huge gun to lift which required four men. I made balls for it. With my cannon the Armenians could knock down any of the Tartar houses and so they were able to drive the Tartars out." p. 181 (first paragraph) "The Tartar villages were in ruins." p. 189 (third paragraph) "The dead Tartar lay with his head in a pool of mud and blood, his beard still setaceous and now crimsoned." Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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In article <1993Apr23.140123.5018@cti.com> rlister@cti.com (Russell Lister) writes: >ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: > >>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? > >>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! > > I had the same problem. At first, I thought it was the video driver and > made sure I had the most current drivers, because the problem was most > evident at SVGA resolution modes. It didn't help and after a bit of > experimentation, determined that the problem existed in standard VGA > resolution mode. It was just much less noticeable. > > My mouse was an older MS serial version I bought second hand in 1990. It > worked just fine in DOS and DOS based graphic applications. On the > guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse, I borrowed > a new mouse (a MS bus model) and tried it. That solved the problem. > So, if your mouse is old, you may want to try replacing it for a newer > one. > Another alternative is to clean the mouse you've got. Sometimes the rollers inside the mouse pick up a ball of lint or other debris. Open the bottom of the mouse, take out the ball and use some alcohol on a Q-tip to clean it out. Inspect the inside for any hairs or fuzz. I have had my mouse get real jumpy and cleared up the problem with this procedure.
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
I need help getting my ZX-11 (C3) to behave. I've managed to get the front suspension to be very happy, but the rear sucks. I can't do anything with it to make it feel ok. The bike is very stable through the corners (I think because I have the front just right), but when the straights get bumpy the rear is torturous. It feels like it actually amplifies the bumps. And the damping doesn't seem to do anything in real-life, although you can tell the difference when the bike isn't moving. I've tried 4-5 cm of sag (from completeley unloaded), but I don't know which way to go. Has anyone gotten the rear of this bike comfortable? And if so, what kind of settings (esp. what sag) did you use. I like to corner, but I also would like my kidneys to remain intact. This thing makes the new ZX-7 feel comfy.... rbarnes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
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I have for sale a Hayes 2400 Personal Modem (External) for the Macintosh. Really nice small think. Plugs directly into a power plug ands has two long cables, for to the phone and the other to your macintosh. Get back to me if you are interested with an offer. Thanks in advance. khoh@usc.edu
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Help, I've got an applications with a series of pushbuttons across the top (a toolbar). I wanted to add eventhandlers to these pushbuttons on EnterWindowMask and LeaveWindowMask so that I can put up some descriptive text about the function of each pushbutton as the pointer crosses over it. I've done this fine, but I've turned up the following problem: When the pushbuttons are sensitive I get callbacks on both of the above events, but when they are not sensitive I only get callbacks on LeaveWindow events. This seems odd. I would expect this to be an all-or-nothing type of thing. Is this a bug? If not, can someone explain this behavior? thanks, Mark
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